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When Girls Love Bomb You But Lie

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When Girls Love Bomb You But LieYou’re seeing a girl who acts SO into you, so DEVOTED… but then you find out she lied. Why would a girl so into you she BOMBED you with LOVE be lying?

Over on the forum, we had a member who settled into a relationship with a girl who won him over with love bombs. She seemed like such a good girlfriend candidate! Among other things, she:

  • Constantly FaceTImed him any day she wasn’t with him.
  • Would even fall asleep at night talking to him on the phone.
  • Rushed to his place every chance she got to sleep with / talk to him.
  • Pledged never to talk to other guys romantically.
  • Went out of her way to make sure he wouldn’t “wander off.”

At last, he asked this loving girl to be his girlfriend – and she agreed.

Happily ever after, right?

Except, one day our hero felt a “strong urge” to check his girlfriend’s phone – just to see if all she’d been telling him was true.

Well, spoiler, but it wasn’t. During the time she’d claimed to have cut off contact with all other suitors, she:

  1. Was in fact flirting with guys – not just random guys, but guys she “used to sleep with.”
  1. In addition to flirting with these men, she was also (during this time she claimed not to be talking to other guys romantically) sending these guys naked pictures of herself!

When our forum member, after discovering this, probed her for more details (without letting on that he knew), asking her if she was in contact with any of her old hookups, she gave him a firm denial. Our forum member, reeling at her deception, then said

And now all my anxieties about being monogamous are coming back and it’s making me feel so shitty. I can tell it’s bad because I couldn’t get hard much last night as we fucked and I just blamed it on being sick. I constantly feel nauseous and can’t get the thoughts out of my mind. I’m constantly scared that the relationship will end now that I know that all these guys were around and I can’t confront her about it due to how I found out and honestly, I don’t even want to because it’s just gonna make me come off as controlling. I wouldn’t have been as bothered if she was honest about it because we were obviously not official. With the relationship being this fresh, I don’t even want to cause much drama already and idk I have a feeling that maybe they’ll all just fall off down the line as the relationship progresses. Maybe I took too long to make it official. It would have been a different case if I made her my girlfriend last year and she had this communication with them.

It’s not helping that lately she’s hinted a few times that our relationship feels a bit too easy like we are so in sync. I try to sprinkle in some uncertainty and do new stuff with her so that boredom doesn’t creep in too early but knowing what I know now kinda makes that “it’s a bit too easy” comment worsen my anxiety.

Why did this girl feel compelled to keep texting – and sexting – her prior flings, even as she love bombed our hero, and at the same time flat-out lied to our hero’s face by claiming she’d cut contact with all other suitors? Is he right to think that this will just “fall off down the line as the relationship progresses”? Did he, indeed, “take too long to make it official”? Perhaps he should have acceded to her love bombs earlier and all this could’ve been avoided. Why does his girlfriend keep hinting that the relationship feels “too easy” though (especially if it’s the case that it “took too long”)?

What does it mean when women love bomb you, and lie?

Tactics Tuesdays: When Girls Say You're Too Old

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when girls say you're too oldWhen a girl tells you you’re too old for her, she can really mean it… or it might be a test. How you respond depends on how firm her age gap objection is.

A forum member shared a conversation recently with a girl he met at a party, vibed well with, and took a phone number from… who then protested when he messaged her that he was “kinda too old” for her.

He responded in typical guy fashion, trying to get her to explain her reasoning and then negotiate her out of it. She responded how people typically respond to people trying to convince or persuade them, by sticking to her guns harder. Needless to say, our hero did not get the date.

What can you do if a girl protests you’re “too old” for her?

Are you doomed… or does it depend?

Calibrating Your Social Frame: Matching Venues & Individuals

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social frame calibrationYour social frame is how well you fit into a given venue or environment. Do you match it – or do you seem out of place? The better you calibrate, the easier it becomes to excel socially.

Hey guys. Today I'll discuss social frame-the social dimension of seduction. Social frame is the underlying social meaning of the interaction between you and the people you interact with, given their sociocultural background. We can define social frame by one's sociocultural identity, expressed during interactions with others. This generates the social frame.

From my past article on social frame:

What is a social frame?

It is a term coined by master pick-up artist Gunwitch (Allen Reyes) in his product Seduction MMA (still one of the best products out there for advanced guys). My interpretation of his definition of a social frame is that it is a frame that covers everything related to the "social" or the "social aspect" in an interaction, or more precisely, in a seduction.

What Is a Social Frame?

Social frame in this context is about conveying that you appear, on a social level, as the type of guy a girl usually hooks up with.

This helps ease the opening process because a girl will be less hostile as you are a guy who is "okay" to talk with socially in her environment. It also smoothens the hooking process because you gain rapport: she is familiar with guys socially similar to you and realizes that men like you are cool and sexy. Most importantly, she will allow herself to have sex with you because it feels okay according to her social frame. Also, her friends will likely accept you if you match their social frame because they think you are high value and safe.

You can make women intrigued and interested in you without worrying about social frame, but it will be challenging - it is much easier when the social frame factor is in place. Arousing a girl when the social frame is off may lead to female state control (FSC), and she may back off despite being aroused to control her state. She will not allow herself to let go and get carried away because she is unsure whether you are a safe lover or a suitable man for her socially.

Social frame is crucial.

Over the years, I have neglected much discussion of social frame. I have covered subjects relating to it that communicate and amplify social frame, like:

But today, let's explore what you should know about social frame.

Tactics Tuesdays: When Girls You Approach Get Distracted

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what to do when a girl you talk to gets distractedWhen you talk to a girl, but she gets distracted and points something else out, what’s the best way to respond? There’s a right way – and some wrong ones.

Commenting under last week’s Tactics Tuesdays installment, on “no spirals”, a reader asks:

Hi Chase,

I have a question, you may can help. I noticed in two of my recent flirts, that I was talking to a girl, and in the situation I came in indirect, but I gave a vibe of romantic interest (not direct statement, but some very light flirting). I noticed both times, we were talking and the girl suddenly starts to say „oh, look how cute this dog is“ or „look, this kid is so cute“. I felt this was „off“, and I even felt a bit „platonic“, however it also felt like she is a girlfriend telling her boyfriend that she finds something cute, so its a VERY mixed signal for me. On the one hand, it kind of infuses too much cuteness and platonic feelings for a flirt, on the other hand, it is some kind of a submission. Do you know these situations and know what to make of them?

Thank you

The quick summary is he’s made some approaches on girls where the girls interrupted to comment on something cute nearby (kid, dog). He wasn’t sure how to respond. Agree? Ignore? Tell a story about your own experiences with kids, dogs, or whatever the cute thing is?

Before we discuss the best response, first let’s talk about what you’re feeling and why it FEELS like the conversation is in danger of veering into ‘platonic friend’ territory.

How to Pick Up Social Circle Girls at Bars & Parties

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how to pick up social circle girls via nightlifeWhen you run into a girl you know socially at a bar, club, or party, you may want to pick her up. But first, you must check whether conditions are RIPE…

This article was inspired by a recent forum thread. In it, our forum member knew a girl through social circle who seemed to like him. She’d give him ‘strong eye contact’ and ‘a little smile’ each time he saw her, but he never spoke to her, and she stopped showing up in his social circle.

Later on, he found her at a bar she bartended at. Here’s what happened:

In a bar we made a little chit-chat and she was really happy when we talked. But it was too loud there for long conversation, too many people and she was really busy. So I decided to ask her out, well because that was maybe my only chance. She blew me off.

We haven’t talked since then, but I occasionally see how she stares at me.

Maybe I overthink things.

The truth was, he’d declined to chat her up in a safe venue (the social circle) and opted for a much riskier one (the bar she bartended at, while she was busy and on the clock). That was the biggest mistake.

But it isn’t always a mistake to pick up on social circle girls at bars and parties. Sometimes it backfires. But sometimes it helps! Sometimes the girl who’s ambivalent toward you in social circle may be forward and uninhibited with you when you encounter her in nightlife. Other times it’s the opposite – girls who really liked you in social circle go ice cold with you in nightlife.

The difference is understanding which are safe ways to pick up girls from your social circle at bars and parties, versus which are risky ways to do so.

When to Stay in a Nightlife Venue vs. When to Go

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stay in a nightlife venue or leave it?Some bars and nightclubs are worth remaining in. Some are not. To decide which, you must consider the variables: vibe, crowdedness, sex-ratio, and more.

Hey guys and welcome back.

Decision-making is under-discussed and making the right decision while in a venue can make your seduction successful. A bad one can kill it. And you will often need to make quick decisions.

This post covers decision-making during night game: whether you should stay in the venue or leave. It's similar to choosing the wrong girl to commit to and seeing your results go downhill (see 4 Signs a Girl Can Be Picked Up THAT Night). Some decisions you make are crucial, like selecting the right venue (Picking Up Girls: Selecting the Right Venue). You typically choose a venue based on past positive experiences there. Perhaps you know the venue, the crowd, and how to run it, and you enjoy being there, but when you return another night, it's a less-than-positive experience, and you may need to venue change.

But the grass is always greener somewhere else, right? Sometimes, changing venues may not be the best idea, even if the venue is suboptimal that night.

So, today, we will discuss the different variables that should be considered when deciding whether to stay or change venues.

A few things to keep in mind before we begin:

  • If you leave a venue, do not come back that night. It looks bad, and you do not want to look bad at a venue where you are a regular.

  • Venue changing is easier if alternative venues are nearby, and they should be venues you know (as discussed in my recent post on finding venue clusters). Use this as an opportunity to find new venues.

Tactics Tuesdays: Telling Girls "You're Blowing It with Me"

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you're blowing it with meWhen a girl is laughing a lot but also blocking you from moving forward, what do you do? Simple enough: you tell her she’s blowing it – and WAKE her up!

Here’s a tidy little kit of banter lines you can use to enliven the dynamic with a girl.

Sometimes you’ll get a girl where there’s a good playful/flirtatious vibe with, who is also testing you a lot or being resistant to your moves. There are different reasons this may be:

  • She likes you but is treating it too much like “a game.”

  • She likes you but is self-conscious due to people around.

  • She likes you but not enough to go past flirtation.

You can get stuck in a loop here, continuing the playful banter, going nowhere. But then you aren’t moving forward, the banter gets stale, and the girl gets bored and leaves.

You can eject and go talk to other girls. If you’re somewhere social or it’s social circle, perhaps you’ll run into this girl again. If you’re texting her or it’s online dating, maybe she’ll be easier to crack the next time you talk to her.

Or, perhaps if you eject now, that’ll be all she wrote – you won’t get another real shot with her again.

What you can do INSTEAD – to get yourself unstuck from that loop, flip the frame on her, and avoid having to hit ‘eject’ – is to tell the girl she’s blowing it with you, and put the pressure on HER to get things moving.

Even Sweet Nice Conservative Girls Are Dirty Sexual Deviants

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dirty girlsFemale sexuality is different from male. While men want more partners, women want deeper (and quite often DIRTIER) experiences with those men they accept.

It couldn’t possibly be… nice girls are just nice, right? They couldn’t POSSIBLY be dirtier than men are!

We had a comment from a reader on my article about girls acting loose and slutty saying he thinks men are actually the dirtier, more sexual sex (after I stated the opposite).

There’s a big misconception here a lot of men have because they see “the male desire to have sex faster, with less information, with more partners, held to generally lower standards” and conflate that with ‘dirty sexual urges’.

But male sexuality is DIFFERENT from female sexuality, in some very KEY ways – and this is one of them.

When I say women are dirtier, naughtier, and more sexually deviant than men are, I am not talking about number of partners desired or lack of standards. Sure, if we talk about that, men in general are going to win out: dudes want to get it on with more partners on average than chicks do (though many exceptions abound for both sexes).

No, I am talking about something else.

How to Open a Girl Who's Moving

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how to open a girl who's movingMoving girls are everywhere. Most men will never try approaching them. Yet there are numerous ways to meet these girls – and open them successfully.

You’re walking down the street and you see a beautiful girl. Her hair, her clothes, her walk, her body – it’s all just amazing. However, she’s walking. You cannot think of a good way to meet her… and so, you let her walk by.

How many beautiful girls have you simply WALKED BY over the course of your life? How many of them could have become your lovers… girlfriends… the future mother of your children… if only you’d just said “Hello”?

In this article, I’ll lay out the dos, don’ts, and strategies to use when opening girls who are moving. First we’ll talk about some of the girls you’ll meet when you start opening girls who’re on the move – then after that, I’ll give you the nitty gritty on how to open a girl who’ve moving.

Let’s go.

The Purity Gambit: Open Up Sexual Topics in a Surprising Way

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TEXTThe Purity Gambit introduces sexual topics in a way few women expect: by discussing purity. But we don’t mean chastity! We mean purity of another kind…

Hey guys. I hope you are doing well.

You may remember a recent post of mine about social observations and how the sexual market has changed. Everything changes, although rarely drastically; it changes enough that we can tweak our game while maintaining our framework. We usually don't need to make extreme changes, which is good.

I pointed to gambits focusing on lowering anti-slut defense (ASD), women's defense mechanism that allows them to reject or resist sexual advances to preserve their reputation, so others don't label them as sluts. These gambits often have fewer effects in more sexually liberated Western societies.

Those gambits still work, although less powerfully. Women still fear the slut label subconsciously, and society still has a somewhat sex-negative attitude toward sex, at least deep down. Today, it has a different form (radical feminism).

That said, the idea of being a sexually free woman correlates with more modern ideals of liberal feminism and being a strong, independent woman. Whether or not we agree with these ideals is up to each of us, but as discussed in my previous posts, we can use this to our advantage to create great gambits.

And this is true with today's gambit.

I wrote this gambit quickly as a forum post a while ago, but since it works remarkably well today, I decided to rewrite it, adding more details and tweaks to make it more powerful. I discuss more of the mechanisms below. You are welcome to read my forum post, which contains a discussion between me and several posters: Sex Talk: The Purity Gambit.