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Threats and Opportunities: The Difference These Make in Seduction

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We've talked a bit on here about threats and opportunities in the past already, but I wanted to take some time today and really dive into the differences between these two mentalities and how they affect your success in pickup, dating, seduction, and relationships, because they're of great importance.

threats and opportunities

On the article about anxiety in men, JFav comments:

Hey chase! After reading thru a lot of these comments one theme I think keeps reoccurring is the guys who have improved have all embraced one thing. And I believe one of the many things you and some other guys have embraced is your "inexperience." More specifically you guys embrace mistakes not as bad things but as learning tools. I could almost see some of you doing things you KNOW were "wrong" just to CHECK if it could be right.

I've gotten that sense from a lot of your post Chase because I know you are a guy that likes to decode and really get to the core of things. So, I'd love to hear some of your thoughts on my epiphany moment that "mistakes are just learning experiences."

I'd love to see a post where you talk about the time when you were learning pick up and seduction and how you questioned things asking yourself "could this really work" or "there's NO WAY that could work" And I'd love to hear some stories about how you said "F it I'm gonna try it anyways just in case he could be right"

At the core of J's realization here is the opportunity he'd been missing in situations with women before, when he'd been blinded by the threat present in those situations. As he notes, I went through a similar transformation in my approach to women and dating, as have every guy who's reached a point where he's broken through to the site where learning is fun and no longer scary.

How do you break through, defeat timidity and apprehension, and free yourself from the feeling of "threats?" It's partly experience and exposure... but it's also partly something else.

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Anonymous's picture

Great article. I like the use of the opportunity angle to override the threat angle. This concept is something I've been using occasionally recently too, it's like overriding your default logic with a more realistic view of the world, in real-time to motivate you to take action...because when opportunity is gone, it's gone.

The issue that limits me that I haven't solved yet is...sometimes I want to meet a new woman but the sting of potential rejection limits me...but it's not the rejection itself, but it's about giving a woman who has no interest in me an ego boost ("aww another one likes me, i'm so gorgeous") at my expense.

Now if I pre-open a girl or catch her giving me eye contact then it becomes easier, but this is a reactive approach. I want to approach any woman on-demand almost, regardless of whether or not she's interested or not and simply take action without caring about the outcome.

When I have a drink or two under my belt the inhibition abates dramatically, but many times when sober I struggle with these concepts in the heat of the moment, and usually if in day-game I only have a few seconds to act and then she's gone and by time I've sorted my thoughts out alot of times the woman has already left.

But the thing I've noticed is, I don't always struggle with it, sometimes I 'feel' social and approaching is effortless. So i know I have the potential in me, it's just that my emotions creep in sometimes and causes inaction. But I will continue to struggle with this...

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Chase Amante's picture

Hey Anon,

Right - the toughest part of the process is simply being more aware of the thoughts and emotions running through your head. Once you're aware of what's going on in there, you can properly attack it, instead of being slowed down or stopped by it.

Best way to do that any time you have something you want to do or think you ought to do but you're hesitating doing is to ask yourself, "What emotion am I feeling right now?" That gets your mental gears turning in the right direction and puts you on the path to solving the problem.

Cheers,
Chase

student of the game's picture

hi chase good job in this i highly appreciated your last post.it answered a lot of my questions since i needed more of a layman's approach towards conversations.my question here today is that in every relationship it reaches a time when a girl asks to "see" your phone,so what do you do in such situations?my friend once told me that the girl literally started sabotaging friendships he had with girls because of this?this hasn't really happened to me but i strongly believe the adage that prevention is better than cure .also what happened to Colt and tactic Tuesdays we haven't heard from him and i was really looking forward to sharping my social skill and how did you learn how to use all this vocabulary i literally have to have a dictionary around when i read one of your post ha-ha.Anyways more grease to your elbows and i am looking forward to your next post:)

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Chase Amante's picture

Howdy Student,

Getting asked for your phone is one of those things there's not much way around, you've pretty much just got to put your foot down. The first couple times you get asked this, just stare at the girl like she's said the most ridiculous thing in the world, and hold eye contact until she breaks it. If she keeps asking, eventually just laugh and say, while laughing, "You are NOT going to look through my phone." When she asks why, you can continue laughing and say, "Because you are NOT." It's important that she understands this is a ridiculous request (hence the laughing), rather than a scary request (if you were serious / uncomfortable).

If she continues to press, that's when you put your foot down hard, look her hard in the eye, and say, "Look - nobody looks through my stuff. Not my parents, not my best friend, not any of my other friends, not you. I don't go through other people's stuff, and other people don't go through my stuff, and that's just the way it is, case closed."

Colt's off on vacation in Thailand, living the good life; haven't heard from him since he sent the last article, so I suspect that means he's having a great time. Anyway, he was pretty excited about the series; I'm sure he'll get back sometime soon with a few more updates for it.

As far as Tactics Tuesdays, I decommissioned it for now, but it's not out of the question that you may see it again in some form or another in early 2013.

Cheers,
Chase

Anonymous's picture

Chase is totally right on this one.

There's not much you can do besides putting your foot down.

I don't do really do longer relationships.. but there is one alternative I've used, and that is simply to not give a shit. If a girl wants to look through my phone I often find that if I let her and she'll lose interest. Makes her feel a bit awkward and plus she's more interested in me not my phone.

On the other hand, if you make a big deal out of it she'll just be more interested. One time I woke up with my friends sister (great..) in bed, and was texting another girl to make plans. She wanted to see what I was doing and I was tired of trying to stop her from looking at my phone.. so I did the only logical thing and threw it across the room at a wall. It exploded. She put it back together and read my texts anyways.

*shrugs*

- Eric

Jester's picture

The thought of reprogramming my brain is so great. Actually I have been doing it for a while by simply developing healthier mind sets.
However, like previous comment, talking about being too slow at times.. Wekk I get that all the time! I get in these what I call 'mind loops'.

So I rewire my usual story of":
- "I want to meet this girl"
- "But maybe she has a boyfriend and I don't want any trouble"

To something like:
- "But if I don't meet her I don't know if she has a boyfriend"

But then my mind thinks of a new bullshit excuse:
- "If I approach her, she may think I'm creepy and she is going to cause the trouble"

And soon this becomes a long pattern of like having 2 voices in my head. One calling excuses and the other one calling to rewire it. I have to eliminate a lot of shit in my head before I actually take any action at all...

Now I recognize this, but I still can't break out of it. Any ideas how to reprogram a mind loop? It's driving me nuts.

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Chase Amante's picture

Howdy Jester,

That's another one of those where you've got to shut up the mind loops by just deciding and going, "Well, here goes anyway," and just getting to it.

One of the biggest things happening here - probably something that deserves its own article outright - is simply making a decision. Most people spend all their time deliberating and not acting. Learning how to decide quickly and decisively is a much-underrated skill, necessary for clearing a lot of headaches and hassles that are going to drag out over a long period of time out of your way. Decide to do it, then do it.

I'll do an article on that, maybe next week, but for now think of it this way: the instant the two voices start deliberating, force yourself to immediately decide: it's either YES or NO, and if it's YES you're going right NOW. That shuts up the mental dialogue pretty quick.

Chase

Maxz's picture

Another great write-up Chase.

All these things are feelings that have ruminated through my head. And as usual you are direct and straight to the point. Just go for it.

A question I have for you is slightly off topic. I think I once saw you write that people should only listen to uplifting music, but all the music I like are full of artist drowing in their self pity. From Nine Inch Nails to Pearl Jam and Sound Garden. Not listening to these artists is like cutting off a family member. Do you think there is any way to still listen to these guys and all their sorrows and self have a positive outlook on everything? Cause I know listening to them does stoke negative emotions.

Thanks Chase, you rock.

Franco's picture

Hey Maxz,

I love that you posted about this. The way music sounds to me now is something that I have thought about and, well, I've been itching to talk about it!

I actually (have) listened to all three of those artists you've listed as well as many others. I'm a big fan of rock and especially alternative rock. Lots of bands like to sing about women, heartbreak, and other things that are actually very emotional... and very negative.

Once you really begin to turn your life around and see the world through the eyes of an opportunist (someone like Chase, or Ricardus, or even myself), the way those songs sound to you completely change.

I actually went back to listen to some of these artists and their songs... and you know what I realized? I realized how silly they all sounded! These men were living through pain and suffering because they (usually) could not stop thinking about one girl and forced their mind into a life full of threats, misery, and sorrow!

A true opportunist does not see the world this way. A true opportunist listens to these songs... enjoys the melody and the musical talent involved... and then do you know what he does? He laughs. I even laughed. You realize that all this emotion comes from a mind state of not understanding all the opportunities that are out there and that you are not partaking in!

Anyway Maxz, to get to the bottom line, these songs rarely affect me the way they used to. I can still appreciate them for the musical talent that is involved and the love of the sound, but the actual negative emotions that are usually projected have no effect on me anymore. I wouldn't be surprised if Chase felt the same way (although I would love to hear his input on this).

Focus on building your abundance with women until you achieve an "opportunist" mindset -- then go back and listen to these songs. I guarantee the way they affect you will change. ;)

- Franco

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This is exactly the same for me, what Franco's saying here. I listen to these songs where some guy is complaining about pain or some girl or whatever, and I'm like, "What? Just go out and get another girl! Geez...!" Although, I often won't listen to too much of them... the only NIN I listen to is "Closer."

Back to Maxz: everything you expose yourself to affects your views emotionally. The effect is lessened if you laugh / dismiss a sentiment ("Oh man, this guy's ridiculous!"), although it still affects your worldview in some subtle ways. Your view is typically essentially the average of the views of all the influences you have around you.

Just imagine one man who's surrounded by men who think women are the easiest things to get in the world, and all his music and movies and TV shows and reading material confirm how easy women are to get and keep. Then, imagine another man who's surrounded by men who think women are IMPOSSIBLE to get, and all HIS music and movies and TV shows and reading material confirm THIS. Think those two guys might have somewhat different views and emotions about women?

What you could try with your music when you're still learning is taking breaks from it. e.g., "Okay, I'm going to have a music-free month and monitor my emotions and see if I feel better or worse." You might find you're in withdraw from the lack of musical stimulation. Or, you might find that you feel a lot freer without the constant messages of helplessness from these guys being beamed into your brain.

Only way you'll know is to try it out and find out.

Chase

Franco's picture

Try listening to electronic music! That is actually the bulk of what I listen to now... whether it is House, Trance, Dubstep, Electro, etc.

Electronic music rarely focuses on bad vibes and almost always emphasizes good feelings. There are exceptions to this, bust most of these exceptions occur in tracks that include heavy female vocals. I like to listen to a lot of music without vocals these days since the vocals are usually nonsense to me now. I prefer the good feelings that electronic music brings... and this is coming from a guy who used to only listen entirely to rock!

Just a suggestion. ;)

- Franco

Maxz's picture

Thanks, Franco. Gonna give the electronic music thing a try. I know when I listen to them in the past I really do feel a good vibe kicking in.

Flames's picture

I've listened to electronic music since I was 10 which was 1..2..3.. well a while back and while I've started to appreciate other stuff like rock, and yes even pop most (if not all) the stuff I listen to is the upbeat, uplifting jump around and go crazy kind.

Music also keeps me sane and sometimes I can sit there in my chair and a good song comes on and my brain is firing all sorts of chemicals into me, the hairs on my arms stand up and no
matter how down I am, I feel completely energised.

And no topic on music is complete without a 'band' list so...

The oldies are:-

Prodigy,
Any old techno bassheads, liquid
Pink Floyd
Linkyn park

Newish ones

Thievery Corp (when chase mentioned it the other day it actually came
on my random play, lol)

Bassment jaxx
Royksopp
Zero 7
Dead Mau5

Actually too many to mention :)

I don't know if anyone saw my message from the other day, but I'd like a post on rapport, making/breaking and what it's all about, especially when other people do it to you if that's possible :)

TMP-187's picture

I cant help but to say somthing about Music! Music is my Life and when I Changed around my mind-set music changed drastically for me.
Chase,I'm an aspiring young rapper/producer.
I dont know if you know how to help me but...

How can i Get More Views and more Publicity of my Music?
I remember you had a thing about Rapping and that caught my
attention.

-Thanks for any feedback Chase,you the man

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Chase Amante's picture

Hey TMP,

I've been out of the scene for a while, but if you look at how a lot of guys make it into the industry is by blowing up on mixtapes. 50 Cent's a mixtape success story - after Power of the Dollar fell through, he went back and stayed with mixtapes until "Wanksta" started blowing up in New York, and Aftermath picked him up. For every guy who gets big on mixtapes though, plenty more get noticed and even signed but never amount to much... e.g., Stat Quo, Saigon, Lil' Flip, etc. Getting a hit single out that really takes off is another good way - B.I.G. got "Party & Bullshit" on the soundtrack for Who's the Man?, and pretty soon he was hanging out with Puff Daddy and Tupac and well on his way to becoming a rap legend.

A lot of it's location - being in the right areas and around the right people. So many guys have come out of New York that you know that scene's churning out rap talent by the boatload. If you want to make it, it's probably best to get up to NYC and get in the community where all the real rap's coming out of, to get tested and trained and eventually build up a following and strong supporters.

Other than that... start a website, put out tons of great tracks, and get on technology - e.g., iTurnes, YouTube, etc. Make it easy for people to find you and listen and buy, and if your stuff is good, they'll tell your friends.

Cheers,
Chase

Stef's picture

Hey, Chase. Love this article, when i was reading it this has many parallels quite well with the mentality of believing everything is a challenge.

I have gotten myself lately into this mentality and it has lead to great gains for me in terms of exercise and i hope to move it towards my social life too. For example when i run usually it gets tough after the the first two miles and so what i say to myself is: "Hey, you only have a mile left right? That nothing, just a another hurdle to jump in improving yourself." But your article breaks it down even more nicely into the components that compete with each other.

Now that i read this article i will push my "challenge" mentality + this post to help myself out.

Been a great read thanks!

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Chase Amante's picture

Stef,

Glad you like the post, and absolutely - viewing things as a challenge is a great way of turning them into opportunities to be capitalized upon. Can really get you motivated to test your own limits (and running's a good place for doing that, too).

Cheers,
Chase

Vaughn 's picture

Hey chase I'm having a problem with not paying for dates and taking girls somewhere cheap. They call me cheap a lot often because I don't pay for their
Meals and If I do it's not much. I don't want to make it a big deal and look like bf material, how can I not pay and or take them out for cheap dates without getting called cheap? I feel likes it's messing me up from getting some. Thanks.

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Howdy Vaughn,

Are these girls you're seeing repeatedly? If they're girls you're taking out on multiple dates, this is fairly natural... a guy who's going to take her out more than once is auditioning for the boyfriend role (whether he likes it or not!), and the more often he takes her out, the higher the expectations become that he will fulfill the expectations of the role, and the more pressure women will begin placing on him to do so.

When you're getting called "cheap," it's an indication you're clearly in a dating / courting frame. e.g., you're not hanging out with her because you're just two people hanging out; you're out with her because it's a Date, and it's Legit. So now you're under close examination to see if you perform your role as expected (be gentlemanly, pay for things, etc.) and she'll perform her role as expected (be coy, let you chase, act like a good girl, etc.).

Best alternative is to stop giving girls indications that dates are dates, and instead make them just you and the girl hanging out and relaxing together. Then when you start getting "pay pressure," you can simply say, "Whoa, what's this? Are we boyfriend-girlfriend? I'm pretty sure I didn't miss any steps along the way..." and then just tease her on it; when she asks again, you can say, "Okay, so if I buy you a soda, what's that get me with you?" and then laugh it off.

She'll get the hint pretty quick: NOT boyfriend material.

Chase

Jon's picture

Hi Chase,

Man, this is a GREAT post!!!!!!!!! I have to say, I have never seen anyone put thoughts to words in such a manner before.......... All I can say is I am stunned, this is a great post I will try to implement.

I was wondering how you would deal with semi-rejection. My example is that recently I have known a girl in my class for the semester, knew she liked me but didn't ask her out until just yesterday, which is basically moving too slow as you pointed out above. I basically asked her if she was free sometime to get something to eat. Her response was:

"Hey, how is studying going for you? I am really behind in my finals right now. I have a really tight schedule. Perhaps next semester?"

In this case, she didn't completely reject nor accept, but obviously its a more thoughtful rejection. In this case, even though she rejected, it wasn't a direct rejection so if she does end up texting me back asking me about school, etc, do I respond or do I just ignore her for a while?

In other words, when you say to take action, how do you go about it in cases like this? Thanks Chase, you really are an effective communicator!

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Chase Amante's picture

Hi Jon,

Pleased you liked the post!

You've got two options for handling rejection well:

1. Throw it back to her and walk away

2. Persist

If you do #1, that's where you're effectively throwing the towel in, but in a graceful way. This is with a girl you don't care much about / you can tell isn't really interested in, and you just don't want to put the work in to try and force something through. In this case, when she says, "Maybe next semester?" you'd just say, "Well, that's a long way off... I'll have half-forgotten by then! I'll tell you what, drop me a line when we get back next semester and we can set something up. Cool?"

Surprisingly, when you do this well, you'll actually get a fair number of girls who DO follow up, though they're usually coming at it from a "hey, let's be friends!" angle and you've got to negotiate the terms of the date fairly hard to get them investing and change the tone of things. You should expect not to hear back from her though... do this one when your emotion is, "Hey, if SHE wants to do the work to set this up later, great; otherwise, I'm not going to worry about it."

If you do #2, that's where you refuse to take "no" for an answer because next semester is USELESS to you and if something's going to happen you know it's got to be now. So she says, "Maybe next semester?" and you laugh and say, "Hey, how about I just call you when you're 70 and we can go out for a wheel through the park. No, next semester is useless; that's never happening. When are you free during finals week? I know you're not studying dawn til dusk." Be laughing as you do this, so she realizes how ridiculous her, "Maybe next semester?" counterproposal sounds and that you're not taking it seriously.

Either one of those works well for responding to polite brush offs like this - and you can often translate these into actual dates (although you've got some ground to gain back... these dates won't be a walk in the park!).

Cheers,
Chase

Anonymous's picture

Hey Chase,

Thanks for the response! I actually asked her via text and in response to her "maybe next semester?", I just said:

Me: "hey no worries, i see you're busy, my studying is going well. have a good break"

I was just curious if my text would convey weakness on my end or if it showed her decision didn't affect me.

I plan on minimal contact with her going forward and never initiating with her again.

Greatly appreciate your articles!, I am trying to implement your articles whenever I can.

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Chase Amante's picture

Hey Anon,

Being permissive of disinterest / bad behavior is taken as a sign of weakness from women, yes. Basically, a guy who's more dominant / has more choice with women will insist that she comply, because he's not going to waste time chasing her back down later and if she isn't going to play ball he's fine with losing her; a more submissive guy / guy with fewer options will let her off the hook because he's afraid of losing her if she doesn't bite. So she gets a loud and clear message about how to view a guy from that, and how to act toward him.

There's another side to that too, and it's this: she has plenty of time. Even if she had FORTY finals to study for, if she REALLY liked you she'd make time. It's just an excuse, and she knows it's an excuse, and when you play into her frame for the excuse ("I can see you're busy") you're telling her she's pulled one over on you and that you don't get it, which is another attraction killer (you probably DO get it, but you're not calling her out on it... which is another thing that'll be taken as weakness by her, so avoid not doing that).

When you get brush offs from women, always call them on it, OR give them a task. So either, "Next semester's too far from now; let's meet this week or next. First round of drinks are on me." or, "That's impossibly far from now, but okay - it's on you to remember and set it up though, because I've got about a 1-week memory. Deal?"

Chase

Anonymous's picture

Hi Chase,

Thanks for the response!, will definitely do this next time. I read your blog about rejection but it seems to be more focused on handling it when you are face to face with the girl. If you get rejected via texting and are not successful in calling her out how would you handle it in this case and if you ran into the girl in person? Thanks!

Balla's picture

Hey chase, I was just watching some Michael Jordan highlights and It reminded me about your how to master anything article. What I wanted to know though is do you think he willed himself to grow taller? Since his family was all under 6ft and he just happened to grow after he got cut in just the right time. Also there's other players who grew at a late age like fellow teammates Scottie pippen and Dennis rodman. These two grew in their 20's. Many more NBA players have had late grow spurts, so did they master how to grow or somethinhappensust curious on how this happens. Thanks

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Chase Amante's picture

Hey Balla,

That's a pretty interesting question, I haven't heard that before. Didn't know anything about Jordan or Pippen or Rodman's late / fortuitous growth spurts, and that does seem a little unusual. Could be them tapping into their brains (your growth is controlled in part by the pituitary gland in your brain) the way Tibetan monks (and Wim Hof, for that matter) access their hypothalamuses via tummo to raise their body temperatures significantly and survive virtually unclothed for long periods of time in extremes that kill an untrained man in a parka.

Or could also just be confirmation bias; e.g., you hear about the legends who had late growth spurts, but you don't hear about the guy bagging groceries at the local supermarket who did, or the guy sitting in a cubicle at an accounting firm who did either (and you don't hear about all the basketball players willing themselves to grow taller who don't).

Anyway, it's hard to say, although I do personally have some natural tendency to believe in a strong enough belief and will bringing above-average results into the world... of course, that may be just magical thinking on my part though - nothing but superstition. But it's a useful superstition - most of the giants of industry, the arts, governance, and everything else were guilty of possessing that one, so whether it's real, or whether it's simply a thought artifact that arms you with the sheer confidence and stubbornness and willpower to MAKE things real, it may not really matter.

Chase

Balla's picture

Yeah it's crazy right ? You can even look up the #1 pick of the 2012 nba draft, Anthony Davis.
Grew from 6"2 to 6"10 at the end of high school, he so happened to grow right before graduating, which is why he went to Kentucky. It's crazy how The times these people grow is so perfect. I really wonder how that happens, do you believe in late bloomers?

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