How to Pick Up Girls in Ancient Rome (According to Ovid)

Intermediates can get dates and are beginning to have some level of social success
Here’s a “golden oldie” of seduction community wisdom:
When talking with girls, talk about other girls.
I first encountered this advice in the first seduction manual I ever read, Swinggcat’s book Real World Seduction. In it, Swinggcat recommended telling girls stories that had other girls in them.
It didn’t take long before I heard this same tactic from other seduction community legends. One advocated talking about “my friend blah blah” and then referring to your friend as “she” and “her” – and if a girl asks, “Is she your girlfriend?” you know you have her hooked.
Another talked about how telling stories about other girls you know or knew allowed women to feel more comfortable around you, showing them you’re not some guy women avoid, while allowing you to show the girls you’re talking to that you have girls just like them in your life already (excellent for attainability).
I don’t see this advice so much anymore, so I figured I’d do a little write up on it specifically, just to get it out there again.
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Today I want to discuss a sensitive topic: drugs and seduction. William Gupta, one of our writers, addressed this topic a while back The Truth About Taking Drugs and Hooking Up with Women. I decided to give my take.
Why this post? I am a night gamer, and it is no secret that the nightlife has more drug consumption than elsewhere else. However, be aware that high drug consumption does not define all venues. This past weekend, I went to a club filled with students. Drug consumption was low. Compare this to a music venue (house music clubs and raves are known for high consumptions of MDMA and Ecstasy) or a high-end club (cocaine), and you will notice they are worlds apart.
Honestly, I prefer venues where drug consumption is low. It is easier to run game. MDMA makes everyone behave weirdly, and running good game becomes challenging. Cocaine turns people into loud jerks: girls are bitchier; men are loud and annoying. Drug consumption is a huge problem in my book.
I felt the need to write this post because I’ve noticed that the threshold to try out and take drugs is lower these days. When I started out clubbing around 2010, you seldom saw much drug use in clubs, and if it took place, it wasn’t that visible.
I have noticed that drug use has normalized in the last few years. Seeing lines of cocaine is usual. Lines of 3mmc (a cheaper substitute to cocaine) is not out of the ordinary, and MDMA use at a venue with great music? Well, obviously, you must do that! Who can have fun without it?
I can’t go to ANY venues without girls and guys asking me if I have any or know anyone selling. I know club owners who are frustrated with all the drug sales and usage in clubs. They get in serious trouble if the authorities find out that their venue is a junkie fest or if anything bad happens due to drugs, including rape, overdose, and even death—the latter happened in Paris clubs a few years ago.
I’ve been clubbing for a while and have tried different drugs. I will only talk about drugs common in clubs and those I’ve tried.
I will discuss my experience with them in the context of seduction. However, I will not discuss the following:
The dangers of drugs; they are well known. Most are illegal and made in shady labs. You do not know about composition and manufacture. Being a questionable business, they often cut the drugs with dangerous stuff.
The illegality of drugs: you commit a legal risk by carrying, offering, and taking drugs. I will not discuss this element.
The cost of drugs. Yes, they are expensive.
Getting busted taking drugs in a venue. Bouncers will kick you out (rightfully so), and you will be banned from the venue.
These factors are real. You should consider each in your assessment.
When discussing these drugs, I do so objectively given my experience and avoid moralizing, or at least I’ll try. I think all drugs circulating in clubs lately are annoying and kill the party. At the end of the day, it is your body and your choice.
Here are my experiences with each drug.
In my article on pussy-centric escalation, a commenter asked me for examples of getting verbal, logical buy-in to your escalation to intimacy. I recommended this for any girl who seemed like she was either on the fence or could cause trouble (e.g., an orange flag girl, etc.).
So let’s talk verbal buy-in during your sex escalations!
Verbal buy-in is anything you are doing to get a girl to affirm that yes, she really wants this next step in the seduction to occur.
You’ve no doubt heard of the social justice / feminist / egalitarian concept of “affirmative consent”, yes? You might’ve thought it a terrible, seduction-killing concept. But believe it or not going for verbal buy-in as you seduce is basically just this: it is the same concept as “affirmative consent”, just gussied up and made sexier.
I’m going to show you how to do this today, and add another powerful tool to your sexual escalation arsenal.
There’s a newsletter I recently sent out to the Girls Chase Newsletter list on women’s early frame announcements (EFAs). If you’re unfamiliar with EFAs, these are women’s demonstrations to you, either before sex or not long after it, regarding what they’re looking for with you.
A girl might be looking for something casual. She might be looking for something serious. She might not know what she’s looking for. Either way she is usually going to convey her position or lack of one to you in an early frame announcement. You will see it – if you’re paying attention, and know what to look for.
While I was writing the newsletter on EFAs, I briefly inserted my own opinions on which ones I preferred versus disliked, before removing them. A newsletter doesn’t need my opinions; it’s more useful without, just giving the facts, so you can decide what suits your own agenda.
However, in that moment when I wrote my own personal preferences (before removing them), I realized the EFAs I disliked all had something in common, and the EFAs I liked had something in common too: the ones I dislike are the ones where the woman attempts to dictate the terms of the relationship, whereas the ones I like are the ones where she leaves it more up to you.
I thought it might be fun to have a little look at these differences, between women attempting to dictate the frame, versus when they declare themselves more open to you setting it.
Hi guys. I hope you are all doing great.
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Today’s post is straightforward to clarify some misconceptions about my signature and favorite technique, sex talk. It’s the art of setting a sexual frame and presenting an attractive sexual persona by conveying that:
You are a low-key and nonjudgmental lover. This counters potential resistance to sex talk and sex.
You are an experienced lover who knows how to provide an unforgettable sexual experience for women. You understand sexual psychology, anatomy, and techniques.
You express all this in a laid-back, indirect way. You never convey that you have direct sexual desire for her. You only discuss sexual subjects to set frames and communicate those traits about you.
This “indirectness” allows you to sexualize the interaction without facing much resistance. Combining it with smooth transitions allows you to sexualize things easily and safely.
The sex talk method has been very popular since I introduced it in the late 2000s, especially with intermediate and advanced players. It makes sense because they have an excellent overall understanding of social dynamics combined with conversational control. And both are required.
Sex talk is an essential fundamental, not an advanced skill. It’s not suited for total beginners, but intermediate guys can learn it if they are comfortable talking to girls, have a decent hook game, have good fundamentals, and can manage conversations using frame control.
Even though sex talk is very efficient, many guys disregard it. Why? Some have misconceptions and believe it is only a night game technique.
Because online and day game are the two most popular methods, those unbelievers disregard sex talk as a valid method due to this misconception. I will clarify: it is not just a night game-only technique. Sex talk was not meant initially for night game. Sex talk truly shines in settings that are not at night!
First, a brief history.
All right. It’s been some months coming, but here we are: the third and final installment in my Tao of Steve game analysis: be gone.
If you’re just tuning in, be sure to read Parts 1 and 2 here (without reading them, you’ll still get value from this post, but it’s not going to be the same without Desireless and Excellent in your pocket):
I reached out to Duncan North (the seducer whose game we are breaking down) to see if I could interview him for this third installment. He had a seduction blog he ran some years back, but abandoned a decade ago, so I didn’t expect he’d likely still be reachable but, still, worth trying… however it seems, in typical Steve fashion, he truly is gone.
Since there’s not much info on North’s actual tactics or strategy for the ‘gone’ part of the ToS triumvirate, I shall fill in the blanks myself.
Fortunately, “being gone” has long been a specialty of mine. There are few seducers better equipped to talk about the art of seducing through absence – which is part of what made me want to write this series in the first place.
So let’s have a look at seducing her… via not even being there (sometimes).
I was recently advising on a scenario where a guy ran into some tough last-minute resistance (LMR). He’d done everything right to get a girl into bed, and she seemed clearly into him, but he could not crack her resistance. She kept denying him sex and shutting down his escalation attempts.
It’s frustrating when this happens. Once you’re getting LMR, if it’s strong, it can be hard to beat.
So, let me tell you about a part of my approach to escalation to sex with women. It’s a vein that runs through all the content I’ve produced on sexual escalation, but I haven’t spelled it out exactly like this before.
I call it “pussy-centric escalation.”
I’m reading the Edgar Rice Burroughs novels, pulp fiction from the turn of the 20th Century, right now. They are a blast to read. I haven’t read as much fiction the past several decades (used to read a lot in junior high and high school), and it’s fun to get into these books.
I completed the first three Princess of Mars books. If you’re not familiar with that series, it’s the one that inspired Star Wars (via Flash Gordon), Avatar, and Superman (and in that way all subsequent superheroes), among many others. John Carter from Burroughs’s Princess of Mars books is essentially the first superhero – a visitor to another world who can leap incredible distances there, has super strength, and can move with incredible speed – the same powers the creators of Superman gave him when he first appeared 21 years later (enhancing his powers much more later on).
Anyway, they’re all great books, fast-paced, and page turners.
And they all feature a ridiculously masculine, overpowered hero who repeatedly rescues an incomparably beautiful damsel in distress, who many other men wish to marry, but who loves only the hero. In the stories, the hero very quickly asks for the damsel’s hand in marriage; of course she has other suitors who’ve been pursuing her all the while too.
It almost seems quaint, the idea of meeting a woman, rescuing her, winning her that way, then immediately asking her for marriage. How different from the life of the modern dater – or even more so, the seducer!
But is it? I wondered!
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Today I will share another isolation technique to use when isolation is difficult. Try this option If you run into situations when the go-to strategy granting full isolation, as described in my previous articles, is not feasible. Your best bet is to opt for mini-isolation: you are still near her group but slightly outside, say just three feet away. You may not be entirely alone with her; however, her friends are not directly part of your interaction.
As you can imagine, being completely isolated is more desirable because it allows more benefits:
You both have more intimacy.
You have fewer chances of people chiming in and disrupting your interaction.
There are fewer chances of facing cockblocks.
She will feel more at ease acting sexually and escalating with you away from her peers, and, even better, she is not in view of everyone in the venue.
The problem is that sometimes you cannot fully isolate for various reasons. I will discuss these below.
So, what can you do? Do you keep conversing with the whole group? Sure, that is one solution, but it is more challenging to set the right frames with your girl when you deal with the entire group. And how do you truly connect and escalate the vibe with your girl if you are dealing with the whole group? A better option would be to go for something in between. This is where mini-isolation comes in—the “lesser evil” option.
Mini-isolation allows you to get some peace and intimacy.
Read on to find out how to get your girl mini-isolated and what to do during mini-isolation.