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The 5 Ways to Answer a Challenge in Social Situations

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In Sunday's article on how to be smooth, Walls made the following comment:

I truly appreciate all the work you do breaking this down, Chase. It would be so easy to just own this info you learned from years of trial and error and just monopolize it. I was thinking about smoothness in conflict due to this life-changing post and it got me thinking: when do you let comments/threats/faux paus/annoyances roll down your back, and when do you actually put opposers in their place? And what is the best way to ignore when people make fauxpas, such as the ones in your article "Faux Pas of the Social Neveaux." (maybe more faux pas listed too?)

He's talking about two things here, but the two are in many ways one and the same:

  1. When someone is standing in opposition to you, accusing you, or insulting you

  2. When someone is making social mistakes around you and creating awkward or disadvantageous situations for you

That is, in other words, when someone is making things challenging for you. And he is asking the question "How do you answer a challenge?"

answer a challenge

It's a good question, because it has an answer that can go a variety of ways. Do you remain unreactive to it - and potentially let the challenge eat your chances alive? Or do you challenge your challenger back, and potentially lose your cool - and the girl you were most interested in?

This is a question without a readily apparent simple answer... and sometimes those are the questions we like most on this site. How do you answer a challenge, anyway?

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Paolo's picture

Buongiorno, Chase. Come stai? This article is very good-- fantastic connection between status and challengers. Unfortunately, alcohol seems to play a large role in this. I've most frequently been approached by drunk guys at discotecas... best to ignore them, they're not thinking clearly and things can escalate FAST. Fighting is just really negative anyways.

If I can ask a question, I'd like to know more about blocking out popular television, music, movies- just mass media in general. It seems like the "average guy" is everywhere we look, and it becomes ingrained in my mind. I'm used to seeing that dumb guy during the football commercial eating pizza on the couch with his average buddies, dressed in average clothes probably from the Gap, with an impossibly hot lady standing in the room that he has no absolutely idea how to talk to (he may grunt at her, or wave his hands meaning bring more chicken wings and go away). At home, we laugh because he is a moron. However, it is like society EXPECTS men to behave this way.

I'm trying to re-program my brain and get away from all the societal cliché mumbo jumbo. How do you recommend doing so, from both a psychological and technical stand point? Is it wise to stop watching tv, listening to radio music, etc? Seeing/hearing all of this repeatedly cannot be good for my development as a seducer and a powerful, charming man.

Saluto,
Paolo

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Chase Amante's picture

Hey Paolo,

Yes, my recommendation is you do just that - kill TV, kill radio, etc. Movies are still okay, you just have to be more cognizant of what you're watching when you watch it. e.g., you start realizing that a lot of movies are about a "nice guy" whose life sucks until something magical happens to him, then suddenly he has beautiful women and adventure and the life he's always dreamed about.

But it doesn't happen that way in real life - nothing magical happens; you either slave and slog away to make it happen or you keep living an unsatisfying life. You can watch a movie and understand this, but with TV and commercials or radio everything's switching so fast you don't have much time to reflect - instead, you just absorb the message without questioning it and are overwhelmed.

A few years off from TV and radio, you'll find you have zero desire to return to it when you try and plug back in. The right TV show can be somewhat addicting, but you know it's a vapid kind of addiction - it adds nothing to your life, and only takes away from it (free time, free will). And the REST of the stuff on TV and radio... it's just annoying and off-putting, and clearly there to cater to the unthinking, unquestioning masses out there.

Really, when you think about it - do you think movie stars, or big shot politicians, or wealthy business magnates, or anyone who's a "success" spends much time in front of the television? Seems silly to think about it that way, right? They have too much to do. TV is there to fill the dead time for average people who have nothing else to do with their time and need to be hypnotized into believing their lives will improve someday, when some lucky strike occurs for them.

The further you get from TV and radio, the faster you'll find you improve, and the more control you'll find you have over your own thoughts, feelings, and impressions about the world.

Chase

Paolo's picture

Thanks so much for the reply. I'm going to cut it all out- spare a few good movies here and there.

Do you have the same thoughts about music with lyrics? I was thinking soundtrack music would be cool to start listening to instead. You've mentioned Tron Legacy before and I love that. Any other suggestions? If you think about it, most music these days is about a guy loosing a girl or other over-emotional, vapid info.

It's amazing to think how all this stuff effects our minds subconsciously!

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Chase Amante's picture

In fact, we just had a discussion about this one in the comments section of the threats and opportunities post a few days back - here's the specific thread:

Thread with Question and Responses on Music

Check it out for my recommendations on music and those of Franco, a pretty solid guy with women who's also the head moderator for the new forum.

Cheers,
Chase

Anonymous's picture

A show I like is NCIS. The guy I like is Agent Gibbs. To me, he's a man's man. Dominant, in control, a bit of a bad-boy, and oh yeah, he gets women.

Pellaeon's picture

Very helpful article, thanks.

I have a few questions: could you go into more detail on how you construct a "Meta it" response? The examples you gave don't really offer me a clear direction on how I would improvise one on the spot.

Also, I know that a conventional PUA response to a challenge is to "Agree & Amplify." For example:

Woman: You're such an asshole!

Me: It's true. In fact, when I woke up this morning, I said to myself "How can I make your life miserable?"

Is there a particular reason you did not include this tactic? Have you found it unreliable in certain situations?

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Chase Amante's picture

Hi Pellaeon,

Using meta-frames is about pointing out the frame above the frame. Most people want to talk about you and them; instead, you go over their heads and talk about what EVERYONE does. Conversely, you can also point out what they are doing that they don't realize.

The examples I used in-article were about discussing what was happening across people in general. An example about a specific person might be saying to the guy, "What's actually happening here is that you saw me talking to a girl that you like, and you decided you'd come over and see if you could intervene and either make me feel intimidated and leave, or make her feel disgusted and leave, and that way YOU could end up with the girl and I'd be off somewhere doing something else. Except you did it in an awkward way that only makes you look bad, and makes me look kind of good if you're working this hard to try and discredit me, and you're PROBABLY better off just biding your time, hoping I don't succeed with Anna, and then trying your hand with her again later."

Improvising this on the spot is difficult until you train yourself to think this way... you've got to go places and routinely meta things to yourself internally until it's something you do naturally. That is, you go to places and explain to yourself mentally what everyone is doing at higher and higher levels. Once you think this way, then you get yourself in the habit of talking this way to people during a challenge. It blows them out of the water and/or impresses them... but it's challenging to start doing, and thus rather more "advanced."

On agree and amplify, I don't recommend that one these days because on a nuance level it buys into the girl's frame, which gives power to her and makes you look weaker. e.g., the asshole example, the guy's ACTUALLY communicating, "I'm not REALLY an asshole... I'm actually a really fun guy!" So she laughs, and feels more comfortable - he's harmless. Far better if he simply smiles and continues on with the conversation, ignoring it, and she gets excited at how nonchalant he was about the whole thing.

Cheers,
Chase

Nic's picture

Hey Chase

Very useful article, one question though. What would be the way to handle challenges when you are a woman's boyfriend/husband, you two went to a social gathering, and a man/woman verbally attacks your girl. What would be the best way to stick up for her?

Thanks,
Nick

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Chase Amante's picture

Hey Nick,

Tricky situation. It depends on the severity and form of the attack, and the kind of crowd it is; i.e., you need to speak in a "tone" that the crowd understands.

If it's a high class crowd, you must use wit and cunning to put the man down, e.g.:

Guy: Lisa is quite possibly the loosest woman we have present.

You: So says the man who hasn't been with a woman since the Republicans were in the White House [laughs].

If it's a high class crowd and you cause a stir without using subtlety, you'll be thought of as dim-witted and the other man looks stronger (and you reflect poorly on your girl).

However, if you're with a lower class crowd, such subtlety is mistaken for weakness, and you need to go with something more aggressive.

Guy: That girl Lisa's a complete slut.

You: Isn't it amazing how bitter people get about women who are out of their leagues?

Typically, you'll find that those who wield insults are also quite vulnerable to them. They use insults as a means of trying to elevate themselves through tearing down others, and are usually deathly afraid of being torn down themselves. You'll frequently cause them to become emotional and lose their cool when you return fire, and that makes them look weaker and more discredited to everyone around than anything else you could do.

If a guy is really laying into your girl - like, really attacking her, hard - typically you're best served to calmly tear him apart, and challenge him to a fight, no matter the crowd. e.g.,

Guy: Everyone knows Lisa is the dumbest, ugliest hag this side of the Prime Meridian. She's been with more men than a five-dollar whore, and probably has every STD known to man.

You: Bill, the only thing that matches your miniscule IQ is your complete lack of social compunction or your ability to relate with other human beings. Please join me outside, and let's settle this with our fists. We're either going to do it inside, or we're going to do it outside, and I'd rather we do it somewhere where we're not going to hit innocent bystanders by accident.

Typically the guy will back down, because he's a coward (which is why he's insulting a woman); you simply challenge him enough times ("No, really; let's go outside. I'm going to beat your ugly, pathetic face in before it spews out any further blind insults dredged up from the depths of your shrunken brain") and let him back down enough times that everyone realizes he's all talk and no walk.

The one common theme through all of these though is that you never defend the woman (e.g., "But Lisa is beautiful!" "But Lisa's only been with 3 men in her entire LIFE!"), because your objective is to move the focus OFF of Lisa and ON to Bill.

Get the focus on him, and get everyone laughing about how pathetic and weak he is, and they'll forget all about anything he said about your girl. And he probably won't say anything about her again, to boot.

Chase

Vaughn 's picture

Hey chase another great article!, I was just thinking about this because people always say something smart to me, men and women. It's like if they can find a problem on me they'll try to tear me down and it's always me vs 10 people for example so it's kind of hard to argue against that. I seen the examples you wrote at the end of the article it begins with because your too nice and everything else after that and I firmly believe that's why. So how can I fix what you wrote on that list
1.Too nice
2.Too willing to accept challenges from others
3.Too unwilling to dismiss others / make them look socially awkward when they're rank- or 4.territory-challenging you
5.Too uncomfortable
6.Too uncertain
7.Try Hard

And how can I stop the 10 against me scenario?
Sorry If I'm asking a lot of questions I just really like what you write and you give good advice that I will be 100% comfortable following. Thank you.

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Chase Amante's picture

Howdy Vaughn,

Not being "too nice" is about being a lot more firm and less "pleasing" to other people. See these articles for more on this one:

"10 against you" is a little vague, but I'm going to assume you mean someone says something, and everyone else jumps in and piles on. Usually you don't get people piling on against you unless you try to defend yourself. Generally speaking, you should NEVER try to defend yourself verbally ("No I don't!" "I'm not like that at all!" "But I DO do XYZ!"), because it's read as a sign of weakness and encourages others to jump in the fray and get their own status boosts by tearing you down.

Also, if this is a specific group of friends, it's typically best to cut this group off and find a new one if this has happened repeatedly. Once people sort out their roles in a group, those roles are "stuck;" e.g., when I was in middle school, I'd hang out with these nerdy kids who'd insult me and act like they were better than me. Meantime, the prettiest girls in school were asking me on dates (and ignoring these guys altogether), and the coolest guys in school were trying to talk to me and get me to come to their parties. Those nerdy kids were never going to reset their views of me in a thousand years, no matter how much anyone else liked me or how much I changed, so I eventually just announced to them that I was no longer hanging out with them or talking to them, and I cut them off. Sometimes, that's the only way to deal with people who get into a habit of putting you down (and with whom you get into a pattern of being put down by).

Cheers,
Chase

vaughn's picture

Thank you for the advice man, its just hard for me to accept challenges. What can I do to stop being uncertain and uncomfortable with confrontation and dismiss these people to get the respect I deserve?

ShotCalla's picture

Hey chase I just finished my second post on the boards and I can't wait to read the e-book, check my post out and tell me what you think, it's the step YOUR game up post. Great article by the way. I noticed that you wrote earlier in the article that a challenge a girl would give a guy is your not my type( race,height,weight,) how do you respond to that challenge?

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Chase Amante's picture

Hey ShotCalla,

Awesome, I'll take a look. I saw your last post, it was solid stuff. The bonus book is going out in about a week to everybody who's made at least 2 quality posts (that way we only have to go through the nearly 500 members on there once!), so keep your eyes peeled for it.

Re: challenges to race, height, weight, etc., simply follow the guidelines for challenges. e.g., ignore it if you can and simply proceed forward with the conversation, or dismiss it ("That's great. So why'd you switch majors then, if you blah blah"), or use any of the other answers - you can even meta it (e.g., "I saw a study where they took a group of men and women and had them sit down before a session of speed dating, and had each of them write down all the qualities they were looking for in someone they'd date. And then they did the actual speed dating session, and had everyone go around and all the men meet the women and all the women meet the men. And at the end, after everyone traded phone numbers with the people they liked, do you know how much correlation they found between what people THOUGHT they liked and what people ACTUALLY liked? [wait for her to guess or answer] None. There was zero correlation. The scientists found that no matter how certain people were about what they definitely liked or definitely didn't, it was all bullshit and didn't matter. [pause for effect] So why'd you switch majors then, if you blah blah").

Pick whichever one works best for you - and let it rip.

Best,
Chase

Anonymous's picture

This is my first time on the site. I'm enjoying reading all the great posts so far.

Question for you. Tons of people think I look a lot like attractive male lead singer from a popular band. You'd know who he was probably. Girls sometimes bring it up to me, but I'm never sure what to say. Any ideas on how to turn this into a distinctive positive, and use it to open with girls/get game? Thanks bro.

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Chase Amante's picture

Hey Anon,

Welcome to the site! Glad you're enjoying going through all the material.

When you get that one that you look like someone famous, it's best to be warmly self-deprecating there, as if a 5-year old just told you that, "Wow, you look just like He-Man!" or something else outlandish but well-meant. "Well, I have nowhere near his talent, unfortunately," you'd say, and then immediately move onto asking her about herself (deep diving, connection building, etc.). The reason you do that is because she's equating you to a celebrity - and celebrities are out of her league. So you make yourself more relatable, and then have her start telling you about herself, and she gets a bit of that jolt of having met a guy who's almost a celebrity, but is also a real, relatable human being and now he's getting to know her.

Chase

Anonymous's picture

I got the Facial hair down.
I was wondering what's your say on Hairstyles on different people and different ethnicities.

-Peace

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Chase Amante's picture

Hey Anon,

There's a lot to go into in hairstyles - I'll do a proper post on it sometime hopefully within the next month or two (big backlog of posts to get up these days).

Your surest solution is usually letting your hair grow out a bit, then finding the top fashion hairstylists in your town and heading to one of them. Usually you'll be paying $50 to $100 for a haircut, but it makes a HUGE difference in how people perceive you. You really don't realize how big an impact hair makes until you've played around with different hairstyles and observed the effects.

The important thing is, when you visit a stylist (usually you want a gay male to cut your hair - they tend to be better at this than female hairdressers / more artistic / more talented), tell him he has free range over your hair, and that you want him to make you look sexy and edgy (but still presentable during the day, if you have a day job). And tell him beyond that, you trust his judgment, he knows better than you do, and just let him do his thing. He'll appreciate the artistic freedom - and he'll give you a cut that women find very alluring.

Chase

Eric Reeves's picture

Chase, remind me on this one when/if you decide to write it. I maintain/cut my own hair, and have some advice to add as well (products/tools/healthiness/style).

Been through a few salons, and my current one has been teaching me a bit whenever I go.

- Eric

Lupo's picture

It may take some searching around, but you have to find a good hairstylist. Absolute must. Haircutting is like art. Search for good hair salons on a review based website such as Yelp. I wouldn't spend more than $50 per cut UNLESS the guy or gal is absolutely fantastic. Some of the more upscale salons charge more entirely based on the vibe of the establishment, not the actual quality of the cut, so beware. I'd also say generally a guy cutting your hair is better than a girl. Just personal experience, I suppose.

It is never a bad idea to look at hair styles before coming in and printing out a photograph to bring in. Pop culture is a waste of time (unplug yourself!) but these famous celebrities have stylists... and therefore, some of them have pretty cool hair.

You can look through a website such as hairstyler.com for celebrity haircuts. Sites like those also have general written directions on how to get the look of that cut, so you can tell your stylist if they are confused. Try to pick a person with a haircut that has a similar shaped face and is of your approximate age (ie; don't go for a haircut suited for an oval faced, 50 year old male if you have more of a triangle face and are 20). You can also conduct your search based on ethnicity.

Onwards,
Lupo

Anonymous's picture

I Understand exactly what you mean

Josh's picture

In the scenario where the girl asks you if you are just looking for sex you reply with a sly smile and direct eye contact and say "now where's the fun in that?"

Or if she asks if you do this with to every girl you met, using the same non-verbals you could reply with "not with just any girl." This will make her feel a little special.

Jester's picture

I was thinking something like that as well, but it does need a bit of edge in the eyes to go with the smile. It's not so much in the words, but the look that actually does it. As in, you don't care what she says, she is what you want and you don't care all that much if she walks out on you.

If you aren't edgy, I can only assume it to be preceived as 'oh you're so funny', or worse you being a try hard. That's what I think anyway...

Put your edge masks on and start deflecting challenges like a pro :D

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Chase Amante's picture

Indeed, these types of replies are lots of fun and can really set a sexual tone when used correctly (e.g., you use edge, and she isn't asking them from a totally guarded place). They're a form of dismissal - they make light of the challenge and brush it aside - but also carry a lot of sensual heft with them.

Great to use when a woman is challenging you because she wants to ramp up attraction and desire.

Cheers,
Chase

KING SINCERE ALLAH's picture

Chase, you need an honorary doctrate! you're a scientist!

martin4's picture

hellow chase,

when you are a group talking,
and one of the guys throwing comment (out of the blue, but in a way that isn't that strange) like
"I'm the the most demandable man around here"
or
"I'm the the hottest man here"
it's can't be ignored because it's will be "quite agreement"

I think it's need to be addresed by META IT, but you can give a full example?

and finally,
most important thing,
what to do when you are in club with low social value (because of you are with friend with low confidence) and someone trying to get value by "joking" on you, in the way they dancing in front of you. (so much so they even penetrate to your space, and even touch you lightly).

don't forget there is a lot of sound in there, so I can only answer in physical actions.

I want to to the best thing to prevent physical confrontation, but still hurt a little bit in his value and make him stop trying to impress his friend.
(I know the best thing is to ahead prevent this from happen, And I USALLY do. but sometimes I stll go out with low value frineds that attract this behavior)

thanks, chase.

Anonymous's picture

Hey Chase,

I know that this site is focused primarily on attracting women, but I have found some amazing nuggets of wisdom on this site like this article that are less about women and more about social elevation / handling social fundamentals. What resources are available beyond these articles to hone these skills? When I'm out in public in general I don't always remember to consistently be thinking about all of the things I learn on this site, so it's difficult for me to train in it... kind of like trying to put on muscle by carrying heavy boxes to your garage once a week. Yeah it works a bit but you really need a serious regimen... so what would be the equivalent to weights / gym for social elevation??

Maxmilion's picture

I totally wish i would have seen this article sooner, First i took a girl to this awesome Chinese restaurant sort of a hidden gem well i happened to have taken this other beautiful woman up to this same spot a week or two before. Well the guy bartender comes up and says hey i remember you didn't you just bring some other girl up here not too long ago..... Deer in headlights look, the only thing that saved me was that i had already been sleeping with this particular girl unfortunately a week later that's when the problems started said she was falling for me and thinks i like my player status more than her she had already made her mind up. Also this is going to help me work on these challenges tremendously. Also i bounce at for my second job and these guys are always challenging me no matter where i go and it pisses me off this is the most helpful post i could have read.

Thanks for the awesome post.

Max.

JB's picture

G'day, long time lurker here, first time poster

I've read the articles on challenge,course corrections and judgments and was seeking some more specific advice on handling challenges disguised as friendly banter in situations like workplaces, social groups etc.

Personally, I fear being at the bottom of any group and I also feel a lot of empathy for anyone who is. So i don't waste time putting others down, and simply ignore attacks to me. This, however, can seem weak, and thus invite more challenges. Before i know it, i am THE target. I end up at the bottom in a supplicating position so as to avoid further attacks (which obviously doesn't work).

In order to beat this, I need to find the balance between being overly defensive and being too passive. I also need to learn to differentiate friendly banter from a personal attack. The obvious solution is to banter back, but as some of these guys are extremely quick witted it can leave me looking like a fool.

To clarify, these groups aren't terribly destructive, just very typically aussie in that cutting each other down is a way of passing time. As its my job, i can't just leave and find a new group, and this behavior is just how trades are so i need to be able to win at this.

In the meantime, I'm learning bettering myself in other ways, learning to box, good relationships, apprenticeship etc. but I am missing something here.

Thanks

Alex92's picture

Hey,

I'm 5' 7" and I'm constantly blaming my height for all the challenges I get from others. I have a black belt in martial arts and a muscular body and honestly they doesn't help much. I've also thought that my height was the reason for all of the bullying I got throughout middle school and high school. I've always felt like people perceived me as a weak target just because of my height....and still do.
Is this an inaccurate idea in my mind or is it something real that could be somewhat handled?

Alex

Mike B's picture

Im also 5'7" have been in the same boat as you in my childhood my friend. Its a shit sandwich to some degree no doubt, but whats better is that short of having to physically defend yourself, (which you already have down, I didnt im just now getting into boxing) it actually can ALL be handled socially. I looked very young so it was always tough. For me dressing better made a huge difference in my perceived social standing, and if you study things like this article and other social skills stuff you'll be fine. Dont take shit from people for sure, I forget who posted on here but def get a bit of Napoleon complex going for yourself, and then handle challenges like this and you'll be well on your way to at least competing with dudes taller than you. A good helpful one i learned from Chases article about using these with women is the "oh so what are you ? [xxYY obvisouly powerful archetypal figure] ?" <-- works well in smashing the other persons one up while also making you seem nonchalant and unbothered.

Godspeed and remember when the apocolypse hits, we need fewer calories to survive… xD

Anonymous's picture

When reading this article, one analogy kept popping up in my head. These example conversations are almost like bullfights. The picker-upper (for lack of a better term) would be the fighter. The challenger would be the bull. When these people put effort in to challenge you, they are charging you like a bull. But instead of fighting the bull, if you pull back with a flourish and effortlessly handle the challenge, you win. I thought this would be helpful if someone didn't understand what you were talking about.

Anonnymous's picture

I'm technically a guy, but I dress neutral and express myself as a female. I'm quite shy and try to be "nice" I'll admit... but I usually get treated like a wimp by other guys or patronized as a cute pet by other women. I am aware of this and want to change, so this article was a nice teach. Thank you so much! :)

I'm going to stand my ground a little more, but one scenario I cannot seem to avoid is after explaining the facts to some dude about whatever topic, he loses his cool and backs up to "So you wanna fight about it, huh? Wanna go?"

This article has done a good job showing me how obviously low to the ground this kind of move is, but I still don't know what to do, what to say! I wish there was just one word I could spit out that marks the other guy as the savage he just made himself become! >=(

Mike's picture

Thanks Chase. This was super helpful. I had a roommate who had a classic case of what you called frat boy persona haha and would pull this shit on me in groups. I'm into making my own music and generally improving myself as a quality individual, and it astounds me people would do this. You've been such a help. Keep on keepin on !

Alexx's picture

You mentioned that high status individuals get challenged a lot and that people get challenged because others see a sign of weakness in them. Is this to say that high status people are perceived as weak a lot of the time?

Ortrun Abels's picture

I am curious: why has "I am sorry, we are having a conversation" never worked when a guy tries to interrupt my conversation with a woman?

Mike B's picture

Youre giving him too much attention and it still invites contention. You need to be more socially dominant and dismissive. Ignoring is the best, or like Chase said, a bare-minimum polite response with comPLETELY dismissive body language and tone.

Mike B's picture

Hey Chase i remember reading this article a while back. I have a bit of a nice guy vibe when Im not trying to hit on girls and until people get to know me, but just wanted to know if i remember incorrectly, is it ok to ignore a challenge in a group or do you HAVE to acknowledge it?

annoys me that other people could really be convinced by these silly verbal games, but def dont want to come off meek i guess

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