A Few Thoughts on MGTOW: Men Going Their Own Ways

i was also a little sceptical of something that means so many different things is no movement.  And I was right it’s not a movement, It is a general philosophy for men that want to take control of thier lives and live life by thier terms,  some go full celibate, some go PUA, some date but keep it casual and avoid commitment, the list goes on.  I guess I identify with MGTOW since in rough terms I’ve practiced it for over 20 years.  Whatever name you call it I witnessed the destruction of masculinity, loss of family, money, kids pension all over and the common thread was every man went away in shock of how one sided the law is.  I was raised very traditional with my mother mostly home and my dad working 3 jobs to support 4 kids and a wife. My father was the opidamy of masculinity.  Powerful farm kid married young worked to death to fulfill his many duties and it broke my heart to sit there are watch my mother destroy him Dailey.  He was no wimp, trust me he laid me out cold the first time I fingered I was tougher with 8 beer in me at 15,  but he would sit there and take shit and you could almost see his shoulder slump carrying the weight he did.  I don’t know a single man that would stick around through that.  He stayed because that’s what men do.  The studies show that even bad patients are better the one parent.  They were married 48 years until my mothers death and in some way I think there was love.  Next I watched my older brothers get divorce raped, then as a soldier I saw returning men come home to a empty house maxed out credit and no kids.  I also saw the stupidity of quota hireing in a organization that can put you life in extream danger if the soldier beside you only had to do 3 push-ups to pass the extra low standard fitness testing.  The list goes on and after my first deployment to a shit hole I could not stand the grossly entitled females running around blaming men for everything.  So I just stopped caring, stopped dating, and lived my life. But it’s got progressively worse for men in the west.  to the point that when I was wounded and had to retire after 26 years of defending my country only to find its gone to shit, men have lost due process and are assumed guilty, complaints by women can destroy your life, my government is forcing feminist ideals down men’s neck refusing programs to men who won’t sign a pledge that glorifies some truly horrific social justive laws. I came to the conclusion that I wasted 26 years of my life sacrificing my body and mental heath on spoiled diluted Canadian idiots.  So Mgtow for me, is just that, for me.  I feel truly sorry for boys and men entering the reproductive years,  if I had more money I’d be in Panama now, screw this place 

There is no Mgtow movement. No dues no leader, no meetings and no rules, though some do for themselves (see 4 stages of Mgtow< not a thing). There are a few websites that started a forum for men but are not the keepers of the name. The definition adapted or used by many Mgtow Is taking self ownership and choosing to live life outside the the expectations of society (ok I fudged, I forget the whole verse). But it is roughly that. It’s a trap, live for yourself. Many, including me, know that women are way to much a risk for little reward, and it’s getting worse.

Minus the newly divorced raped MGTOW many like me, will say they love women. But. We have also done the math. And seen the bias. It’s not worth the risk. The only way to win is not to play. Even dating is high risk with the Ontario courts have ordered support for an ex girlfriend to the tune of 50k a month for ten years. Never married, no kids. His sin was giving her money, paid her mortgage, lavished her with expensive gifts and vacations. So it’s his fault for treating her good, but now dating is high risk.

Many guys who adopt the general principles of Mgtow have been destroyed in family court or screwed over in some way by women. Like AA those newly crushed men rant, say mean things say bad words and in the sharing the burden is slightly lifted. Reading the postS Like AA gives men little glimpses of shared experiences and know they are not alone. Eventually they will get it out and move on with the freedom of MGTOW and live life their own way.

And thanks for being you, for the first few paragraphs it seemed you were making some valid points though done in a sarcastic or snippy flippant way. But then you let the shine out and started shamming men and passive aggressive condemnation with multiple ref to virgins. After that I just stopped reading. The “I do what I want” summation of Mgtow was obviously a sarcastic statement.

If the rest of the article was a 180 and was a fair impartial assessment then I apologize, but it’s been waited hundreds of times with the same mantra. So just like going my way, I can also stop reading things That are The same BS, But hell I really don’t care much anymore. I sometimes drop in and see if anything new happened, and low and behold the UK are tabling a law to make misogyny a crime! Or dating a new way to redistribute men’s money. Or even the APA defined masculinity as a mental impairment or disorder. Imagine that, arrested for misogyny and jailed, then court ordered to a mental health assessment where you are found to be mentally ill with masculinity.

It's irrelevant whether or not if men who went MGTOW have been able to find women. Whether it's an effort to avoid being victimized by the Unconstitutional divorce courts, or men who can't get a woman to save their lives, the point reached by all men who went MGTOW is the same. They decided to de-prioritize women and live their lives on their own terms to the greatest extent possible. Going MGTOW can be temporary while a man repairs his life, OR he can remain MGTOW until death. Men who have had no luck with women despite their efforts in the face of chronic and constant rejection understandably reach the point they no longer are interested. The decision to give up is theirs and it is a legitimate option. Nothing demands as much effort as relations with women with ZERO assurances it would be reciprocated let alone appreciated. If a man only finds women who will not reciprocate, he has every right to give up temporarily or permanently.

I had a conversation with a woman recently whom I haven't seen in a few years. Last time I saw her, she was fairly conservative, but now she seems to have changed to being liberal. Her fear is that Trump will ban abortion, and my telling her that a president can't do that served only to make her angrier.

It went something like this:

Her: "Women are in danger now! Men never face danger or have the government try to control their bodies!"
Me: "Conscription."
Her: "Huh?"
Me: "Men have been forced to fight in wars for as long as there have been wars."
Her: "....oh yeah that's bad...but anyway, Trump is evil!"
And it went on like that. My take away from this is that this woman didn't even think of conscription, and it was pointed out to her, she dismissed it. She did this because she simply doesn't care about men, to the point that we wouldn't even enter into her thought process.

This anecdote should demonstrate how dangerous giving political power to woman can be. Firstly, this lady radically changed her political outlook based on nothing more than emotion and (I presume) peer pressure. However, she has also demonstrated an utter disregard for 50% of the population. What part of a mind like that should be given power?

This is only the tip of the iceberg. Western men are quite willing to pull the pin on their own nations if need be. MGTOW strength lies in the fact MGTOW is not political origination, group, or movement. MGTOW has no structure that can be infiltrated or corrupted, no chain of command, no clubhouse, corporate, government, social or otherwise. No funding model. Most females do not have the intellectual capacity, honesty, self-reflection, accountability, honour, empathy, lack of self-centredness to understand MGTOW. Men have almost unlimited power over their future by doing less for a society that despises them.

MGTOW was started by Gen X in 2001 and will continue to grow.

I will do the best to keep my experience and decision relevant, as I'm definitely in the minority. Seeing this all (dating) thru the lens of finding out that I am on the spectrum at age 43, well that explained a lot. For decades prior, women always seemed to have a quip or a platitude for every situation. Oh you just haven't met the right girl yet. This also applied to having kids, which I decided against for the greater good. The 'right girl' is not gonna get me to take one for the team and have child's existence start out that way. Cannot help that they are an assault on my senses. Nothing like getting a half-hour to eat during holiday season in the mall, and about 22 minutes of that was waiting in line and waiting for a empty table. Then someone sits down with her baggage and as she's already plopping down with the little crumbcrusher, oh you don't mind if I sit here. Good thing I was just about to take my last bite, and I informed her that I did mind.

That was 20 years ago and it's only gotten worse. Online dating was godawful. I was very upfront about certain things in my profile, like MMJ usage. I also have a couple of other medical issues that doctors are really at a loss for, so no after the fact that I spelled this out in my profile and you now have a problem with this during messaging like it's somehow new information--no not doing away with sleep because you think "pot is icky". I had one who objected on account of her asthma and asked how important this was to me. Welp, I can see where things go whenever there is a conflict of needs. She also shamed me for being a bad bowler when I made a self-deprecating joke, so there was no FOMO whatsoever in cutting that one loose. Apparently bowling was a serious matter and my health was not. And I had just read a post written by a woman who was venting because guys did not read her profile and just looked the pics. This was far from an isolated incident, same exact issue. At least being upfront made for a good lie detector, without that ever having occurred to me off the bat. I mean honestly a big part of this is using CBD to treat the seizure-like condition that arose due to another mental health blunder. Not going to convulse for you honey.

Others that resulted in actual dates were even worse. I had the 'social drinker' who got so trashed on my dime that she puked in my car. We were parked, like how are you incapable of opening a door when you felt that coming on for like 30 seconds prior??? Went from prospective interest to caretaker for the rest of the night. She kept asking me how close my house was and I kept saying 'not far'. No not happening. Sleep it off in the parking lot honey. This was the least bad of my 3 dates from OLD. I even had one who thought life was so much harder for an "emotional woman" vs being an emotional man. I asked her how many times you were physically attacked just because someone saw opportunity, or how many times you were called a "faggot" for feeling things more deeply and not yet having the skills to hide it. No response. I'm completely SMH that someone can equate having a vagina to having a disability, lmfao.

There was quite a bit of mooching, which is also typical of everything in the cannabis scene without bringing gender into it. I feel like I should have the chair nailed down to the floor when I know there's a fellow 420/710 in the house, unless they have some heady glass that they paid for in full. But what women do not understand--I am 1x per 24 and a med user--I'm not asking you to bring over your BC so it can be party time because it's "man's night". That particular type of leaching has been a problem since cannabis has been in my life, as in for like 30+ years.

In other details, I also lost over 100 lbs and have kept it off for several years. The thing is, I live in the south and no woman ever called me a pet name during the 8+ years psychiatry made me fat. As in NEVER. And I don't blame them. And of course I read about this and saw many diatribes from women about how we are evil patriarchy if we call you 'honey'. After weight loss I get all this honey baby sweetie crap, then they play the 'culture of the south' card. I stopped going out to local restaurants by myself, as things just got obscene there.

Things also got pretty messed up in dealing with healthcare. After having a kidney stone, nurse pet names did not want to let me put my clothes back on in private. She actually led with pet names and then followed with loads of 'my boyfriend' statements. When I asked for privacy so I get get changed she said "Well we've all seen you nude". That's nice, now GTFO.

I had a mental health nut escalate with several comments that crossed the line. One was asking me 3 times if the temp was OK (it was a hot day) and I kept assuring her that I was fine. She then said, "That's why I'm all bare down there" and proceeded to look down. She could have been talking about her legs, but I about lost my lunch and I was doing my best to show her no reaction at all. I also made a statement on the intake forms that I "Am not looking for a romantic relationship of any kind". She asked what that meant, as if it needs clarifying. It was more like defend the turf.

Then there's always the coy "Oh well you have to figure it out" in the face the usual passive/aggressive nonsense. Well, that's the one thing I cannot do, or you may literally be waiting years for that to happen. I half think women who do that are passively making fun of the stupid parts of me so they can get a one-up.

I was not born with any negative feelings towards women and I'm a painfully rational person. I may gone thru the girls have coodies period when I was really young, but I am also not unattracted to women. Some of this stems from the fact that predatory women will be more likely to double down on me due to delayed reactions being perceived as permission or weakness. Honestly not a stretch, because it's what Cluster B generally does when it wants something, man or woman as my experience is similar across the board with PEOPLE.

Am I MGTOW? Dunno and don't really care, labels are mostly for simple minds. I just know that I am avoiding the whole situation because it's too much risk and liability, and due to past history it feels like something I never want to approach again. And no, I'm not like the peeps on "Love On The Spectrum". God that was jaw-dropping. No, I was very active from about age 14 to my early 30s, before the last stint ended 5 years ago. I thought I was just taking another 3-month break to resuscitate my ELO and let the brain waves get back to normal/healthy. I just could not bring myself go back. Ah maybe it's because by late 40s most healthy and desirable women are married or already in LTRs. I think part of the problem is not women at all, just the overall dating scene plummets into the depths after a certain age.