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12 Traits All Boring, Unsexy Nice Guys Have in Common

nice guysIn “How to Use Astrology with Girls", Balla puts in a request in the comments section:

Yo Chase, I think you should make an article about un sexy friendly guy traits. Like how you mention not to hug because it’s platonic, sending girls pictures/asking, laughing or smiling to much and a few other things guys might not know what they’re doing that are very hard to detect. You just point out all the negative mannerisms and characteristics and tell us what we should do instead. I think it’ll be a great article.

I thought this would be both a fun article to do, and one that hopefully will point out to some guys some harmful thinking they might have going on, and things they’re doing with girls that they’re shooting themselves in the feet with.

So, here goes... 12 traits that all boring, unsexy nice guys have in common.

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Ryan's picture

Loved the article - wanted to clarify that these unsexy traits you were listing were in reference to how not to act around girls you are trying to get with / have not slept with yet. The reason I say this is that, after sleeping with a girl a few times, I've found that exhibiting some of these qualities (in the proper quantities of course) can be a great way to keep her coming back, to keep the relationship door open should you be inclined to go that way in the future, and to make sure she doesn't go into auto rejection. Keep up the great work!

joey macnanorna's picture

Fallen into the trap of behaving like the above - on a few occasions - not many. People should be wise though of not falling into the trap of acting the opposite; nice guy acting like a bad boy tends to become nice guy acting like a bitter asshole. Key - in terms of my success - is to be a nice guy with strength; be nice, treat people with respect, but maintain goals, don't be a pushover, and have respect for yourself.

Slash's picture

Chase, this is a great article.

It is very important to point out these different mentalities that affect men, especially as they are sometimes hard to recognise.

I take issue with your point about media consumption though. You are right in that it affects peoples opinions, mentalities and expectations. But I think it would be quite shortsighted to stop consuming mass media altogether. Maybe too not take it all too seriously.

A lot of mass media provides us commonality ('you like Game of Thrones! Oh my god, me too, isn't Dragon lady awesome'). Also, when it comes to the more social aspect of game, knowledge is power. People are always impressed by knowledge, especially when combined with wit, wisdom and maturity.

Anyway, this is just my opinion, but I'm very involved in current affairs for my job, so I'm bound to defend it. What do you think?

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Slash-

Yes, that's very true; if you're using it for game correctly it can certainly be effective. One of the most talented friends I have with girls constantly combines biting sexual humor with the deepest and most hilarious / on-point pop culture references you'll ever hear... I don't understand half of what he says, but women laugh their ways into his bed every time.

From what I understand of Game of Thrones, it's a pretty masculine show and the messages are mostly pretty good - I think so long as you're picking and choosing your media carefully, you can be okay. For the guys who are just starting out though and don't have a very good intuitive sense about this, or aren't very good at listening to their instincts / have let modern thought dull their instincts, it's probably worth taking some time off to detox before coming back with a more skeptical eye about what's worth consuming and what isn't.

Chase

Anonymous's picture

Help me! I'm number 1, 7, 9 & 12. Being 4 nice guy traits is ruining me my dude. :(

Anonymous's picture

Hi, I read this post and the post on women being naughty. What is your definition of naughty because in my experience when a girl is really into me she either acts very dainty like a good girl or confident and "loose" like a bad girl (but both want sex). Some girls can act both ways at different times. It's possible the way I'm flirting with her or treating her influences the way she acts, and my question is: are these both considered "naughty" and is one preferred over the other? What are the implications or consequences of each mood?

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Anon-

Was just using it in the naughty girls piece in the vein of "all girls enjoy hard, raunch sex with attractive, dominant men."

Some women will act dainty when aroused because their default mode is submission in the face of dominance, so this can indeed be a sign that she's switching into sexual mode. Other women will gear up and become feisty as they become more aroused - the biggest indicator is just if you're seeing much more physical closeness, droopy eyes, a change in voice tone, more touching, heavier breathing, more pausing / running out of things to say, etc., she's getting turned on and is preparing to "get naughty" with you... provided you can lead her the rest of the way, of course.

Chase

Anonymous's picture

Hi Chase,

When a girl's trying to be difficult e.g. refusing compliance (not allowing me to sip her drink, or the shy girl who's not sure and changes her mind from "yes" to "no" when asked out), having an attitude/gone cold (probably a bit too much teasing prior), how should I handle such situations without coming across as someone who's lost his cool, being needy yet clearly showing that he's in firm control of the interaction?

After months of reading articles from this site, I can't help but to always see any sort of difficulties put on by girls as "cute and silly", at which point I just smile at them (trying to be as sexy a smile as possible) and move on to talk about other stuffs. It seems as though I don't even bother to assert my dominance over them anymore because in my mind it's just a "silly game" they play with me.

I don't push them or insist that they comply with my requests since I don't want to be seen as someone who loses his cool/get angry just because a girl refuses compliance. Am I being a "nice guy" here? Should I have pushed them/insisted that they comply instead?

What would be the socially savvy ways to handle these kind of situations - to show the girl that you are in firm control of the interaction without coming across as too strong/needy that they go into auto-rejection/lose attraction?

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Anon-

It depends on the situation, but usually you want to just drop it as soon as you get a "no" and act chill, while dialing down your enthusiasm and energy around her or getting "distracted" (very calmly and naturally) by something else. Think "she just got boring and now my attention is slowly drifting away."

Essentially, she has refused investment in you, and as a result has broken the positive spiral of increasing investment the two of you had between one another, so now things slowly start falling the other way. You don't want it to look TOO abrupt, otherwise you seem reactive, sensitive, and/or bitter; instead, it needs to be a gradual thing, so that SHE senses that she is losing you.

If she doesn't like you, this won't matter, and she won't care. If some part of her did like you though, she will try to reengage you (some girls will also attempt to out of a feeling of social obligation, but you'll generally be able to tell these girls because their efforts seem half-hearted).

If, however, it's a do-or-die situation where you're never going to see her again and she's going to leave if you don't find a way to get her to stick around, it can be worth while to pull the hard push out of your arsenal and put it into play - you won't do this in normal situations because the harder you push on something, the bigger a deal it is, and you don't want to blow up anything that's likely to be salvageable later or may have social repercussions, but in a socially anonymous situation (like a cold approach pick up) where it's over if she doesn't comply, then push away - the worst thing that can happen is it ends anyway, but the BEST thing that can happen is that she resists a lot, and then complies - and the more she resists before ultimately complying, the bigger an investment win it is for you and the larger the attraction spike you'll see in her when she does.

Chase

Anonymous's picture

Chase,

Point #8 got me thinking, should I compete with other men for the the attention of a girl in a bar, club, or social circle. Doesn't that just make her think she is better then she really is ?
Thank you Chase.

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Anon-

I wouldn't recommend competing with other men for a girl's attention; however, if you can just TAKE her attention, then get her out of there, that's certainly worth doing. Some of the funner seductions you will have are the ones where you walk into the place and there are only a handful of pretty girls, all of them surrounded by men competing for them, and you engineer a way in, grab the girl, and either leave with her phone number and meet up with her to sleep with her later or you find a way to get her out of there then and there.

When you go that route and you do it correctly, you won't seem to be competing so much as coming in to provide a much needed (and sexy) breather from all the boring guys trying and failing to interest her.

This article's a good reference on how to do that if you want to know more: "Trouncing Male Competition for Girls in the Dating Scene."

Chase

Emile's picture

Hey Chase,
Sweet article! Can you explain the intricacies of humor and what forms of it to use when around women?

Best regards

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Emile-

Haha... that's one of the biggest topics out there!

Anyway, I've had it on my article queue for a long time - when I get a sizeable enough block of time to sit down and write that one out, I will do so.

Chase

Djcozy's picture

Hi Chase,

In the article you talked about chummy/friendly actions with women and it got me thinking about friendships with women. I find myself in situations where I meet women in social activities or through my social circle who are attracted to me but I'm not. I am wondering how to communicate this? How to befriend them and rather use them as an asset to meet more of their attractive friends? And how to not create attraction, which is something I don't really have much control on yet.
If there's an article that touches this please point me in the right direction!

Cheers,

Djcozy

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DJ-

It's generally good form to flirt with most women, but if you get the sense that a girl you aren't gunning for is interested in you, it's best to scale it back with her and basically treat her the way you would a male friend - zero sexual interest, tension, or innuendo, and just factual, logical, male-oriented topics with no flirting. That sends a pretty clear message that you're not treating her as an option, and when she sees you shift into sexual mode around a pretty girl it drives home the point that you aren't being mean but you aren't pursuing her.

So long as they don't feel led on by you, most women won't interfere if you're otherwise nice and respectful and approachable and friendly toward them but not sexual or flirtatious.

Chase

Anonymous's picture

Chase can you please do another bad boy post. Including how to really get under her skin and drive her crazy (in a good way) (mostly).
Much appreciated

JustinY's picture

I second that motion! And please talk more about being Byronic.

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Anon-

Have you seen all of these (first one after your comment here)?:

Alternately, if those don't do the trick, give me a little more in terms of specifics of what you're looking for that aren't covered and I'll see what I can do.

Chase

HIV's picture

Chase, how do you approach girls walking on the street?
If I see a girl walking opposite you, coming in your direction and gives
you a quick glance, should stop her and open her?

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HIV-

That's an interesting handle.

You can stop girls like a policeman if you like when they're coming towards you -- get right in her path, put both hands up, and say, "Stop!" with a smile on your face but an otherwise authoritative voice and firm body language, though make sure you're about 10 to 15 feet from her when you do so you don't surprise her too much.

Personally, I'm not a huge fan of the stop-a-girl-who's-walking-toward-you one, and prefer to give her a smile back, then turn around, walk back up beside her, and open from the side.

Chase

tayoisrich's picture

before I discovered this site in 2012, number 12 was me! I had a few girls that just wanted sex but I was too dumb too notice!!!

I hear voices in my head...

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Good to see you on here, Tayo!

And glad you're #12 no more... ;)

Chase

Anonymous's picture

What do you think is more attractive? Just the color red or the contrast of black and white.

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Anon-

Provided we're talking sexual attraction and perceptions of power to members of the opposite sex, it's definitely red.

(you can get some sense of this yourself by imagining a woman walking toward you in black and white, and another in bright red - the one in bright red just grabs you at a visceral, emotional, primal level that black and white usually will not be able to match)

Chase

Anonymous's picture

Hi Chase, I was thinking today -- Can people fall in love with others who aren't their ideal partner? I know bonding chemicals are released from having sex and spending time with someone (but also that many people can have sex with multiple people and feel no attachment) which might confuse their brain into thinking they're in love. Is this only temporary? So I'm sure it comes down to the individual person, but are most people in love and will stay in love in their current relationship? It just seems odd that there are millions of people out there and so many people look so happy and in love in their relationships. Unless you believe that everyone has only one other special person for them out there, which is somewhat easy to disprove, there is no way that all these people are with their ideal partner even though it may seem like it.

So is there any way to tell when a girl is one who will keep me interested for the long haul or vice versa? I think you mentioned something about how feeling out of control is one of the elements of feeling in love. But how does feeling out of control or being less invested compare with other elements like level of attraction or compatibility? It's not like I can choose to be unattracted to a girl just because she doesn't meet my standards or even know that a girl who did meet my standards would fulfill me as much or even more. As I write this I realize that attraction is not logical and there probably aren't answers to these questions since there are so many variables and each person is different, so perhaps the answer is that there is no way to tell when or if you will lose attraction for someone (or if someone else will come along will peak your interest even more). I also think that, maybe humans were just meant to have multiple partners to reproduce as much as possible so people just naturally have the urge to mate with a variety of people after they've satiated their urges with one. When you talk about those couples who are still in love after 50 years is it not because they aren't attracted to other people, but that they're still attracted to eachother and choose to remain committed?

P.S. You make nice guys sound like the plague but i've been seeing many cases of attractive women with nice guys or fat guys who aren't very confident or sexy.

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Anon-

Long-term compatibility is actually a very different thing from what makes two people fall in-love. All the research I've seen on it has pretty consistently found that the relationships that start the most passionately and explosively tend to be the ones least likely to last, and the ones that begin the most calmly end up being the stablest.

How you define "ideal partner" will determine the answer to the question of whether people can fall in love with those that aren't it or not. Is it what people say they want when you ask them? Then absolutely - in fact, they're more likely to fall in love with someone who is NOT their "ideal partner" than someone who checks off every trait they list but doesn't give them that "spark." If by "ideal partner" you mean an emotional judgment (the person you just really click with), then it's a fair bit harder (since falling in love is an emotional deal), though not impossible - if you become emotionally dependent on someone and they begin flipping the right scarcity and dominance triggers, it's possible to begin feeling in-love feelings for someone who wasn't at first your ideal (though equally possible this just triggers resentment).

When you're weighing things for the long-term, it's necessary to examine both passionate and compassionate lover; you need both for the most successful long-term relationships.

As for making nice guys sound like the plague... well, it's not the end of the world if a guy's a nice guy, but sometimes you need to slap someone in the face a little bit for him to realize there's a problem at all. You can still coast by being that way, but if you want an excellent life, it's usually worth handling certain areas that will slow you down and hold you back, and I tend to think this is one of them.

Chase

GM's picture

Spot-on Chase.

I have a number of friends like this - although how much longer they'll be my friends for is another matter. It's amazing how many guys don't get it, are just plain needy, and so on. They think that being nice with women will take them places. You must be extremely selective about the company that you keep.

Good to see you're still giving the best advice on seduction out of anyone out there bar none. I started reading you over a year ago. You changed my life. You probably hear this sort of stuff from guys all the time but seriously, I appreciate it. Thank you for showing me the door. I'm happy I was smart enough to go through it.

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Cheers, GM. You're very welcome.

Friends will come and go, especially when you move through major life transformations. Few of the friends you had before will usually go through them with you - that's when you realize you simply have different value structures, and you go off in search of others with more similar orientations who'll be better fits to help and accompany you on your journey.

Each one of these you go through though, you get progressively better friends who are closer and closer to where you're at, and you'll find more and more of them are on the same trajectory as you and accompany you down the road to the same places.

Chase

Anonymous's picture

Girls like guys that are too nice until some crazy guy snatches them away. But men in reverse don't like bad girls and they hate being victims of women because of their fragile egos.

Mickey's picture

"Girls like guys that are too nice until some crazy guy snatches them away."

No they don't. As soon as the drug dealer/thug/international gun runner comes on the scene, Most women will throw themselves at them.

So, enjoy yourselves when your "exciting" bad boy knocks up both your best friend AND your sister!!!

David Riley's picture

To back up Mickey, women can't stand men who do everything they say. It's too predictable and as a result women get bored. That like men who can challenge and give them a roller coaster of emotions. Women like nice guys because they are reliable. Women know they can treat a nice however they want because they will stay and tolerate the mistreatment. A man with dignity isn't afraid to lose women and kick her to the curb. A real man doesn't keep people around who make him feel like less of a man. Mainstream has the problem of feeding people what sounds good and is impractical.

If mainstream advice actually worked, no one would be complaining. The problem in reality is getting girls takes real work. People hate change and shaping themselves. They want to put in as little effort as possible and expect huge results. Life doesn't work that way. To get anything you must put in some food of work. Even "good looking" guys still have to put in a little effort to achieve results. Only when you truly discover what women likes does pick up become easy. However, its all about dedicated time and effort. Guys should be seeking to get better with women with each approach.

Take care,

Just Dave

Mickey's picture

When being a man of your word and doing what you say you will becomes one more disability in the minds of the supposedly "fair sex," that becomes just one more closed door in the dating farce. That doesn't leave too many open doors left except for the thug route. I need another drink...

Gil's picture

I disagree. When women are putting on fancy clothes and makeup to attract guys - they're not trying to attract any and every man rather they're trying to attract Alpha males. They're not going to all that bother to attract Joe Schlub coach potato-extraordinaire nor any variant of the Nice Guy.

By the same token men are hitting the gym, wearing flash clothes, reading up articles like these to attract women who at least 6 to 7 in the looks spectrum but preferably 8 or 9. It may be cruel to say that in some respect because the amount of women in the 1-5 looks range make up something like 60% of womanhood.

Unfortunately just as most women are invisible to men when scouting for a potential partner so too most men are invisible to women too. I'd say it's a safe bet that when a men fantasises about the woman he wants to be with that she's going to be good-looking. So too most women fantasise about snagging a handsome, confident man and not certainly those creep,y nerdy, Nice Guys who either leer at her from a safe distance or do everything he can to help her and look good in her eyes.

Undoubtedly you hit the nail on the head when you described some ugly woman who thinks she's entitled to a good man for existing. Sure enough most Nice Guys are at the bottom of the looks spectrum and act surprised when good-looking women aren't paying much attention to them and deep down Nice Guys know good-looking women are most certainly not wanting to have sex with them. They know very well they can't snag a good-looking on merit alone so they do the cliché Nice Guy rigmarole because they'd rather be a sycophantic follower of a beautiful woman than be in a genuine relationship with a women who "homely" on a good day.

David Riley's picture

Hey Gil,

I agree that women are constantly out trying to attract alpha males. Because those are the guys who are going to know how to approach and talk to women. They aren't afraid to lose women. He treats her like she isn't anything special because he knows a secret. The secret that even if she says "no", there's another one that will say "yes". That's all he's looking to hear, he's not going to chase women. He replaces them and that's what makes a man likes this so rare to women. He's ballsy enough to hit on a women and hit on her friend the next instant. He's not taking anything they say personal or to heart. He's just out to see how the evening will play out. He's out approaching different women and can use eye contact to turn them on. He's really the rare top of the line man.

Just Dave

The M's picture

Hi Chase,

Say you see a girl who's a hired gun or a classmate a few times before you try asking her out. But one day (before you ask her out) she's distressed or zoned out or in a bad mood. You don't really have time to figure out what's going on or comfort her since she's behind the counter or in class. So how should you handle this? Maybe probe a little, then say something like, "Hey, how about this - let's go get tea or something tonight and we can get you all cheered up?"

Best,
The M

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M-

You'll want to skip over this here. In fact, avoid interacting with her at all if possible, and minimize your interaction if you can. You want to generally send the message with people that you will be happy to spend time with them when they're happy, but if they're going to be moody you're just going to give them the bare minimum (passing cordiality) and then be on your way.

This both communicates to them you're a high value guy who has standards and isn't going to put up with that nonsense just to partake of their company, and it also serves as a wake up call to them to knock it off and stop pouring their bad emotions out on the people around them - so it's doubly good, for you and for them.

If she's social circle or someone you see intermittently, always wait until she's in a good mood before you ask her out - you want to ask her out on a high point, not a moderate or low one, and you want to be the exciting option for her when she's raring to go, rather than the salve who's going to be there for her when she's in a bad mood (who gets to absorb all her bad emotions, and then she's off to go meet the exciting guy now that she's feeling better - let some other guy be the handkerchief, and you be the excitement).

Chase

The M's picture

Great, fortunately that's what I did...

M

Anonymous's picture

Hey chase. I've just came across your site,i appreciate your insighful and complex views on how to understand woman.
You have loads of good info. Sometimes common sense, sometimes not so obvious. Do you have a degree in psycology or is self introspection just throu practice int he field? Idont have so much time to read all your posts. i really hope you launch a new book where you touch all these matter, Will you? ill deffinetiley buy!

Regards,

David Riley's picture

Hey Anon,

Here's the link to Chase's bio
http://www.girlschase.com/about-me-chase-amante

Also, Chase is working on a new relationship book. He has already released one book so far "How to Make Girls Chase".

Take care,

Just Dave

Sebastian's picture

Article is OK, if I apply it to myself. It means I have to get her into bed the first night. I happened twice, I had a date after an already fabulous but exhausting weekend, so I was very relaxed and not keen on sex, but this was what she probably wanted and she basically called me a nice guy to my face, meant to be an insult or accusation. This happened twice, so I guess I have to get her laid and then wait for her calls, then treat her like shit so she can peg me as a bad boy and get wet from that.

Cyborg 009's picture

Once the women hits 35 and she's still single, all of this goes out the window!

Anonymous's picture

Attraction doesn't expire. It's just you failed to attach an emotion with it. what does she see, think,feel and want from you? Forget about the flirting signs its mere an auto pilot responses caused by repetition of them in regular life. It's a basic feminine thing when she is comfortable with someone. Nervousness or different behavior is what you look for as a good sign. If its not there she likes you but doesn't feel intense feeling.

Have you seen a girl with her best friend and her boyfriend? She will be all chitty chatty, touching, smiling, talking dirty and stuff like that but with her man, she will be TENSED (initially and wont be able to do regular stuff so easily like asking a super cofident girl to speak on a podium in front of 20,000 people) RELAXED as she knows she doesn't have to do all of that drama with him.

It's not about holding back but giving out 100% without worrying about an end result. If you want to have sex with her SAY IT. If you love her SAY IT. if you like her SAY IT. it doesn't matter if you have just met or not.

Make your intentions crystal clear from the moment you know what you want from her. Keep in mind my friends it doesn't matter what you do or how good you are, you just can't judge people with their intentions. You don't have to be secret agent to hide it. Quite honestly we may be even better in hiding our true intentions. Haven't you fooled your parents about parties? Lol

Even if you follow the above list, there will be times where you just can't understand what went wrong. We are humans and have complex feeling system so list may guide you but can't lead to a successful relationship.

Simply be water as Bruce Lee says, change as per your surroundings and people. 6 billion people out here so there are 6 billion tricks or systems lol. Use your own mind which is unique biological and hence can give a unique strategy to nail down someone hard.

The great pua is not the one who gets her to the bed but the one who makes girl wonder who the hell was that guy? Why am I thinking about him even after week? In short, get into her head before you try to get into her pants.

Your reality is your uniqueness so use it. No body can know who you are better than you. No body knows the exact reality of your own better than yourself.

Anonymous's picture

I fit in the category of the nice guy. and i don't believe its an ugly thing. and iv had no problem dating and hitting the closer (sex). or keeping a relationship going.

all these articals i see are writing by the latter the people that do not fit in its category and there view on matter is there personal opinion.

that said iv meet my few share of uptight woman that look down on the average nice guy my only advice is for the nice guy to not waste there time on them people. there the type you wouldn't want to be with. they have a high stranded and if you don't live upto it they go for the other guy and 90% of time you seem them single in week crying cause that other guy wasn't a nice guy.

girls these days want the nice guy the hot guy with bit of badboy in them as one package.

if hes hot and not nice that hotness only takes them so far

if there hot and badboy there a keeper to most woman but from your artical your saying

if your average and nice or average and bad or ugly and nice or ugly and bad boy you have no luck with any woman..

and as i said i disagree throw a hot guy a girl and the "ugly nice guy" on island with boat with just food and a boat.

the nice hot guy would take food and boat leave the woman..

the nice guy would give the woman food and boat right? wrong the nice guy compromises for half the food in exchange for hot guy to take the boat.

then he makes his own boat from island big enough for him and the girl.

Anonymous's picture

You don't need to conquer other men, you need to excell in your gift. Tiger excels in golf, may weather excels in boxing. It's dominating in the area you're gifted in as oppose to out shining other people.

Having sex with a girl you are not committed to attaches your soul and gives you baggage. So you go into consecutive relationships with baggage. It causes you to forget who you are and what you stand for in life. Dating game is about finding out about yourself what you can handle and can't put up with so that you can find the girl you like and willing to commit to.

You mustn't be nice and you mustn't be wicked either. Just be real and honest and vulnerable enough to do the RIGHT thing (notice I didn't say good thing cause u'l be trying be nice).. Be man enough to admit when u are wrong. Be guilt free and forgive others who have wronged u as well.

kayvan's picture

that was a fantastic article. unfortunately i found my self on some of the items but that really wake me up.

Anonymous's picture

I want to prop up Chase and a bulk of his ideas here, however, it wouldn't be honest if I did.

Unlike a typical nice guy ... when I was young, I was young, tall, handsome, and a nice (or decent) fellow. Was I getting women, despite being a "smart" looker? Not really. I wasn't into the whole drinking and drug scene and thus, I was somewhat in that rejected category. You know, that category of being a *potential* but not there yet.

When I started making money and then, started seeing escorts to get through the stresses of the career moves, I'd started losing interest in the game of dating and very quickly, after my salary started moving up, I was in demand. Strangely enough, as time went by, the average woman was not interesting to me. Even those so-called New Aged, intellectual types, no longer had that appeal as during my earlier years. Hence, the game which women played, to prop up their alleged cultural value, wasn't working.

That's when it became clear to me ... women wanted someone, who they couldn't get. Over time, I was becoming that person. For me, socializing was little more than some game, getting someone's attention and then, slowly losing interest in them.

Since I had the cash, I could have an escort at whim and thus, didn't need anyone's companionship for a quick bang. In essence, I'd seen the true value of the modern woman and for the most part, that value was highly debatable.

Chase and other pick up artist (PUA) types may believe their own press release but in the end, I think that they're no different than your typical used car salesman, who say whatever is needed to ... "always be closing". Personally, as a guy who's made it financially, I could care less for women today. In order for love to prosper, it has to happen when ppl are young, honest, and sincere with one another. Afterwards, it's simply not real anymore.

Anonymous's picture

I hate that I, as a man, am forced to be proactive and to make all the risky moves. This is just not me. I am starting to really hate women and society as a whole, seeing it as a 1 huge fake existence. I really hate that I am evaluated and judged by the thing(s) that are not my forte. So, instead of trying to become attractive and work hard to attract women, I'll rather just kick back, relax and just order a "Real Doll". This super sexy toy is hotter than 90%+ of women anyway, and it also doesn't piss me off, is not used by other guys, will not put me at risk of losing my emotional and psychological well-being by risking rejection and, if divorce to happen, "Real Doll" would not make me risk of losing my house/401k/pay chil support and alimony ,etc. Fuck women, fuck society and its roles.

MGTOW

Mickey's picture

I couldn't agree more!!!

miguel flores's picture

i'm so boring and nice (i've been all the things you mentionned in highschool), made me a
total loser and forever alone person. in fact, i'm a bitter, strict and moody person when
i'm "normal". being nice to everyone is such an habit, it's like another skin.
of course, i try to get rewards (hugs) for my kindness. now i'm always alone, nobody litterally wants me and i almost tried to kill myself so much it makes suffer to not be loved and have sex. i feel sad and lonely when i wake up the morning and go to sleep the night.
i always feel like a loser, even thought i learned knitting, made furniture for myself.
sometimes i want to butcher the douchebags and assholes who gets the women who could been with me. or to kidnap somebody so i would be not alone. i always try to make something, anything to not feel like a shit but when i talk to girls/women i just KNOW she's bored and find me not to her liking. the psychiatrists always says that life will be better but my life getting worse and worse. i've worked but had to quit due to depression and securityreasons. i was always depressed that there was no women to encounter at my job which was in the construction industry. my passions shift all the times, i don't know why, i'm never fixated on one: in my teens, it was nature, later it was insects, after that it was knitting, creating furniture and now it's making a metal glove to protect my hands from hammers and the wood crafting tools i use which are so sharp they tear the anti-cutting gloves. i have a personnality disorder/trouble called borderline. i take meds to suppress the depression but i feel so sad and broken to not be loved by a girl/woman i would like to love. i've been celibate for 8 years and it's heartbreaking to see all the other people be loved and love another and not me. i'm not a party person, loud noises tires me, but i've failed so much at been loved i don't know what i should do anymore.

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Miguel,

Everything you need is on this site.
1. Get your fundamentals handled. Check " How To Attract Women ". Work on ONE fundamental at a time and do your best to master each of them. Really put your heart into it. It's not easy and you've got to be dedicated. But believe me, you won't regret.

2. Read " How To Be A Sexy Man ". Read it 100 times and absorb EVERYTHING from it. This single article from GC changed my whole life.

Follow everything form those 2 articles and you will be very much on the right track, and girls will melt just by being in your presence. Remember, it's not easy. You won't become super sexy overnight. It takes time and effort. I personally took two and a half years to be considered by many girls as " sexy ".

On getting girls, read " How To Get Girls, The Last Post You'll Ever Need ". Literally EVERYTHING is in this post is all you need to get girls. Read, learn and go practice.

Don't give up. Take it from a guy who has been fat, geeky with poor social skills, whom girls gave looks of disgust and never enjoyed talking to. I had all those 12 traits for a long time in my life. I decided to change. Was it easy? Hell no. Things like getting a better physique, sexy facial expressions and not being too nice took a really long time to get.

I decided to change and that's it. And hey, it's not going to be easy. But you've got everything you need to succeed here. Unlike many other guys who have NO clue how to succeed, you have a clear map laid out in front of you. There are PLENTY of other articles on GC other than the ones I suggested to help you get better and better. All you need is some patience, and religious application of what has been said. Remember, get your fundamentals handled as well as your sexiness. And that's only for a start. Read other articles and see your life change.

Good luck. It's not going to be easy. Don't give up. Stick to it long enough to see results. Feel free to ask anything else. I felt compelled to reply as I was EXACTLY like you before, I used to feel the same way.

Bond.

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