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What to Do When Your Approach Just Isn't Working

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What do you do if you try to improve with women, but nothing seems to work? There are 8 reasons this happens – and you can beat them all.

Girls Chase has been around for almost nine years. We’ve collected hundreds of case studies, success stories, and testimonials over the years, both solicited and not, from guys about all the wild successes they’ve had with girls after finding this site. Our Field Reports board on the Girls Chase forums is a testament in its own right – just go through and read all the (probably thousands now) lay reports on the boards. But sometimes, guys struggle.

Kalyan, longtime reader (and coaching student of Hector Castillo’s) writes:


This is Kalyan, longtime GC fan, and I have a small issue. I am a rather good-looking guy, I’ve got some of my vibe as a man down and I don’t take shit from people. I have good style and I am not afraid to walk up to anyone.

I’m taking coaching from Hector and there are a bunch of things we’re working on (I’m good but not perfect!), but there is something which is sort of discouraging me.

Over the past 2 months I did around 150 approaches. I’d set goals and go at them. And typically I’d use direct openers. However, out of these 150 approaches (mostly day game), I was able to get 8 dates or so, and only like 4 make-outs (2 have been same night pulls).

Many girls would smile at me when I asked for their numbers and give these happily, only not to reply to my first text. This happened like 60 times. Other times I get “I have a boyfriend”. I would be frustrated at this, but when I go out, it’s a new day, I don’t carry it with me.

Now, most of the dates I got were girls who weren’t really sexually interested in me, which suggests that the girls who are interested in me sexually rejected me for not being sexual, so I have to be sexual. Got it, working on it. But my point is, it really doesn’t make sense to do such a huge number of approaches and not get any result at all – the sheer volume should be enough. I’m not saying that I “deserve” more; I know we need to improve, but something doesn’t add up here.

So I was thinking of:

– an article about “what it means when all your approaches don’t end in the bedroom” – or something similar

– advice or relevant articles on this subject (I’ll also cover this with hector).


Kalyan’s not the only one I’ve heard from recently about problems or frustrations. We’ve had guys both on the forums and who’ve left comments or emailed in recently to say they’ve been trying to use the material here and just aren’t able to get it to work. Some of these guys have been at it a few months; some of them say they have tried for years.

So let’s talk about what to do when things aren’t working the way you want them to work, expect them to work, or hoped they would work. This post is for the guys at risk of being left behind. The ones who’ve studied, labored, and sweated it out, but failed so far to achieve the results they want.

This article you’ve opened up is 12,000 words long. That makes it one of the five longest essays on Girls Chase as of writing (there are over 1500 articles on this website). It took me six hours to write, and another hour and a half to edit and proofread. I wrote it for two reasons: the first is because we need an article on here to be able to point guys to when they’re struggling. The second is because, while I cannot personally ensure every guy who comes here is going to succeed, I don’t want anybody failing who truly wants this. If you’re putting the work in, I want you to win. I want you to clear any hurdles and get the brass ring.

I can’t promise you this article will turn things around for you. Much of that is going to be up to you. If you and I knew each other in person, and I had enough time to spend with you, there’s a fair chance I could put you on my back and carry you to success. Yet there are tens of thousands of men who’d like me to do that for them, to only one me... and the one me there is is very busy. The best I can do at this point is outline the common problems, lay them all out for you, and hope that when you see them laid out here, some light bulbs go off for you, and the gears in your head start to turn again.

So let me do my best to shine more light on the pitfalls for those guys who are trying to climb their ways out.

Anyway, no further ado. Let’s dive in.

Chase AmanteAbout the Author: Chase Amante

Chase woke up one day in 2004 tired of being alone. So, he set to work and read every book he could find, studied every teacher he could meet, and talked to every girl he could talk to to figure out dating. After four years, scads of lays, and many great girlfriends (plus plenty of failures along the way), he launched this website. He will teach you everything he knows about girls in one single program in his One Date System.



MrM's picture

Hey Chase!

Don't know if you or anybody else in this site can be of any help in this particular situation but any comment is appreciated.

I'm a good looking guy. Get tons of compliments. And whenever I move on a girl I'm able to close. Or at least get sth out of it (kissing, blowjobs if not sex). The problem is I can't seem to cold approach at all! I'm good if I can get a girl to meet up with me through tinder or social circle. But it is sooo slow. I want to be able to meet girls on command. I did a few cold approaches in europe and and whenever I did I got the girl to come home with me. But... Now that I'm back in my old city (Istanbul) I freeze up. It seems though no one does cold approaches here and I feel like if I did it would be way out of the norm. I know logically that some guys here must do this. I know that the only real solution to this problem is just "man up" and do it. But still... Anyhow, is there any way to get past it?

kalyan's picture

I'll take the burden off Chase on this one- go to the GC forums, and look for the newbie assignment. It's a sweet and short assignment. By the way you described it, you could possibly get laid before you finish it

MrM's picture

Thank you very much for the reply!

I couldn't find the assignment... Any chance you can post up a link if it's not too much trouble?

kalyan's picture

Here's the assignment, make sure you start!

kalyan's picture

It feels awesome to have a post "dedicated" to me. As a guy who "seriously" started approaching in 2017, I haven't been doing this for a long time. But I have a very competitive personality, and I love success, hence why I took the phone coaching with Hector (he pointed out things that would have taken me 6-8 months to auto-fix in 2 weeks). The more I learn, the more I see that there is even MORE to be learned, and older articles make more sense. One point which particularly stood out: who would have know that being sexual is important to have sex with girls? Such a big discovery! After i *really* started to understand this, "women really love sex" started to make more sense.
Regaring the monster article, I feel I need to fix a few points, but I'll take them one at a time: let's start with #1, and understanding that seduction is a light game.
Thanks Chase,

Chase Amante's picture


You're very welcome! Yeah, you're in a good place when it all seems to be unfolding in front of you. Typically means you're intermediate, yet breaking through.

When you're new it seems like there are only a few important things, and you ignore a lot of the other stuff (much of the most important stuff). And when you're advanced, it's all of shades of the same basic principles you've long since internalized (new stuff is like, "Oh, of course. That fits with what I know / have seen / can do, yeah"). When you're in that 'breaking through' period, though, you realize all the stuff you were blind to at a lower level of ability, and it's like a rush of exciting things to work on now.

I suspect you'll see some cool upticks in your results as you add more new pieces and work out the kinks.


Pyro 's picture

Thank you Chase.
Six hours to write this.! Incredible. What technology do you use? A regular keyboard? Or a voice to text application? Being able to churn out an incredible amount of text in a cohesive way for communicating a certain thought is just surreal. I write and it gets fairly foggy in minds eye so I to use a voice to text tool to 'write'

Great article of course.


Chase Amante's picture


Yes, just a keyboard. Voice-to-text would be an entire other learning curve... most folks speak quite different from they write (written word often sounds stilted and overlong spoken; spoken word sounds often rushed or sloppy when written).

If you glance back at my older articles, you'll notice they're all pretty short (at least compared to present articles). It's gotten better to organize pieces in my mind as I go now. And the clearer the idea is, the easier it is to make the words coming pouring out. You also learn structural things, and I have various article structures I typically follow. Then it's just fitting the content into the structure.

So, like anything. Spend enough time shooting clay pigeons, you get better at clay pigeons ;)


RockstarBalance's picture

Dear Mr Chase Amante...

You are a Great Teacher, I am honored that I have decided to follow you in my path of Success towards Women ! You have opened my eyes once again...


Chase Amante's picture

Cheers, RB :)

Obelisknow's picture


Your writing is some deep stuff that is almost always on the money. I can see that you have experienced life, dating success, and just see this stuff from various angles. Most other experts I note rant and write random stuff but you really get to the heart of it all.

All that being said, I do think you left out one major thing in regards to number four but really just the post in general: LOCATION.

Not only location in regards to the city itself but mainly the culture of the area, especially when you bring race in. I notice that I just have an easier time in some cities while in others I notice a surplus of frustrated guys, including myself, and I am white so I can't really blame race!

In regards to brown guys and hot blondes, I used to live in a big southern city (not exactly a backwater town) in the US that had plenty of both. I noticed that the brown guys definitely made an effort to assimilate, look good, and quite a few were even Christians. Despite their push, I never saw any getting the hot southern blondes. Strangely enough I saw these women with some goofy yet highly confident white guys that had poor fundamentals, it was strange. Even cool white guys from outside of the south had a rough time dating good looking blondes in the area.

If anything, I noticed that the brown guys in the city were actually mocked in private by the local white guys who suspected these guys were trying to get "our women" and as a result largely avoided them in social settings like at the church. When I moved out of the south (and again, I was in a big city there) to a big city up north, that is when I started to see hot blondes with guys of various minority groups that had tight fundamentals, it was like night and day. I actually met a couple brown guys who managed to exclusively date hot blondes and it was not an issue for them or most around them.

My point with this comment being, you made an overall good point about assimilating but sometimes, the best thing to do is move. Not only in regards to number 4 but just the whole article in general, some cities are just closed markets that are horrible for men who aren't a part of the good ol boy club.

I'd also like to throw in that in the current socio-political climate of the US, brown people aren't too liked so it would be a good idea to pick a big city with an overabundance of blondes and a largely accepting social culture that judges you more on character and style than ethnicity.

Chase Amante's picture


Great point. Location plays a major role, for pretty much every type of guy and every type of girl.

Some places tip the scales in your favor for your desired types of women / encounters / relationships, while others tip them against you.

To anyone skimming comments, here are the Girls Chase articles related to location:


Ryan's picture

Nice article as always, Chase.

In one of the comments section of an article of yours you wrote: "It’s my belief that attraction is there or it isn’t. You can unlock attraction by allowing a woman to feel comfortable lowering her guard and expressing it around you (this, to me, is what most men talk about when they discuss building attraction later into knowing a girl – at least it’s what I mean when I phrase it this way). And it’s also possible to sleep with women who are NOT attracted to you, but who are horny and with whom you handle logistics.

That said, you can increase how attractive you seem to women during that first impression by improving fundamentals / attraction factors. (…) You won’t build that attraction any higher with them while you’re with them, but you may make them more sexually aroused or feel needier / view you as scarcer (which I guess some guys would consider “attraction”, but I consider different dimensions).

So here’s my framework: You can increase how attractive women find you by improving your game and fundamentals. However, once she’s had that first impression of you, her attraction is set. You can still unlock “frozen up” attraction she has for you that’s dampened by low attainability or low value behavior by you, or by her not being invested enough, and you can still help her feel more sexually aroused, or needier toward you, but when I’m talking about pure, raw attraction, as in do I find this man attractive, is he a man I like sexually and romantically, in my view that’s set.

All you can do after the first impression is made is unlock (or lock, if you mess up) the attraction that’s already there, turn her on sexually, or make her chase you or feel needy or invested or other emotions like that."

I find this is some topic which is rarely discussed in the Pickup Community and in my beginner days I was hung up in over-gaming for more than two years because of the thought someone can "create" attraction through actions and especially words. Many community guys are hung up into over-analyzation and mental masturbation, they even fuck it up with girls very often because they think "being normal" would mean being a Nice GuyTM.

I also see how many people mistake a lack of (sexual) comfort or a lack of sexual availability (something this isn't discussed anywhere besides GLLs stuff and yours) as a lack of attraction.

The whole "creating attraction" part makes many guys needy and self-conscious and focus on unnecessary micro-management with little results.

Would be nice to hear you elaborating about this topic (maybe an article).

Greets from Germany.

Chase Amante's picture


Got it noted down; I will give it the article treatment!

I guess one helpful mindset tweak in the meantime is to think of what the word 'attract' means; it means to draw something (or someone) in. You do not create attraction by pushing or persuading someone to feel it.

When you walk onto a car lot, you know right away which cars you're attracted to and which cars you aren't. You might test drive a car you aren't attracted to and decide you're maybe okay with it, and could make do with it if you had to, but it never really 'builds' any attraction with you. You might get attached to it, if you end up buying it and owning it a while; you might come to appreciate it. You might get soft spot for it (and other cars like it) in your heart. But it still never attracts you in the way a car that gives you that visceral "Yes; THAT car!" reaction does.

This also leads to a lot of confusion between men about what women want and what they should focus on. Men have their own experiences knowing certain things attract them and certain other things don't. They then project this onto everyone else. "Look, I KNOW Bentley has THE most attractive cars on the market. Anyone who thinks otherwise is ignorant or fooling himself." But there are also people who prefer Mercedes, or BMW, or Audi, or Lamborghini, or Aston-Martin. There are some weird people who are very attracted to the Mini Cooper or the PT Cruiser (not sure what's wrong with those people). That base attraction is there or it isn't, and different people will have very different ideas about what's attractive and what isn't. This often has nothing to do with what marketing they've been exposed to (game) or anything else; it's just there or not.

Still things Audi might be able to do to sell you an Audi if you are most attracted to PT Cruisers. But Chrysler will always have an easier time selling you a PT Cruiser than Audi will an Audi, all things being equal (though... all things are never equal), because of that base, raw attraction that is already in place.


Neal's picture

Hey Chase.

Just wanna say I complimented a really young girl yesterday at a McDonald's, I'm in my 20s, but it wasn't creepy at all. She was probably in the 6th grade.

She came in by her self, stood at tables by herself and talked on phone, hung up. Later took out cash, went to go buy herself a cheeseburger, and then sat down, ate it buy her self. Few times she took out her phone to 1 hand on the phone, while eating the cheeseburger.

So I came up to her and said "You're my hero. ..I love it when girls are independent, when they go places by themselves, without having to bring their "female friends."

Then I left and sat.

I've sat at McDonald's and other places a lot, and almost all the time, girls come in groups of girls, never by themselves. And the few times a girl does come in by herself, she carries out. Not sit in. And most of those carry-outs, she goes back to a car someone was waiting for her.

So when I see a girl independent like this, who could be as young as 6th grade, this motivates me to compliment. (But would never compliment them by their looks though if at that age.).


souwantdatbecky's picture

When I lived in Toronto, it was almost unheard of to see a hot blonde with a brown guy despite there being plenty of hot blondes and brown men there, you did see some with East Asian men though. The reason being that Indian guys had a terrible reputation in Toronto to where a lot of the more status conscious white women, which describes most hot blondes, were weary of being seen with one. Some East Asian guys with game did manage to get these women but that's because East Asian men don't exactly have as bad of an image in Toronto as Indian men do.

As soon as I stayed in Montreal, it was another world. I saw quite a few good looking white women, hot blondes even, with Asian and Brown men. Compared to Toronto, it was far from unheard of like it would have been in Toronto. Montreal was day and night, maybe learning French makes women open to experimenting with cool guys regardless of their race.

Might be something you really want to pay attention to whether you're in Canada or America. It makes me wonder why I see hot blondes with guys of various minority groups in some cities while in others, it is practically unheard of.

Damien_'s picture

Great article! I only started cold approaching consistently 7 months ago due to a change in location and more aggressive competition. It was weird at first, but nowaydays after two or three approaches I get into "the zone" and suddenly it becomes much easier. Like a rejection doesn't bother me too much but rather motivates me. Was able to double my lay count thanks to all the tips I found here.

Asking girls home fast is also very good advice. I asked girls home in as few as 10 minutes and sometimes you can see they are thinking about it, but aren't ready yet. 30 minutes later of deep diving you just ask again and a lot of times the girl is ready then. It's like planting a seed in her mind and it also takes the pressure of the conversation because the girl knows what's the deal and that you plan to close.

If she's with friends it also helps if they like you, I had several occasions where her friends decided for my girl that she will go home with me. Girls are your best wingmen if you play your cards right. I have to say that I lean more on the talktative guy spectrum and many friends have told me I have a great sense of humor that leans into the sexual / dirty side. Together with deep diving it works really well cuz normally the friends like you because you are funny while you are really getting to know the one you are trying to pull.

Anyway thanks Chase and the other authors of this site. You guys helped me heaps. <3

Chase Amante's picture

Cheers for the great testimonial, Damien! Sounds like you've been on your hustle those seven months.

I like some of your personal innovations here... like seeding the pull in the first 10 minutes and circling back to it again later once she feels more connected. That's clever. Dirty, sexual humor is indeed powerful - lets you get the message in in a way she can't resist (she's too busy laughing!).

Very good stuff.


Black's picture

So I just got done reading the muscle posts where that one guy said ypu need muscles and nothing else on the forums.

It made me think more about game and muscles.

So I know both of them help each other.

I'm more silent and don't like to talk much, do you know how I can talk more game to women?

Like how do I have the game you speak of in the post? And use your muscles to your advantage.

I don't like talking at all. How can I love to talk more to spit better game.

How big would you say your muscles would have to be to matter?

Appreciate it

Chase Amante's picture


If you're more on the quiet side, I recommend adopting something like the style I lay out here:

On muscles, William goes into his experiences building muscle and its effects here:

I will tell you from my personal experience, there are two points at which muscles matter:

  • When you reach the point where you are visibly muscular

  • When you reach the point where you are in perhaps the top 1% of men, muscles-wise

Once your muscles are visible, you can showcase them with clothes that show them off well. Tight-fitting v-neck short-sleeve shirts with sleeves that hug your biceps well and help define them are an easy one. Or if you have very good muscle definition, tank tops. Keep in mind muscle definition is as much how much fat is on your body as it is how jacked you are. A fat guy with huge muscles (think: linebacker) doesn't gain many points by walking around in a tank top. But a guy with half his muscles, and none of his fat, looks trim and sexy in one.

Between "visible muscles" and "top 1% muscles", there's not much difference in women's reactions. Girls who are gym bunnies or otherwise muscle-obsessed can tell the difference and are more attracted to men with larger muscles. But other girls can't tell the difference between a guy who's in the top 20% of men, muscles-wise (which you will be if you work out for a year or two), and a guy who's in the top 5%, especially when both men have clothes on. Once a guy hits the top 1% though, it's obvious he's physically different from everyone else in sight.

Even still, girls often don't know specifically that the guy works out or is muscular if he has clothes on. I've seen girls be attracted to a very muscular man who then ask him at some point if he works out. If you've spent any time in the gym, you'll think, "Is this girl retarded? Of COURSE he works out! Probably is on all kinds of gear, as well." But that's just because you're in that world and you understand musculature better and you realize no one is born looking that way. Girls see it and their brains just go "big, powerful, physically imposing man" without going "what course did this man follow to look this way?"

In general though, in my experience, there's a big point of diminishing returns after you get visible, defined musculature.

However, if you are highly determined, and can push yourself into the top 1% or 0.5% on muscles, you can gain some big bonuses (again, keep in mind, it's a bonus - not the whole game. Gotta have other stuff in place to back this up; most girls won't sleep with the weird awkward guy just because he's got muscles. There are enough cool muscular guys with game for her to find one of these men instead if it's what she wants).


Black's picture

Hey chase,

I moved from the hood years ago.

I was wondering how I could make a big comeback when I go back soon?

I'll probably go back in a few months after many years.

I was thinking in getting in way better shape and stuff.

I got better with girls, I got bigger, but I want more, plus mindset.

I want to have more confidence than I have before, I just want to be a different person and I want them to see how much better I got. I want to show them my new rock solid confidence.

But I want to know how to build it first.

I just want to come back big, strong, smooth, More confidence and money than before.

I really want help with the mental game.

How do you think i can do this around 6-12 months time?

Chase Amante's picture

How do you think i can do this around 6-12 months time?

Start working on it now, work your ass off, make gains, get swoll, get confident, get good.

Your successes will raise your confidence. Do a good job, and when you go back you'll be the guy everyone talks about and says, "Damn! Look what happened to Black!"

All depends how well you apply yourself in the time before your return. No time to waste if you want the best impression possible...


Michal's picture

Hello, Chase,

I have to say, articles like these really remind me why your insight is so great. And I like how you pointed how the basic mantra because last couple of years this site seemed more focused on technical nuances (at least from my perspective).

Dating success = Game + Fundamentals

I understand that and some part of me always did. I would add that Game has a secondary effect which is like a light, and fundamentals have secondary attribute, which is your value. And your game shines on your fundamentals which in turn present your value in a certain way. Now I dont mean value like personal values but value as "things that you can offer and provide to others".

However, what it seems to me is that you guys on here, the teachers, sometimes seem to forget is that it is not that easy to actually improve in these because of other factors. I understand your point about the good method but wrong application of it. When I was super skinny, I went to the gym and gained about 14 pounds of muscle in first 8 months and then I hit a plateau. And if some guy told he cannot do that, I would tell him what to do and be confused if it did not work.

However, with activities and skills that regard personality I think it is much more complex. For example, I have very small ego, I am not confident at all, yet I have good self-esteem, am intelligent and I was always told this which I feel makes me shy away from some tasks and do or say certain stuff to hide incompetence because I am afraid to look an idiot or simply not knowing something because I feel like I should.

Now, this stuff and some other stuff shapes my persona. And it influences my body language, how I look at people, what they see in my eyes, how warm I seem to them etc. However, my point is the vibe is off and its not like you can just switch it in couple of months or a year with limited opportunities to practice your skills. I read pretty much all the articles linked here over last couple of years, some of them multiple times but there is a reason some stuff in life works certain way. I cannot just move slow and make eye contact from a side and "be sexy" to a girl. People can smell when you are uncomformtable or a bit anxious or nervous. That requires exposure of course. But if you dont seem like a valuaeble person to be a part of other peoples lives, you dont get much opportunities to work on this.

But I guess my issue is that I never really understood what other people want unless they were super sad, which I have plenty of experience being myself at times. Which means, I wanted to ask you, someone who has plenty of experience with women...


I have a very clear goal (#5 here) about what I want. I would be ok to marry the next girl I sleep with provided she has certain characteristics. There girls that I would like to be with which have lets say certain personality, fundamentals and goals and values. I think the easiest is to give you an example, which is... a girl who behaves and acts like Alice Eve - meaning her, in interviews and in real life. She looks amazing too. The fundamentals (meaning looks, body language, style etc.) I am not that set with, a girl like Carmen Electra who is very different from Alice still catches my eye. Yet I think Alice Eve is a type of girl I would like to spend my life with.

And I think if I knew what a girl like that wants from a guy she wants to spend her life with (because I have absolutely no idea). I think I could manage to achieve that without any other lurking advices from you guys here. I know what I want, I am just not "it" and dont have and cannot offer "that".

I met a girl like that 2,5 years ago. Absolutely amazing girl. Things I know about her... her best male friend was a son of a mafia boss "ruling" one of our smaller towns. His best friend was a son of a Russian mafioso living in one of the bigger cities. She knows people, seems popular yet slightly reserved and guarded, even when she talked with her core group of friends I never saw her talk about some deeper stuff about life, at best how people are and how they assume and stuff. She had a boyfriend the entire time I know her, told me that she had been only on one date which is how she met him. She was always near me in my "elbow" length when we talked, she kept looking at my reactions when things happened (like a teacher told some girl she came to the wrong date and time to take a test - we looked at each other with "feelsbadman.jpg expression"). She very much liked my sense of humor, kept eye contact for longer times, when there was a team project for 3 people in class, she wanted to be just with me and stuff like, before we knew each other better, even though she could sit anywhere in the first row (because it was all empty), she sat right next to me. So with all the other stuff I believe I was her type but I think the value thing and the boyfriend thing stopped me from being with her. She looked like combination of Emily Blunt, Amy Adams and Carmen Electra and she was dressing very simply, elegantly, just the way I liked it and, the more specil thing... she kept binding her hair in multiple ways. If you google [Differnent Ways to Bind Up Hair], there is a picture on Pinterest.

Anyways, I apologize for this wall of text, but my gut tells me that I will meet only one girl like this in the future and I have to be prepared, meaning build up my value. And I dont know what a girl like that wants, what kind of guy she wants for long term. Currently, provider value - I have a very good car, a prospective, stable job that I like with 10% above average pay and 20% higher than median of salaries, sexual value is almost non-existant I guess but sometimes I meet girls that show signs of attraction so I think it is not that bad, platonic value - I am kind, I can support emotionally very well, low key, I can draw very well.

If you read all this, thank you for your time and have a nice day.


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You'll meet more girls like her. Sounds like you're still in school / just about to graduate? The world is quite different out of school... you will find much of the melodrama you feel and experience in school fades away out in the real world. Women come along, you meet them, and the supply of girls who are the sorts of girls you like is not as limited as you might have thought (well, it depends somewhat on location, too; some places have lots of the girls you like, some not so many or hardly any).

Your focus in this comment is almost entirely on you. Qualities you have, qualities you don't have, etc. There's a little about this one special Alice Eve girl and that you don't feel like you know what she wants, even though she seemed to enjoy your presence.

Thing about women is they do not much care about 'you'. They care about what you can make them feel. You may have none of the qualities on paper a woman says she wants, but if you can make her feel good feelings and sexual excitement and permission to indulge in her desires with you, you will get her. Then, after that, if you can make her feel comfortable and approved of and enjoyed and desired and pleased, she will continue to see you for so long as you like. Her on-paper desires for what qualities a man should possess and what things he should do are irrelevant. The only thing that matters (at least for seducing her and commencing a relationship with her) is how good you are at triggering the emotions she needs to go to bed and stick around with you.

This is the shift I think you need. Stop asking yourself whether you are what Woman X wants. Start asking yourself what Woman X wants to feel, and begin to look for ways to create that experience for her. Once you begin to focus your energies on this, you will find your worries about whether you are 'enough' or 'a fit' go away, and women will become progressively more attracted to and willing around you.

Also, I suggest you focus on flirting, talking with, and seducing other women around you, even if they aren't your ideal. These women will serve as 'practice'. Though, odds are, as you go, you will stumble into more and more of your 'type' of girl, purely by accident.

Further reading (you've likely already read these, but just in case):


student's picture

Great troubleshooting article. Massive info for anyone. And as always great writing and insight.

To recap, our eight (8) most common reasons why your approach just isn’t working are:

Your vibe is wrong
You spam approach
You don’t approach enough
You don’t tailor yourself to the women you want
You lack a clear ‘woman goal’
You don’t close
You mix and match methods
You go too extreme

If you’re hitting a wall, go through these and find which ones plague you. If you’re like most guys, you will almost certainly find multiple ones plaguing you. You may even find three or four or five of these are problems of yours.

This was just right on the money. counted six for me :D so there is a lot to work to do. So let's get the snowball rolling first and getting that momentum and drive. When those add "revs" everything is easier. :D

SZ's picture

With playfulness chase, doesn't that make you look soft at times?

My style is more playful than serious, but I get girls that say I'm soft. Should I be more serious with these type of women?

And for life in general, how do I get rid of this soft vibe?

People think they can just talk shit to me on the sly. Like why idk.

I read your article on edge and respect and have applied it, but I still get it.

I'm a big dude, but will be putting more muscle on.

What you think I can do to have people afraid to make smart comments to me, or not even think of fuckin with me, while not scaring anyone away or looking try hard?

T's picture

I can understand it I was this way myself. No problem to play with words no problem with witty comments but it didnt work....... I got reactions but no results.... and then from one day of the next I decided to continue this way, but to be bold as brass sometimes.... and it is still playful but now I have also results.....
The other day I had a talk with a lesbian girl ( at that time I didn't know it ;-) ). I can't remember what the reason was (we both were a little bit tippsy) but during the conversation I said to her: The way to the heart of a woman runs through her vagina. Geez...... to cut a long story short: when we left she agreed to a date and she appeared..

Chase Amante's picture


Terrific comment from T.

Only thing I'll add, SZ, is that I bet you didn't do what's in this article yet:

I remember talking to a fairly senior member of our forum a few years back. And he mentioned how he thought he'd jumped directly to the stage beyond being an asshole.

And I said, oh, that's pretty cool. So are you comfortable saying things you know will piss people off or really offend them? And he said oh no, no. I wouldn't do that. And I said okay. Well are you fine giving people hard "no"s when they ask for things you don't want to give them, and largely feel unpressured by others trying to get stuff from you? And he said no, it's hard for me to say no sometimes, and I do feel pressure to say yes.

So I said okay. You didn't pass this stage yet, because you still haven't learned to do these things yet. Go back, read the article, go be an asshole for a while, THEN once you are comfortable going for what you want and telling people no and being a complete jerk, and it doesn't bother you to do these things, you can tone it back down again and be more 'nice'.

Same advice for you here. You will never leave this plateau until you spend 5 to 6 months being the kind of straight up asshole I laid out in that article. Do it.

Or, if you don't want to do it, I don't have any other advice, because there's only one path to where you're trying to get to, and it leads directly through the Land of Assholes.


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