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Intermediates can get dates and are beginning to have some level of social success

Lay Report: Girl Offers “5 Date System” (LOL)

Skilled Seducer's picture
lay report: 5-date systemIn this report by NarrowJ, a girl met out shopping offers her “5 Date System.” But can NarrowJ lay her in just a fraction of that time? He can & does!

This report was originally posted by NarrowJ on the forum here.


Around 3 PM yesterday I saw a super hot looking little brunette trying on shoes in Macy’s. Walked over and hovered a bit by a rack of sunglasses, pretending to browse them until I could tell she was almost done with the shoes.

I catch her looking at me a couple times.

The first time she turned away quickly, the second time she smiled shyly and looked down. I don’t even walk over to her, I'm about 15 feet away from her and turn in her direction and say "Hey there" and she looks in my direction like she doesn’t know who just said it, and once she realizes it was me I say with a smile: "Come here when you're done over there."

She nods and smiles, hurries up and finishes what she’s doing and walks over.

Sex Talk Tonality: How to Use Your Voice During Sex Talk

Alek Rolstad's picture
sex talk tonalityWhat voice tone should you use when you talk to women about sex? Guys often get it wrong, talking too excited – but you’ll usually want normal tonality, not eager.

Hi everyone, and welcome back.

Those of you who read this blog know that my signature technique is sex talk. Talking about sex is a safe and rejection-free way to set a sexual frame. This helps convey that you are a safe and good lover (sexual prizing).

The idea is NOT to be direct and “say what you want to do to her,” as many imagine when hearing the term “sex talk,” but rather to talk about sexuality and related topics as any other subject to make the interaction about sex (set a sexual frame). The girl you are talking with will realize that you know what you are doing in bed without explicitly showing any particular interest in her, as this can trigger resistance and perhaps even a rejection (it becomes too much too quick for her).

I have discussed this in-depth at in “Sleazy Sexy Talk vs. Sexy Sex Talk: What’s the Difference?

You may also check out my forum post, which compiles all the sex talk articles and more. These include every theoretical post about sex talk, how to talk about sex in a safe and non-creepy way, calibrating sex talk, how to transition into it, as well as many different gambits and examples.

I have not yet written a post on voice tonality and sex talk. Better late than never; here it is!

The Player Paradox: Why You Get Worse with Girls as You Get Better

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TEXTOnce you reach a certain level with women, you encounter a new snag: girls like you, but are skeptical of you. To move past this, you’ll need to shed the mantle of “The Player.”

As you become more experienced with women, you will see better results.

More girls give you approach invitations, and they enjoy your approaches. They give you their number and go on a date with you. They sleep with you quickly. And it’s a great feeling when you level up. But it’s not all harems and orgasms. There will be a time that you hit a wall.

You’ll start to see some odd things happen:

  • Girls will give you signals and flirt, but then they’ll disappear once you begin the seduction and even after you believe you hit the hook point.

  • She won’t respond to your first text, even though she was all over you when you first met.

  • She will respond to your texts but is elusive when you try to set up a date. Although she responds with warmth and affection in her text, she always seems too busy to meet.

  • The girls you go on dates with will be flirty but on-guard. You might make out with her, but when you try to get her home, it feels like you are trying to sell oil to a Saudi prince.

  • Girls will react well, or you receive cold and bitchy responses. You experience very polarizing reactions.

These strange, counterintuitive results will pile up, and your confidence may plummet. You might begin to slide backward and have less success than when you were less experienced.

Girls will start to reject you outright. Then, your results will nosedive. You might get occasional successes, but you’ve hit a slump.

What’s going on? You’re better than that! You’re the man.

Well, if you really were the man, you’d know what’s going on and fix this problem (or never have it in the first place). You have some work to do if you want to get better. So, what’s the issue?

You’ve stumbled upon The Player Paradox (I need to trademark and copyright this phrase because it’s genius).

Sex Talk Gambit: Independent Woman

Alek Rolstad's picture
independent woman gambitIn this simple-to-run sex talk gambit, easily transition into sex topic with a topic every woman loves to discuss: strong, independent women.

Hi guys, welcome back. Today, it is time for a sex-talk gambit.

Gambit posts are examples of themes I use that have been extensively and successfully field-tested. This post provides examples of how to deliver a sex-talk gambit, the independent woman gambit, followed by an analysis of why it works.

I’ll describe the gambit and then present an example. Feel free to word it to suit you. I will likely not word the gambit the same way presented here the next time I go out. In field, I remember the theme and key moments and will freestyle, keeping in mind the different mechanisms happening in my setting. By doing so, I can calibrate as factors come into play or, even better, find ways to accentuate them.

To be clear, even though I do not repeat the gambit exactly as presented here, chances are that I am likely to deliver something along the lines of what I describe below. Your version may differ slightly.

Aside from wording the gambit to your style, you can take this (and any other gambit) as inspiration to create a gambit covering similar themes. You could even use different themes using the same mechanisms or try different mechanisms using this theme. So, field test and see what works.

The idea is that this gambit:

  • Conveys that you are skilled in bed or that you are knowledgeable about women and sexuality

  • Communicates that you are a safe lover and have a good understanding of sex’s implications for women (slut-shaming, pregnancy risks, etc.)

  • May arouse her (if you choose to be more explicit)

If you score favorably on a few factors, this may be a good gambit. Only extensive field testing will give a clear answer about whether it works. If it works but not as well as you’d hope, see if there are ways you can tweak it.

How to Never Get Flaked Again: A Guide to Investment and Qualification

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never get flaked on againIf you chat up girls and win them over, only to have them flake on the date later, you were missing a few things: investment, qualification, + 2 more.

This post originally appeared on the forum here.


I straight up got nothing but flakes for about 8 months straight.

I was going mad. What the fuck was wrong?

I was doing everything right.

All the infields looked exactly like my sets.

There was ALMOST nothing that really went in depth about this.

Just crumbs and incomplete theories.

A bunch of loose ends.

Now...

I. Never. Get. Flaked.

It just doesn't happen.

If I run the set well and in my mind, I'm not gonna get flaked, I never do.

I completely fixed this problem, that "floating/not real set" issue completely.

I also helped many people fix this in my local area and I'll share the info with you.

I'll fix this once and for all.

(PS: I'm sorry for that one exception out of a thousand girls that lost her mother in a camp fire later that day, got drunk, got back with her ex, cried herself to insanity when she sobered up and hung herself to end her misery and thus couldn't text you back. "She just wasn't into you, bro. You have the wrong skin-color.")

Giving a Girl the Archetypal Romance

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giving her the archetypal romanceWomen fantasize about a type of ‘archetypal romance’. They read stories about it; they dream of it. As a man, you can give women just such a romance, too.

We have a thread on the forum where we’ve discussed how to better write female characters. It started with a discussion on how poorly written most modern female characters are (with them basically being written as “men with breasts and zero character development”), then discussing better-written female characters.

Recently, that thread revived, with a discussion now centered on archetypal female characters. I weighed in with some examples of variations on an archetypal female character progression:

  1. Heroine is either single or dating a boring guy who is pressing her for commitment.

  1. Heroine then meets an exciting scoundrel and begins to fall in love.

  1. Heroine realizes the scoundrel is “no good” and pushes him away… yet misses him.

  1. The scoundrel redeems himself and the heroine rushes back into his arms.

  1. Heroine transforms scoundrel into a dependable mate. Happily ever after; fade to black.

We might title this character arc ‘taming the untamed man’. It fits well with what we’ve discussed before on the female prerogative to tame males.

Today I’d like to talk a little about this archetypal romance – and how you can construct for a girl you’re seeing a similar adventure that creates a deep and fulfilling romantic story for her.

Tactics Tuesdays: Touch Tests

Chase Amante's picture
touch testsNot sure if a girl you’re talking to is into you? Want to find out a quick, fun, and easy way? Use a touch test! It’s like a compliance test – with touch!

All right, let’s have a little fun with this Tactics Tuesdays installment.

Today we’re going to talk about ‘touch tests’ of all sorts, from harmless to risqué.

What is a touch test? It is a kind of compliance test where the compliance you test for is her receptiveness to your touch. These tests run the full gamut from light incidental touches to slapping girls’ butts, manhandling their breasts, and pulling their hair.

See, I told you it went all the way up to ‘risqué’.

To use anything more than very light touch tests, you’re going to need a healthy helping of calibration. But there’s one other thing you need to use ANY kind of touch test, too: congruence.

Post-Field Diagnostics: More Variables

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more variables to consider in your post-field diagnosticsAs you analyze your outings once you are out of the field, don’t forget these additional variables: the social frame of the venue, your mood, and more.

Hey guys and welcome back.

For the last two weeks, we have been talking about post-field diagnostics. This process involves analyzing our night, to reconstruct and evaluate it to determine what we did, why we did it, and what impact it had. Our goal is to understand the events that occurred, identify what was done correctly and what wasn't, understand why they happened, and decide what steps to take in the future to improve the outcome.

In my first installment, I reviewed the basics of post-field diagnostics-what it is and when to do it. Last week, I covered the most critical factors: analyzing the interaction and the social context, and ruling out possible external factors.

It's important to master the material from the previous two weeks while keeping in mind that today's variables may still be relevant. These variables are overarching and add an additional layer of analysis that can take your post-field diagnostics to the next level.

The three variables are:

  1. #1 Venue culture and social dynamics - Did you fit in? Did you calibrate to the overall vibe and culture there?

  2. #2 Venue strategy - Did you apply the correct strategy for the venue?

  3. #3 Your mood - How did your mood affect your results and strategic choices?

Let's go through each variable.

Tactics Tuesdays: Waving Girls Over

Chase Amante's picture
open new girls by waving them overWhen you’re in a venue where you cannot easily approach, you have another option: wave her over. By beckoning girls to you, you change the dynamic.

Commenting on my article about how to open a girl who’s moving, TheDude asks about opening in a very particular sort of venue:

There's this one hyper-cool venue, where all the best cool chicks go. The characteristics:
-a lot of hot women, around 50/50 women-men ratio
-the venue is an outdoor bar, ofter very crowded
-people come here in groups, they sit down by the tables - difficult to make a move here because you need to open whole group + often there's no spot to seat (making you an outsider)
-they only moment you can talk to these chicks freely is when they move from point A to B. The window to act is very short, making things even more difficult
-I'm quite known in my city, so I can't spam approach and I need to minimize negative effects of potential rejection

I'm over 30, I've done some crazy women-related shit, but now I prefer sniper game approach - minimal effort, maximum effect. I'm good with women in general, but in this venue I feel blocked.

The tap & beckon sound good for chicks that walk very close to me, are there any tactics for chicks moving outside of my reach? Should I run after them? What should I say to spark enough interest, but make it look low-effort? Or maybe I should wait for her to join her group and open them (yikes)?

This kind of situation – where everyone is seated at tables with their social groups and there really are not many great opportunities to just bump into people – lends itself less well to approaching. However, if you’re willing to be creative, you’ve got options:

  • You can post up at the bar or near the bathrooms (or, if the venue has one, in the smoking lounge) and meet women as they drift in.

  • You can run super sociable extrovert-style game where you open people at the tables around you, then jump to their tables, then after chatting with them a bit open the tables adjacent to them. All the while you can be introducing the people between tables and creating a real lively time.

  • You can do the good ol’ fashioned “hostess, send a drink to that lovely brunette two tables over in the green dress and let her know it’s on me” and give her the sly nod when the hostess delivers the drink and points you out to her. If she seems excited or intrigued, wait a moment, then go open her.

However, for my money, the most Law of Least Effort-abiding way to open girls in situations like these is this: you catch a girl’s eye and wave her over.

It’s a dead simple tactic. It’s supremely confident. And when it works, it starts you off in an ideal frame.

Important Variables of Post-Field Diagnostics

Alek Rolstad's picture
key variables in post-field diagnosticsAfter a night (or day) out in the field, you need to review your outing to see what worked – and didn’t. Focus on these key variables for the biggest improvements.

Hey guys and welcome back.

Last week, I discussed post-field diagnostics, the assessment you conduct after an outing to pinpoint mistakes and highlight positive moves that help your interaction.

Why should you invest your time in post-field diagnostics? The answer is simple-it's a surefire way to maximize learning from each outing and boost your success rate. As you become better at post-field diagnostics, your progress will soar. You'll develop a profound understanding of pickup and seduction, women, and social dynamics over time. This knowledge will empower you to calibrate, leading to better performance in-field: you intuitively know what to do and when. You'll become adept at strategic calibration, macro-calibration, meso-calibration, and micro-calibration.

In a nutshell, you will become a better seducer.

Last time, we went through the purposes and perspectives of post-field assessment. We ended with a checklist:

  1. What happened? Re-visualize the outing and specific interactions.

  1. What did you do? Think about each interaction phase and what you did.

  1. How did she react? Good or bad? Did it work or not?

  1. What worked? And what didn't? What caused her to react poorly? What made her respond well?

  1. Why did it work, or why not? Why did she react positively or negatively to what you did?

  1. How could you have damage-controlled a poor reaction? How could you have made a good reaction better? Are there other moves you should have made?

  1. Is there anything you could have done differently?

  1. Were there external factors that may have affected the outcome? (More on this next week).

Today, I will expand this list. I will provide three dimensions to consider when using this assessment.