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Seduction Failures: Girl Problem or Skill Issue?

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girl problem or skill issue?If you’re stumbling in a seduction, is it because of the girl, or because of your skill? To figure out which, we need to establish the pattern – if there is one at all.

Commenting on my article “Always Be Closing (in Seduction, with Girls)”, Walter writes

Usually,when it comes to sex, I am really aggressive and yet I have often failed to close as you speak even though I was fooling around with women that I had just met when we were in a bed room for instance even though she suggested it too.

The first thing I’ll say here is while my advice is to move faster with women and yes, always be closing, it is also to be highly responsive and as well-calibrated as you can be in your moves with women. You can close a certain portion of girls simply by being really aggressive, but you will also blow a lot of girls out entirely.

The reason for that is it is very important for a woman in a seduction to feel that she is special to you and that you are listening to her, responding to her, and looking out for her. If at any point she stops feeling this way, trust is lost, and her legs slam shut (often never to be opened).

I don’t have a full picture of Walter’s typical escalation to sex so I don’t want to speculate too much on what he is doing here. But I use this comment to lead into this article’s subject: when a seduction fails, how do you tell whether the problem is a ‘girl problem’ or a ‘skill issue’?

Always Be Closing (in Seduction, with Girls)

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always be closingA ladies man who wants consistent romantic success adheres to one maxim: ALWAYS BE CLOSING. Because the man who can’t close is a man who can’t win.

As a tire salesman in my late teens, it took me a while to fully cement the lesson that I needed to always be closing. Even though in sales it is crystal clear that your whole object is to move the prospect into becoming a customer, I still felt gun-shy asking for the close much of the time. If the prospect wasn’t showing enough readiness, I might avoid trying to close at all. I did not want to be pushy.

Yet by the time I had a year of sales experience under my belt, I’d left behind my hesitancy to close. In the summer of 2003, as a then-intermediate salesman, I fully embraced the ‘Always Be Closing’ philosophy – and I turned myself into a resistless sales closing machine.

Singlehandedly, during my return to sales from a semester away at school, I lifted an underperforming store that hadn’t hit its sales quota in eight months into a winner. I sold so hard to everyone who walked in that door that I pushed us well past our July quota. If someone came in to get a flat tire fixed, and that person’s tires looked like they could use changing, he or she’d be leaving with a set of four brand new tires, or I didn’t know how to sell. The boss hadn’t thought that year’s exaggerated sales quotas were achievable for any month, but I handily beat them in July.

When I left the store to return to school the next month, mid-August, I made clear to the boss that I was leaving the store hundreds of sales ahead of where we should have been at that point in the month to reach that month’s quota. It was the rest of the sales team’s over-quota status to keep (or forfeit). Somehow, in my absence, the remaining sales staff sold so abysmally that despite the generous sales cushion I left, they nevertheless missed quota without me. That’s the difference a single closer on the team can make – versus an army of lily-livered non-closers.

You’d think I might have taken that same lesson to always be closing with me when I dove into seduction a few years later. For some reason, I didn’t. Instead, I had to learn the exact same lesson all over again the hard way with girls.

This article is for anyone who, like that young and naïve me, has yet to realize the importance of maintaining an unshakeable eye on the prize; an unbending, resistless drive to push ever forward toward the close – whether with sales prospects or romantic ones (though our focus in this article, given the nature of this website, will be on the romantic ones).

Recommended Reading 2024

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Chase Amante's recommended reading list, 2024Chase’s sexennial reading list for 2024 is out. Book recommendations on seduction, history, society, business, economics, fiction, survival, & more.

It’s been six years since my last Recommended Reading list, which itself was six years after my first. So I suppose that means it’s time for me to write another!

There are some folks out there who read voluminously, digesting 30+ books per year. Unfortunately that is not me. It may have been in my youth (I was constantly reading in grade school and high school) but with as much time as I spend managing the business and doing my own writing I don’t have as much time to spare on reading nowadays.

The result however is that I must be very picky about what I read. Books that come highly recommended by others but that fail to hook me in in fast enough or provide enough obvious value for my time – such as the fiction novel Chronicles of the Black Company, the polemic Deliberate Dumbing Down of America, Jack Welch’s corporate bible Winning, or the business management book The Essential Deming – I quickly discard. The list below is a list of survivors; these are the books I found valuable enough to keep reading, and include now on this list.

If you like my recommendations, and you want to read more books I recommend, I suggest you check out my prior lists: here’s my first list, from 2012; here is my second list, including many recommendations drawn from Lubbock’s list, in 2018. I still like these books; some of them I still reread.

I’ve broken the list below down into seven (7) categories: survival, seduction, history and society, economics, business, fiction, and miscellaneous. If you have a certain category you’re looking for, or certain categories you’re simply uninterested in, you skip to or skip those categories and go to the ones you like.

Lastly, the links include Amazon affiliate links. If you want to buy the books but have some moral stricture against buying from an Amazon affiliate link, just type the name of the book + the author into your preferred book buying website and you should find the same work without issue. Also worth noting that many of the older books on this list that are out of copyright are available for free via Library Genesis.

Onwards!

How to Be More Attractive to Women: 4 Attraction Pillars

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attracting women moreAttracting women more in a flirtation or inside a relationship requires greater attractiveness. Adhere to these 4 pillars and buff up your attractive power.

I am going to divide this piece into the 4 big pillars that make women attracted to men, give you examples of excelling in each of them, and then give you actionable advice to get there.

49 Early Warning Signs a Woman Is Going to Cheat on You

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early warning signs she'll be unfaithfulA cheater doesn’t cheat out of nowhere. She leaves clues, hints, and signs – some of them quite obvious. These 49 signs tell you she may soon cheat on you.

Recently on our forum, Ambiance, one of our more experienced members, was blindsided when his live-in girlfriend (who was a virgin when they got together) cheated on him with another man.

In his post, “I Got Cheated on Out of Nowhere,” Ambiance shared his shock at how even this girl, who had shown him nothing but ‘green flags’, could cheat. It made him wonder whether any relationship could ever be safe.

I am just mind-boggled. Why in the M***********G HELL would this girl who has been otherwise SO GOOD to me and who seemed SO IN LOVE with me throw it all away over some guy she wasn't even in love with when she knew him growing up?? I have been such a good, strong boyfriend to her and she seemed madly in love with me all this time. Not to mention this Guy C is an oafish looking nice guy without any guile.

I had fallen so in-love with her. In a world where Western women are becoming increasingly less suited for long term relationships, I thought I had hit the absolute jackpot and then done everything right. I was the baddest, sexiest guy she had ever met who conquered her and stole her right under Guy B's nose and spent the next 10 months ravishing her in mind and body. How could she have been [so] stupid?! How could I have attached myself to someone so deficient??? How could such an otherwise incredible girl with everything going for her be so screwed up in the head???

This is a waking nightmare. I feel like what remaining innocence I had so carefully protected has been f*****g obliterated.

Yet as other forum members and I pointed out, this perfect-seeming girl had some blatant red flags for infidelity risk early on that Ambiance had not noticed.

In this article, I’ll be sharing with you a complete list of ‘infidelity risk factors’ in women – potential cheater ‘red flags’ – you should look for from the very START of a relationship (or, ideally, before you even jump into bed with her). Watch out for these signs a woman is going to cheat, and you’ll be much better prepared to avoid getting hurt.

If you’re a man who desires as LITTLE a chance of a woman cheating on him as possible, this article will be Gospel to you.

The 3 Types of Conversation Hooks, Pt. 1: Hook Theory

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three paths to connectionWhen you speak to a girl, there are three (3) distinct types of hooks you can use to reel her in: rapport-based, stimulation-based, and social proof.

Hey guys and welcome back.

Today, I want to discuss three different hook game styles. Hook game usually happens post-opening when you attempt to “reel in” a girl and settle into a group interaction with strangers. It is the moment when you proceed from being a stranger to becoming a guy who is an active part of the interaction. You may not be a peer yet, but you become an acquaintance, a guy they are willing to chat and interact with. It’s when you feel that “you are in.”

Below, I will discuss the three types of hooking. Next week, you will learn how to calibrate and when to use each of the three hooking styles.

Don't Compliment Girls You Want to Date on Their Looks. Here's Why

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don't compliment women on their looksIt’s common for men to try to chat up a girl by complimenting her on her looks. Yet all this does is make you sound exactly like every other guy.

Over on the forum, we had a member who protested that he struggles to compliment women on anything other than their physical appearances. He doesn’t care about or pay attention to women’s ornamentation, he says, and wouldn’t complimenting on something else be ingenuine? Here’s some of what he commented:

Iʼve long believed that the purpose of compliments in the early moments of an approach is to communicate sexual intent, which signals confidence and avoids creepiness.

For the intent to be sexual, I would have thought compliments on genetic features would hit the mark better than those on clothing or adornments. After all, a child she could give you might inherit her eyes, hair, complexion, or facial features — but not her shoes, blouse, handbag, or earrings. (Expensive earrings, maybe!)

You might think, “No, no, a girl isn’t thinking about having kids with some guy she just met,” or vice versa. But hold on — this isnʼt conscious.

I donʼt know if this is a problem most guys face, or if Iʼm just some genetic anomaly that is somehow immune to acrylic nails and handbags.

Well, on the rare occasion Iʼm actually impressed by some trinket, I now know what to do!

Maybe you luck out and she has a killer walk or some other standout behavior, but that’s 1 in 1000. What do you do with the other 999? Revert to a very genuine compliment on her physical features? I do most love those, but Iʼm told thatʼs not seductive.

He had a lot more theory behind his approach to opening with looks-based compliments. I love theory! The one issue with theory, of course, is that if you’re using it for something practical, like, say, putting girls in your bed, you need to turn your theory into testable hypotheses and test it out. Then test competing hypotheses. Then find which works best.

I can tell you, as most any other guy in the game can as well, that looks-based compliments are very suboptimal most of the time with girls (there are times and places and ways they can work. But in general you don’t want looks-compliments as your go-to).

Let’s look at why that is and what you can do instead, EVEN IF you don’t care a lick about women’s fashion choices (like our forum member).

Why Are Women So Ambiguous? 3 Feminine Reasons

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the riddle of womenWomen can be pretty vague and confusing. Why are they so ambiguous in word and deeds? Three words: safety, flexibility, and POWER.

Hey guys. Welcome back. I hope you are all doing great.

Today, I’ll share a theory on female communication to clarify a question many men have: Why are women often ambiguous?

Why do they rarely give clear-cut answers? Why do they act so ambiguous about their interests? Why is it always a “maybe”?

“Get to the point!” is a line I hear frustrated men say to women. Yes, I have also been guilty of saying something along these lines to women, or I think it to myself.

Women convey “maybe” for many reasons. You hear her say: “Maybe we can meet on Monday,” “Maybe I love you,” or “Maybe we should do X.”

Aside from the “maybe,” which is a word that conveys ambiguity, sometimes, women’s behavior is ambiguous. They may show mixed signals or seem not to make up their minds. It gets frustrating. You want an answer, either “YES” or “NO.”

So, why do many women do that

For starters, women DO make up their minds and ARE decisive—in non-social settings. In professional settings, I rarely encounter this.

You may be asking: Is this indecisiveness due to biology? Perhaps. Biological factors are likely to be indirectly causing this. A nurturing nature, societal treatment, and how women are socialized have conditioned women to act like this, especially toward men.

I do not think it is due to irrationality. A fallacy you may have heard is that this behavior is due to women only being driven by emotions and that they are incapable of logically making up their minds. It’s a flawed (and honestly, sexist) stereotype about women being irrational.

Why does this fallacy exist? It’s a projection of male logic.

Secrets to Getting Girls: Positive Reference Experiences

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positive reference experiencesThe man who excels with women is the one who possesses enough very positive reference experiences with them. These SHAPE his mind & behavior toward women!

Want to know an absolutely ENORMOUS secret behind every guy who’s successful with women?

The BIG secret behind guys who are ‘naturals’ who effortlessly clean up with women… and the guys who go on to be über-successful self-taught ladies men?

The single biggest secret, in fact, to rapidly progressing with women, even from the point of being a pure beginner?

Here it is:

The secret is positive reference experiences.

The more positive reference experiences you can build, the faster you build them, the more STRONGLY positive they are, and the higher a proportion of the feedback you’re receiving from women those positive experiences comprise, the faster you’ll progress to doing scarily well with girls.

[WATCH] Chase Amante Interview with Alex from Bro Psychology

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New interview up on YouTube where I talk with Bro Psychology’s Alex.

We covered a huge range of topics in this interview, including:

  • Female psychology
  • Red pill thinking & catchphrases
  • Modern women’s partner counts and sexual habits
  • The rise & fall of the pickup industry
  • How dating apps have affected the sexual landscape
  • What I would change in the popular consciousness re: dating if I could

… and much, much more.

We were talking so long the sun went down!