(4) Advanced

More considerations to help you pull off your late-closing nightclub pulls. How do you maintain state? How crucial is endurance game? Can you use public transport? And more…

Hey guys and welcome back.

Two weeks ago, I discussed how to deal with early closing hours (venues closing at around 3 a.m. or earlier), and last week, I covered late closing hours (venues closing at 5 a.m. or later). The dynamics in both settings differ, and so do your strategic options. You have less time to strategize in venues that close early and must be bolder to screen out unreceptive girls quickly.

In late closing venues, you have plenty of time to deal with those, and you can run efficient strategies that require more time, like extended verbal game or social proof game.

I also reviewed differences in venue dynamics:

• With earlier closing times, the venue dynamic works for you by providing a peak hour that usually affects people’s state positively. However, these venues offer more wildcards, which are typically negative. A defined closing time gives you plausible deniability to extract the girl from the venue.

• With later closing hours, you have a calmer and more settled vibe, and your results depend more on your work. You will be more in control but will get less for free.

Below, I will discuss the remaining logistical factors to consider with state control, sealing the deal, and providing pointers regarding your strategic choices in venues with later closing hours.

This post continues my post on late closing hours, although those who want to know more about early closing hours may still find some valuable details here. If the venues close late where you live, then this expansion post is for you.

Girls often do things to visibly attract men. Once you’ve hooked a girl, you can look at and touch these things to raise the sensuality of the seduction.

This is a tactic from the old school seducer Lifeguard, from back in the Fast Seduction days. It does a handy job at upping the sexual electricity between you and a girl. It communicates to her that you recognize and appreciate what she’s doing to look sexy. Then, it gets you touching her in these sexual attractor locations – which does excellent things for the seduction.

Lifeguard, if you’re unfamiliar with him, was a confident, muscular playboy who took his handle from his days lifeguarding as a youth. While still a novice he joined a competition with the other lifeguards to see who could bed the most new girls in a summer. Girls did not count if one of the other lifeguards had already laid them. Putting his seductive skills to work, he racked up 50 lays over a 3-month summer, winning him the competition and emblazoning his path ahead as a legendary seducer.

His archive on the now-defunct Fast Seduction forum is well worth reading if you’re curious to learn more. You can download it (alongside other legendary guys’ archives) here.

Today’s Tactics Tuesdays is not about a tactic Lifeguard shared on mASF, however.

Instead, it comes from one of the handful of blog posts he made on the small seduction blog he very briefly ran, long since vanished from the web.

It can be tough to determine if a girl is interested but shy… or just wants your attention. Use these telltale clues to figure out which camp she falls in.

Hey guys, welcome back.

(Advanced guys will benefit the most from this post).

Last week I discussed hooking and dealing with positive, neutral, and negative responses to your openers and hook gambits.

I mentioned situations when the girl responds positively, yet not as favorably as you’d like: not positive enough to make you feel comfortable escalating the vibe (touching, sexualizing, etc.).

Perhaps the vibe is great. The girl is smiling, laughing, and displaying many signs of interest, yet you feel stuck and unable to escalate.

She is so hot and cute. You think, “Finally, I am meeting a girl who seems interested!” You want to play it safe and not make a move.

Right off the bat, let me say that this is a terrible strategy.

Remember, any interaction that stagnates and doesn’t move forward will erode. The only exception to this is when the girl is part of your social circle, in love with you, and things will work out anyway. And even then, a stagnating interaction is potentially dangerous.

Consider those typical “all-nighters” with a sweet, compliant girl you believe is genuinely into you. Both of you spend time together, laugh and have fun, only to face major resistance the moment you try to escalate. The best-case scenario: you part ways. The worst-case scenario: some random jerk picks her up.

Never let the interaction stagnate. You have two choices:

1. If you make a move, things either work out and go uphill or not work out and go downhill.

2. If you make no move, things will not work out, deteriorate, and go downhill.

Why?

• She will get bored eventually. Women love the tension and stimulation from interactions when men escalate or attempt to escalate the vibe (assuming they are interested in the guy).

• If you do not make a move, you disqualify yourself as a confident, sexual man; therefore, she views you as an unsuitable lover. Bad.

• The frame becomes less sexual as the interaction progresses. But if the frame becomes more sexual, you are less likely to face resistance, including last-minute resistance the moment you try to escalate. The resistance from her cognitive dissonance is caused by experiencing two different perceptions that clash.

So, to calibrate, you need information. When she reacts positively, it’s a reaction you can calibrate to. You can calibrate differently if you receive a negative reaction. If the interaction stagnates, you get no reaction and no information you can calibrate to. You will be in the dark. Not ideal.

You can find more information here: If You're Stuck in a Seduction, Do This.

Let’s say you followed my advice and received a somewhat positive response from a girl (but not as positive as you’d wish, or she is not showing obvious signs of interest). Yet you make a move on her.

But some resistance occurs. Let’s go over four causes of resistance and how to deal with each.

First, a few words about compliance for review.

The transition between vibes trips up many a man mid-seduction. But why is this so? It’s because vibe transitions must be mutual, and the man has to lead.

A short while back I wrote about transitioning from a social or sexual vibe to an intimate vibe. In the comments, Xander asked about vibe transitions in general. He gave as examples some of the difficulties he’s had trying to transition between different vibes:

Chase,

I wonder how to properly balance the use of intimate and social vibes. I have this "problem" that when I express one type of vibe, I can't do another at the same time, that is, it's very difficult when I try to combine them. Cases go like this:

1. I have a great, fun and bonding conversation with a girl. There may also be some spontaneous sexual tension. She friend zones me after all that. Since I'm already in the friend zone, further attempts to build an intimate vibe are unsuccessful because none of them want to go out with me, but a superficial acquaintance.

2. Strong sexual tension/chemistry is felt before I approach her or at the beginning of getting to know her. Because I'm so horny I can't bring myself to be super social and reach the hook up point when approaching, so interactions with these women are short lived. Also, if we are far away I can't start touching her and if we are close to each other she starts touching me "accidentally" for a while or we both start touching each other "accidentally" before she pulls away and puts up barriers.

3. After some time in the conversation, I manage to show an intimate vibe, so there is everything and an initial good conversation and an intimate vibe. However, when she feels my arousal, she starts to push back towards platonic conversation and thus destroys all sexual tension.

I have read the article in detail, but it is still not clear to me how should we balance these two vibes. Should we give preference to one? Are they used first one and then the other or both at once or both at once and then only one etc.? And most importantly, how do we create a mental state so that we can easily move from one to the other?

Xander’s problem is a common one. It’s among the more frustrating sticking points guys will have once they’ve gotten active in the field and with dating. There’s a certain vibe – a certain feel – to the interaction you’re in… but you want to change it to another.

Except when you try to do that, you fail! Or perhaps you don’t have much of an idea how to do it in the first place.

I’d like to go into a bit more detail about vibe transitions here. Let’s take this tangled, ephemeral subject and make it a bit more concrete.

The regular nightlife’s over, but the after-hours venues are still on. How do you pick up women from these places – and not risk late-night rejections?

Hey guys and welcome back.

In my last article, I gave an overview of after-hours venues.

These venues remain open after the general nightlife closes. They are the clubs that people go to if they want to party more. They usually attract more of the power-going crowd, like ravers and clubbers. Those may make up half the crowd. The rest will be regular people who have no idea how they got there.

I recommended opting for gay-friendly after-hours places or straight-friendly gay places. They tend to have the most girls with less male competition (most men there are gay).

Gay-friendly after-hours places are not unusual because those places are known as party scenes, and nobody parties harder, longer, and more seriously than gay people. They will readily go to the after-hours venues. Most after-hours venues that are good have a gay clientele.

Those that don’t tend to be sausage fests with primarily straight men.

You may see more men, but most don’t “count” because they are gay. This is even more so in gay venues open to straight people. Even more interesting is that gay and gay-friendly venues often have more girls than those that do not attract the gay crowd.

And no, they are not lesbians.

You know how to project into the future with a girl you’re seducing. You know how to pull her into a role-play. But what happens when you do BOTH?

Here’s an enjoyable-yet-deadly combo seduction tactic that combines two old, great techniques: future projection and role-playing.

Done right, you can use it to lower a woman’s inhibitions with you, making her feel allowed to do things she might otherwise not yet feel allowed to do. From there, you just tell her what to do in the role-play and let her imagine it – or do it.

This tactic can be very effective in mid-game and late game for overcoming resistance or moving a girl into a more sexual state.

Once you see how simple it works, yet how powerful it is, you’re going to want to try it out.

What if you could take the hot topic of sexual objectification… and turn it into an arousing subject for romantic exploration? With this gambit, you can.

Hey guys and welcome back. It has been a while since we’ve discussed sex talk gambits, and I decided to share one today to add another gambit to my compilation:

STICKIED: Sex Talk Gambits Compilation (And more).

Today’s gambit is ideal to use in early game, as it truly works as chick crack: an attention grab that gets girls talking, ideally what you want in early game since it helps generate a hook and solidify it.

But that does not mean you cannot use this gambit later. You can because you acquire other benefits such as sexual prizing. And sexual prizing is invaluable—conveying that you are a good lover through communicating traits that are usually attributed to great lovers: experience, skills, understanding, plus knowledge about sex, women, and relationships, as well as comfort building and pacing.

I’ll review the mechanisms at play and how to use the gambit.

So here is “the sexual subjectification” gambit. It’s about discussing objectification.

First, I’ll give my definition of objectification. If that bores you and you want to get straight to the gambit and the practical element, you can skip the section below.