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When you’re face-to-face with someone cockblocking you aggressively, your first response may be to get territorial. But this usually won’t do the trick!

Commenting on my article about girls saying you’re too old for them, reader Aiming Higher asks:

Hey Chase,

Appreciate a little advice on adroitly navigating cold approach scenarios where she's out with a friend or group and she or her mates remarks on the age discrepancy.

I'm guessing respond in the same way you outlined according to objection type, but address the person remarking as well as the woman and reversing the frame, if possible.

In particular, I'm wondering about this line: "You seem like a great friend and you also look incredible btw (not sure about a compliment here but maybe to defuse any tension?) though are you also her agent(s) who police who she can date or something? What next...you instruct her on what time she has to be home by and if she's done her homework (obviously appropriate facial expressions required and if she's clearly not school age).

Cheers,
Aiming Higher

What do we do here? Is it wise to compliment, then set the friend straight?

Or… is there a better strategy?

This step-by-step guide lays out a process for consistent first date lays. Want to stop having to wait for the 2nd (or 3rd) date? Just follow the steps…

This post, written by forum member DoWhatWorks, first appeared on our forum here.

Been in more of a taking vs giving trend (for my own standards) recently so thought I'd just give value in this post by going into my 1st date lay process.

As many of you know I'm a numbers guy so I'll say this to build credibility not brag - this month (April) I've slept with 5/6 girls first time from dates.

(x4 from online dating, x1 night game where I number closed then followed up)

In my past posts I was a big proponent of the Date 2 method & I think it's a useful a tool in your toolkit but after a certain level it makes more sense to go for 1st date lays.

It's more efficient, girls hook better & it just sets all the right frames from the start.

Before I dive in, Chase's post >here< is a must-read and covers the fundamentals. I'm going to add details that have levelled up my consistency.

Some are very obvious, but when you simply do the basics well and avoid mistakes you're halfway there.

Dig into how Bloom pulls off his thrilling same-day day game lays. Inventive sexual framing and shrewd sniper-style approaches rule the day when Bloom approaches.

Exciting news: we’re beginning a new monthly award entitled the Skilled Seducer of the Month. Each month, we’ll be introducing you to a talented Casanova – ranging from well-known veteran playboys to promising up-and-comers – whose achievements or contributions have earned him the mantle of that month’s Skilled Seducer.

For our inaugural month of April, our Skilled Seducer of the Month is Bloom. Bloom is an American seducer – a former inhabitant of New York City – who’s posted a series of impressive recent same-day lay reports with girls he’s picked up in his travels through South America. His lovers have ranged from an auburn-haired English tourist to a Chilean-Venezuelan visitor to a few Brazilian locals.

What they have in common? Bloom met all of them via day game; he seduced each one the same day he met her; and each and every one of them, according to Bloom, possessed a nice and juicy posterior.

What follows is a transcript of our interview with Bloom, conducted over a phone call, with any private details removed. Get a sense for how Bloom operates, how he selects the girls he chooses to approach, what his seduction journey has been like, and some of the techniques he’s using or developing to take lovers off the street, into his bed.

A ‘no-spiral’ is a way to get a girl to undermine her own objection – by getting her to say “no” to one absurd question about her objection after another.

What do you do when a girl gives you a somewhat tough objection that you nevertheless know is not impenetrable? For instance, she tells you something like:

• “I think I’m probably too old for you, don’t you think?”

• “I’m not really dating right now, if that makes sense.”

• “My friends asked me to wait here and not go anywhere.”

• “I’m seeing a guy non-seriously but I don’t think he’d like me going out with anyone.”

Well, you can try to debate with her, but that won’t get you much of anywhere. Debating women is not usually seductive. You can try teasing her, but that doesn’t address her objection, and won’t normally go anywhere either.

What you can do instead to fly past her objections and free her to comply is to create and use a “no spiral” – a nifty little technique that gets her refuting her own objections.

If you’ve been going the same places to meet girls for a while, they can die off or you can find yourself in a rut. That’s when it’s time to shake it up!

Hi guys and welcome back.

Today, I want to discuss a little-known night game topic: whether you should try out new venues or stick to your favorites.

It depends on where you are, and many factors come into play.

Going to a familiar venue (home turf advantage) where you know the crowd, the staff, the venue codes and social culture, understand the logistics and what strategies work, and feel comfortable will make your night easier.

It is an instinctual response to feel anxious in new venues. A new environment makes you more alert, which makes sense from an evolutionary perspective, as it ensures your survival to be alert in a foreign environment.

And, of course, being anxious and overly alert may affect your mood, impacting your results negatively.

If you know the venue well, you'll know how to play it and feel at ease there. You feel at home and safe, thus, feel more liberated. You know what is appropriate versus inappropriate behavior, allowing you to let go. If you are unsure what is acceptable, you may over-restrict yourself and be too risk-averse.

You may also know people at the venue who enhance your feelings of familiarity, making you even more at ease. Similarly, knowing some people may put you in a talkative, social mood, further contributing to a good state.

Good seducers have home turfs-venues they frequent often. From my own experience, most prolific night gamers become regulars at venues they like and usually rotate between three to five venues. They don't go to new places every weekend. Why? There are benefits to being a regular, and it would be unwise not to enjoy them. Advanced gamers know this.

There are venues I like and that I often return to. Moving around, changing cities every three years, I automatically find a few venues I enjoy (clusters, see my previous post), ranging between two and seven venues at any time. Each venue serves a different purpose.

So, should you even try new venues? And when?

As you age, what is the risk your once-loyal woman becomes disloyal? Do relationships destabilize with time – or if hard times come upon you?

Commenting on my article “Why Can’t You Find a Loyal Woman?”, Shankar asks:

Bro, can a girl stay loyal to you in your old age if there are young guys who are hotter than you due to age factor?What if girl invested a lot while the environmental and personal conditions were favourable in the past and in future only the investment remains but environmental and personal conditions will change in due to age factor?In that case, would she still cheat despite travelling with that guy through good and bad memories and having children?Also keep in mind the girl is more or less the same age as guy? Have you ever though about this in your relationship with your girlfriend like if you are old, she would lose respect towards you and progressively attraction and hence cheat on you(no offense to you, it was a genuine doubt I wanted to clarify)?

I often find this brand of age-related question a tad… surprising? The natural order, of course, generally speaking, is that male value rises with age while female value gradually erodes. More often than not, it is women who worry about being discarded in their golden years.

Nevertheless, I am aware that some portion of our readership worries about age-related abandonment too.

So, today, let’s talk about what happens to relationships as men and women age. We’ll also look at all those divorces that happen between long-time married couples with children, which men often seem to think come from out of left field.

Younger women date exceptional older men. But does this mean an older man needs wealth to date younger? Not exactly – YET his occupation is KEY…

A while back, I wrote an article entitled “What's It Take to Attract and Date Younger Women?” In this article, I stated that to date younger women as an older man, you must be an exceptional older man.

One of the ways I said you need to be exceptional is in your career. I stated that

You can't play the mysterious/traveling unemployed adventurer card as an older man; once you're past 33 or 34 or so, I think you've pretty much got to be a business owner (best), retired (second best, or maybe tied for best), or reasonably high up in whatever you do for work.

Over the years, I’ve had numerous men worried that they wouldn’t qualify for this asking if that means they’re precluded from dating younger women. Most recently, a reader commenting on my article about the 12 mindsets of highly successful seducers asked about this, saying

Chase,

Great article as always.

I wanted to ask a quick question and get clarification on something.

So, I’m reading through old articles of yours and noticed some are about not needing a lot of money to do well with women, but I still get confused with the older man being exceptional article.

I know money isn’t everything with seduction, but with that older man getting younger women article. It always sticks out to me when you said you’d need to be relatively high up in your career, retired, or have your own business by your 30s if you want younger women.

Then you have later articles about how saying you’re a business owner doesn’t win points with women, having a high paying career doesn’t attract women, etc.

You say it’s better to be an artist or whatever romantic hobby you do.

Then there are the articles about getting women while broke, living like a minimalist, etc.

I know you need money for a family, maybe a relationship.

But from what I got from the exceptional older man article was that you need to have a high paying career, a business, or be retired (which means you have money) in order to get younger women.

Of course game and fundamentals matter too, but from that article, money seems the most important because if it wasn’t it wouldn’t have been mentioned.

Every time I think of that part in the article it feels like you won’t have any chance with younger attractive women if you don’t have one of those things with money. Then I read articles after that that sound like you still have a chance because career and money don’t matter if you don’t have fundamentals and game.

So is money and being exceptional only needed for younger women? Were those articles about not mentioning your career or saying you’re a business owner only good for women your own age?

Could you please clarify these things for me?

Thanks

So, all right. Let’s clarify what I mean by ‘exceptional older man’ and why I say those things – owning a business, being retired, or being high up in your career – are important.

And no, it has nothing (or very little) to do with MONEY!