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What's Different When Picking Up Professional Women?

professional womenIn “How to Use Situationally Relevant Openers with Women”, a reader named Christopher made the following comment:

Hello, Chase!
This post is great to develop your skill.
But, there was a situation I was stuck.An interesting one.
I was always successful with women since 2011, using simple and funny pickups. But I entered in an environment with high caliber women. They are very experienced and hard to control, but still show enough interest, so I can’t give up on them. I can’t say that there is no male concurrence. Real men with huge fundamentals.
So, could you write a post on a professional pickup, cause there have little effect on them.(they have seen a lot like this)

It’s a little hard to follow, but if I’m reading it right Christopher’s recently run into a problem in that the approach he’s found success with picking up other kinds of women has fallen flat with professional (career) girls, who tend to be more used to holding their own around men and are frequently surrounded by plenty of ambitious and successful male options in their work and social lives.

And that’s actually a great observation (assuming I’m reading the comment right)... it IS quite different picking up professional women than other categories of women (students, retail / service industry workers, etc.).

They look for and respond to different things, and if you aren’t expecting that or aren’t calibrated to what women in the professional world are looking for, you can quickly be thrown for a loop.

Chase AmanteAbout the Author: Chase Amante

Chase woke up one day in 2004 tired of being alone. So, he set to work and read every book he could find, studied every teacher he could meet, and talked to every girl he could talk to to figure out dating. After four years, scads of lays, and many great girlfriends (plus plenty of failures along the way), he launched this website. He will teach you everything he knows about girls in one single program in his Mastery Package.

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Anonymous's picture

Hey Chase, hope you're fine man.
And Dave, I've got some questions and thought you could help me out.
So, in "fashion for men" chase talks about contrast and states
that black outfit look better on men with lighter skin tone than those
with darker ones.
I'm a dark brown Asian and I know that white outfits look better on me
but I just love black. I want to have be "darkly seductive".
I love wearing black shirts, t shirts etc.... How can I achieve that?
Any ideas on looking darkly seductive despite my dark skin tone?

Another question : What types of glasses are considered "badass" and
attractive to girls?
By the way, I'm glad you're here to answer comments, Dave.
I had never realized how tiring it could be for Chase. Its great you're giving
him a hand Bro, you are doing a great job!

David Riley's picture

Hey Anon,

Thanks for the positive words of encouragement, I really appreciate it. Now as fair as getting dark colors to match your skin tone, it's really simple. You just want to have a few highlight accents so your outfit is completely overpowering your skin tone. You want your outfit to bring you out and not tuck you in. What I mean is you can wear black shirts and t-shirts just don't go completely black. You can wear a black t shirt with your choice of pants. Black goes with everything so just pick a color that works for you. Normally, what I do since I'm a dark skinned guy myself. I wear either black pants and black shoes with a different color shirt.

Style: This way I can get my taste of black in without completely drowning myself out. You can also go with a traditional suit of black shoes, black pants,white dress shirt, and any color tie. I wear black t shirts that have some accents on them. The t shirt is mostly black but a splash of color never hurts either. I also have a very unique black and floral trucker hat that helps me stand out when wearing black.

http://www.tillys.com/tillys/variants.aspx?prod=228631957&cid=1098&ctlg=...

Glasses: As far as glasses I normally go with frames that are smaller and more compact. The types you see guys wearing that give them a sophisticated look. Overall though the glasses have to be in balance with your outfit. I would suggest going to your local eye glass place and seeing what frame best matches your face. I go for more rectangular frames with thin wiring. Play around with it and see which ones you like.

Take care,

Just Dave

Danny's picture

Dear Chase,

Can you please define "service industry" women? Thanks!

Like is it a server at a restaurant or bar-tender, things like that? What about high school/secondary school teachers etc.

So basically "professional women" are the ones who earn a Bachelor Degree or higher and their jobs require some technical skills?

Please clarify.

David Riley's picture

Hey Danny,

As per wikipedia "The service industries (More formally termed: 'tertiary sector of industry' by economists) involve the provision of services to businesses as well as final consumers. Such, therefore, include accounting, tradesmanship (like mechanic or plumber services), computer services, restaurants, tourism, etc."

So yes it would include bartenders and servers at restaurants.

Professional women, would include doctors, lawyers, bankers, etc . . . Hope that clears it up a little better.

Just Dave

uForia's picture

This is going off-topic from this article, but I'm sure you heard about the incident in UC Santa Barbara, and it's awfully close to where you live. I did some thinking and analysis on what made him do this, and I came to the conclusion that the women had a lot of options in SoCal, so the levels of sexual inequality (Let's say there's a sexual Gini coefficient) is very high. The shooter was actually an intelligent boy, like many incelibates out there, but he clearly lacked knowledge in economics. Ignorant of the harsh economic truths, he felt entitled and very embittered about the whole situation.

Chase, there are many "nice guys" out there feeling embittered just like this boy and it concerns me that more shootings like this are bound to happen, especially in an environment like my university (Uneven male/female ratio, frustrated males and ruthless females). Even I had these kinds of thoughts to be honest 6 months ago, even as a high-achieving person in the lens of the average American. I took upon your advice on an article to not be bitter but it took quite some time for me to heal from it.

Edit: I also remember you suggest guys start out in some place that has stiff male competition and also attractive females (Like Santa Barbara). I'm afraid that might be bad advice because it might cause males to be embittered even more and more. I remember experiencing myself the darkness of the stark inequality when I ended up going to the hospital after consuming a lot of alcohol. And my college is in the East. Imagine it being a lot worse in Santa Barbara.

In the end however, I still remain a virgin as of today. My question to you is, how long did it take for you personally to actually get laid after starting to pick up on the arts of seduction? There's only so long before males get fed up and join sites like PUAHate and start killing people.

David Riley's picture

Hey uForia,

I really appreciate your honesty and that you've continued to work hard despite feeling frustrated at times. I can't answer for Chase personally but for me, once I started really approaching women hard core I got my first lay in about a couple months. Keep in mind however I wasn't starting completely from ground zero. I was a freshmen RA and had friends who likes to party. I used whatever resources I could to constantly go out and meet new women. So when it came time to pull, I conveniently had my own room to go back to. From there I was able to make my move without fear of interruption.

The thing I would say frustrates most guys is that they put too much pressure on themselves and women. They go out everyday with the sole goal of "getting laid". That's an awesome goal if you've already had previous success. I'm not saying it's impossible to get laid off the back, but you need a solid tested process for that. You have to know how to read women and socialize with them. You have to know what to say and what not to say. You have to have an amazing sense of style and warmth, A lot of guys read a couple articles, go out in the field, don't get laid, and say this stuff is rubbish. The problem is too many guys want to run before they can even crawl. The thing that most guys have to come to terms with is not taking rejection personally. I get rejected from time to time and so do a lot of other authors. You have to go out everyday and make an honest effort of meeting a woman.

Stay strong,

Just Dave

The M's picture

Hi Chase and Dave,

If you're also a professional man and you say stuff about how exciting your future will be, doesn't that place you in the boyfriend zone, even if you're sexy?

Also, if you have a first date but don't have sex, can you get sex on the second date, or do you have to do the "3 date whirlwind romance" thing that Chase wrote about? Does it mean you're in the boyfriend zone? Is it possible to succeed if you skip the "structured/fun date" and just invite her over?

Thanks!

Best,
The M

David Riley's picture

Hey M,

It's actually very possible to sleep with a woman on the second date. A woman's guard will be way less down on the second date. The reason being is because she won't be too worried about coming off as a slut. Now, telling a girl your professional is fine but downplay it a bit. I actually work at a hospital right now, but I tell girls it's only part time. Even though I work there full time and make good money. The reason being is you want to avoid showing too much value to the girl. Otherwise she will want to slow down the process completely. Sometimes, I even make the girl's job seem like a bigger deal than mine. "Wow you sure sound like the breadwinner, you'll make a great provider." I sometimes kid to girls about this, it takes the pressure off of me. Because now I've framed her as the one who will be providing not me. Here's the thing, girls will put you in the boyfriend zone if they view you as a provider.

To not be viewed as a provider don't act like a potential boyfriend. You have to be outcome independent. You have to escalate physically and make sure to touch her often on the date. Bring up sex talk in a sexy way. Women can not resist sleeping with sexy men. I invite women straight over my house these days on the first date. I frame her intensely as the aggressor as well. "I hope you're not gonna take advantage of me." or "I'm not that kind of guy who does these thing on the second date." I steal girls lines right out of their mouths and it drives them crazy. They can't stand it because they are the ultimate chaser. When you get a girl to be the ultimate chaser you can sleep with her on the second date. Make a move on her no longer than 10 minutes of her being in your house. Any longer then things will get weird and she'll leave. Remember to move fast with precision.

Stay focused,

Just Dave

Essay writer's picture

Hey Dave,
I see on this site that you guys have amazing writing skills
when it comes to articles.
Any tips on getting stupendous pieces of writing
in the form of essays ( I'm in high school).
Its quite out of subject but I really would appreciate if
you could explain to me the basic rules
so I can make an outstanding essay on whatever the subject is.
( By the way, the essay must be around 250-300 words)
Thanks Dave.

David Riley's picture

Hey Essay,

300 words is roughly about 3 paragraphs or about a page double spaced. The biggest thing about writing is getting the skeleton. You want to put the basic and fundamental points into a outline. This way the outline will keep you from rambling and going off topic. It's also very important to organize your thoughts. When your thoughts are organized, your essay will just flow naturally. Go on google and even look up some good essay examples. Make sure to stick to the prompt if you have one. Quotes are also very helpful to have in essays as well because it brings together the theme of the essay. Anyway these are just some basic things to help you get started.

Take care,

Just Dave

Anonymous's picture

Hey Chase,

Great stuff. Could you do a bit on game/tips for guys a bit on the short side? I know most of the same principles apply, but any anecdotes of talented shorter seducers or tips in general would be great.

David Riley's picture

Hey Anon,

I will let Chase and the other authors know of your request.

Just Dave

Anonymous's picture

Greetings Chase

Lately I have been told by a friend that he his girlfriend has been using emotional blackmail from time to time and he had to fight it.
Now it got me thinking how often does my girlfriend use emotional blackmail. But what exactly is emotional blackmail in a relationship ? How can I tell if a girl is using it ? Could you make a topic on it and possibly how to deal with this sort of problem in a relationship ?

Regards
Jack

David Riley's picture

Hey Jack,

Emotional black mail is when a girlfriend will hold something over your head that you did recently or a long time ago in the relationship even after you apologize. She will often say things like "Remember that one time" or "But you did this". Women do it to gain the upper hand in the relationship. Beyond all that it's about control, you did something to hurt the woman and she wants to make sure it doesn't happen again. The problem is she may not trust you as much so she wants to limit your movements. The best weapon for her is emotional black mail. It can be very devastating for relationships. One of the best things you can do is call it out.

http://www.girlschase.com/content/fighting-relationship-causes-and-cures

http://www.girlschase.com/content/end-relationship-drama-these-2-rules

These are two helpful articles that address the issue as drama. I will contact Chase and the other articles about a possible article on Guilt Tripping in Relationships.

Take care,

Just Dave

Beginner's picture

Hello, I have a little question when a girl is already alone in like, closing times of work or in a car of a parking lot. There are articles pointing to isolation and transitioning, thus meaning to move the girl, then going to a place to escalate, but what if she has already met those requirements? Where no one will bother us and we are free to do whatever? Is it possible to form connections and escalate without moving her? Is quick relationship from stranger to lover in such a brief time even possible in situations like these?

David Riley's picture

Hey Beginner,

When a girl is already alone, you have a lot more control of the siutation. Like you mentioned outside inference is almost completely diminished. The best things to do is these situations is not to startle her and put her at ease. You want to go direct, that way she's not confused or worrying about your intentions. You want to encourage her to put her guard down.

"Hey just thought you were cute and wanted to say hi. I'm Dave." From there you can follow up and ask if she's single. This way she's knows your intentions that you want to be romantically involved. This will make the seduction process a lot easier. From there since she's alone and no one is around, she'll be at ease. This is also a lot easier if there aren't a lot of people around. Because then she won't worry about looking too easy. You can also mention when talking, "I just want to get to know you better." Ask her interesting questions about herself, and even suggest going to sit down in a different location. You still want to get some type of compliance from a girl. You can ask to see her nails or look at her earrings. Note I said compliance and not forceful, keep in mind you don't want to alarm her. Once she has her guard down, you get more comfortable with her. I would actually suggest heading back to your place or suggest chilling somewhere for a bit. If she's got somewhere to go or you do, suggest a meet up at a later time. Make sure to grab her number and text her the same day of getting it.

Hope that helps clear things up a bit,

Just Dave

identity 's picture

Chase or to anyone, what about if i used one of the male identity types like being an artist since i can play up the unemployed (not having real world credentials) and balanced it out with being the business man? since its 20% art and 80% business when it comes to the art world. I do not dress like a hipster or an art emo kind of guy but more rather conservative casual (dockers) like the stuff you see at macy's website. any inputs? i have long hair with a goatee. thanks!

David Riley's picture

Hey Identity,

The male identity could work if you add some charm to it, and you're still dress in a presentable way like you mentioned. You want to put her at ease knowing that you're not a long term candidate. You don't want her to slam the breaks on you, and try to put you in the provider category. Normally, when you meet professional women you can get to go on and on about themselves. From it's all about cementing a physical connection since you've established an emotional connection. I would recommend playing around with the identity and measuring the results. Tweak it to your liking and find out what works best for you. You could potentially come up with something game changing for yourself.

Take care,

Just Dave

JJ's picture

When I was attending college for my dual degrees in math and astrophysics like the proud Russian I am, I worked in retail for a bit at the beginning before doing math tutoring and basically, qualifying for other s.t.e.m. jobs. So don't assume all retail/sales girl, strippers etc. are somewhat dimwits lol it could just be a very temporary job pursued by professional women for easy $$ in the process of completing their higher education.

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