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(2) Intermediate

Intermediates can get dates and are beginning to have some level of social success

Classic Sex Talk Gambit: Sex Is Natural

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talk past her defensesThis basic sex talk gambit is easy to use – and can melt women’s resistance to sex. The way it works: framing sex as something NATURAL.

Hey, guys.

One of my signature techniques is sex talk. I will discuss this topic extensively in the coming weeks, considering its recent rise in popularity on the skilled seducer’s forum.

Sex talk has long been a recognized technique. I have established a reputation in the seduction community thanks to my experience using it.

Since then, I have written numerous posts on the subject, which I’ve compiled in this thread.

STICKIED: Sex Talk Gambits Compilation (And more)

This thread is, in a way, an homage to the sex talk legacy. I realized that one of the initial sex talk gambits did not show up on this list! Some classics, such as the eight types of orgasms (one of my first) as well the gambits in these articles, 3 Sex Talk Gambits So Bold & Explicit They Arouse Girls Instantly and 3 Sex Gambits: Good/Bad Sex, Sex is Unfair, and the Dark Side (especially the sex is unfair gambit) are there, but one classic that has been well-utilized is missing.

It’s time to remedy that. This gambit can remove resistance. It is from 2009, and I was not a master then, but this basic gambit is easy to pull off, safe, and is still efficient.

For the gambit, you may skip ahead to the section “Sex is Natural Gambit.” However, I recommend not doing so as I will share some interesting ideas and history that I think you will enjoy.

Tactics Tuesdays: Prefacing Your Ask Out with a Soft Close

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using the soft closeRaise your rate of girls saying “yes” to dates with you by asking them out with a soft close. Be smoother, get more dates, & experience fewer rejections!

If you listened to my lengthy interview with legendary playboy Skills, you may recall a section of the interview (near the end) where we spent time discussing the use of a soft close.

(the gist of what we discussed was Skills’s approach to texting soft closes girls after he takes their numbers, while my approach to texting soft closes girls before taking their numbers; either one, by the way, works – it’s more a matter of stylistic/game preference)

A soft close is a way to create a short yes-ladder that eases girls into a date with you.

Rather than smack her in the face with a high pressure date request out of the blue, you baby step her into agreeing to a date – raising her comfort, your smoothness, and the odds you turn this girl you’re having a conversation with into, first, your date, and then, your lover.

Today we’ll look at how to use soft closes.

Bad Nights Out: Fixing a Bad Mood from Rejection or Being Unsocial

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fixing a bad nightSome nights you go out and the night just goes bad. Maybe you got too many rejections. Maybe you’re just being unsocial. Here’s how to get back on track.

Hey guys. Welcome back.

Today, I want to talk about state control and share valuable tips whenever things are not going how you want. These suggestions can help shift the momentum and get your outing back on track.

This post is primarily for night gamers who frequent bars and clubs, but you may apply these tips to any situation. I emphasize night game because it often relies more on your state, mood, and momentum. However, momentum influences all types of social interactions, with a particular emphasis on night game, especially your micro momentum. This refers to the momentum you experience during a specific outing.

Night game is more of a performance act. You require a great mood to convey better energy and guarantee hooks while benefiting from different strategic openings and options and tackling all the potential wildcards in chaotic environments. Past interactions affect subsequent interactions.

When we consider social proof—when women see you interact with other women, you will realize how this affects future interactions. The opposite is true—when you are not seen with other women and are a lonely wallflower, or worse, viewed when repeatedly rejected, it will sink your future interactions. It kills your good mood and overall vibe and erodes the perception others have of you.

Night interactions are interconnected, though they often include episodic elements that vary depending on the venue and strategy used. Day game tends to be more focused and contained, which presents advantages and disadvantages. It’s easier to change locations and start anew if you face massive rejections. It’s more challenging because you won’t have the benefit of social proof.

Of course, past interactions can affect future interactions in day game, but mostly internally. Your overall mood and state can determine your vibe and, in turn, your overall delivery and success of your interactions. In my experience, these effects are less pronounced than in night game.

When you are at a club, and things start to go downhill, you likely have noticed that interactions usually worsen. You may begin with a poor baseline. After forcing yourself to make a few approaches, things just don’t go your way. Courageous as you are, you move on but notice future interactions do not seem any better—they get worse. You may lose all motivation and stop approaching. The night ends with wandering around and, at best, some half-hearted interactions.

Men get inconsistent results in night game because they slip into the downward spiral of a negative loop as they struggle. Now that you know some mechanisms behind your poor night, we can discuss the solutions.

We can address two key dimensions with solutions: the mental and the social dimensions.

The 5 Hoe Phases Women Experience

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the 5 different kinds of hoe phasesIt’s common for women to have a hoe phase. But did you know there are 5 different ones? From the recovery phase to the ‘kid in a candy store’, women hoe it up for a quintet of reasons.

By now most guys have realized that girls going through a hoe phase don’t stay in that phase forever. “Once a hoe, always a hoe” – maybe, but she won’t always be as active shacking up with men as she is during a phase. That little old lady with a 120-man body count isn’t still slurping on as many dongs as she was forty years ago. Age has slowed her down.

The “done with the cock carousel and ready to settle down” meme is funny, but also often correct. What prompts a woman to climb onto the cock carousel and start that hoe phase in the first place though – and why does she climb back off?

Below, we’ll open up the hood on the five (5) major sparks that prompt a woman to begin hoeing it up. Next stop: Hoetown!

Should You Even Bother Dating Jaded, Cynical Girls?

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woman pouting as man tries to shake her handJaded, cynical girls: those girls who always shut down your moves. “I know where this is going,” they say. “I’m not easy!” Are they WORTH bothering with?

I had a conversation recently with a seducer who has been frustrated with girls coming out onto dates who put walls up and do not allow seductions to happen.

This particular playboy meets a lot of girls from online, so he doesn’t get to compliance test or vibe check them in-person first. He only gets to see how well they connect on the date.

His problem closing these girls is not a general problem. He does fine ending up in bed with plenty of the other girls he takes out onto dates.

But with a certain type – the type I dubbed ‘jaded/cynical girls’ in my article on the different camps women fall into in terms of their perspectives on men – he just hits a wall.

As I commented to him, these girls can be gotten. But the question is, even if you can get them, are they worth it?

Mindsets of a Nightlife Seducer: Late Night Game

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navigating the final stepsHow does a highly skilled playboy mentally navigate the later stages of a night on the town? Come along with Alek Rolstad and see the mindsets of a talented seducer late into the night.

Hey guys. Welcome back.

This post will continue my exploration of strategic decision-making and cognitive process in-field. Like last week, I will present a hypothetical scenario that reveals my mental approach to various situations. I am choosing a hypothetical scenario because it allows me to discuss different outcomes, which I cannot do in a real-life report. It also allows me to create the most challenging setting, providing the best examples. The scenarios I present are inspired by actual events and are snippets of different circumstances I have experienced.

Today, I will discuss taking a girl to my place after extracting her from a club.

This phase is often a tense moment for many. You’ve put in much work and are close to the goal! Things can screw up at the last minute, and that can seem scary. You may become needy, or you may be overly careful. Needy because you really want this to work, or overly careful because you do not want to mess things up. Both stressors are not ideal.

Neediness will kill your chance of success and may upset her or make her feel uncomfortable. If you are too risk-averse, you may miss your window of opportunity and set the wrong frame—now, she views you as a non-sexual male. If the wrong frame continues, she will feel tired and not in the mood. You waited too long.

Next, I will share how I mentally manage these situations.

Mindsets of a Nightlife Seducer: In the Middle of the Night

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seducer's mindset in the middle of the nightHow does a skilled seducer think about ‘the game’ as his night out progresses? Take a tour through the inner workings of master seducer Alek Rolstad on an example night on the town.

Hey guys. Welcome back.

I am working on a series that explores my inner thoughts, particularly my mindset while in the field and my strategic decision-making. Using examples from a hypothetical scenario, I can discuss both potential and real-life situations. I deliberately create non-ideal scenarios filled with unfortunate circumstances and challenges. This approach lets me provide more effective examples.

Your night out will likely be more enjoyable than this hypothetical outing. That’s why I didn’t include a real outing or typical field report. The focus here is more on my techniques and what occurred, and the circumstances would probably be more favorable in a real situation. However, these hypothetical scenarios are inspired by actual events.

Last week, I discussed the earlier portions of the night, including opening and finding a lead. In last week’s hypothetical scenario, I decided to change venues as my leads in my first venue had dried out. When entering the new venue, I meet a new girl right away. This post covers the hypothetical scenario of mid- to late-game and my strategic decisions. I will also cover the hoops I may face and how I navigate them.

Lay Report: NJ Sets Up a Threesome

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two girls kissing NarrowJNarrowJ finagles his way into a threesome with a girl he’d been seeing casually and a girl he’d just met. As he puts it, “the vibe after we’d slept off was what you’d expect.

This post by NarrowJ originally appeared on our forum here.


I've gotten dangerously close to a threesome only twice in my life.

The first time, I was 19 years old and snuck in a girl's house when she had a couple other girls staying the night with her. I fucked one of them, fingered and made out with another, and the third girl was a virgin who did nothing but watch (although she touched my junk a couple times at the request of the other two girls haha).

The second time I got oh-so-close was about a year ago. That field report is here, if anyone's interested in reading.

So, Saturday night, I finally lived the dream. I can now die a happy man.

P.S., if you only want to read the juicy parts just scroll down to where it says in bold "Things Get Interesting"

There's Not Much Competition to Date the Best, Most Beautiful Girls

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the best girls have few suitorsThe highest mate value women – beautiful, sweet, & amazing – often have few good suitors. The trick? Girls who market themselves & girls of high mate value often overlap but little.

“Women have impossible standards,” the conventional wisdom goes.

“The prettier she is, the pickier she’ll be.”

“The hottest girls are drowning in suitors and simps.”

This all seems to make sense when we think about it. Men want the best girls. The best girls should have lots of choice with men. In fact, they should be slammed with offers from the highest value men, making it such that ordinary men shouldn’t even be able to compete.

Yet every day, you can find beautiful, sweet girls paired up with totally average men. Men who are unexceptional in their looks, intellects, wits, charm, physiques, and bank accounts. Most of the time these men don’t even have ‘game’, the stuff we teach on this website. If you ask them how to get girls like this, they’ll offer you vapid platitudes like “just be yourself” and “sooner or later the right girl comes along.”

These pairings have befuddled hopeful daters since men started dishing on dating on the web. How do these ordinary guys meet these girls? How do they keep them? Why do these girls choose THEM?

The raw – and at first counterintuitive – reality is simply this: there’s just not a whole lot of competition to date the most beautiful, most amazing girls.

Skilled Seducer of the Month, February 2025: Atlas IV

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Skilled Seducer of the Month, February 2025: Atlas IVFebruary 2025’s Skilled Seducer is Atlas IV, an up-and-coming seducer blasting through sticking points left, right, and center. Read his interview here.