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Picking Up Girls at Daytime Brunches

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how to pick up girls at brunch barsWant to pick up somewhere with plenty of hot, rowdy women who’ve had a little to drink, but don’t want to stay out late? Pick up girls at daytime brunches!

This post by DoWhatWorks originally appeared on our forum here.


TLDR: Go to girly “brunches” that are hosted in big bars or small clubs and arrive as they close around 5-6 PM. Talk to girls who’ve been there since 1 PM, have sex by midnight.

I did this last weekend (didn’t bother writing it up because it was a “just don’t mess up situation” with not much game used) & guys in my circle have been doing this too.

These venues have crazy ratios with horny girls and hardly any guys there as we’re typically lazy/unorganised & don’t plan activities or events.

The hardest part is finding the right brunch event, venue & time combination but once you do, it’s easy if you have game & are willing to approach.

Every Guy Skilled with Women Has Nuance

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on having a nuanced view of womenThe average man tends to fall into over-simplistic thinking on girls. Men who are highly skilled with women, however, view girls in a far more nuanced way.

I’ve been spending a little time on X.com just to see if it is possible for us to build that out more as another channel to reach a bigger audience. I’ll probably play around with it a few more weeks at least to see if we can get traction, then reassess if it’s worth continuing to bother with (or not).

But while I’m there, one of the things they tell you to do if you want to grow on X is to interact with a bunch of other larger accounts every day. The reason is that regular users will see you posting, grow acquainted with you, check you out if they like your stuff, and follow you. Over time, you build up an audience on the platform.

As I do this ‘homework’, reading these various other accounts’ takes on women and dating, then read the replies, it reminds me once again how little nuance there is in the vast majority of men’s conceptions of women.

The nice guy ‘blue pilled’ guys think women are basically like “men with vaginas.” They expect women are as driven and capable as men are at doing all the things men like best, that women hold essentially masculine values/virtues, and that women basically think like men, albeit colored through the lens of feminine experience. A few weeks doing cold approach would completely disabuse them of these ideas.

Then on the other side the (often bitter) ‘red pilled’ and ‘black pilled’ guys also engage in gross over-simplifications about women, but in the total opposite direction. Women to these men are irrational, self-interested succubi. Women are coldly focused on getting the best-looking, or highest status, or richest, or most confident man they can get (depending on the biases of the man sharing his opinion); any man who does not measure up is basically driftwood. In these guys’ cases, a few weeks of cold approach would also disabuse them of much of this – although only once they’re getting results (and not just one-night stands with psycho chicks!).

This kind of thinking (the blue pill guys, red pill guys, and black pill guys) is fine so long as a man is content hanging around in the peanut gallery, firing off opinions for the consumption of others who are also in the peanut gallery.

But the instant he wants to be in the arena – and actually succeeding with women in a repeatable, engineerable way – he has to throw this stuff out.

He has to learn to see nuance.

Tactics Tuesdays: Stating Your Intentions (with an SOI)

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using statements of intentThe statement of intent (SOI) is a powerful tool in the seducer’s arsenal. Combined with a barrier it can be used to dramatically push a seduction forward.

A common problem guys have chatting up new girls is “stalling out.” That’s what we call it when you approach a girl, open her, she seems receptive, you flirt a little bit… and then this whole vibe of, “Okay, so… where’s this going to?” settles over the interaction.

Then it gets awkward.

Then you hear, “Well, it was nice to meet you!” and the girl ejects.

Maybe she liked you!

Maybe it could’ve gone somewhere!

But it didn’t, because she couldn’t figure out where things were headed next, and you failed to lead. How DO you lead properly and avoid having interactions with girls stall out this way?

One way to do it is by stating your intentions (a.k.a. stating your interest).

When to Let Girls CHASE You vs. When to Take the LEAD

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her chasing vs. you leadingIt’s a lot of fun when a cute girl’s chasing you. But when and how do you make the switch to taking the lead with a girl who is in pursuit?

On my article about what to do when girls won’t sleep with you at your place, R comments:

Some articles emphasize leading, but other articles (and the name of the site) emphasize making her chase. To me they seem mutually exclusive. Is there any rule or principle on when each is applicable?

It’s a good question.

As I responded to R in that comment section, you can think of chasing as an implicit form of leading.

Observe a woman with a man chasing after her. He pursues, pursues, pursues… and at last she relents and tells him, “All right, you may buy me a drink.” He buys her the drink.

Who is leading and who is following?

Would you say the man is leading?

Obviously not, no. It is the woman – she led him to chase her, then she told him when he was allowed to invest, then told him exactly what to do.

At any point in a real seduction, you must be able to switch between making girls chase you (implicit leadership) vs. explicitly instructing them on what to do / moving things forward directly yourself (explicit leadership).

This can be a delicate balance to maintain, though – and many guys miss one half of the equation or the other.

Lay Report+: 3 Nights, 3 Girls, 3 Cockblocks

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lay report: 3 nights, 3 girls, 3 cockblocksLao Che takes a trip to Jeju Island, where in 3 nights he pulls 3 different girls. But it’s far from easy! Along the way his hapless wingman continually interferes…

This report by Lao Che originally appeared on our forum here.


I've been wondering about posting LRs because I'm not sure what the point is. Lately I've been thinking it seems like bragging. I've written this now so I'll post it in the hopes that maybe some guys can pick up something, or at least enjoy the read. Let me know.

5 Differences Between a Pro Pickup Artist & an Intermediate One

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the path to pro-level pickup masteryHow do you tell a pro-level pickup artist from a flashy mid-range one? There are 5 obvious ways – from his foundation to how he handles “bad nights” & more.

Hey guys and welcome back.

What differentiates a real pro pickup artist from an impressive intermediate? You may want to know how to spot the difference.

True pros are a rare breed. I would not recommend looking for them.

But if you find a candidate from whom you wish to learn, this post can be helpful.

The details below will give you an idea of what pickup mastery looks like. Many men have a flawed ideal of “the successful seducer.” They think that the guy who is flashy and makes girls giggle is a so-called “natural.” Most likely, he is just so-so. True mastery is subtle, and we often define this by the factors below and what we call “flash game.”

I consider myself successful, but I am not talking only about myself. I have gone out with top guys, and this post also references these experiences. I know that they agree with my observations.

How to Date and Sleep with Absolute Stunners

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how to land an absolute stunnerGetting regular girls is cool. But how do you step it up and really date the total knockouts? Here’s what it takes to get the stunners – and what you have to do.

Recently we had a thread on the forum by a member asking “How do you get the absolute stunners?” He asked:

I have noticed that there’s a certain level of attractiveness I seem to be unable to get.

I might number close these stunners at the mall, or on the streets, but it’s usually the same outcome —either they text back a bit and ghost, or they never text back or pick their calls.

I have a triple digit lay count so I don’t know if it could be a “game” problem as I am not a novice.

Now, don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying I know it all —if I did, I would be getting those stunners.

So my question to you guys, those who have actually done it —how did you get the 9s and 10s?

You know, those girls that you walk with and everyone stares…

She gets compliments from strangers every single day…

Every woman wants to be her friend…

Men, complete strangers, are nicer and go out of their way to please…

When you walk with her you feel like a god.

How did you get these type of women?

Better fundamentals (suit and tie)?

More successful (got the dollar bill$)?

Better game (some advanced technique that hypnotizes them and makes em drop their panties)?

Better venue (maybe some locations just makes it easier to lay hotter women than some)?

Social circle?

Would love to know.

I just recently resumed gaming after taking some time off (was mostly getting laid from IG) and my no 1 goal is to get the stunners this time around

This topic (landing and bedding stunners) has long been one of the most hotly debated in dating circles. Men from various schools will claim that only their school leads men to the true Stunner Promised Land. Muscle guys insist you need muscles to land the babes. Money guys insist you need money to get them. Status guys insist you need fame or high position in social circle to get them. Game guys will tell you it’s all just a matter of having the right game.

The (perhaps controversial?) truth is that pretty much every avenue CAN WORK, and it is possible to meet, date, and bed stunners however you want to go about it. The guys who haven’t tried an avenue and swear it can’t work are keyboard jockeying. The guys who have tried an avenue, failed to make it work, but succeeded at landing stunners via another avenue are more interesting – their failures tend to come from misapplication, underapplication, or not playing to their strengths. We’ll talk about all these below.

But we’re going to start today by clearing away the myths around stunners, so you can view these gals through a much more realistic – and far less fantastical – lens.

Female Non-Receptiveness Is the Male Non-Approach

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does a girl being unreceptive = uninterested?If you approach a girl and she isn’t receptive, does that mean she isn’t interested? Actually… often it doesn’t mean much at all. IOW: she MIGHT indeed want to date you…

This post by forum member fog originally appeared on our forum here.


Mike Mehlman, a PUA from Japan, wrote a thought-provoking article that suggests that the default setting of girls is to be non-receptive, just as the default setting of guys is to not approach.

Think about your first time approaching a girl. You felt hesitation (approach anxiety), right? He says that women feel a form of hesitation when they get approached as well, so you shouldn't sweat it when a girl is unreceptive right off the bat.

How to Spot a Bad Girl: Sneers, Condescension, & Underlooks

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how to spot a bad girlBad girls show you they’re bad girls before they even speak. They do that through their facial expressions. Spot them & avoid destructive relationships.

Over the years, I have tried to save friends from dating very bad girls. These efforts are generally unsuccessful. The friend will continue to date the girl I tried to warn him against. The girl ‘plays nice’ for a bit, but eventually starts doing some very bad things. In the end, the friend gets burned.

Sometimes these friends have come back to me and told me I was right all along and are amazed at how I knew. However some guys who date girls like this go bitter against womankind in general – bitter because they picked a bad apple, then extrapolated that out too far and wide.

I don’t want you, Dear Reader, falling into the same trap these poor saps fell into – both those who escaped embitterment and those who did not; because both men end up burned either way.

Today, I am going to teach you to read facial expressions better.

In particular, I am going to teach you to spot a bad girl, and the particular facial expressions she will use.

What Is Push-Pull? Scientists' vs. Seducers' Definitions

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TEXTThe push-pull of Edward C. Tolman is very different from push-pull as seducers understand it. But what makes these two push-pulls so discrete? And can they be combined?

The early days of seduction saw a lot of concepts from psychology introduced to the art of bedding women. Approach solicitations (we call them ‘approach invitations’), compliance, indicators of interest, sexual market value, token resistance, the concept of the alpha male of a group, and many others come directly from the psychological literature.

One concept that is well-established in seduction is that of push-pull. Every veteran seducer is familiar with it – and every veteran seducer swears by it as a powerful technique.

Yet the way seducers define push-pull today has evolved away from its origins in psychology.

In fact, the modern seduction version of ‘push-pull’ and the psychology version of ‘push-pull’ are now more like distant cousins than anything else.

What was the original concept of push-pull, is it still useful in any way for seduction – and how did the way seducers use and define push-pull change?