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How Important Is It to Sleep with Her on the First Date?

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Do you need to sleep with every girl on the first date? The answer: no, but it helps. Sometimes a lot.

Often enough we’ll get someone on the Girls Chase forums who, after following the GC model of “move faster,” will begin to question the validity of said model.

Usually it’s because he finds the majority of chicks he meets up with won’t sleep with him on the first date... or, when he does go for the first-date lay, he crashes, burns, and never hears from her again, no matter how much he persists. Usually his inquiries are focused on women of higher quality (more beautiful or popular) and he suspects they aren’t prone to sleeping with men quickly.

Well, that’s actually true – beautiful girls with high self-esteem are much less likely to sleep around, as they’ve learned from a young age just how in-demand they are and how easily they can rope men in to relationships without having to give up sex.

However, this doesn’t change the fact that these women will have sex with you on a first date/meeting. Not only is it possible, it’s better, because the quicker you sleep with her, the more likely she is to date you, and not those other dudes. We will answer why in this article.

Now, this is important: to most naturals (like myself), it isn’t really about strategy – it’s about desire. When you ask us why it’s important to sleep with a girl on the first date, the answer is “because I want to sleep with her.” To understand this mindset, divorce yourself from strategic, categorical thinking for a moment.

You see a girl with a nice ass, busty tits, or a beautiful face – you want to have sex with her, without a doubt. Why would you NOT want to have sex with her as quickly as possible? This thought is in fact a much higher order of frame and masculine thinking than the “how do I keep her or seem most dominant?” mindset, even if it seems simpler or more primal. It’s rooted firmly in the man’s desire (i.e., your frame).

On a slightly more academic level, I addressed this question of lay speed in my article on moving fast without rushing. My thesis was simple – because time is irrelevant to women, why not move fast?

If a woman feels sexually or emotionally connected (or both), she will have sex with you quickly.

Thirty minutes after meeting you, an hour into the first date, or without even a first date and straight to your house, etc. (also, for clarification, a first date can also include the first time you meet her out. Basically, the first time you have any significant chance of sleeping with her, be it at a bar, coffee shop, or a predetermined meeting)

The only higher-tier counterargument to this mindset that I can surmise, and one I’ve seen a few times, is if it takes you longer to sleep with a girl, that ensures her chances of cheating are lessened, because if it was hard for YOU to get her, then imagine how hard it will be for those OTHER guys. Well, we’ll cover that one, too.

However, many guys still wonder why it’s important that you sleep with her on the first date or meeting.

But first we need to address the primary question.

Tactics Tuesdays: Tell Her the Deal, with an Asterisk

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When guys hit a wall, they try to out-game girls, confess their feelings, or walk away. None of those options work all that perfect, though.

Ever been in a situation with a girl where you know she likes you, but she’s cagey. And you’re pulling your hair out trying to get her to do something... anything with you. But you’re on the verge of giving up? And you think maybe she’s on the verge of auto-rejection?

Most guys respond to this one of three (3) ways:

  1. They try to out-game her (“Maybe if I do X, I’ll get her”)
  2. They drop their feelings and hope (“I’ll just confess my emotions”)
  3. They give up and walk away (“Screw it, this isn’t going anywhere”)

If you’ve read my article on giving girls parting shots, this one’s going to be similar to that. The exception is that you won’t be doing this as you part with her. Instead, this is how you get her to cut the games. To do it, you’re going to tell her what the deal is... with an asterisk.

Tactics Tuesdays: A2daMIR-Style Banter and Frame Control

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A2daMIR
Natural and nightclub bouncer, A2daMIR wielded a unique and masterful approach to seduction... Focused on turning the tables on girls.

One of the all-time best posters on the now-defunct mASF seduction forum was a guy named A2daMIR. A2daMIR was a Boston-based nightclub bouncer who routinely pulled off brilliant pickups... Typically with hot and bitchy girls. His ribald sexual humor was one of my inspirations for chase framing, but he has tech beyond just innuendo.

A2daMIR long claimed that his success came from having big muscles. He worked out hard for a number of years to build a ripped body, and after he reached a certain point, that’s when he noted his sexual results began to shoot up. Yet if you ask me, it was A2daMIR’s brain, not his body, that was the biggest factor in his success with girls. I’ve seen tons of extremely muscular men with dog-ugly girls, and had one of the most muscular guys I’ve ever known (this guy was absolutely HUGE) break down in tears to me about how he was never going to find a girl. A2daMIR had something these other muscle-bound guys didn’t.

Which is not to rag on muscles (muscles are great). If you have the time to build them, muscles are a real boon, although the greatest boon seems to be the intimidation factor they have on other men, and your own feeling of confidence to be ballsy and asshole-ish (when you choose to be) without having to worry about getting clobbered by some meathead who doesn’t like what you have to say. Perhaps also your sex drive; lifting hard and heavy over a sustained amount of time generates huge amounts of testosterone (and the sex drive to match). Muscles also have a certain curiosity factor for most girls, girls do find them attractive, and certain women have ‘muscle fetishes’ (the same way some guys like girls with huge breasts, or big behinds, or muscular legs, etc.). However, these are beside the point.

In this article, I’m going to introduce you to what I view as A2daMIR’s most defining signature: his ability to maintain his frame with hot, bitchy, defiant girls, in a way that both turns the tables on them and draws them in at the same time.

And to illustrate this, I’m going to use excerpts from a couple of reports of his... And break down the tactics he uses.

How to Get a One-Night Stand Tonight

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To get a one-night stand, go to where the girl-guy ratios are higher and the atmosphere is hookup-oriented. Approach early and move fast. Invite girls home.

So you want to hook up with a girl and get a one-night stand. Go out, lock eyes with her, walk up to her, smile at her, say hello. Then, not so long after, take her hand and lead her out of there... Straight back to your place or hers. Off come the clothes, and into bed you go. Sounds simple enough.

Over a decade ago, when I set out to teach myself success with girls, one-night stands were my second focus. My first focus was how to get a phenomenal girlfriend (and you can read my guide on how to get a girlfriend here).

It took me a little while to get that first one-night stand, because I did not know what I was doing. But once I figured out how to get them, I got better and better at doing so. After I'd put enough work (and a few years) in, I could just about get one-night stands on command. At that point I'd achieved a major personal milestone: the ability to hook up with girls whenever I wished.

In this article, based on a decade of my own experience hooking up with girls and getting one-night stands, I show you how to do it. In addition, I've tapped 15 scientific studies that will open your eyes to a few elements of one-night stands you likely did not know. And I've laid it all out in simple, clear instructions.

So let's dive in! Let's show you how to get a one-night stand... tonight.

Eye Contact Seduction: Basics and Advanced

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By: Alek Rolstad

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Seductive eye contact is about more than eyelids and gaze direction. With these 3 basic eye contact rules, plus a few advanced tactics, you’ll melt her.

Lately I have been making posts on non-verbal seduction. Non-verbal seduction is a lot of fun and has a lot of benefits – such as being possible in loud clubs. If you’d like my lesson on pulling off verbal seduction in a loud club, here it is: you can’t. This is why those of us (myself included) who enjoy using fancy verbals tend to avoid loud clubs or stick to smoking and lounge areas.

But this will no longer be a problem, for today we will go further down the rabbit hole of non-verbal seduction. One common misconception is that non-verbal seduction is easier than verbal seduction. This is wrong. However, it is important to keep in mind that it is easier to occasionally “get lucky” and enjoy freebies with non-verbal seduction. Becoming consistent and enjoying repeated success, on the other hand, is hard. This requires more than just “gazing her down” and touching her like a caveman.

This forces us to become more calibrated and develop more than a simple “trained eye” and that “smooth vibe” that usually results from field experience. To achieve success and avoid failure, it is still a prerequisite to gain knowledge. And in order to get good at non-verbal seduction, one has to get deeper in the analysis of those concepts, which at first glance to a “clueless” eye, may seem banal. For good non-verbal seduction, the devil is indeed in the details.

In last week’s article, we discussed the oftentimes overlooked yet crucial subject of positioning. Today’s topic, eye contact, is no different. Now, keep in mind that this post, the previous post, and the upcoming posts related to non-verbal seduction will cover techniques that can also be used when delivering verbals; for example, eye contact is obviously key in any form of seduction but is absolutely vital in non-verbal seduction – for obvious reasons, these are the only tools you have at your disposal when verbals are rendered useless. When given fewer “tools” to operate with, perfection is required.

Without further ado let’s get to it.

Sexual Direct Style: Podcast with Hector Castillo

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Welcome to our first regular Date Coach Interview! I conducted this interview myself, with our very own Hector Castillo.

Over the next few months, we’ll be rolling out interviews like this where I talk with a Girls Chase coach about his story and what he teaches to the students he coaches.

Tactics Tuesdays: How to Gauge Her Openness to Teasing

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By: Chase Amante

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Some girls love to be teased. But some girls hate it. You find out who is whom (and how to proceed with each) by gauging her openness to teasing, right up front.

Some girls you can tease, flirt with, and bust on until you’re blue in the face, and they’ll love every moment of it.

Other girls, though? Well... not so much. Give her even a light ribbing and her body language turns icy. Try and flirt with her and she just gives you that stony look. You can feel your stomach muscles constrict as she bores holes into you with her eyes.

If you can figure out where on the spectrum a girl lies before you lay your flirtation on thick (or not at all), you can adjust properly.

But if you can’t, you may just find yourself boring the girls who want you to tease... Or sending the girls who can’t handle teasing into a spiral of auto-rejection.

This article is aimed at men who are intermediate with girls and up.

You can still use it as a beginner, but it’ll likely be a little too finesse to remember to do in the heat of the moment. That’s okay, you can circle back here once the game’s slowed down for you.

So how do you know when to start teasing a girl, and when to hold off?

In this article, I’m going to give you the ‘cautious method’ for figuring out how open a girl is to teasing. You won’t always use this, and in fact I don’t always use it too (especially when I’m trying to just ping a girl quickly and see how interested she is, and move on if she isn’t that interested – I’ll go straight to personal teases in that case).

However, if you want to not blow it with a specific girl, or you’re in a captive audience situation (like seated next to her on a bus or airplane, or in a class), this is perfect for not sending girls into auto-rejection by going too far with your teases.

And if she isn’t open to teasing? Don’t worry, I’ve got a solution for you there too.

Let’s dive in.

3 Body Position Phases When You Talk to New Girls

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Your body positioning when you approach a new girl tells her a lot about you, fast. If you want to make sure you send the right signals, you want to get the positioning right.

Since lately we’ve been discussing non-verbal seduction, I decided to go a bit further and discuss the actual tools for non-verbal seduction. These upcoming posts will cover in depth some commonly known tools, but they will also discuss some oftentimes disregarded tools that are actually vital – remember that with non-verbal seduction, the devil lies in the details.

To illustrate this properly, I’ve decided to make today’s topic about positioning.

We will base our analysis on clubs and bars, but the exact same principle applies for parties and day game. The reason I use the club is because positioning is more important in this atmosphere and has more nuances in typical night game spots.

By positioning, I am referring to your body’s position relative to the female with whom you are interacting (or trying to interact with, if we are talking pre-approach) – where your body is facing, your distance from her, and even the particular spot where you’re standing can be a big factor. We will discuss all three phases of body positioning in three sections covering three broad seduction phases, namely:

  1. The Pre-opening (before you engage)

  2. The Post-opening (just after you engage – often described as the “hook-phase”)

  3. The Seduction Phase (I am not only referring to when you are making out, or back at your place, but the phase where you have opened, she is hooked in, and you have some rapport, and preferably you are in isolation with her)

Let us now discuss how positioning works during the first phase.

How to Dress Case Studies Series, Pt. 1: Flings with Good Girls

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In How to Dress Case Studies 1, Darius puts together 3 outfits for a guy whose aim is fun, casual flings with “good girls”.

Hey guys,

This will be our first “How to Dress: Case Study” article in what I hope to be a very cool and interesting three part series.

In this case study, we’ll be constructing an image tailor-made to help its wearer have more flings with what he’d consider “good girls.”

Because this is the first piece, let me quickly explain what you’re about to find. Over the last few years, I’ve shared with you a wide variety of articles meant to show you how you can use clothes and fashion to maximize your attractiveness:

And with this article series I’d like to show you how all the know-how we’ve covered so far comes together in real, actual situations. In other words, we’ll take three different guys and tailor their image; we’ll build specific outfits that would work superbly in their lives.

Now, because I didn’t want to just make up these unique situations, I reached out to some of my own site’s long-term readers and asked if they would like to participate.

From those who responded, I picked three unique situations in terms age, complexion, body type, climate for which we’ll tailor the image, and their goals with image and women. This way we’ll be able to cover a lot of ground and increase your chances of finding some useful tips you can implement in your image.

Lastly, to keep the privacy and anonymity of the volunteers, I won’t be sharing their full photos or full names. The subject from our first case study I’ll refer to as S.

Tactics Tuesdays: How to Approach Girls Who are Eating Alone

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How to approach a girl eating alone – you must disarm her concerns of awkwardness first. Then you turn the tables.

This one’s a bit niche. But hey, I just covered a very broad topic (in great detail!) yesterday in my how to get a girlfriend article. So I think I can tackle a specific one here.

On our discussion boards, forum member CuriosityKillsTheCat asks:

I’ve approached girls eating many times. It was difficult. Most of the time she had to stop and talked with me. Also I hadn’t find a way to move her to another place. Phone numbers were 100% flake.

Do you guys approach girls eating? My school’s cafeteria has many girls sitting alone eating there. I might miss out big opportunities.

(here’s his forum thread on this)

It seems like a simple one to solve: she’s by herself, just go talk to her. Right?

Except it’s a little more complicated than that. Try it out, and you’ll find it’s often a bit awkward and a little intrusive to approach a girl who’s seated alone, eating her meal. You can make her feel trapped, and if there are ample places to sit, you look like you’re chasing her if you go all the way over to her. There are plenty of snares here for you to fall into.

Is there a way to consistently approach girls alone in large cafeterias (or elsewhere), and have it go well?