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Barriers to Entry in Pickup and How They Affect Success

We’ve discussed various different avenues men use (and you can tap) to meet new women on here in the past:

pickup barriers to entry

I favor cold approach personally, but you can certainly make social circle or workplace dating or online work, and in fact that’s how most men meet their women.

And that’s what I want to talk about today: how you meet women and barriers to entry to those avenues.

Because in a lot of ways, meeting girls is just like doing business, and barriers to entry are no exception; the lower these are, the higher the competition, and the tinier the rewards.

Chase AmanteAbout the Author: Chase Amante

Chase woke up one day in 2004 tired of being alone. So, he set to work and read every book he could find, studied every teacher he could meet, and talked to every girl he could talk to to figure out dating. After four years, scads of lays, and many great girlfriends (plus plenty of failures along the way), he launched this website. He will teach you everything he knows about girls in one single program in his Mastery Package.

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Anonymous's picture

Chase,
how to handle a situation where you are uncomfortable.
I get it in classes. If the teacher is kind of reprimanding me
in class, some students who dislike me try to take advantage
of it, pointing out my defaults.
I end up getting tons of questions from the teacher based on
what the others said.
I kind of panic and find it hard to be in control. I do not want
to defend myself saying ," It's not true, I never did this, the guy is lying!!!"
What body language, voice tone, facial expression or anything else would
you advise me to do , I want to appear clearly control.

David Riley's picture

Hey Anon,

I would actually talking to your teacher after class and tell how you would appreciate if he didn't reprimand you in front other students like that. Very rarely have a seen classrooms where the teacher would be reprimanding a student and other students would get in on the action. That's actually something I would recommend taking to the principal. Explain to the principal the situation and ask him to mediate between you and the teacher. Now if this in college then I would bring it to the dean or department head. Hope that helps.

Take care,

Just Dave

Anonymous's picture

Hey Chase, i have an off topic question.

Patience is a virtue - goes the saying.

I ask, what do you think of this ?
As a general life question, not just in seduction, but in work, friendship, taking and delivering tasks and obligations..

Do you think having patience will benefit in the long run or should you just jump into action when the thought arrives in your head ?

These situations are the likes of, wanting higher salary, calling more often than not ( when not being answered ), etc, etc.

I think there are times when i have to analyze things more and pick the right moment to act, and times when i don`t analyze at all and just jump into action often not prepared...

I am asking you, a sort of a life question, rather than the normal seduction type questions..

Thanks in advance.
Have a nice day.

jack's picture

Master online gamer: 8 to 15 (in a conducive city)"

Wow, you know on-line gamers that can fuck 15 new girls in a week? I guess he'd have to book 2 a day and then close. Impressive. I've never seen that degree of talent with on-line game.

"Talented pick up artist: 8 to 15 (in a conducive city)"

I've seen guys get with 5 or 6 in a week. But only after they busted their ass approaching girls every night and day. 8-15 is top .03%.

"Attractive sex tourist: 10 to 20 (in, say, the Philippines)"

I don't think you mean sex tourist. A sex tourist is a guy that travels to (usually 3rd world) countries for prostitutes. Rio and Bangkok and Riga are prime examples. I think you mean the international player types like Krauser and Torero that do "Euro-jaunts" and the like for 3 - 4 week stretches. 10-20 girls in a week without paying for it would require not only great game but something else to boot. A guy would have to package significant wealth and status as well.

But all in all this was another great article. You have positioned yourself as one of the more mature PUA/Seducer sites on the web. Far better than Manospherean malevolence.

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Chase Amante's picture

Jack-

Yes - requires some pretty flexible scheduling! And, usually, a very big city, years of online game experience, and incredibly attractive photographs.

8 to 15 for pickup... I've seen a few, yeah. Usually they have a certain angle that they work very well. If you're just going for pure numbers, say in a competition, this could be fun, but you'll never do it regularly and won't be able to pull it off with a day job... there just aren't enough hours in a day. Every guy I know who's batted over 10 in a week was a business owner and combined a light schedule with enough business owner super confidence (kinda goes with the territory) to post up the numbers he did.

You're right on "sex tourist" - my bad. I just changed that to "international casanova"... there's not really a term for it. For someone who's a true sex tourist, incidentally, since he's paying for it, I'd say the sky's the limit... I've had several friends who've indulged in foursomes and moresomes with their working girls or escorts, and you can do that every day! Not my taste, but different strokes for different folks, I s'pose...

Chase

ExpectTheBest's picture

Thanks for the helpful info!

This article was truly encouraging. I find myself working in a very high barrier to entry industry. I am aiming for the top and I am determined to make it, but it can be disconcerting seeing others having more success than I, with less effort.

However, this certainly won't stop me! -Especially now that I have a better understanding of what I'm seeing when I look at the lower barrier people.

I do have a question; would you consider writing an article about meeting women with high barrier to entry goals? I spend most of my time building my portfolio, gaining experience, getting certifications, and furthering my education in my field. How do I meet a great gal when she's just as busy as I am as she works to accomplish her own goals? Sometimes I feel as though I'll meet them only when we all make it to the top. (aye yi yi!)

The majority of girls I know are either mentally OR physically attractive...I want the ambitious boths lol

Should I just suck it up and wait til I reach the top or is there something I'm missing here?

Atentamente,
ExpectTheBest

David Riley's picture

Hey Expect,

I'll make a note to inform Chase and the other authors of your request. In the mean time please a look at Professional Women

Take care,

Just Dave

ExpectTheBest's picture

Thanks Dave,

I've read it twice now. I'll be sure to be on the lookout for new articles!

Atentamente,
ExpectTheBest

Bolt's picture

Hey Chase or Dave,
I'm currently creating music and plan on releasing my debut project next spring. Now I live in a huge college town where I also do a fair bit of picking up. I remember Chase saying that he actually became a hot local celebrity during his 20's. Dave, I also believe you said you played the guitar and used that in your arsenal for pickup. Now, since I'm not building up local celebrity status right now I can approach as freely as I want. My question is should I modify the way I do pickup after I start marketing my project and attempting to rise as a celebrity or could I still just approach the way I do now (street approaches, day game, and pretty much approaching anywhere & everywhere) without any negative results?

David Riley's picture

Hey Bolt,

Yes, depending on what type of music you do you can add variation to your approaches. Last summer I was doing a lot of acoustic shows and meeting a cool array of women. Whenever I was I got bored I would play on the streets, and whenever I saw a good looking women I motioned her over. I wouldn't play her unless she dressed, while I played. ;) It worked really well, and other women would come over too. I would play either reggae music or latin tunes, I going for the more seductive route for sure. These days, I working on digital projects and trying to launch a blog helping out other musicians. You have a ton of excuses to talk to women as a musician. "Hey let me grab your opinion on music in our city." or "Do you prefer artist who are sexy or talented or both?"

The biggest thing about being musician and artist is networking constantly. Women will want to follow you on social media and such. I always laugh at my friend cause he women literally uploading selfies to him. The ironic part about it is his music is just okay. Women are more concerned of his looks. If you're a very attractive guy who does music, women will fawn over you. Especially, if you got a good looking body and can dance somewhat. When you get more of a celebrity status pick up will be a lot easier for you. Women will approach you and come talk to you. Here's the thing don't stop approaching no matter how "big" you get. Fame is like a season. One day you're relevant and the next day you're not. Hope that helps.

Take care,

Just Dave

Flames's picture

Hi Chase,

Another interesting article, but I'm not sure I agree with what your saying with types of game being any different. As you probably know I primarily just do work game which I now find really easy, but on the odd occasion I go clubbing I find that really easy too. I don't generally cold approach but I neither fear cold approach or find it fundamentally any different.

What I'm saying is that once you have the skills required (essentially the fundemental EC,BL and convo skills). I find that in not really trying in any form of game, regardless of what it's definition and I don't even really bother wondering what type of game it is I'm doing. So I'm not really sure where the barriers of entry apply. This maybe because I'm not going for a volume approach though.

On the other hand the actual concept of barriers of entry in the earlier part of your post is something I'd never even considered but is actually quite enlightening.

I also enjoyed your eye contact post from earlier in the week as this is where I started out on my self-improvement quest I've always had a fondness for these kind of posts, and although a difficult subject to explain I think you did a great job as ever.

Regards
Flames

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Chase Amante's picture

Flames-

Bear in mind, I'm talking about success rates following those specific angles.

You can certainly mix in multiple angles with different yields and get different returns... you're not stuck to just one.

So maybe a guy runs a cola company by day and practices photography by night. etc. In fact, I recommend multiple angles in everything to round out your game more - if you only know club game, say, or only know social circle, you'll sometimes find yourself in situations where you're really out of your element... better to at least dabble in everything, IMO - and then you'll have your specialties..

Chase

Jonas's picture

Good morning,
Any ideas how much connections matter in life? I had a talk with my mother, she has been working with people for over 25 years. I live in a post-communistic country and she said that today, it seems even more about what connections you have in order to "succeed" or just achieve something big. Connections tie to interpersonal relationships, which I guess means personal value or that they like you and want to keep you around. And if you are a friend with a billionaire I am sure he will invite you somewhere where normally you would not be able to travel because it is too expensive but he wants you around so he pays it and things like this. Life seems to be much easier if you are friends with the right people. And all these barriers you talked about get thinner. I am currently fighting thoughts of how being a woman is 200% better. I dont want to start hating girls because some people tend to give them things and opportunities just because they are girls. Especially if they are attractive. But I think that people want to exude less effort if they deal with a guy as opposed to a woman. Mom told me how guy-to-guy negotiations seem fiercer because there is always that space for competition while when those guys dealth with her, they were "nicer". I am sure that top business guys who want to achieve their goal that they do nto differ. But my mom seems to have this personal appeal. And we have some extreme examples like Marylin Monroe. She recently started to work as a broker and stepped into a new world where what people try to earn in a month you can have with 1 contract. And if you set it up right, you can earn millions in a year. I am not asking what should I do so I can get those benefits. But since I am a loser I kinda wonder how to make my life easier and more enjoyable right now.

Thank you and have a nice day.

David Riley's picture

Hey Jonas,

I would definitely agree with your mother, "It's what you know a lot of times, it's who you know." I'm going to share an article with you on the benefits of weak ties, people who you're familiar with but aren't really really close to. This is why it's important to never burn bridges.

Weak Ties and Strong Ties

Another article I want to share with you

The Success Factor with Women

Hope these articles help, I would also heavily encourage reading the whole success factor series as well.

Take care,

Just Dave

Wolf's picture

Hey Chase, miss ya advice man, I see you comment here and there, and it gives me hope you and dave can go 50/50 on the comments. Daves done a good job with all the comments too. I just read colts latest post, and he talked about not burning bridges and how you say how to not break them either. But how does one not burn a bridge? I burn bridge's ALL the time, some people I just never communicate with because they don't keep in contact with me and hit me up first, some people I just cut off, say of a girl made me angry or we couldn't sleep together any more, id cut her off.

Could you make a post on not burning bridges,how to maintain bridges, who you should burn bridges with, and add the benefits of maintaining bridges with old friends and girls?

My main problems are this: if someone doesn't text me first, im never going to text them ever, if they don't try to keep contact with me, im not either. If a girl flakes or stops seeing me, I cut her off.

Thanks chase

David Riley's picture

Hey Wolf,

Thanks for the kinds words, I will let Chase and the other authors know about this request. I do have some insight on not burning bridges I would like to share in the meantime.

My experience: There are just some people who just don't add any value to your life. They're negative, holding you back, and just seem to be self centered. Those are the people whom you want to avoid like the plague. The reason I'm saying this is because even if you're not a negative person, their words and actions can still affect your mind. Now some people in your life may not be the happiest person but say they're fun to watch sports with, they can be your sports buddy. The problem some people have in life is trying to make certain people fit into every aspect of their life. It's just not going to work because you end up trying to force a fit.

Now I'm not saying call the person up and tell them you're never going to talk to them again. People come and go out of our lives like seasons. One minute they're there and the next they're gone. You can't overwhelm yourself because you have to remember everyone has their own life to live. One thing I do, is keep the same cell phone number. This way if someone wants to call me up they can. I have people from my high school call me up every once in awhile. I had one of my best friends from junior high call me about an awesome party. The thing to remember is just because you don't talk to someone everyday doesn't mean you're not friends or acquaintances.

One of the last things I can highly recommend about not burning bridges is to not take things personally. Your life will be so much better if you don't let words affect you. Now I'm not saying let people walk all over you, but do give people space if they're in a bad mood. Regulate the people in your life. Don't let one particular person try to suck up all your time. Don't be afraid to tell people you want to do something different today. It's very important to put boundaries in your life. I would also make the note that it's sometimes hard to hold unto someone who doesn't care about you. On the last note, when you try to hold unto everything you end up dropping what you care most about,

Take care,

Just Dave

Wolf's picture

So I just got done reading the article and I have some questions. Think you could explain where a beginner to intermediate should expect the most success first and how long it should take to get there.( if you don't have an estimate of how much time a guy should expect before he achieves some success, you can just write when you started succeeding. )

Example of what I mean:
Easiest place to start picking up girls and getting success is to do day game.
Hardest is to do club game.
Time to achieve day game success takes 1-2 years.
Time to achieve club success takes 2-5 years.

I'm doing club game right now and im still a beginner. I've been doing it for 2 years and I still haven't slept with girls from there. I just got numbers, makeouts, and feels. I get my girls from social circle and work. Day game is still too hard for me.

I would mostly like a time frame of how long to expect some success and how many hours I should put in to make it go faster. I've been clubbing for 2 years and my results are horrible, but I only go out twice a week. I feel like I should be pulling within my first year and it sucks it's been 2.

Hope I made sense, if I didn't let me know and I'll try to fix it.

Thanks

David Riley's picture

Hey Wolf,

Since you've started with club game I would stick with it until you've gotten the hang of it and have been getting laid consistently. I would say depending on how tight your actually fundamentals and how you actual push for closes, you could see results in 3 to 5 months. Now what mean define what results are, I'm talking about actual lays. When you go for lays and seeing the interaction as far as it will go, you'll see a greater increase in results. I would also say tracking your progress will help better you as well. I still use my past lays as a reference as well as my past fails.

You're looking to develop a consistent routine that will help increase your odds of getting laid. I would also say rotate around the clubs in your town as well. Check out different events, talk to different people. By now you're probably a regular, but no one really "knows" you per say. When I would dedicate 15 to 21 hours a week to actively approaching girls out in the field. Now your work schedule may not permit those hours. You want to try and fit into your schedule when you can. Since you're doing club game you may rely more heavily on weekend hours. It's up to you how you clock your hours. Overall you're looking for consistency. That's goes for what time you go out and how many girls your approach. Depending how determined you are, it could take about a couple years to master one area of game. Remember to work on your fundamentals every chance you can.

Take care,

Just Dave

J$'s picture

Chase you said you would rather have started with day game. But how can one even start off with day game if it's the hardest? I don't mean to get rewards, I mean how can a straight beginner with no luck with women start off with the hardest thing? The doubts, insecurities, and approach anxiety would be 10x worse if he has no type of good reference points. Im not saying it can't be done, but I would like to know how can one do it from scratch with no good reference points? To me it's like playing a game for the first time on hard mode when I don't even know how to play the game. I would just like to know what mindset to have when doing something so new and difficult.

Appreciate it.

David Riley's picture

Hey J$,

It's ironic because I actually started with day game first. I found girls were less confrontational if I approached them during the day rather than night. I ran into girls who were often bored and on break from work. I talk to girls who wear dressed provocatively as well. I went to the more relaxed parts of my town such as coffee shops, novelty stores, coffee shops and even parks. Girls were just excited to have someone cute to talk to. I went out to approach women with the mentality that they will like me. I would approach girls and just talk to them about life. We'd hit the beach and make out once we got there. I was just out enjoying life, if she said no I would just move on to the next one.

When starting out with any type of day, you have to remove the fear of failure from yourself. You have to accept not every girl is going to like you. The only one way to get better is to try. The number one way to fail is to never try. Guys put so much pressure on approaching women, that they have anxiety attacks. I encourage guys to take the girl off the pedestal, and realize she's not that special.
New guys can never learn to run if they never even began to crawl.

Take care,

Just Dave

Leo's picture

I actually slept with 4 new girls once in a week. In college greek life, sororities host Formals, semi-formals, and crush parties in which the girls (usually 150 of them) select dates and will go to a prom-like setting. Anywhosies - this past spring I got dates to 3 different sorority formals (girls I met through cold approach at fraternity-sorority mixers) in which I slept with all 3 of 'em plus this new girl from class I'd been texting to go on a date with. I'm not the head of my fraternity and I'm a freshman so this would put me in the beginner social circle game but this is a very unique occurrence and the factors that lead to this were a bit of luck, teenage horniness, tons of alcohol and private hotel rooms; I am also very keen on my self-image so I have above average looks (as commented by girls). The stars aligned you could say, but definitely a very good week that I barely remember.

David Riley's picture

Hey Leo,

I'm glad to hear about your success and I wish you so more in the future. Those actually sound like some pretty great pulls. I definitely like how you played your options very well. Relying more on options instead of hoping things work out with one girl, keeps you leveled and saves time. You knew how to take action and made the opportunities happen.

All the best,

Just Dave

Driver's picture

Nice article man. Always enjoy seeing your insightful perspective. Would love to see your what an elite process in day game looks like. I know you have that article Ricardus wrote, but I don't think I've seen the man himself explain his process.

Edit: Just found your article on gaming girls shopping. Exactly what I was looking for, just didn't look hard enough.

Haraklus's picture

This is an eye opener as someone who's an intermediate in social circle and "cool" clubs and a true beginner in cold approach pickup.

I've definitely seen more results from the cool activity clubs than social circle as I've learned to apply my sexy vibe, boldness, and so on towards that end. And it's a lot more winner takes all than social circle, by a long shot. (Which works for me)

However, my truly cold approach pickup street game is still pretty weak. The most I've gotten out of that is a date or two, and they were some of the worst dates of my life. However, it's worth it to try, I suppose. I keep hitting barriers that really do prevent me form consistently going out and picking up, but I'm working on them (some promising solutions coming up, in fact). It's yet another point driven home to me that I need to approach more.

David Riley's picture

Hey Haraklus,

One benefit about cold approaching is if things goes south, it doesn't matter. Typically you won't ever see the girl again. Even if you do, she normally won't remember you. She may say that she's seen you before, but typically you can just play it off. One of the things to remember when cold approaching is getting the girl to warm up to you. It's sometimes a hit or miss, but you get better at selecting targets.

My mind frame: "Alright so let's see bitch face, she's got ear buds in, that one is smiling and looking around like she wants someone to talk to. I'll go for her!"
Me: Hi, you look like you're in a good mood.
Her: Oh yeah?
Me: Yeah I like girls who smile, I'm David
Her: Nice to meet you David, I'm Sarah

In the example above I selected a girl who looked like she actually wanted to have a conversation. Typically you'll have an easier time with cold approach with proper target selection. When you choose the wrong girl, you may bitch you out or blow you off. Fundamentals helps you select better girls and keep you from getting blown out the water. When you practice holding a conversation with a girl, approaching becomes easier. You learn to talk about things that's shes actually interested in. Some more tips include talking loud enough and making sure the girl knows you're actually talking to her. I'll hold my hand to stop girls or walk in front of them at times. You always want to open girls from the front or side and never from behind. Just some tips to keep in mind. Hope that helps.

Take care,

Just Dave

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