(3) Journeyman

As you age, what is the risk your once-loyal woman becomes disloyal? Do relationships destabilize with time – or if hard times come upon you?

Commenting on my article “Why Can’t You Find a Loyal Woman?”, Shankar asks:

Bro, can a girl stay loyal to you in your old age if there are young guys who are hotter than you due to age factor?What if girl invested a lot while the environmental and personal conditions were favourable in the past and in future only the investment remains but environmental and personal conditions will change in due to age factor?In that case, would she still cheat despite travelling with that guy through good and bad memories and having children?Also keep in mind the girl is more or less the same age as guy? Have you ever though about this in your relationship with your girlfriend like if you are old, she would lose respect towards you and progressively attraction and hence cheat on you(no offense to you, it was a genuine doubt I wanted to clarify)?

I often find this brand of age-related question a tad… surprising? The natural order, of course, generally speaking, is that male value rises with age while female value gradually erodes. More often than not, it is women who worry about being discarded in their golden years.

Nevertheless, I am aware that some portion of our readership worries about age-related abandonment too.

So, today, let’s talk about what happens to relationships as men and women age. We’ll also look at all those divorces that happen between long-time married couples with children, which men often seem to think come from out of left field.

Younger women date exceptional older men. But does this mean an older man needs wealth to date younger? Not exactly – YET his occupation is KEY…

A while back, I wrote an article entitled “What's It Take to Attract and Date Younger Women?” In this article, I stated that to date younger women as an older man, you must be an exceptional older man.

One of the ways I said you need to be exceptional is in your career. I stated that

You can't play the mysterious/traveling unemployed adventurer card as an older man; once you're past 33 or 34 or so, I think you've pretty much got to be a business owner (best), retired (second best, or maybe tied for best), or reasonably high up in whatever you do for work.

Over the years, I’ve had numerous men worried that they wouldn’t qualify for this asking if that means they’re precluded from dating younger women. Most recently, a reader commenting on my article about the 12 mindsets of highly successful seducers asked about this, saying

Chase,

Great article as always.

I wanted to ask a quick question and get clarification on something.

So, I’m reading through old articles of yours and noticed some are about not needing a lot of money to do well with women, but I still get confused with the older man being exceptional article.

I know money isn’t everything with seduction, but with that older man getting younger women article. It always sticks out to me when you said you’d need to be relatively high up in your career, retired, or have your own business by your 30s if you want younger women.

Then you have later articles about how saying you’re a business owner doesn’t win points with women, having a high paying career doesn’t attract women, etc.

You say it’s better to be an artist or whatever romantic hobby you do.

Then there are the articles about getting women while broke, living like a minimalist, etc.

I know you need money for a family, maybe a relationship.

But from what I got from the exceptional older man article was that you need to have a high paying career, a business, or be retired (which means you have money) in order to get younger women.

Of course game and fundamentals matter too, but from that article, money seems the most important because if it wasn’t it wouldn’t have been mentioned.

Every time I think of that part in the article it feels like you won’t have any chance with younger attractive women if you don’t have one of those things with money. Then I read articles after that that sound like you still have a chance because career and money don’t matter if you don’t have fundamentals and game.

So is money and being exceptional only needed for younger women? Were those articles about not mentioning your career or saying you’re a business owner only good for women your own age?

Could you please clarify these things for me?

Thanks

So, all right. Let’s clarify what I mean by ‘exceptional older man’ and why I say those things – owning a business, being retired, or being high up in your career – are important.

And no, it has nothing (or very little) to do with MONEY!

If you bed a girl fast, will she be more devoted to you down the road? Or… should you give her a lengthier seduction with a juicy emotional buildup?

Commenting on my article “How to Let a Girl Go”, reader Walter said

These women are just settling for you if you keep being persistent. Have you ever seen those guys posting pics with their new girlfriends or even future wives on social media capturing it like "After 5 years of investing and being persistent she finally said YES"? Little do they know those women will never be into them even when married.

Responding to my response to Walter, in which I commented that Walter’s perspective is not necessarily going to be true, Hak said

Feel like this is great topic for article. I also feel that if you stay persistent to success for a LTR there could be lingering resentment from the other person that you were not their preferred choice. We ideally want to be someone’s preferred choice. Or is that too idealistic for LTR purposes?

I understand your point that if the relationship is good then all those previous thoughts and dynamics get wiped out and start anew.

The first thing to say about how the length of time or amount of persistence it takes you to bed a girl affects things down the line is that it’s never quite as simple as you’d think it might be. Maybe you think because you persisted for her so long, she’ll view it as an amazing event that the two of you ended up together… or you might think that because the two of you got together so fast she’ll feel like it must have been fate.

But the whole truth is that time to bed is just one of the factors that determines how women feel about you long-term, the esteem they hold you in, and how ‘fated’ they think the relationship was… or was not.

To get the most out of picking up girls with a wingman, the wings need to calibrate to each other. That means working together – and balancing each other’s game.

Hey guys and welcome back.

Today, I want to discuss calibration and additional strategies you can pull off with a wing. This post is an expansion to help perfect your wingmanning skills. We will discuss everything from in-set calibration pointers to state control, and decision-making with your wing.

Up to this point in our guide to wingmanning, we’ve covered a lot of information that may seem exhaustive. Remember, a perfect pickup and seduction does not exist. You will rarely use all the material you know and pull it off perfectly. It’s good to know that often you won’t need it.

The goal is to strive for perfection by giving you as many tools in these posts as possible to get the best results, and you can add or subtract tips and techniques depending on how you and your wing work together. Some methods may suit you; some may not. You may need some strategies to solve potential sticking points, and you should focus on applying these depending on your situation.

So, let’s go through some valuable tips and tricks.

It’s time to pull the girls you picked up with a wingman. Follow these battle-tested action plans to get girls out of the venue and alone & back home.

Hey guys and welcome back.

Previously, we have discussed wingmanning rules and strategies suitable for going solo and doing doubles, like split-pushes. This strategy is challenging and may not be ideal for beginners. We’ve also talked about the basics of wingmanning, from opening and hooking with a wingman, plus introducing your wing into the set, to running the set together.

If all goes well and the set is ready to pull, you must know how to manage this successfully. Sometimes, you and your wing may split up with each girl, going your separate ways. When this happens, it becomes a split-push, similar to solo game, which we won’t discuss today.

But often, when you have a set with your wing, you’ll want to take advantage of the double situation. Likely, the girls want to stick together, at least for a while, and you will most usually pull together.

How do you best seal the deal in these double situations? That’s what we will discuss below. You’ll learn how to handle those times when you and your wing are together with your girls until you are all at an afterparty. Sure, you may split up before then, and that’s completely fine. We will assume this does not happen so I can break down everything from meeting (see my last post) until she is in your bed (today’s post).
So, let’s assume:

• You’ve opened the girls.

• You and your wing have hooked both girls.

• You both have an interaction going, and all is going well.

Opening girls with a wingman (and hooking them) is an art. With this guide, you’ll have the most effective ways to get them roped in and talking.

Hey guys. Welcome back.

Previously, we discussed easy-to-pull-off wingman strategies: “split-push,” when you and your wing split and do your thing, not requiring wingmanning techniques like calibration and synergy with your wing. Doing “doubles” when you and your wing actively seek to meet women together, run the same set, and go for one girl from the same group is much harder to pull off than the split-push strategy. We also went over hybrid approaches that use split-push as a starting point, with the possibility of doing doubles later.

In some situations, you need to do a double:

• Two-sets (hard to deal with solo, especially with isolation)

• Sets when both you and your wing get a hook

• Sets where you need assistance (only if your wing is skilled)

Some guys, like me, love doing doubles with a great wing. You get a special ego boost when you and a wing pull your own girl together. The vibe, the talks, and the laughs the next day are priceless. You must experience it to know it.

Today, I will go through basic techniques to use when doing doubles, whether you end up in a hybrid style by chance or actively go for it with your wing. These techniques can increase your chance of succeeding. Note that today’s post serves as a basic guide. I will get into more advanced strategies in a few weeks for more seasoned seducers (or curious beginners).

Going out with a wingman is good. What strategy should you employ while out though? There’s a lot more you can do than just “two guys approaching girls.”

Hey guys, welcome back. Last week, we discussed wingmanning and the basics of choosing a good wingman, which is critical. It can make or break your future interactions. We reviewed key rules to ensure smooth cooperation, which is equally critical whether you are a beginner or a pro; many underestimate this element.

Today, I’ll discuss strategies and give my take on wingmanning. I will start by debunking some misconceptions about winging by pointing out the flawed perspective that wingmanning is about you and a guy hitting on two women in the same group. Wingmanning can be this, but it is so much more. The classic view of wingmanning is the most complicated method to pull off and requires good overall pick up and seduction skills. I may sound slightly negative initially, especially if you are not at the level to pull off the “classic” wingmanning style. However, I will suggest different strategies that are easier to use but not necessarily less efficient, whether you are a pro or a beginner. These are especially convenient if you are a beginner or an intermediate player.

However, if the old school, hardcore style of wingmanning (“doubles”) is your thing, then similar to my previous post, this post is also for you since you will find helpful (and essential) information here. Worry not, I will soon have posts on doing doubles because I love it and have perfected it with my main wings.