10 Ways to Have a Girl Take You Seriously – and LOVE It


ways to have a girl take you seriouslyWhen you start tackling women and dating as a skill set, once you get past the initial hump of overcoming the approach anxiety you feel and getting yourself into a routine of getting out to meet new women regularly and build up experiences and test out new things, it becomes one of the more addictive things you'll do.

For most people, meeting attractive members of the opposite sex that they like is one of the most rewarding things out there, and when you start learning how to pick up a girl you realize more power and flexibility in that arena than most ever will. It's... intoxicating.

And then you hit a plateau.

You stop improving.

Things get hard... frustrating... you hit a barrier it starts to feel like you'll never get through.

Last week on the post about indirect game, Balla made a comment about one of these barriers he'd hit, and it was one I recognized myself, because it plagued me for a long time. Here's his comment:

Hey chase, just want to say i like how you stay so apart of this website and help us guys out but can you please tell me what I'm doing wrong. I come straight out with my interest to females, I move fast, i dont stick around them very long or do any of that friend zone crap because my time is important, they give me so much attention, they flirt with me, they hug up all over me and hold hands, they buy me things and drive me around. I get treated like a star with all the compliance I get but when it comes to them coming over my pad it never happens. What's going on?

What's happening to Balla - and what happened to me, and what happens to most guys who learn game - is all about one big, and very annoying when you're going through it, problem: women not taking you seriously.

And to get you over that hump, I've put together this article, on entirely that topic; to teach you once and for all the ways to have a girl take you seriously.



ways to have a girl take you seriously

When you're new to pickup and you make it past the initial hump of internal resistance you feel, you go through something of a honeymoon phase similar to what you feel when you first fall in love - you've found a magic new preoccupation that imbues you with vaunted new abilities the more you work at it, and there are as many variations and possibilities with it as there are blades of grass on the hills.

You start seeing successes: you learn how to get a phone number and you do get phone numbers; you learn how to get a date and you do get dates; you learn how to kiss a girl and you do kiss girls.

It starts feeling like you're on top of the world.

Most often when you're new at something, you tend to be content with the small success. And you should be... relatively. Comparing yourself to Tiger Woods on your third round of golf all time, or to Mozart two months into learning piano only highlights for you how far you have to do, and unless you've already mastered mastering things, that only serves to discourage you.

No, when you're new, you have to measure your progress now relative to where you were at different times in the past. That's how you know how well you're doing, not how you compare to the best in the world.

And depending on where you're at with learning pickup and seduction, various things can seem like very satisfying accomplishments:

  • Saying "hi" to a girl you don't know
  • Getting into a conversation with a new women
  • Getting a girl's phone number
  • Having a girl agree to a date
  • Talking to a girl on the phone
  • Actually going out on a date with her
  • Getting a kiss with her
  • Sleeping with her
  • Getting a certain number of phone numbers in a day or night
  • Doing a certain number of approaches in an outing
  • Pulling off some kind of "special" seduction (e.g., in an airplane)
  • Sleeping with multiple women within a given timespan
  • Having threesomes or foursomes
  • Getting a really high caliber girlfriend
  • Getting multiple high caliber girlfriends
  • Getting engaged
  • Getting married
  • Having kids

No matter where you're at with your progression in seduction, there's probably something on that list there that is what you consider to be your "high watermark," and if you could get there right now you'd be thrilled.

And there are things beneath that mark that seem like child's play to you, and things far over that mark that seem outlandish or impossible or maybe not even to be things that you want.

Thing is, if you're always working to improve your skills and abilities with women, that mark is always changing.

You're brand new to learning how to get girls, so you start off thinking it'd be great if you could get into a conversation with a new woman you don't know more easily.

Fast forward a month or two, and this has become normal protocol for you; you do it all the time. Now, what you'd really like is if you could figure out a few ways to have a girl give you her phone number a lot more reliably.

Fast forward another month or two after that, and you've got as many phone numbers as you'd care to have, and something else is your new high watermark.

Usually, this continues for a while, as you get down some of the basics, and you're more or less rolling on easy street. It's not easy, of course - you're working hard and learning - but the progress you're making is steady, and you know you'll get there with enough hard work and enough smart work.

You'll get there.


That Growing, Gnawing Dissatisfaction...

ways to have a girl take you seriouslyI've seen a handful of guys skip this - mostly guys who'd had success with women in the past through social circle or other places and intuitively knew the right things to do, they'd just never tried cold approaching strangers before in bars or parties or nightclubs or coffee shops or the street. And once they had their legs under them, the rest of the pieces were already in place and they just soared.

If you're like most guys reading this site though, and if you're like I was, and if you're like I suspect Balla was prior to where he's at right now, you're not coming from a history of social circle success. You can't look back on a bunch of past experiences and say, "Yeah, that's how I slept with that girl... and that one... and, oh, haha, that one, that one was a kicker!"

You're making it up as you go along. Learning the game as you play it. You reach Level 5, and it's your first time there, and you get killed a whole lot. Reset. Try again.

But what happens when you keep getting killed on Level 5? What happens when you just can't beat the boss character and have to keep playing the same level over and over and over again?

It gets REALLY frustrating.

It feels like... you know where you need to get to.

And you know what you need to do to get there, at least you think you do.

You just can't do it.

You've hit a plateau, and you just can't seem to figure out any ways to have a girl do the thing you want or go the way you want her to go. You're stuck.

For the record, here are the major plateaus I hit in my progression with pickup:

  • Not being able to get proper dates (2005)
  • Not being able to get phone numbers (early 2006)
  • Not being able to pick up girls and get them home (late 2006)
  • Performance anxiety with girls I'd picked up (early 2007)
  • Awkwardness / lack of "smoothness" in social situations (late 2007)
  • Drinking too much (2008)
  • Pickup still being hit-or-miss and not being able to make it consistent (2009)
  • Close game when alone with girls still being hit-or-miss and not consistent (2010)

It took me a good five years or so, but I eventually vanquished every major plateau I'd set out to vanquish when I started learning game. Most of these plateaus I spent 6+ months on. You can imagine how frustrating every single one of them was. I don't think this is the norm; in fact, most guys I train seem to progress a lot faster than this. I think this is mainly because I try to figure everything out for myself, and I often couldn't find good resources on cracking a lot of these nuts.

The one Balla refers to - the one I also termed girls seeing you as "cute-but-not-ready" - I didn't fully solve until 2009. I didn't finally piece together a set of ways to have a girl take you seriously until then.

Not because it's so hard you'll have to spend four years on it to nail it down, though... just because I didn't have anyone there to tell me what it was.

Fortunately, however, that isn't the case for you.

After all... you've got me!

So let's get you "ready."


way to have a girl take you seriously

Picking up women's a tough lot before you've got it down pat. Most women will respect you for doing it - they know most men can't, and they know they certainly couldn't - but that doesn't necessarily mean they'll like you anymore than the next guy.

It just means you'll meet more of them, and you'll get a heck of a lot more opportunities with them than that wallflower off in a corner of the bar nursing a beer or that fellow sneaking glances at you out of the side of his eye as he passes you talking to some girl on the sidewalk, wishing to himself he had the nerve to do what you are.

Once that initial honeymoon phase of learning a new skill set wears off though, you soon realize you aren't getting exactly what you want.

Women aren't responding to you the way you think they ought to. The tweaks you're making to your game aren't having the impact you expected they would. Something's broken... and you don't know what. And how can you fix it if you don't know what it is?

If you go through the material on this site - the programs, the articles, even the soon-to-be-launched members' forum - you'll find ways to have a girl do most of the things you want her to do, and ways to turn yourself into the kind of man women want to do those things you want them to do with.

But one thing we haven't covered on here yet is that thing that plagued me and nipped at my heels for the longest time, and the one I've seen doing the same thing to countless other men working to learn pick up, many of whom I've watched drop out of the game with a "good enough" girlfriend before they ever figured it out and unlocked the kind of paradigm-shifting results with women that would truly change their lives forever... is how to get taken seriously.

How do you have women stop seeing you as "that guy who approached me to 'game' me... isn't that cute?" and start seeing you as "that super sexy powerful guy I was SO lucky to meet!"?

Well, I'm going to take you through a number of ways to have girls see you exactly like this.


10 Ways to Have a Girl Take You Seriously... And LOVE It

So what's the deal with a woman not taking you seriously, anyway?

As it turns out, it really boils down to just three things:

  1. She doesn't see you as an authority figure
  2. She doesn't view you as a "scarce resource"
  3. And she isn't more invested in you than you are in her

Fix those three, and women start taking you VERY seriously.

But how do you do that?

Well, below, I'm going to break each one of these three aspects of being taken seriously down into their respective parts, and I'm going to hand you 10 different ways of having girls take you seriously, right now.


Being an Authority Figure

In the past, there was more equality among men in how women perceived them in the West. Some men were more manly than others and received more respect from women, and some men were less in-charge than others and women treated them a bit matronly, as though those men were children to be spoken to softly and handled delicately.

We've had a culture shift in the West, and particularly in North America, over the past 50 years however, and Western culture has begun a reversion to a more primitive, natural state; not one where culture and society holds sway and individuals subsume their wants or needs under that of the society as a whole, but rather to a place where the yoke of society is cast aside and the desires of the individual outrank all other things.

And with that has come a growing and widespread disinterest in and disrespect for anything but the most powerful, authoritative men among women.

Women have become far more polarized in the West than they are in other parts of the world, and it's quite maddening before you break through the authority barrier, but it's overwhelmingly powerful after you do.

In the past, women were pushed to marry quickly by society, and shamed if they did not, or shamed if they were too casual about intimacy. Because of this, the value of a powerful man was lower and the value of an average man was higher; the most important thing for a woman was not being with a man who made her feel excitement and awe and desire, but rather being with a man who would give her a wedding and a ring and a house with a white picket fence and the kind of social acceptance she required.

But things have changed. Women rebelled against artificial social controls, and threw them off. Now women pursue their emotional and biological drives without the restraint of social control or the burdens of social expectations... which means they don't care anywhere near as much about those things they used to care about anymore.

They will still say they do... one must keep up appearances, of course. But to any man who's spent much time actually out in the field among women, women's actions speak far louder, and their actions say these words are not correct.

These days, Western women want what women originally evolved to want: a powerful, dominating man who inspires awe and demands respect.

ways to have a girl take you seriously

And they either ignore (if they themselves are powerful), patronize (if they collect orbiters or men to place in their friend zones) or at times outright despise (if they themselves are weak) every other kind of man.

Being an authority figure confers advantages in other parts of the world, but nowhere are the advantages as extreme and polarized as they are in the West. Many Western women will dismiss or despise men who show signs of weakness, while holding in awe the men they deem authorities.

But how do you become a man like this? How do you transition from being a man who's ignored, patronized, or despised to being a man who awes women?

  1. Do not chase. 60 years ago, a man could chase after a girl and ask her on a date, and it was cute, and the girl liked it. These days, most women are put off by this. You don't ask a girl out by being timid or formal about it; you do it casually, matter-of-factly, and smoothly. The moment you chase today, you're finished; she's lost interest, you are too "easy," and she's moved onto a more "interesting" man.

    Learning to not chase women requires something of a mindset reboot for some men. You need to be able propose what you want to propose while not really needing it and not seeming to care if you get it or not. Eventually, you won't terribly care if you get it or not, because you'll know if you simply ask enough women you will get it (whether that's a date or a kiss or for her to come home with you). The "ask" should be a natural part of your conversation, you should flow into it effortlessly, and it should feel natural for her to either say "yes" or to simply just go along with things, e.g.:

    Girl: [as they're walking] So why do you like adventurous things so much?

    Guy: You mean you don't like adventures?

    Girl: It's not that I don't like them, it's just that I want to know why you do.

    Guy: Okay, fair enough. I think it's because - hey, let's sit down over here [both sit]. I think it's because I...

    Weak, unattractive men chase. Strong authority figures of men just say "let's do this" and then both do.

  2. Be hard-won. A hundred years ago, only the most privileged women or the most vivacious women had the will to chase a hard-to-get man... most others would give up and settle for an easier man much sooner. No more. Women today are drowning in CHOICE... it's just that most of that choice doesn't have much to offer. And you stand out much more from that choice if you are almost not a choice, instead.

    How's this work? Imagine you're an average 20-something girl in the United States, and 15 or 20 or 40 different men every week call you, text you, message you on Facebook, hit on you, or compliment you at school or work. GOD, men are so boring and predictable, you think to yourself. All they want is sex... sex with ME! I'm so desirable, and men are so annoyingly obvious. God.

    Then, one day, you meet a man. An interesting man. A man who seems... different. And he doesn't chase you. He doesn't compliment you. He isn't interested in the fact that you are a woman... in fact, he seems to think there are lots of other women just like you all over the place. Suddenly, you don't feel so special. You feel like just another girl to this guy... why doesn't he realize you're amazing?

    He isn't one of those bitter men who's insulting you to put you down and feel better about himself. In fact, he's nice! He's charming! He just... isn't going crazy about you. He talks to you, and you can tell he's flirting... but that it's just a game for him. He isn't taking you seriously!

    Yes, this is just as frustrating to women when you do it to them as it is for you when they do it to you. And this is how I learned this, and how you should learn it to: use the same exact strategies and techniques women use on you right back on them, because they WORK!

    The women you meet have honed their abilities to not take men seriously and drive those men crazy trying to gain emotional validation from those women who aren't taking them seriously into an art form. It really comes down to giving enough attention that the other person feels she has a shot with you, but not giving so much attention that she feels like she can get you. You're always there, just within her reach, but just outside of it.

    Ingredients for this recipe:

    • The bored look
    • The skeptical look
    • Giving her attention that slowly increases as she contributes more and more
    • Becoming distracted if she begins moving backwards or acting uppity
  3. Mix those together and you are now interacting with women the exact same way they act with most men. But you're also doing another thing - you're emulating the behavior of a man with tons of CHOICE with women. You're simply being the man women dream of getting in today's day and age: the ridiculously preselected man who's hard to win over and finds most women of little interest (except her... once she's won you over, that is).

  4. Create tension. The other thing that being hard-won does is it creates tension. We discussed sexual tension in yesterday's post, but that's just one kind of tension - there are others. Most men defuse tension, because they think defused tension, which leads to women being more comfortable around you, is better.

    But when you defuse tension and make women feel more comfortable around you, they feel less pressured to impress, and stop seeing you as an authority figure.

    You need to seriously gauge this to the woman, however. Some women simply can't handle much tension and will leave. Some women don't want any tension at all, they just want a man who will actually listen to them for once. You don't meet many of these women in the West, though. Women in the West long for tension... they long for a man who'll put them through a ringer, trying to decide if they meet his requirements... or not. Most men in the West these days are GREAT at listening without probing, and women are tired of it now.

    Now, this is important: you don't want to judge her, but you do want to probe her. This is where effective deep diving comes into play. Most men she tells her life story to let her get away with half-assed answers about why she's working at some crappy job she doesn't like or why she doesn't take that world tour she wants to take. She gives some poor excuse, and they go, "Oh, okay," if they even ask in the first place. You can't do that. Instead, you must hold her accountable.

    Don't fear tension - get excited about it. A master conversationalist is one who uses tension to find out important things about her. She should never fear being judged, but she should fear giving you a half-assed response.

  5. Inspire. We've talked about inspiring a few times on the site here before - I've mentioned, Colt's written about it. Inspiring isn't about telling someone, "You can do it!" Anybody can tell anyone that, and at this point, after decades of uplifting, "You can do anything you WANT!" messages in the mainstream media, I think most of us have grown weary and cynical of these vanilla-flavored "inspiring comments." They're NOT inspiring.

    Truly inspiring someone is about finding out who they are, what they really want to do, what's standing in their way, and asking them what stopping them from clearing that obstacle aside and getting on with it, all the while not talking about yourself (e.g., "I did it, and so can you!"). You can talk about yourself at the beginning to ground a story and give it some emotional heft (e.g., as I did at the start of this post), but nobody wants to hear about you midway through when they're really thinking about them.

    Here's an example inspirational conversation:

    Guy: If you had a million dollars in the bank, what would be the most important thing you'd do for you?

    Girl: Well, I think buying my parents a really nice house would be number one.

    Guy: No, I don't mean for people you care about, I mean you.

    Girl: For me?

    Guy: Yes, something just for you. Something that you dream about doing in the middle of the day when you're bored out of your mind and you let your fantasies run wild.

    Girl: Hmm... well... I'd probably write my book!

    Guy: What book?

    Girl: The one I want to write.

    Guy: Well sure, of course, but what's it about?

    Girl: Well, I've had this story in my head since I was a little kid... it's kind of silly.

    Guy: Stephen King thought Carrie was a silly story when he wrote it, too. Try me.

    Girl: Okay, well it's not Carrie.

    Guy: So what is it?

    Girl: It's a book about these little people who live in a cave in a mountain and help people by using their magic powers.

    Guy: That's... interesting...

    Girl: [laughs] See! I shouldn't have told you!

    Guy: No, I'm glad you did... well go on. What happens to the little people - why's this an interesting story and why would someone want to read it?

    Girl: Well, one day the youngest spell caster of the little people - a girl name Suze - disappears out into the wider world.

    Guy: And the story is about what she finds.

    Girl: Exactly.

    Guy: It sounds like an allegory for your own life - or perhaps the life you'd like to live some day.

    Girl: Maybe...

    Guy: So why haven't you written it yet?

    Girl: I don't have time.

    Guy: Do you watch TV?

    Girl: Just one show.

    Guy: Do you hang out on Facebook? ... I know you do!

    Girl: [laughs] Yes, I hang out on Facebook.

    Guy: How many hours a week?

    Girl: [laughs] A lot.

    Guy: And what would happen if you used half of that time for writing your book? How long do you think it would take?

    Girl: [laughs] But I need that time!

    Guy: So how long would it take?

    Girl: Six months or a year.

    Guy: But you could do it.

    Girl: I could.

    Guy: So you see - you don't need a million dollars. You could do it right now.

    Girl: I never thought about it like that.

    Guy: Just depends how bad you want it, is all.

    Girl: I do want it.

    Guy: Then you don't have any excuse.

    Girl: [mesmerized]

    When you are able to show people things within themselves that they did not even know were there, you become an authority to them like few others ever have or ever will... because you are able to help them unlock their own potential.

That's authority. Do those things:

  • Do not chase
  • Be hard-won
  • Create tension
  • And inspire

And women will see you as powerful, inspirational figure who stands apart from the thronging, clueless, emotionally-driven unguided masses. They will see in you a potential leader, someone who can summon them to greater things and give purpose to their lives beyond what they themselves see in them now.

And that will help them to take you very seriously.

But there are two other parts to this, so don't ride off into the sunset just yet - we still need to cover being scarce, and getting her invested.


Being a "Scarce Resource"

The good news is, all the things you do under the "be an authority" category increase your scarcity automatically, simply because no one does them. Immediately after you start embodying the qualities of an authority, you become someone unlike 999 out of a thousand people she meets (or more).

But there are a few other things you can do to up your scarcity, too.

Why's it good to be scarce? Because it makes women take action.

The reason she never sleeps with that guy she's just friends with is because he's not going anywhere. If you and I know the same girl, and she likes both of us, although she thinks I arguably have more value to her life than you do, but she also thinks I'm not going anywhere and I'll always be around and that you are going to be almost impossible to get a hold of again once you're gone, whom do you think she's more likely to sleep with or date?

If you guessed me because I'm a little higher value and I'm more available... you guessed wrong. Common misperception among less experienced men or men still stuck being nice guys. Fact is, people want what's scarce. And women are as guilty of this as anyone else:

  • Zara, the clothing store retailer, sells more clothes than other retail clothing outlet because it changes its inventory so frequently. Most clothing stores, a girl walks in, sees something she kind of likes, and figures she'll deliberate on it a little bit later and maybe get it next week or the week after, and then she never buys it. When she walks into Zara though, she sees something she kind of likes, knows it won't be there next week when she comes back, and decides to buy it on the spot just so that she'll have it.

  • Diamonds, you might not realize, are far more common than amethysts. Yet, amethysts are cheap to buy, while diamonds are incredibly expensive. Why? Because DeBeers has effectively monopolized the supply of diamonds, and created a market out of thin air by inventing the diamond engagement ring tradition (it was invented in early 20th century America by DeBeers magazine advertisements and did not exist before then). Because of the false feeling of scarcity, diamonds have become both prized and incredibly over-priced, a luxury item whose value is entirely based on a false sense of scarcity.

Diamonds - these "scarce" rocks (that aren't actually scarce at all) - are a girl's best friend... and a man who is himself scarce is a girl's best choice as lover.

Here are three ways to have a girl start seeing you as a lot more scarce:

  1. Don't be available as a friend. Western women these days are devoted "fan collectors:" they collect fans on Facebook. Fans via text message and phone call. Fans via social circle. Fans everywhere! I've started seeing it in other parts of the world too - women in big cities in Asia are beginning to accumulate large followings of fans as well. It's almost inevitable these days that at some point a woman asks you for your Facebook, or to join her on a friendly social outing, or to "give her a call sometime."

    You must ignore these overtures.

    Unless you want her as a platonic friend, of course. Otherwise, never accept these; they're the kiss of death. Don't tell a girl that, of course... many women get upset when they hear this and insist that being their friend first is the surest road to dating them or sleeping with them. Until, that is, you ask them how they met the last couple of guys they slept with, and how they met their last couple of boyfriends. Oops... no friends first! Or until you ask them how many guys they were friends with for 3 months or more that turned into lovers or boyfriends of theirs, compared with how many lovers or boyfriends they've had who didn't go through that gauntlet. That's when the anger subsides and a look of amazement passes over a woman's face and she goes, "OHHHhhhhh...."

    Do NOT be available through normal friend channels if you want to sleep with girls or date them. When you're starting out, this feels hard to do, like you're limiting your opportunities to get girls, but in fact you're upping the odds that you can make something happen with one of those girls who tried friending you, and you're freeing your time to focus on women you actually stand a chance of bedding or dating (rather than ones who have an ulterior motive of keeping you permanently in orbit in the friend zone).

  2. Be leaving - or mostly off - the market. There are a variety of ways you can be about to "come off the shelves," whether it's because you're about to leave the city (or the country), whether you think you might ("I'm not sure how much longer I plan on staying here"), whether you're gearing up to buckle down on some project that's important to you and scale back your social life, whether you're taking on a new hobby or activity that's going to take up most of your free time, or whether you have already.

    If your time is always scarce - this is especially easy if you run your own business, or website, or manage some project of your own - you should absolutely highlight this with women.

    It's a common rookie mistake that you don't want to seem too unavailable to women, but in fact it's the guys who are too available who have the most trouble. So long as you are somewhat available, you're fine.

    For instance, she tells asks you if you hang out with friends a lot, and you tell her, "Honestly, I've really scaled back my going out... I just don't have the time for it these days. I still like going out, but other things have the priority now." When she asks you like what, you can tell her how you're training in martial arts four nights a week, or working on launching your own software-as-a-service online business that you're not certain will succeed but that you're going to do everything in your power to make succeed.

    When you ask her to grab some food with you sometime, because she understands that your time is more valuable (than, say, some guy who simply spends his day sitting around waiting for some girl to text him back), she's more likely to be enthusiastic about this, and more likely to value the time you give her.

  3. Don't talk about WHY you're so, or how busy you ARE. Just be busy. You've probably met the guy or girl who talks about how he/she is SO busy with so many things and how hard that is. This person just sounds like he/she lacks any degree of personal schedule control... he or she probably just can't say "no" to people.

    If you don't text a girl back for a while, don't explain yourself in the text, just text her back, no explanation (or at most a "Hey, sorry I didn't text you back sooner, saw your text but got pulled away before I could respond. So yeah, I think that's a great idea to meet at..."). If you miss her phone call, just say, "Sorry I missed your call," before launching into a normal conversation - don't explain. And be available sometimes, but not always.

    The result of this is, people really respect your time. I'm back to working 14 hours a day these days, and it's intense, but there've been times I was burnt out and not getting much done but women would still be telling me, "I know you're really busy, but..." Not because I told them I was busy... just because I appeared for all the world to be, because I wasn't getting to their texts or phone calls that quickly (or sometimes at all).

The difference between a man a woman thinks is always available for her, and expects to be available for her, and a man a woman thinks is a "scarce resource," hard to get a hold of and difficult to get time with, is vast. Take two men, otherwise exactly the same, and make one of them there whenever a woman wants him or needs him, and the other one only periodically there and other times not, and girls will go for that latter guy every single time.

Not as a friend, of course. Girls HATE these guys as friends.

They only like them as LOVERS.

And ladies commenting on the site, this isn't a "how to be really good friends with a girl" website, it's a "how to get a girl in bed and turn her into your lover or romantic partner" website, which is why the advice is what it is (if it was about how to be your really good friend, the advice would be different, trust me).


Getting Her More Invested Than You

Now we come to the last three of our 10 ways to have a girl take you seriously (and love it): getting her more invested than you are.

To kick these three off, I want to recall part of Balla's comment that I launched into writing this article to address. Specifically, I want to highlight this portion of what he said:

[T]hey give me so much attention, they flirt with me, they hug up all over me and hold hands, they buy me things and drive me around. I get treated like a star with all the compliance I get but when it comes to them coming over my pad it never happens. What's going on?

Investment is a deceptively simple-seeming concept to learn because it seems straightforward enough: just get girls doing things for you.

I developed the Law of Least Effort as I tried to figure out why this didn't always lead to amazing seductions with women. I'd be getting so much compliance and a girl would be so invested in me... why didn't we get together?

The reason, it turns out, is that it isn't simply the investment itself that matters; it's the investment PLUS what you DO to GET that investment.

So, if you got her to give you her hand, but you had to work like holy hell to get it, you haven't moved as far ahead in the interaction as you might've thought you would've. Unless, that is, you seemed effortless in your efforts to get her to give you her hand.

And therein lies the rub with investment: you must get women feeling as though they are more invested in you than you are in them.

Because if it's the other way around... if a girl thinks you're more invested in her than she is in you... that's not the expectation she has of a man she'd find attractive. She'll feel obligated to give you some kind of compliance in return if she wants to keep you around her, simply for all the effort you've put into being around her.

But the big game hunter who's the head of the tribe doesn't overinvest himself in women. They overinvest in him, competing for his attention and affections.

It's the guy sitting there throwing rocks at the grass without much to offer who goes above and beyond investing in a girl more than she's invested in him. And women connect the dots to mean just that... if they're over-investing in you, you must be highly desirable. But if you're over-investing in them, you must be... not highly desirable.

So how do you get them not only investing, but feeling that investment?

  1. Be slow and be calm, and don't over-comply. When you're slow and calm, people are more willing to do something themselves than to ask you to do it. It's the energetic, wiry people that get asked to comply.

    You see a gorilla jumping around the cage, full of energy - he looks cute! So you ask him, "Hey little buddy, hand me that coconut over in the corner, would you?" Then you see a slow-moving, calm gorilla sitting in the corner of the cage, who turns his head v-e-r-y slowly to look at you when you try to get his attention - do you ask him to hand you a coconut? No, I doubt it, right? Especially not if you're in the cage there with him and there are no bars between the two of you. You probably leave the dominant-looking gorilla alone.

    Most people also "chicken out" if you are slow and calm and effortless (the "King" role we discuss in the post on sprezzatura) and they ask you to do something, and you pause for a moment as if deliberating whether you should. "It's okay, I'll do it," they'll often say, then do it themselves.

    Getting women invested in you isn't just about having them comply - it's also about avoiding over-complying, especially with silly or needless requests, yourself. I strongly advise you get good at shutting down silly requests like, "Can you take my picture?" or get very good at doing these extremely effortlessly as if you are doing her a favor but it's not a big deal (rather than making a song and dance out of them as many newer guys do).

  2. Continually get larger and more meaningful degrees of investment. A second investment mistake a lot of newer guys make is thinking that a lot of little compliance = BIG compliance. e.g., you'll see a guy get a girl play a game with him, then show him her bracelet, then let him sip her drink, then qualify herself to him on her cooking abilities, and then he tries to take her home and gets flatly rejected and he says, "Why?! I GOT compliance!"

    Investment needs to follow the same arc as conversational deep diving does - starting out light (or occasionally diving right into the deep end of the pool when the situation calls for it), then getting progressively more significant. So, start out with small things, like having her lean forward to show you her necklace, then progress to more meaningful things, like having her move with you, having her explain her dreams and motivations to you, and having her admit to liking or desiring you.

  3. Reward her for her investment... with sensuality. How you reward a woman for the investment she makes in spending time with you and being with you is tremendously important in determining how seriously she takes you.

    If, for instance, she invests in you and you reward her with humor, then you're the fun guy (and fun guys make great friends). Or, if you don't reward her at all, then you're the ungrateful guy (and ungrateful guys don't make good anythings, although some low self-esteem women might chase after them harder because those are the kinds of guys they go for... but these are not the women you want).

    Now if, on the other hand, you reward her compliance with increased sensuality... if you dial up your sexy vibe and really let her have it... if you touch her more, and more warmly, and more intimately... it becomes clear to her what her reward for continuing to invest more in you will be:

    Great sex!

ways to have a girl take you seriously

    Some women will rebel against this, refuse the sexual frames you give them as rewards, or push back against touch following investment, or tell you, "It's okay," or some such dismissive comment. And that's okay - you WANT that to happen. These girls are communicating to you that they're not interested in you like that, and they only want you as a platonic friend.

    Which is a clear-as-daylight sign that they want one thing from you - your time, spent on them as a platonic friend - while you want something else from them - a lover. That also means that the two of you won't be compatible - you should stop spending time with her and go find a different girl to be your lover, and she should stop spending time with you and find a different man to spend time with and be her platonic male friend.

    For this reason, you can look at rewarding investment from women with sexual attention as a screening and filtering mechanism - you screen out women who are "cold leads" - the ones who protest sexual escalation and don't "see you like that" - and you screen in women who are "warm leads" - the ones who are thrilled that you're escalating things physically, and who will now give you more and escalating investment to help things along the right course.


TL;DR

The article above weighs in right around 7,300 words. If that's too much for you to take all in one sitting, here's the gist of it:

Women take men seriously:

  • Who are authority figures
  • Who are "scarce resources"
  • Whom they are more invested in than the other way around

To be an authority figure you must:

  1. Not chase women - authority figures don't chase.

  2. Be hard-won - she's got to work to get you.

  3. Create tension - she should want to impress you - and that will create tension. Don't alleviate it.

  4. Inspire - a man who can inspire is an instant authority figure to any woman whose heart he touches.

To become a "scarce resource" you must:

  1. Not be available as a friend - you want to be a lover? Don't be a friend.

  2. Be leaving of off the market - everyone responds to sales "closing soon" - be that sale

  3. Don't talk about why or how you're busy - just be busy - she'll value your time far more than the poseurs who simply try to pretend to be busy

To get women more invested in you than you are in them:

  1. Be slow and calm and don't over-comply - the head gorilla looks at you slowly when you ask him to do something, and you usually just go do it yourself after that

  2. Continually escalate investment - start small, but don't stay small in your compliance. Keep getting larger and more meaningful forms

  3. Reward investment with sensuality - not friendship, fun, or anything else. Make it sensuality, and you'll quickly scare off the women who aren't serious about you as a man and a romantic partner, and you'll excite the women who are

Employ all of those ways to have a girl take you seriously, and I guarantee she will. This is the stuff a man does when he isn't playing around... leave all the "being her friend stuff" to the guys who aren't serious. You just focus on being her lover.

With a man operating on this level, you compel women to act - if they're interested in you, that is. And the great thing about this list is, it's great at drawing out the women who are interested... and amplifying that interest.

This way, you won't have to spend three years pulling your hair out trying to figure out how to get women to stop viewing you as "cute-but-not-ready." You get out there and solve that one for yourself for good, right now, instead.

Chase Amante

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Anonymous's picture

Autorejection


Now, my question is... how does this tie into auto-rejection? What if you're not taking girls seriously enough and they start autorejecting?

I ask this because I have a lady friend, and she's fun to be around, but I'm not interested much in the sexual aspect. Lately she has been doing stuff like not walking with me after class, or complaining, or not responding to my text a few days later (I needed a study buddy).

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Re: Autorejection

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Hi Anon,

That's the trouble. If you're clearly not taking someone seriously - you're teasing her a little, you're not intimidated by her, you're clearly more in control, etc. - if you don't want her to auto-reject, you've got to be giving her back warmth and escalating with her.

If you can't do that, you want to knock off any kind of male-female teasing and simply treat her the same you would a male friend, without the banter or posturing. It sounds like she may have wanted more than you did here and gotten irked that she couldn't get it, and you probably have some measure of culpability in that (some flirting, playing around, etc. that led her to think she had a shot originally). Not much you can do once it reaches auto-rejection, usually, except learn from it and do things differently with the future women you meet.

Cheers,
Chase

The Tool's picture

Remaing scarce, and not chasing (long distance)


Hey Chase, I recently met a girl last weekend while visting some friends at their college it is 2.5 hours from where I live. (she was outside their social circle-met her in the same dorm my friend is) Talked to this girl, touched and all that massive attraction, told her shes a cool girl and she should give me her number and she did. texted her the "this is "the tool" save my number. she said ok I will :). Thing is she does go to school 2.5 hours away from where I live, but it turns out she also lives in the same area I do in fact her familiy lives 6 mins away from me. I told her the next time im at her college, or the next time she is in town that we should grab some coffee or a bite sometime. to which she replied absolutely I look forward to it. and she also stated that she probibly wont see me for a month, she wanted to do something over thanksgiving when she is in town but I will be out of town, so she said we should definately do something over winter break, to which I replied with "definately" there was someother banter like me teasing her about sending me a friend request I slyly said "a friend request? i accept.Better not start creepin! and I much prefer it when two people get to know eachother in person ;)" to which she replied "I do too ;)
but we wont see eachother for a while and facebook is meant for creeping lol"

I do want this option to remain open but she will not be back in town untill winterbreak which is a little over a month away. I reluctantly added her on facebook but I blocked most of the things about me to her.

My question is how often should I text her or talk to her if at all, to still keep her interested, while not chasing or showing more investment than she does?

I think this applies to all girls as well who you meet over a distance, so What would be your advice to this?

Franco's picture

You're in good shape...


Unfortunately, I'm in a hurry here The Tool, but I just wanted to let you know that you are absolutely fine. You agreed to meet up at a later date, so there is no reason to text her after that. If she wants to create "chit-chat banter," let her be the one to contact you first (whether it's through text or Facebook).

I would not contact her until you are actually able to set up a date (which means contacting her within a week of the actual date). I used to make the mistake that somehow I had to keep her "interested" if it was going to be a long period of time, but what is even more intriguing to a girl is a guy who DOESN'T contact her (because he has other things going on in his life... and possibly other women)!

If you really handled your fundamentals correctly and grabbed her interest when you two met, believe me, she will be interested in meeting up -- even after a month.

Gotta bail, but I hope that helps!

- Franco

The Tool's picture

Thanks Franco


Awesome thanks for the insight franco, You know your stuff and I appreciate it.

Nathan's picture

Forgot about her until winter


I'm not Chase, but I would say don't waste any time on her until winter break. Hit her up when you know she'll be in town. Trying to build anticipation will only risk you messing something up or coming across as needy. In the meantime focus on your own life and meet other women. Don't even look at her facebook page. If she contacts you, keep your responses short and to the point. e.g. "Cool, Look forward to kickin it with you this winter ;)" Do this, and she will very likely be looking to you to "warm her up" this winter.

Knock 'em dead, pal!

The Tool's picture

Thanks nathan


Thanks man, Yea I definately have more than one prospect going at a time ;) thanks to chase and this amazing website. curious to see where this prospect goes.

Julz's picture

Good question. Some insight


Good question. Some insight on the matter would be much appreciated.

Great article as usual; thanks Chase! I hope business is going well and wanted to finally say great job on the site/program, please keep it up. I'm looking forward to the forum also!

Stephen's picture

Different than hard to get?


Hey chase, is there any difference between 'girls not taking someone seriously' & 'they're playing hard to get?' & how to know whether a girl is playing hard to get or just not interested? & if it's hard to get what is the solution to it?Please help me in it man...

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Re: Different than hard to get?

Author

Hi Stephen,

Pretty closely related, actually. It's another one of those "all squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares" situations: if she's playing hard to get, she isn't taking you seriously (unless she's very inexperienced and is simply nervous/unsure, but this is pretty rare these days in the West), but not all girls who aren't yet taking you seriously will play hard to get. They may just "toy" with you in other ways instead.

When a girl's playing hard to get, you'll want to use the same tips as in the post above. The only exception is if she simply isn't meeting up with you... in that case, you can either try making a big push to get her out (phone calls, texts, etc., all in a short timespan), which probably works to get her out but then you've got a tremendous amount of work cut out to reset her expectations about you (you're now firmly in prospective boyfriend territory); OR you can drop off the map for a while, then resurface and apologize for being so busy but ask her out. This sometimes works great, and her attraction to you is restored and the game playing finished, or sometimes you simply never hear from her again if she wasn't all that interested in the first place or she found a boyfriend or lover that she's happy with in the meantime.

Chase

Stephen's picture

You got the perfect point chase...


Really you did get the perfect point chase.You know what? I did send her message "What's your schedule like next week?" but she didn't reply.It makes me wonder cause I did try before that & she replied at that time "Let see cause I'm busy till December" but this time I'm acting indifferent.I didn't even send her message like nothing was happen.Do you think this can be effective?

Thanks,
Stephen

Wes's picture

Balance


Hey Chase,

Great article as usual. I have a question...I began using information from this site this summer and I'm getting some results with my daygame/street pickup (which is just about all I do) I remember one of the first articles I read was the one about having a bored look and resting your eyes above people's heads. Very helpful. Argh I'm off topic, my question is...how can you possibly balance everything that is taught on these blogs?
Every time I read a new one, I'm left thinking: "Wow good point...I'm going to go put this into practice"
Sure enough I get great results or reactions to whatever I practice for example: I've gotten really good at direct openers and deep diving.
The problem is whenever I get really good at one thing, it seems like I forget everything I've previously learned.
One time I was trying to build sexual tension and flirting while my deep diving skills went down the drain. I got good reactions from the girl but I have a feeling she thought I didn't care about her and just wanted to get in her pants.
There's been many other examples too and I concluded that unless I can balance almost everything the girl is going to feel like there is something missing, she'll pick up on it and flee.
Can you possibly make a post on this? I'm getting so close sometimes and then I'm left cold.

Just before the post came up about giving a girl a kiss she'll remember, I kissed a girl..and after reading that post I know I did horrible. It answered my question as to why she didn't contact me ever again after kissing her. I did not tease her enough and have her dying to kiss me. Overall everything else in the interaction I did very well.

Id be very grateful
Wes

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Re: Balance

Author

Hey Wes,

Yeah, I guess that's the hard thing, huh - you're taking the lessons that Ricardus, Colt, and I have teased out and gotten down over a collective 20 years of field experience and trying to cram them all in your skull and get them imprinted and automated over a span of months instead. Makes for some tough optimization of learning, I know!

There are ways you can stem the tide of information overload and get yourself putting things into practice faster, certainly.

I'll see about getting an article up on it.

Cheers,
Chase

R!'s picture

Gem of a post. A lot of the


Gem of a post. A lot of the posts have been high-quality lately, but I've noticed that a lot of them are re-iterating past posts and combining a lot of known things, which is great because back then the website wasn't nearly as popular as it is today. This post provided a lot of new information that wasn't previously available on the website before, and I personally found it to be a great read.

Chase Amante's picture

Re: Gem of a post

Author

Thanks R!, that's certainly one of the challenges with covering material you've covered before - giving similar tips to ones you've given before, too.

When I launched GC in 2008, my goal for the articles that'd go up here was to try and keep a decent mix between coverage of basics that newer guys need to get going, along with stuff that'd be different and insightful for guys who are already familiar with the basics and that ideally would be a different take than what you'd find elsewhere on the Internet.

Anyway, still trying to maintain that balance - if you ever catch the site going too far to one extreme, feel free to drop a comment to that effect on here and we'll get back on track!

Chase

M's picture

Screening


Hi Chase,

In your post last week on what to look for in a girlfriend, you described three traits to screen for. I realized that I often meet several girls who have two of those traits but not the third, and end up mulling over them for a while trying to decide whether I want to date one of them. By the time I've made up my mind, they've usually all lost interest. What do you think the best way is to avoid this situation, or to help me decide more quickly? Or am I being too picky? :)

Your posts have all been enormously helpful and inspirational to me - thank you for the wonderful work!

Chase Amante's picture

Re: Screening

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Hi M,

Good to see you in the comments!

The best recommendation I have for this is simply bed her fast, and decide after. This is the best way to figure out what you want, because it gets you actually there with the girl, and it improves your screening skills quickly.

For instance, you might think you really want to date a very conservative girl, and if you spend a lot of time deliberating over it not taking any action, you'll miss out on a lot of other girls, finally get a conservative girl, and then find you're not super happy but not be sure why.

But if instead you just move ahead and get together with girls you like but aren't sure of, you'll find you quickly reach decisions after physical intimacy. That conservative girl you thought would be a great girlfriend? Turns out she's way too clingy and a little bit nuts, but you didn't see that before taking her to bed.

If you're not bedding girls, it's a lot of speculation without data. Like trying to decide which new soda you want to drink without having tasted any of them. Once you've had a taste, it's easy, but if you're trying to decide before tasting, they might all be sold out before you actually make up your mind!

Cheers,
Chase

Balla's picture

Chase you're the real deal


Chase you're the real deal man. I appreciate you doing this for me. But like I said before chase I read your stuff and apply it to a T no over investing over here. Everything that the women did to me and for me was because I either they wanted to or I asked or told. I just have 2 questions though 1. To be taken serious should I be serious like not smiling and joking around? And 2. I actually did this on my own before reading the post, a girl bought me something and I gave her a smile, a hug, and a kiss on the cheek. Right after the cheek I tried to kiss the lips idk why I just did but she pulled back with her arms around me still and she didn't get mad or anything about it. I seen her the next day and she seemed as happy as ever to see me and wanted to join me for lunch. I just wanted to know if I should take her not kissing me back as me being in the friend zone? I mean I told her my interest, talk about us getting together and she's still around. Thanks again chase!

Chase Amante's picture

Girls Not Kissing Back

Author

Hey Balla,

It's okay to joke around a little bit, but make sure you're following the guidelines in "How to Be Playful" and not going overboard or getting overly jokey. If you're straight serious you can come off as stiff or uncomfortable, but if you're too funny it's clownish. And if the humor doesn't have a sexual undercurrent, it's more friendly-playful like a platonic guy-friend or a potential future husband. Fine line in how you use humor, but once you get it right it's very powerful stuff.

Kissing her on the cheek for bringing you something is great and can set some solid precedent of rewarding her with physicality for compliance. However, kissing on the lips is a step on the escalation to sex, and you don't want to do it with a girl you plan to go all the way toward bedding unless you're somewhere you can continue uninterrupted after the kiss. The exception is if you're doing a spontaneous kiss (the second variety in "How to Kiss a Girl"), but that one needs to be short, powerful, and totally spontaneous - not following a build up, other acts of affection, etc. When it's a random kiss that follows a build-up and it isn't proceeded by escalation to sex, it will strike most women as a little weird, a little awkward, and most women are aware this is something guys who aren't sure what they're doing yet will do.

Women will typically only get mad when they're going into auto-rejection; if they feel like they're above you - e.g., you're in pursuit (which is how that kiss feels to me) - they will try and take care of your emotions and be nice.

Best advice here is to not worry so much about girls you've already got bad precedent with, and to go out and find new girls who have yet to form an opinion with you, and just make sure to do things right. It's pretty hard to change a girl's opinion of you when she's known you a little while, but when you're a stranger she's just getting to know you're starting fresh.

Chase

Trilogy's picture

Another top-notch article


Another top-notch article along with some great comments. Chase, some good points on avoiding autorejection, that may have just saved my bacon with a particular girl. The Tool, Franco and Nathan thanks for the posts concerning the distance thing, I've got myself a similar situation and now I think I have a better handle on it. You're right The Tool, this program opens doors to lots of women, with each interaction being unique and needing to be managed in slightly different ways. Multiple processes for multilple women?

This is part of the balance issue that Wes brought up, being a newcomer to the art and skill of seduction I find myself at times overwhelmed with options that it detracts from what I need to be doing, which is talking to girls. There's a lot of mental build-up that impedes my ability to flow naturally, kind of like in martial arts when you first learn a kata, it's clunky and awkward, and off-balance.

My sensei always suggested taking the kata apart and learning one part at a time, then combining them into one fluid motion. Is this something that can work with pick up as well? Karate katas can be practiced solo or in slow-paced sparring, but seduction is always a "live fight" that requires constant momentum and effortless action. Maybe I'm thinking about it too much, but right now I feel like I'm just trying to stay on my feet.

I'm grateful for the all the insights, support and advice I've gotten here,and I'm looking forward to the upcoming forum, this is already a great community.

Franco's picture

Great point here, Trilogy. I think this will help...


Chase brought up a good point in this article that I would like to re-iterate because it is something that can easily be overlooked by newcomers:

"I've seen a handful of guys skip [socializing with women] - mostly guys who'd had success with women in the past through social circle or other places and intuitively knew the right things to do, they'd just never tried cold approaching strangers before in bars or parties or nightclubs or coffee shops or the street. And once they had their legs under them, the rest of the pieces were already in place and they just soared."

Fortunately, I actually fell under this category of "guys who had social success with women in the past," so communicating with women (especially deep diving) was something I had to focus very little of my attention on so that I could REALLY focus on fundamentals and moving things forward faster.

With that being said, I would highly encourage newcomers to approach lots of women and really practice just talking and being comfortable around them. If you aren't comfortable around women, you will be thinking WAY too much about what you want to say and less about what you are doing (such as smiling, staring at her eyes, touching her). Women are highly socialized and will pick up on your lack of comfort, which will drop your level of attraction immediately.

Once you really feel comfortable talking to women, you will notice that you can really focus on your "James Bond-like" movement and posture and cement your game down to the point where women will be excited to move things forward with you.

I hope this advice helps.

- Franco

Trilogy's picture

Thanks Franco


That's going to help tremendously. I believe I fall into the category of having some success with women, but it was always part intuition and part happy accident. I've always had an outgoing personality and my job brings me into contact with all sorts of people so interaction was never a problem.

The issue is I always defaulted to "friend mode" when meeting new people, thinking this was the most socially acceptable way to build relationships. I had no idea that pick up/seduction/social grace was a skill that could be learned. It wasn't until I had my heart kicked in the ass that I realized the need for a change so it would never happen again.

Now I'm on the road to redemption, recovery and rebuilding a sexy vibe, learning everything I can and consciously integrating into my normal persona. It's a patience game as well as a number game. I'm gonna keep pushing on despite whatever obstacles enter my path, because for me this journey is about becoming a better, more complete man as well as dating quality women.

The Tool's picture

reply to triolgy and franco


Yea this site has been great bringing ones experiences to light and available to share, many people do go through the same/similar circumstances everyday and being able to share and spread insight has been an invaluable tool.

That being said I also wanted to reply to your last reply trilogy, your statements had a powerful impact for I have essentially gone through the same kind of mindset/ situations you have. And it did take a powerful push like getting my heart crushed one too many times to take action. I was reluctant to try the pickup community because all I heard about it was negatives but after giving it a shot it has been nothing but positives. My life has improved in almost every aspect.

I find it great that there is a place like this where Chase, Ricardus, Franco, you, myself and others can share experiences and learn. Extremely excited for the new forum, we can all help eachother even further in our advancement to better ourselves and our lives.

Jeff's picture

fresh start


so ive had some trouble picking up girls over the years. i have this reputation as being this party animal, and in highschool i thought that would impress people, girls as well. I am in great physical shape and was pretty popular in high school, like i hung out with my football team. I was by no means an outcast, and from what people tell me im a good looking guy, i just noticed in myself that i don't have all the confidence as this big ego image i put on a lot. out of all my friends, they mostly wouldn't have trouble getting girls, but for me it seems moe difficult. how can I be taken more seriously by girls locally. im a frosh in college and want to be able to start picking more up this summer.

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