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Showing Interest Without Chasing: Use High Points!

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don't chase! Showing interest on high pointsMen often make chase by showing interest women have not ‘earned’. If you do not want to chase, tie your interest-showing to her giving HIGH POINTS!

What do all these questions, asked of a woman you’ve recently met, have in common?

  • “Are you single?”

  • “How old are you?”

  • “Do you have a boyfriend?”

  • “Would you like to hang out?”

The answer is all these questions show interest in the girl.

Depending on how far along you are with her, and what type of game you’re running, you may even be showing more interest than she is ready for yet.

That’s because when you show too much interest in a girl unearned, it gives her the feeling that you are much more interested in her than she is in you – and it (very often) brings your seduction of her to a close.

Rather than ‘jump the gun’ by asking these questions too soon, we’re going to do something else: we’re going to save these questions for high points.

9 Signs a Girl Is a Boy Crazy Trollop

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signs she's a boy-crazy girlWhen a girl is boy crazy, she can’t get her mind off men. She needs a man – & almost any man might do! Here’s how to spot these girls easily (+ what to do).

How do you tell if a girl you’re talking to is just a regular chick trying to get by in the world… or a love-drunk, boy-crazy trollop? How do you know if she’s with you because you’re great, or because she’s got a hole in her life (or her cooch) to fill and you seem like you could be a fit?

Boy crazy girls are a mixed bag for relationships; they’re also a mixed bag for seduction. At least in terms of pickups and quick flings, these gals can have their pluses; though they also come with downsides. These girls are worth understanding, however, because you will meet a lot of them.

I came across a wonderful article written by a woman who’s had enough with these types of women as friends – these strumpets perpetually in pursuit of men. I’ll quote a few choice bits:

One of my biggest peeves about female friendships are women whose entire lives are centered around men, relationships, crazy situationships, Tinder, and their never ending thirst for low quality males who mistreat, reject, ghost and emotionally abandon them.

There is nothing more unattractive than women whose entire existence revolves around chasing men. Every conversation, every night out, every interaction involves exhausting scenarios of who she is talking to now, what he said to her, who ghosted her, how many males she is seeing this week, and all the emotional disappointments that come with texting with 50 different candidates a month. It is absolutely exhausting to have to listen to women who only have one subject to talk about, men. And then, there are women who disappear the moment they get into a relationship. She takes this male so seriously, that she practically disappears to concentrate on her connection to him. She prioritizes some goon who offered her a getaway, and she acts like she’s already in a serious relationship, when he just needs someone to screw for the weekend. When he stops answering her texts, she’s back acting like my best friend needing some advice, for the 101st time.

Men ghost them, therefore the man is bad. A girlfriend no longer picks up the phone, therefore the friendship was bad. They extract every ounce of a friend’s energy, and they keep coming back expecting me to listen to the latest dating drama, as if this one is different from the last. Nothing ever changes for man crazy women. When they should be getting professional help, they spend that money on a new hairstyle- maybe that will make her more attractive for the next guy.

The full blog article is worth reading (the writer is a very self-aware woman with some delightful perspectives), but these bits give you some idea about what we’ll discuss here.

How do you tell whether the girl you’re chatting up is boy crazy… versus just a regular girl?

And if she is boy crazy, is she worth seducing or dating – or not?

Stranger Sex vs. Relationship Sex: A Sex Talk Gambit

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intimacy or impulse?Sex with strangers is different from sex within relationships. The distinction isn’t just academic – it’s useful fuel for a seduction, too.

Hey guys. Welcome back.

Today, I want to share my perspective on a gambit that has brought me much success.

In mid-2023, veteran poster Tominho on skilledseducer.com shared a sex talk gambit called “Strangers versus Lovers.” This concept highlights the differences between sexual experiences in a relationship and those with a stranger. His take differs from mine, so if you like what you read below, check out his version as well.

I like this gambit because it accomplishes many things, ranging from the obvious: setting a sexual frame.

This gambit also accomplishes these:

  • Connects with her pacing – You show that you understand her point of view regarding sex. (Most women share the point of view presented in this gambit.)

  • Creates comfort – As you discuss comfort, her comfort increases. (I think my version emphasizes comfort more than Tominho’s, which focuses more on arousal by emphasizing the magic of having sex with a mysterious stranger.)

  • Stimulates her – Tominho’s version emphasizes arousal more, but one can spice up the version I present here, and I do that often, too.

More importantly:

  • Sexual prizing occurs – As you share knowledge about sexual subjects (linked to pacing).

  • You increase frame control – This gambit is great at flipping the script and reframing objections women have about casual sex and why they tend to prefer sex in relationships.

Next, I’ll run through the gambit. This gambit is safe to use and suitable for the early game (but also works great in mid-to-late-game). I will also discuss Tominho’s version, which works better as a mid-to-late-game gambit.

Deleting Girls' Numbers Because They Don't Text Back Is Bad Game

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should you delete girls' numbers?Guys will tell you “if she flakes or doesn’t reply, delete her number.” Yet girls’ availability always shifts; the veteran playboy knows not to delete her.

A lot of guys, for their own peace of mind, and to head off any needy-chasing behavior in themselves, delete girls’ numbers if they judge a girl too flakey, unresponsive, or rude.

I did it myself as a dating newbie. It can give you a jolt of pride, as if you ‘rejected’ this girl who wasn’t showing sufficient interest in you. It can also stop you wasting time obsessing over girls you’re unlikely to convert.

There is merit to it, to a degree. It does have its place.

Nevertheless, there is no denying that experienced playboys who get laid a lot don’t do this, and that, in the grand scheme of things, it is the result of bad game.

Classic Sex Talk Gambit: Sex Is Natural

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talk past her defensesThis basic sex talk gambit is easy to use – and can melt women’s resistance to sex. The way it works: framing sex as something NATURAL.

Hey, guys.

One of my signature techniques is sex talk. I will discuss this topic extensively in the coming weeks, considering its recent rise in popularity on the skilled seducer’s forum.

Sex talk has long been a recognized technique. I have established a reputation in the seduction community thanks to my experience using it.

Since then, I have written numerous posts on the subject, which I’ve compiled in this thread.

STICKIED: Sex Talk Gambits Compilation (And more)

This thread is, in a way, an homage to the sex talk legacy. I realized that one of the initial sex talk gambits did not show up on this list! Some classics, such as the eight types of orgasms (one of my first) as well the gambits in these articles, 3 Sex Talk Gambits So Bold & Explicit They Arouse Girls Instantly and 3 Sex Gambits: Good/Bad Sex, Sex is Unfair, and the Dark Side (especially the sex is unfair gambit) are there, but one classic that has been well-utilized is missing.

It’s time to remedy that. This gambit can remove resistance. It is from 2009, and I was not a master then, but this basic gambit is easy to pull off, safe, and is still efficient.

For the gambit, you may skip ahead to the section “Sex is Natural Gambit.” However, I recommend not doing so as I will share some interesting ideas and history that I think you will enjoy.

Tactics Tuesdays: Prefacing Your Ask Out with a Soft Close

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using the soft closeRaise your rate of girls saying “yes” to dates with you by asking them out with a soft close. Be smoother, get more dates, & experience fewer rejections!

If you listened to my lengthy interview with legendary playboy Skills, you may recall a section of the interview (near the end) where we spent time discussing the use of a soft close.

(the gist of what we discussed was Skills’s approach to texting soft closes girls after he takes their numbers, while my approach to texting soft closes girls before taking their numbers; either one, by the way, works – it’s more a matter of stylistic/game preference)

A soft close is a way to create a short yes-ladder that eases girls into a date with you.

Rather than smack her in the face with a high pressure date request out of the blue, you baby step her into agreeing to a date – raising her comfort, your smoothness, and the odds you turn this girl you’re having a conversation with into, first, your date, and then, your lover.

Today we’ll look at how to use soft closes.

Bad Nights Out: Fixing a Bad Mood from Rejection or Being Unsocial

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fixing a bad nightSome nights you go out and the night just goes bad. Maybe you got too many rejections. Maybe you’re just being unsocial. Here’s how to get back on track.

Hey guys. Welcome back.

Today, I want to talk about state control and share valuable tips whenever things are not going how you want. These suggestions can help shift the momentum and get your outing back on track.

This post is primarily for night gamers who frequent bars and clubs, but you may apply these tips to any situation. I emphasize night game because it often relies more on your state, mood, and momentum. However, momentum influences all types of social interactions, with a particular emphasis on night game, especially your micro momentum. This refers to the momentum you experience during a specific outing.

Night game is more of a performance act. You require a great mood to convey better energy and guarantee hooks while benefiting from different strategic openings and options and tackling all the potential wildcards in chaotic environments. Past interactions affect subsequent interactions.

When we consider social proof—when women see you interact with other women, you will realize how this affects future interactions. The opposite is true—when you are not seen with other women and are a lonely wallflower, or worse, viewed when repeatedly rejected, it will sink your future interactions. It kills your good mood and overall vibe and erodes the perception others have of you.

Night interactions are interconnected, though they often include episodic elements that vary depending on the venue and strategy used. Day game tends to be more focused and contained, which presents advantages and disadvantages. It’s easier to change locations and start anew if you face massive rejections. It’s more challenging because you won’t have the benefit of social proof.

Of course, past interactions can affect future interactions in day game, but mostly internally. Your overall mood and state can determine your vibe and, in turn, your overall delivery and success of your interactions. In my experience, these effects are less pronounced than in night game.

When you are at a club, and things start to go downhill, you likely have noticed that interactions usually worsen. You may begin with a poor baseline. After forcing yourself to make a few approaches, things just don’t go your way. Courageous as you are, you move on but notice future interactions do not seem any better—they get worse. You may lose all motivation and stop approaching. The night ends with wandering around and, at best, some half-hearted interactions.

Men get inconsistent results in night game because they slip into the downward spiral of a negative loop as they struggle. Now that you know some mechanisms behind your poor night, we can discuss the solutions.

We can address two key dimensions with solutions: the mental and the social dimensions.

The 5 Hoe Phases Women Experience

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the 5 different kinds of hoe phasesIt’s common for women to have a hoe phase. But did you know there are 5 different ones? From the recovery phase to the ‘kid in a candy store’, women hoe it up for a quintet of reasons.

By now most guys have realized that girls going through a hoe phase don’t stay in that phase forever. “Once a hoe, always a hoe” – maybe, but she won’t always be as active shacking up with men as she is during a phase. That little old lady with a 120-man body count isn’t still slurping on as many dongs as she was forty years ago. Age has slowed her down.

The “done with the cock carousel and ready to settle down” meme is funny, but also often correct. What prompts a woman to climb onto the cock carousel and start that hoe phase in the first place though – and why does she climb back off?

Below, we’ll open up the hood on the five (5) major sparks that prompt a woman to begin hoeing it up. Next stop: Hoetown!

Should You Even Bother Dating Jaded, Cynical Girls?

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woman pouting as man tries to shake her handJaded, cynical girls: those girls who always shut down your moves. “I know where this is going,” they say. “I’m not easy!” Are they WORTH bothering with?

I had a conversation recently with a seducer who has been frustrated with girls coming out onto dates who put walls up and do not allow seductions to happen.

This particular playboy meets a lot of girls from online, so he doesn’t get to compliance test or vibe check them in-person first. He only gets to see how well they connect on the date.

His problem closing these girls is not a general problem. He does fine ending up in bed with plenty of the other girls he takes out onto dates.

But with a certain type – the type I dubbed ‘jaded/cynical girls’ in my article on the different camps women fall into in terms of their perspectives on men – he just hits a wall.

As I commented to him, these girls can be gotten. But the question is, even if you can get them, are they worth it?

Mindsets of a Nightlife Seducer: Late Night Game

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navigating the final stepsHow does a highly skilled playboy mentally navigate the later stages of a night on the town? Come along with Alek Rolstad and see the mindsets of a talented seducer late into the night.

Hey guys. Welcome back.

This post will continue my exploration of strategic decision-making and cognitive process in-field. Like last week, I will present a hypothetical scenario that reveals my mental approach to various situations. I am choosing a hypothetical scenario because it allows me to discuss different outcomes, which I cannot do in a real-life report. It also allows me to create the most challenging setting, providing the best examples. The scenarios I present are inspired by actual events and are snippets of different circumstances I have experienced.

Today, I will discuss taking a girl to my place after extracting her from a club.

This phase is often a tense moment for many. You’ve put in much work and are close to the goal! Things can screw up at the last minute, and that can seem scary. You may become needy, or you may be overly careful. Needy because you really want this to work, or overly careful because you do not want to mess things up. Both stressors are not ideal.

Neediness will kill your chance of success and may upset her or make her feel uncomfortable. If you are too risk-averse, you may miss your window of opportunity and set the wrong frame—now, she views you as a non-sexual male. If the wrong frame continues, she will feel tired and not in the mood. You waited too long.

Next, I will share how I mentally manage these situations.