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Thu, 10/01/2020 - 23:30

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women's dating standardsMany men today believe women's standards are too high. The reality is, women's standards have ALWAYS been high… or at least, women have always claimed this.

Again and again of late I've seen this argument that women's dating standards are simply too high.

That women expect too much of men, they want men who are perfect, and their standards are completely unrealistic.

Most recently, a reader commented this on my article about the source of 21st Century Western men's distinct lack of action and motivation, saying:

I dont think men dont have the drive to have sex; its just that womens standards are too high and most men dont make the cut. Most men are trying and failing to get laid, others have given up, and a small percentage is getting almost everything. We have to be realistic and acknowledge that most men are going to be average no matter what. The problem is that women have too many options and society allows them to go for the top men.

This is a common refrain from a lot of men's sites on the web.

women's dating standards“How's any guy supposed to have a shot in this day and age?”

But is it true?

Are you, indeed, condemned to suffer loneliness and deprivation, sucking up the scraps of women who fell off the tables of ALPHA MALES, those rare few men who get all the girls?

Is this simply your lot in life, assuming you're unable or unwilling to join the ranks of those few elite men?

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Jack's picture

Great article. Another thing to note about this is that for the guys who do have like 5-6 girls on rotation - which I have quite a few friends who do- all of whom are either living in a college town or big city (NYC/Miami) , those chicks are casually banging other dudes too. They're not exclusive to them. Not sure if when saying dating you were implying exclusivity. So it's not like these girls are taken.

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Jack-

Yes, typically girls in casual relationships are in casual relationships with multiple men.

This further reduces the general female population's access to these men. Because if a "top 1%" guy (for instance) is sleeping with 5+ girls, and each of those girls is seeing 3+ guys, even fewer women are being scooped off the market.

e.g., Guy A is sleeping with 5 girls. Guy B is sleeping with 5 girls. And Guy C is sleeping with 5 girls. But the girls aren't exclusive. 3 of the girls Guy A is sleeping with are sleeping with Guy B, and the other 2 are sleeping with Guy C. 2 of Guy C's girls are sleeping with Guy B. These three guys aren't taking 15 women off the market... they're taking 8 women off it. And they're still a tiny minority.

It also gets real weird when you drill into it, because the Manopshere guys worried about all the quality girls getting snapped up are imagining wonderful exclusive girlfriend-material-type girls all chasing after the top guys. But most of those girls aren't in rotation/harem situations where they are sharing these guys... even 1% guys. The girls in the rotation/harem situations typically are girls your average Manosphere guy would not exactly consider top tier girlfriend material. Most of the most desirable women are paired up 1:1 with men, not in 80:20 4 girls to 1 guy situations...

Chase

Anonymous's picture

I know that illustration with the "virgin walk" and the chad was just like a meme,but I find it so ironic that I have a lot of the qualities of the virgin walk lol :(
I spent a lot of time modeling my walk after the model walk like you suggested. I think I can do the model walk,but I am not too confident in it and sure of it. I had feedback from one girl who tells me she liked my walk and said I walk like a model lol. Other guys will say I walk like i'm trying to look brolic which idk if that means i'm not walking very well or if most men in general just don't walk in an attractive manner.

There was a mgtow video on youtube that's titled "women's standards" and it shows a clip of a woman on the steve harvey show with like 3 slideshows worth of qualities she wants her man to have or not. Some examples was a man with no 6 pack,no children,no hookups or flings, and needed to pay on the first date,be romantic,5'10 or taller,be very social, be romantic, love desserts, and a whole bunch of other ludicrous shit to expect from one man LOL. But you look at the comments section and you see a bunch of salty upset guys in the comments. Either they just start insulting women in the video/or in general thinking that she's dead serious and that all women are that way while ignoring the fact that she is literally 1 among billions of women stating all of this and she was bullshiting whether she knew it or not. Most men just don't understand that women are master bullshitters.

Sometimes I will fall into the trap of thinking that women's standards are too high for me to meet because of confirmation bias. Whenever I see attractive girls or even girls who are just so so to me I will notice that the guy has physical characteristics that I don't have . It could be that he isn't partially bald on the scalp like I am ,is taller then I am(only 5'8),is much more muscular than I am,deeper/attractive voice and that discourages me because it makes me think that women are always selecting guys with qualities that I don't have and never will. Although I have qualities that work in my favor like growing facial hair consistently, handsome/cute baby face(based on women's comments) ,my game is mediocre so I can't capitalize on whatever positive physical or inner qualities I may have. I've been asked by women why I don't have a girlfriend and they thought I was a good guy and should have one and I basically had to give the whole "I don't need one,haven't met the right one" spiel haha.

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Anon-

I had feedback from one girl who tells me she liked my walk and said I walk like a model lol. Other guys will say I walk like i'm trying to look brolic which idk if that means i'm not walking very well or if most men in general just don't walk in an attractive manner.

Nice feedback from the girl.

I heard things like that from the working class guys I worked with in an auto shop when I first started working on my walk at 18. I'd hear things like "Hey Chase, why do you walk like you're so big and bad?" I was never sure if it was because my walk wasn't smooth enough yet, or if it was just because there was still too much of a disconnect between my walk and my persona or physique (I was skinny as a twig back then).

I wouldn't worry about it too much. Just stay focused on improving what you can improve, and that talk should subside.

Most men just don't understand that women are master bullshitters.

Yes!

That exactly.

Women will say a whole bunch of nonsense.

But a lot of guys today seem to take that nonsense seriously, for some reason no one can clearly explain.

"She said it, therefore it's total fact! It is an accurate portrayal of how she really thinks and feels!"

Makes you want to put your hand on the guy's shoulder and tell him "Nah, bra... let me tell you a thing about women..."

It could be that he isn't partially bald on the scalp like I am ,is taller then I am(only 5'8),is much more muscular than I am,deeper/attractive voice and that discourages me because it makes me think that women are always selecting guys with qualities that I don't have and never will. Although I have qualities that work in my favor like growing facial hair consistently, handsome/cute baby face(based on women's comments)

The funny thing is if you look at guys who feel left out when they look at other guys who end up with beautiful women, you will notice they fall into two different camps:

  1. "That guy has attractive qualities I don't have. I could never get his results; the dating world is unfair"
  2. "That guy is way less attractive than I am! I should have her, not him! It just goes to show the dating world is unfair"

Once you start succeeding with the women you want, you stop paying attention to the men women date. Or at least I do. I just notice women I find attractive. If they're with a guy, what that guy looks like or who he is is irrelevant to me. It doesn't even occur to me that that would be something worth evaluating.

Because either the girl is into me, or can be made into me, or she isn't or can't.

my game is mediocre so I can't capitalize on whatever positive physical or inner qualities I may have. I've been asked by women why I don't have a girlfriend and they thought I was a good guy and should have one and I basically had to give the whole "I don't need one,haven't met the right one" spiel haha.

Well then... sounds like you know what you must improve :)

Chase

Xander's picture

Sorry Chase, I had to write this. I know that you are right as always. There are two things I want to ask you about this.
1) Maybe you will agree that there are exceptions and some women can be unrealistic based on country and culture where they live. There are situations where the most of female population in some country, region, etc. is made from inexperienced women with unrealistic expectations and because of that men who live there believe that all women in world are generally unrealistic.
Many, many times I meet average looking, low to middle quality girls that truly believe that nobody is good enough for them. I don’t mean on cliché things like look, money, status, whatever. But Dream guy with ideal attainability (with personality 100% similar to them, not 99% but 100%) and ideal value (dominant like man in Stone Age, with lower social value then they are so they feel they can reach him and to invest in her more than she invests in him and to she feel Hollywood movies kind of love). And if they don’t find this they chose to stay alone forever. Often, this rule that their clock is ticking and that they have to choose somebody doesn’t apply on them. They don’t even want to date anybody else and they are frustrated and blame men because they cannot give them what they want. For them sex is love and love is sex so they don’t have any of it. Where I am now, love life sucks both in men and women because most women have these beliefs.
2) If girls generally aren’t too picky then why most guys are not good with them? You will agree that most guys have some knowledge about women and dating. Maybe they don’t know top advices that we get here on Girls Chase but they surely know something. Average girl can have sex with 90% of guys but even the most attractive and best PUAs can’t get more than 20% of women. Most women will demand this or that from different man and when they get into certain ages they will settle with someone who is not half a man as those they rejected before.
Anyway I don’t blame women too much and focus on what to improve to be better with them. I don’t have many questions, just to see your opinion about this.

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Xander-

Well, here's a thought experiment: imagine a population where the local women are too picky to mate with the local men.

How fares that population over time? If it is true that the women are indeed too picky, the marriage rates will plummet, child birth will plummet, and the population will rapidly decline toward a population crash.

What I have noticed is that men tend to think women are too picky because they won't put out as much as men want. Without understanding that men and women have different mating objectives.

Case in point:

  • Homosexual males: frequently average 100s of lifetime sex partners. Not uncommon to reach 1000s of lifetime sex partners. Life is one big party of constantly finding dudes to bang
     
  • Homosexual females: no more than 10 lifetime sex partners. Pairing is slow and the women engage in long-term relationships

Heterosexual pairings will necessarily be limited by the sexual priorities of the less hookup-inclined sex, and that is the female sex. So lifetime average partners for heterosexuals is closer to 10 than it is to 100 or 1000.

Men view this as "women being too picky", because if women were like men, they'd shag everything that moved.

But it's not really "too picky" if the population never crashes, because that means women are still selecting mates, pairing up, and reproducing, at sufficient levels to maintain the population (and thus, pickiness remains unchanged).

Average girl can have sex with 90% of guys but even the most attractive and best PUAs can’t get more than 20% of women. Most women will demand this or that from different man and when they get into certain ages they will settle with someone who is not half a man as those they rejected before.

Well, see above.

That's the game pretty much everywhere.

Unless a man is gay, he must deal with women's non-male sex drive and dating habits.

And the fact is, women are pickier than men.

This article wasn't arguing they aren't.

It was, rather, arguing they aren't getting pickier.

Instead, pickiness is maintained, but men seem to be opting out of the dating market, in part (I think) due to dating apps disillusioning men about dating, and in part due to men getting sucked into the "reading female opinions online and taking them to heart" vortex I have warned men about for years (I don't know why guys keep doing that. It's really not healthy).

Chase

BigPapa's picture

Hey Chase ,

Like always , really good article .

Just a small remark in regards to girls being single or not .

What I realized is that a girl might be single , not having sex with anyone , etc , but still being off market because she is dragged alone by a guy ( doing this intentionally , or just by talking with her from time to time without him being interested at the moment in doing something with her ) .

Usually this means that it will not be as easy bedding her , as it would be normally if she would be truly on the market , and at the beggining she will always compare you to that guy .

If you go full lover , you will bay pass a lot of back and forth , and then be able to convert it in a relationship ( if you want this ) , otherwise going on the normal or boyfriend route will be super time consuming .

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BigPapa-

Yes, that is true.

You'll have girls who are pining after a guy, sucked into unrequited love, waiting around for some man they aren't with but hope someday to be. And meanwhile they are turning suitors down left and right.

I have noticed this more outside the West than I've seen it in the West. Seems to be a lot more common in Eastern Europe and East Asia. Life's so fast-paced in the West, and especially in the U.S., and women in particular in the U.S. are so quick to auto-reject if they feel they aren't getting what they want, that there's less room for waiting and pining now than there used to be.

But it does sometimes still happen.

And outside the West, it happens more.

Chase

Tartarus's picture

Having read the article, I think you missed the point of the whole 20% thing in the manosphere. It's about "effortlessly" getting attractive women. Think in terms of only 20% of guys can get and sleep with 80% of attractive women any time they want...make sense now?? Not a lot of men dates 6 girls seriously at a time. But a lot of top tier men have 6-8 casual women at their beck and call irregardless of if those women are single or not (alot of the more attractive ones have boyfriends). From my own personal experience and observing friends who are serious with pickup, once you've gotten something good "for free" afew times (2 coffee dates that kick off months long fuck-buddy relationships with attractive women) paying the bare minimum becomes too expensive. Anyone I know who's said standards were too high was someone with lots of casual women but felt they wanted something more. By the same token, women who date those elite men may settle for less but they will constantly push you to live up to their expectations of what they can get. Hence you get a disconnect in what each expects and people making noise all over the internet (women are also talking shit about men and it's all understandable)...you are absolutely, just realise some people have a past that taints their views...For me standards for serious long term relationships are too high in terms of time, effort, expectations and the patience/ troubleshooting needed to maintain them, fun flings not so much.

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Tartarus-

The impression I get is there are a lot of bitter men who take the 80/20 thing quite literally (20% chads / 80% incels). We even seem to have some degree of that in the comments here!

But I do like your take. I'm skeptical it's 20% of men who can effortlessly get the women they want (or even a steady stream of halfway decent women)... the number seems a good bit smaller than that. But their certainly is a chunk of men who have it good with girls.

You're right, many/most guys who unlock a steady stream of easy mid-range girls tend to have lots of problems securing themselves higher caliber girlfriend-caliber girls. They're basically different skill sets, the "tons of hookups" and "quality hookups" skills. Some manner of overlap, but a lot of each skill set that is unique.

For me standards for serious long term relationships are too high in terms of time, effort, expectations and the patience/ troubleshooting needed to maintain them, fun flings not so much.

Interesting, yeah.

I come from the opposite camp. It was always easy to get quality girlfriends but it was a big uphill climb to get to the point where I was doing good volume. I actually had to spend a lot of time delaying gratification (i.e., not going whole-hog in fully pairbonding with great girlfriend candidates I was getting together with) to get myself to develop a skill set that let me do a good volume of women.

I hadn't really thought about it before, but there is really a tradeoff.

You've got guys who are good at getting quality girlfriends. And you've got guys who are good at shagging barrels of chicks. But the overlap between these two guys is fairly limited. Usually the only time you get guys who can do both is when you have a guy who consciously and painfully set aside the one he was good at and devoted the time to level himself up in the one he was not. And most guys don't have the drive or desire to do that.

I'm going to chew on this more. Maybe flesh out my thoughts on it in an article once it's had time to digest.

Thanks for the perspective.

Chase

James Hunkie's picture

"Women's standards are not too high.

They're the same as they've ever been.

Lower, probably."

Lol I think Chase is trolling here guys

"Guys living in scarcity who see guys living in abundance, and assume (wrongly) that most guys are like them, also living in extreme scarcity, and that these few guys who live in abundance gobble up all the women (in actual fact, if you look at any woman's dating history, even very beautiful women, you will find she's had one or two or maybe three studs mixed in somewhere in the mix there, but the vast majority of men she's been with are average guys)"

Uh no Chase that is not generally what happens. That defeats the whole purpose of your site and how you gain traction. The very beautiful women are not dating average guys. Those guys are invisible to them. Generally they either find an attractive guy to date or just stay single.

You can't use yourself as an example that women standards aren't high because you're not an average guy. You told your stories before. It took lots of work for you to get your first girlfriend from what I recall. And you had to spend countless hours talking to many tons of women.

That's not a good example. Most women's dating standards are high. I'm just not one of those weird guys online that believes a women will never date a guy over 6 feet or a women will never date a guy who's doesn't make 6 figures a year. That's a little absurd. It's just that for women to get women they usually have to be above the women in terms of attractiveness in a sense. They have to be utterly suave, wiity, great conversationalists, ambitious, crazy smooth, and not that short.

It's funny how you commented on women in their 30s who are single have limited options. Its because they choose for their lives to be that way. They often have really high standards. I've worked with a decent amount of middle aged women and what I learned is that they usually wait for a top quality guy or just dont date. I've seen it dozens of times. I cant assume all these guys online are lying. They have dealt with women in real life and realize how crazy their standards are.

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James-

The very beautiful women are not dating average guys. Those guys are invisible to them. Generally they either find an attractive guy to date or just stay single.

Might be a semantic difference in what we consider 'very beautiful women' vs. 'average guys'.

If we are talking about naturally physically beautiful women, then yes, you will observe they date, if not totally average guys, often guys who aren't especially handsome or rich, but typically are a bit smarter or cleverer than them and somewhat above them socioeconomically. What I see a lot is women choosing men who are a bit more successful than them, who look a bit less attractive than them. These are men I'd usually consider "pretty average."

If we're talking about makeup dyed hair silicone breasts gym bunnies, then yes, those girls will go for the flashiest guys they can get, definitely. And the lesser versions of them (e.g., no implants or hours in the gym each day, but still on a strict diet with bottle blonde hair and a winter tan) go for lesser-but-still flashier guys. However you will notice most of these guys either 1.) only have muscles or 2.) only have money, and beyond that little else. Up to you whether you'd consider a jacked guy with 25K Instagram followers who works an ordinary 9-to-5 (or lives off his mother's two jobs!) fairly average or not... but I know I probably would...

You can't use yourself as an example that women standards aren't high because you're not an average guy. You told your stories before. It took lots of work for you to get your first girlfriend from what I recall. And you had to spend countless hours talking to many tons of women.

Sure... but I had plenty of chances with women before that.

All of which I blew because I was too afraid to say "yes" or be a normal sociable person.

I have also talked about how when I was 25 pounds overweight and mumbled my speech and dressed like a big kid I had girls (desirable girls) who were interested... they just weren't as many as once I cleaned up my self-presentation, and I sucked with them from not knowing what to do with women (or people, for that matter).

If I had just had a more normal/average approach to socializing and dating, I'd have had a couple of girlfriends in high school, probably married a college (or high school) sweetheart, and you wouldn't be reading this site ;)

I've worked with a decent amount of middle aged women and what I learned is that they usually wait for a top quality guy or just dont date. I've seen it dozens of times.

Yes, they will do that.

How long do they wait? Forever?

In my experience, typically not.

There aren't many of them that wait forever and eventually become spinsters.

At some point the waiting stops, and they pair up with a guy. Which would seem to suggest that their strategy works.

Why are more women waiting until later in life to pair up? The #1 reason to me seems to be the sustained general economic decline we've experienced since the 1980s and the ballooning cost of child-rearing. The result is people naturally feel "it's not time yet" to settle down and start a family... because they haven't saved enough or reached the point in their careers where enough money is regularly rolling in for them to feel secure managing those costs.

(people will attribute these decisions to all kinds of other things, like "freedom" or "lifestyle choices" or what have you... but underpinning it all is the same thing that underpins almost all reproductive decisions... i.e., one's optimal reproductive strategy for the environment one finds oneself in)

Chase

Will R's picture

Chase,
This is one of those insightful articles that made me really think about things. If I may, I'd like to suggest an article topic for you - moving to a new city. I love your overall pickup lifestyle articles and I think a lot of us would benefit from tactics on how to set up a new group of friends/social circle when moving out to a new city.
Thanks man!
Will

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Will-

Well, as luck would have it, I beat you to it, with this guide from almost exactly 3 years before you asked for it!:

The Single Guy's Guide to Starting Fresh in a New City

Enjoy!

Chase

Bizzy's picture

I think you took the 80:20 rule way too literally on purpose. Of course 80% of all men are not sexless virgins but that rule is all about the options that the top 20% men have and that most women want to date these men IF they could. You will always see women settling for average, fat, short or balding men, especially when they get older and want a family but that doesn't disprove the rule. Women marry and have relationships with unattractive men for various reasons but sexual attraction isn't one of them, hence why the divorce rates are so high in the west.

And what does it matter whether women's standards have always been the same? The level is still high. The difference is that women had no power to date who they actually wanted say in 1950, so they had to settle for providers. In 2020 they have the power and options to date whoever they want. Girlschase wouldn't exist if women were so easy to date for the average guy. lol

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Bizzy-

See my comment earlier to another commenter arguing a similar perspective on 80/20.

The difference is that women had no power to date who they actually wanted say in 1950, so they had to settle for providers.

The 1950s were a(n) historical aberration, as discussed in my article on that:

Was the 1950s Housewife a Historical Aberration?

Our dating situation today is much more like that of the 1920s and 30s than it was the 1950s, when there was a severe shortage of men relative women due to so many of the men getting killed by other men in the Second World War. The male:female ratios were more favorable for men in the 1950s than in any other time in at least the past century. Those men alive could thank all their dealy departed brothers for that favor.

I dare say if we had an Internet in 1925, there probably would've been a Girls Chase back then, too :D

Chase

Neal's picture

Chase, I often do women have a struggle where they really want to msg a guy, but are against being the 1st to. How painful is that to women? On social media.

For example, I follow the women's mentality of supply and demand, so every once a year in the winter months, I stop posting on Facebook, for say, 3 months in a row. But yet, some women will lurk my profile every day for weeks before giving up, just to see I haven't posted anything new. Then, when I do post something new, they find out from their friends that I'm back posting again. Well, that was a year ago, and now I just started not posting at all some weeks ago, and it's amazing how there are will women that lurk my profile weekly, but won't msg or add me...

Anyways, as far as this article goes, as much as I'd agree with this, the same is true the other way around. Men can have high standards also. For me, I'm pretty picky about height. I love girls that are in the 5'7"-5'9" range. I also like girls that can do a lot of push-ups, are not ashamed to have things like an OnlyFans account, sell photos of themselves, etc.

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some of those "20%" are guys that are perceived by society to be Alpha (athletes, guys in a biker gang, etc...), but they aren't always are.

The BlackDragon (Caleb Jones) divides alphas into two groups: Alpha 1.0, and Alpha 2.0. A lot of those pro athletes are probably in the 1.0 bracket, including guys that have beaten their wives (like Ray Rice, Greg Hardy, and going way back, Bobby Hull, the Golden Jet).

Also, there are a lot of those bikers who probably ride for the snatch, not for the love of riding. I saw a T-shirt once that said "No Bike, No Beard, No Booty". A lot of beta and alpha 1.0 men (that's what Caleb calls them. There has to be a better term because they aren't alpha at all) comply to that.

At the end of the day, it comes down to allowing women to move the goalposts. Too many men do that, and make it harder for the so-called "regular guy".

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J-B-

Yes, that's a real phenomenon. And it's interesting, right?

Guys who adopt these characteristics they think make them look like tough, sexy bad boys. But then fail to adopt the mentalities to go along with it.

Probably why what's considered sexiest often changes over time.

Chase

Anonymous 's picture

So I'm guessing you would look at it the same way when girl's mention they only date (blank) race even if she's your race or not?

Should we focus on these girls or not?

Or do we,

Just see it as flirting, testing, and silly and cute?

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Anon-

Well, any specific exclusionary comment made toward you is either a strong test or a "take a hike" signal, depending on the context and subtext.

If you're a blond guy talking to a girl and she seems annoyed and says, "I only date redheads," there's an excellent chance that is her trying to tell you politely to get lost. And if you do not take that hint, she is going to get less polite.

However, if you're the blond guy talking to the girl and she grins and playfully tells you, "I only date redheads," it's probably a test/flirtation, and you should proceed.

Same deal if she's saying it about race. It's the same thing.

If you're talking to a Latina and she playfully tells you, "I only date Hispanic men," and you're not Hispanic, but she's smiling at you and touching you, it's probably flirtation.

Chase

Richard, the standup guy's picture

You’ve been living in like Eastern Europe or somewhere for far too long if you wrote this.

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Richard-

Read through this thread.

I polled our forum, so it wasn't just me talking. All these guys are almost entirely all guys who are active in the United States or Western Europe.

I summed up their responses in this post, and ended with this summary:

I think after going through the responses in this thread I am getting the impression that, while there might be some rise in entitlement and decline in motivation, the biggest problem is really perceptual:

Guys are spending way too much time hanging out on social media, swiping endlessly on apps, and getting dazzled by mid-tier flash chicks with 500-word "requirements for my man" lists on Instagram, showing off their mediocre assets on OnlyFans. Then these guys lay back and smoke a bowl and complain to their buddies about how entitled women today are and how unrealistic their standards are. Meanwhile not having barely approached a live women in the real world in ages.

I am not the only one noticing this.

Everyone who is active with women is seeing it.

Guys are getting lost in this virtual world of dating apps and porn and social media echo chambers and it is distorting their perceptions.

They need to climb up out of the tunnel like in THX-1138 and emerge into the sunlight (i.e., get out there and start approaching real women in the real world, and stop reading stuff women are saying online and interacting with them virtually).

Chase

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