How to Make Friends? The Master Key to New Friendships
One of
our
younger readers, by the name of Jaden, asked over in the
comments section of my article "Are You Smart? It Doesn't Much Matter
Either Way" about high school popularity, asking:
“What would the process for becoming popular look like? I would say im on the edge of popularity, as the "cool" kids all talk to me and invite me to their lunch tables and stuff (hardcore, right?), yet they do not invite me to their houses and parties, which are actually quite fun. How can I develop an air of superiority, and is there anything in specific I can do to raise my status?”
If I had to redefine that question to really get to its gist, I'd say it's more, "How do I make friends with the other students I want to be friends with?" than it is, "How do I make everyone like me more?" What Jaden wants here is to see these classmates of his outside of school - he wants to make friends.
But he isn't the only one who wants to know how to do this better. There are plenty of people who struggle with making friends in high school and college - and even more once they're out of those places.
If you thought it was hard making friends in an environment where everyone is your own age and you all do the same things, just wait until you're out of that environment, and you're working in the professional world where people range from 22 to 62. High school and college end up looking like friendship bonanzas compared to the working world that follows them.
Making friends isn't actually that hard a process though - take it from me, a guy who spent his the entirety of his teenage years friendless, then reinvented himself and emerged as someone who made friends with jet-setters, entrepreneurs, seducers, celebrities, and millionaires. How'd I go from zero friends to friends with some of the most in-demand people you'll meet, whom everyone wants to be friends with?
The secret, I found, lies in just one master key - from which all the other paths to friendship flow out.

When I moved to Washington, D.C. after graduating from university, I didn't place much emphasis on making new friends. I was six months into a driven, renewed commitment to learning how to pick up girls, and my main focus was going out to bars and nightclubs 3 or 4 or 5 times a week and talking to 10 or 20 or 30 girls a night. Sometimes I'd go out with my wingman and only real friend in town, and sometimes a few of his friends who were into pickup would go with us, but mostly I'd just go out alone.
I had a few girls I was seeing, and very occasionally I'd go to a happy hour with people from work. But, most of my colleagues who were my age lived out in Fairfax, VA, or Alexandria, which I thought was insanity - why would you live so far from the big city, where everything is happening? Just to be closer to work? As it were, they mostly stayed out there, and I mostly stayed close to D.C.
So I didn't make making friends a priority. In fact, it wasn't on my list of things to do at all - getting good with girls was the only thing that was, outside of work. My life was work by day, game by night, and that was the way I liked it.
But when I moved to California that all changed, and, influenced by a friend out there who placed a great deal of emphasis on social circle, I decided to learn how to make friends and master the skill set once and for all.
After all, it'd be a useful skill to learn, right?
At first I wasn't good at it one bit - I was awkward, uncomfortable... try hard.
But I was a fast learner, and within about a year and a half of working on it consciously and consistently, I was very good at making new friends very quickly with pretty much anyone I wanted to make friends with.
It was then that I really started noticing how much trouble other people were having making friends.
Why's It So Hard to Make Friends?
As someone who didn't really have friends in middle school or high school, and whose university friends mostly consisted of first year floor mates he'd see once every month or two at the parties they threw, plus a couple of roommates thrown in for good measure, I didn't really start making friends until somewhat after my school years were already over.
And I am acutely aware that this is the opposite of the norm for most people.
Most normal, well-adjusted people complain about how hard it is to make friends after graduation, and talk about their friendship glory days back in high school and college, when they had their bands of good buddies and always had friends ready to ride out with them and do whatever any of them wanted to do.
After school ends though, this changes for most people.
The reason this is is that most people get their friends through:
- Their residence (especially in school)
- Their classes (in school)
- Their workplace (after school)
... but the workplace is a much less fertile ground for friendships than school is.
For one thing, you have a far smaller pool of people your age with your interests at your work than you did in even the smallest school, at most jobs.
For another thing, it's more difficult to make friends at work than it is in school - things are more formal, you're expected to keep more of a boundary between your personal life and your professional life, and there's a certain degree of competition between you and your workmates much of the time - only one of you is going to get the boss's job after he's promoted, after all.
It's common in the post-school world to hang out with someone as friends once or twice, then never see that person again (or see them only in passing at work, if they were a colleague). Further, most people get set fairly quickly in their friendships, which can make it hard to break in - they don't need new friends, and the work of trying to roll you into their existing circle if you meet them and they hit it off can seem almost impossible for them (and for you), and so you both don't much bother trying.
Both in school and after school, you'll see people follow this same pattern again and again:
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The coolest, most sociable people form their initial friendships fast, as soon as they're introduced into a new environment
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The somewhat less cool, less sociable people lag behind, slowly accumulating friendships
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The outsiders and the socially less savvy hang around, not sure what to do, hoping to be swept up and included by some "cool person," and only striking out in search of friends often much later, or being frustrated in their efforts to make new friends early on
It's sort of like getting picked for the basketball team. The best players get picked right away, and the best players pick other best players to play with. The guys who can't shoot get left behind, and picked last, or not at all.
What that means is, when you're not a friend-making, socializing machine, you tend to end up fishing around for friends, wondering how everyone else made their friends, and finding that too often you're shut out of the show. How do you get inside?
But in addition to the difficulty of breaking into people's pre-existing friendship groups, there's another challenge as well: and that is that modern Western society is not set up in a way that makes it easy to build new friendships and affiliations.
A Friendship-Friendly Environment
If you want to build a friendship, what are the elements you most need?
Laughter? Conversation? Some form of mild intoxicant? Kismet and
serendipity?

If you look at the environments where people are most likely to make new friends, you'll see a number of common elements:
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Exposure. People who go onto become friends usually have repeated exposure to one another in regular social environments. e.g., the other student you see and talk to again and again in class until you finally start hanging out outside of class, or the coworker you have to work with every day until eventually you start grabbing beers after work, too.
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Interaction. No matter if someone else is three cubicles down from you every day, or is in all the same classes with you in school, or lives two doors down from you in your apartment building, you will never become friends with this person if you never interact with him or her. You must build a friendship through interpersonal interaction, otherwise you never breach the "familiarity wall."
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Camaraderie. You'll notice that many of the people you've gone on to become friends with have been people you had some sort of "shared mission" with - be they people you worked with closely on a school or work project, or people you spent time complaining about how terrible your boss or instructor is with, or people you worked out at the gym with, or people you practiced martial arts with or learned to play tennis with. Regardless of what it is, there's some feeling of a "shared mission" there, as though you've done something together, and relied on each other somewhat, too.
Some of the strongest friendships you'll see will be between members of one branch or another of the military - there are few things that give you as high doses of exposure to the same people again and again, large amounts of interaction, and camaraderie virtually by default like the military. And, as a result, military personnel typically come to have strong bonds between each other, and a high affinity for their branch of the service overall (because so many of their close friends are in it).
I'd almost define the spirit and solidarity you see among military service members not as pure patriotism, per se, but more as a sense of strong brotherly duty and obligation - i.e., if all your friends are over there fighting, then by Jove you for sure want to support them.
The problem all this presents for the lay person though is this: how do you make friends with people you aren't repeatedly exposed to, won't interact a great deal with, or have any kind of special camaraderie with from the beginning?
Because if you can solve that problem, then you'll have unlocked the master key to making friends any time, anywhere, with well nigh anybody you want.

Early into my efforts to learn how to make friends and unlock a process and strategy I could use to good effect here, I struggled with the same thing I'd struggled with (and largely failed at) in high school and university: how do I make people invite me to hang out?
I was able to make myself a compelling, magnetic person enough that
I'd get asked out on dates by pretty girls or invited to parties by the
cool kids. But because I was best with social anxiety, I always turned
these down, and the offers stopped coming.
What was even worse was turning myself into someone who started bugging people to hang out with me or invite me to go to their parties.
I'd meet some cool guy out at a bar, and he'd tell me we should grab a drink sometime, we'd trade cells, and then I'd follow up and ask him about it a few times, but it'd never happen.
I'd meet some pretty girl somewhere, and she'd tell me about a party she was going to and invite me to come, so we'd trade contact info, but when I'd ask her about the party later it'd never go anywhere, or I'd get some terse reply with just the date and time and location and I knew I wasn't going to get any kind of warm reception there.
What was I doing wrong? I knew I was doing something wrong... it felt wrong, and I could tell from people's reactions it was wrong.
I just didn't know what else I could do differently, or how to achieve better results making friends.
Social Constraint's Part to Play
In the April 1989 volume of the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, researchers Christopher A. Langston and Nancy Cantor published a paper entitled "Social anxiety and social constraint: When making friends is hard." The paper looked at a little-discussed facet of sociology known as "social constraint" as it related to friend-making in individuals making the transition from high school to college, and has this to say in its abstract:
“Provides an analysis of social anxiety set within a longitudinal study of students in life-transition from high school to college. The typical first-year student expected social life tasks (e.g., making friends) to be rewarding and easy to accomplish, whereas a minority of students approached these tasks with anxiety. Second-year interviews served as the basis of observer–judges' Q-sort assessments of the students' strategies in social and achievement tasks. Students who reported the atypical pattern of anxiety about social tasks were observed to use an atypical social strategy of humility and otherdirected action (social constraint). Path analyses showed that differences in adjustment outcomes were not due to direct effects of initial social anxiety, but rather were mediated through the social constraint strategy. Students' perceptions of family life and prior experiences were used to suggest an explanation of use of this strategy.”
What the researchers found, then, was that one's friendship making ability has much to do with one's strategy concerning social constraint.
What is social constraint? It is, effectively, how limited one feels in one's ability to take action socially.
The more socially constrained you are, the more careful and conservatively you act socially.
The less socially constrained you are, the more carefree and risk-taking you act socially.
Now, there's perhaps a corollary to this: the better you know something (e.g., where the boundaries and limits are socially, what you can get away with, and what you can't), the less constrained you tend to behave, so I'd be inclined to say this one may show correlation, and not necessarily causation. Are these students better at socializing because they're less socially constrained, or are they less socially constrained because they're better at socializing?
In any event, the findings here are still relevant for us, because they tell us that the students who are NOT successful socially are the ones who are:
- Overly humble
- Overly socially constrained
That is to say, the students who do not succeed socially are the ones who don't put themselves out there and don't go after what they want.
Makes sense, right? You're not going to learn the trombone if you never play trombone. Likewise, you can't get good with people if you never put yourself out there and try to get good with people.
But how do you get yourself out there and get good with people if you don't know what to do? This is the one I always struggled with, and it was the one I eventually had to overcome to change my fate and start to make friends.
How to Make Friends: The Master Key
Humility, social constraint... these sound like the big thing I was doing for so many years that largely didn't work: waiting for the friends to come to ME.
Why didn't it work? Because that's not how friendships work! People don't chase you down to be friends with you... and the kind of people who DO are usually not the people you want to be friends with (in my experience).
Humbleness is good... in conversation. However, it's not so good as a friend-making strategy.
Be humble in your words, but bold in your actions. This is the way of a truly effective individual.
And, when it comes to making new friends, there is one powerful, compelling, enormously effective strategy to end all strategies, that blows them out of the water and gets you friends with little exposure, little interaction, and little camaraderie to speak of altogether...
... a strategy that works almost every time...
... and do you know what it is?
Front-load your value.
That is to say, be someone who is instantly a valuable addition to another individual's life, and then keep providing value until you start getting it in return.
How's this work? Well, you've always heard the clichéd advice that you should "give before you get." Personally, I can't stand clichés, and that phrase makes me feel a little nauseous just to say. I almost want to do the OPPOSITE, just to prove it wrong... it's so smarmy and saccharine.
But, the fact is, it hits on a very real and accurate phenomenon: that people respond far better to those who are constantly GIVING to them than those who are trying to GET.
And this was what I realized when I was in California. By checking and bugging people to hang out or send me the information about that party they told me about, I was doing it all wrong. Because while they might enjoy talking to you when you first meet, once you're hounding them later to give you something, all they see you as is a liability; here's someone who wants something from me.
At the same time, if you never follow up, you'll never get anything or anywhere, so that's no good too.
So I started doing something different; instead, when I'd meet someone cool, someone I'd like to be friends with and see again socially, someone who invited me to a party or an event, what I started doing was this:
I started finding ways to provide value to THEIR lives FIRST.
Becoming a Value-Giving,
Friend-Making Machine
Now, this takes a certain degree of social awareness, and a respect for the Law of Least Effort and sprezzatura.
One of the common mistakes you'll see socially uncertain individuals do is offer the wrong kinds of value; that is to say, they offer value that isn't that highly valued by the person they're offering it to.
For instance, if you want to hang out with a jock-type guy who plays football and picks up chicks, you don't invite him to come over and play video games, even if you know he plays them sometimes on his own. Because a jock-type guy who plays football and picks up chicks is probably very cautious about not having too many things that aren't cool, and too many people who like doing things that aren't cool, in his life, so that's actually a low-value offer to him - if he says yes, he takes a value hit. Not good.
On the other hand, if you want to get to know a software engineer who spends his weekends coding new web apps, you probably don't want to invite him to scrimmage with you sometime next week... that's going to make him turn and run in the other direction.
The value you offer needs to be targeted toward the individual, and it must be something he or she will genuinely value.

Let's have a look at the different kinds of value you can offer to potential friends, and how you can modify that value depending on the individual.
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Conversational value. Conversational value is a lynchpin of value, and you want to train yourself to crank out value with every word out of your mouth if you want to have the maximum effect here (becoming very desirable as a friend). The kinds of value you can provide as a conversationalist include:
- Deep diving and connection-building
- Interest in strengths and calm admiration of them
- Advice and inspiration
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Implied value. This is the value someone intuits he'd get out of having you in his life as a friend. Too many people assume they should be able to just have anyone they want as friends without giving much in return, but it doesn't work this way; the reason you want someone as a friend is because of the value you think they'll bring into your life... and to have them as a friend, you should be bringing equal or superior value to theirs in turn.
The more accomplished and in-demand the individual, the more value you must bring. e.g., if you want to be friends with some guy with no friends who's dying to be friends with ANYONE, all you've got to do is show up; but if you want to be friends with Bill Gates, who has tens of MILLIONS of people who'd like to be his friend and have him spend some of his time, wisdom, or money on them, it helps your cause if you're a scientist with a cure to malaria no one else has access to, or you've got a few hundred million to devote to his charity projects.
Generally speaking, for most people, if you are doing interesting things with your life, this will be enough - because most people, even most cool people, are not doing interesting things with their lives. Having a friend like you with an interesting, inspiring life that they can learn from is an attractive deal. Forms of implied value include:
- You're an entrepreneur and run your own successful business
- You're an artist and create cool and beautiful things
- You have access to lots of beautiful women through your work or hobbies
- You have a broad network with lots of valuable connections
- You attend a lot of events/parties and know where things are "happening"
- You have hobbies or skills this person has an interest in,
e.g., rock-climbing, traveling, skiing, etc., and you are better at
these than them or can be a companion for them while doing them
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Offered value. Offered value is the value you actually offer to someone outright. What are you giving to them? Much of the time, when you offer someone something of value - and even better, when you actually deliver it - they will feel obliged to reciprocate... and they will want to reciprocate, and get pleasure out of doing it.
You don't want to go overboard doing this - offer too much value, and this seems tryhard and the person feels like you're working too hard to try and lasso them in, which is not the right way to go about making new friends. So instead, you want to offer things that are thoughtful, tailored to the individual person, and yet are relatively effortless for you to offer.
Some examples:
- Inviting someone to a party you're attending (or throwing)
- inviting someone to grab drinks with you with some friends
- Offering to introduce someone to someone else you think they'd like
- Offering to make a business connection or introduction to someone
- Offering to take a look at something free of charge in your area of expertise (e.g., "Send me your resume, I'll have a look at it and give you some feedback")
- Inviting someone to join you on a trip you're making ("I'm
going to Greece this summer; you should totally come too, it's going to
be a blast")
These will differ depending on whom you're talking to; some people are very much in need of advice and inspiration, while others maintain a rock-solid exterior and are really looking for someone to get to know about their accomplishments and recognize their success (that doesn't mean being stunned or amazed - "Wow!" - but rather a calm recognition, i.e., "That's really impressive," followed by exploring those accomplishments more deeply and giving the speaker the chance to regale you with them). Women are more likely to need deep diving and connection-building.
Rule of thumb for men: if he's
confident, get him talking about his strengths and points of pride; if
he's less confident, look for opportunities to give advice and inspire.
Also bear in mind that this is all relative to how a man sees himself
in relation to you; even if he's confident, if he sees you as more
accomplished than he is, he'll want a mixture of guidance and
recognition typically.
The question of, "Why would this person want to make friends with
me?" should, in other words, be fairly easy to answer: because you have a lot to offer as a friend
and he knows it!
When you offer value like this, people very quickly see you as someone who's going to bring value into their lives - and then they, at least as it stands with the socially adroit individuals you meet, will offer you value in kind, in order to retain you as a friend.
Front-loading your value like this is how you make people want to have you in their lives as a friend. But it does something else for you, too:
It puts you in charge of taking initiative and creating those opportunities for exposure, interaction, and camaraderie required for friendships to build and grow.
Especially outside of the school environment, you won't make friendships out of thin air. But, just like taking leadership with women to get lovers and girlfriends, by taking the initiative and acting with the individuals you want as friends, you can create the opportunities and environments to build and establish friendships with most anyone you want.
All you need is the chance to talk to them, and a pulse on what they'll value and what they want (and that, if you don't have it, can simply be developed from talking to people and exploring their interests and inclinations and finding things that most appeal to them).
Parting Thoughts on Forming Friendships

Most people go about making friends all wrong, trying to get before they give, either waiting for someone to reach out and take the initiative, or hounding someone to hang out with them or get them to their party or something else along those lines. The only people you see routinely going about building new friends and connections by front-loading their value are the really cool, socially savvy people - and they're whom you want to emulate here.
You don't need to go through a military boot camp together to be
friends, or to live on the same floor freshman year of college. You can
absolutely form friendships outside of school, work, and the like - in
fact, most of the people I'm closest with now I've met on the street or
in a bar or at a party or through (believe it or not) Internet forums.
As I look through the ranks of people I'm still close with, I count one
(1) I met in school, and one (1) I met at work. Everyone else comes
from places most other people NEVER make friends.
You can make friends with nearly anyone you want to make friends with, so long as you work on yourself first, and turn yourself into a value-generating, value-giving machine (that gives appropriately measured and fitting forms of value, that is!).
Because it isn't that people don't want to make new friends - it's just that they only want to spend their time and energy on people they feel can bring a lot of strong value to their lives.
So, understand that, and know that it isn't just whom you want to be friends with that's important - it's how you're going to bring value to their lives in turn, and how you're going to communicate that to them, that's most important.
Now, go out there and make some friends.
Ciao,
Chase
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Comments
Letting a girl take all of my time.
Hi chase, Thank you for all of your hard work and for vastly improving my quality of life lately.
I have an awesome girl who I'm sleeping with and hanging out all the time with but don't want as a girlfriend. I recently just got out of a engagement and am not looking for a girlfriend right now. I don't want to cut her off all together but I don't want her taking up all of my time either. It was agreed upon that we were just dating but somehow she still manages to take up all of my time. It's like she already has the day planned out for us before I even can make my own plans. I would like to get out to practice meeting new girls but it seems like I never get a chance.
Also I have one more unrelated question. I would like to expand my vocabulary so I can better articulate my verbal communication for my pick ups. Are there any shortcuts for this so I can work a little smarter at my goal?
Setting expectations
Hey Kenny,
You've dropped yourself into a bind here. Don't fret though -- most men make the mistake you've made until they learn why it happened. And the answer is simple: by meeting with her frequently, you have given her false expectations that there is something more between you two.
The first thing you have to understand about women is that words mean very little whether they are coming from you or even when they are coming from her! Women respond almost 100% more effectively to actions.
If your words are saying, "I just got out of an engagement and I'm not looking for anything serious," but then your ACTIONS say, "well, let's sleep together and spend all this time together and plan our days together!" Guess what she is going to assume? She is going to assume you want to exclusively date her!
There are ways to avoid this, and Ricardus has written a great article on How to Date Multiple Women (with Zero Drama)
Check it out. ;)
- Franco
Friends
This seems like it's probably effective, but...is it really all that important? I mean, I've never in my life met somebody and thought "Man I really wish this person was my friend." Should I force-feed myself that mindset and start making friends just so I can have some?
Catering to the hungry crowd
Hi Kid,
I think Chase is catering to the crowd of people here who are actively looking for friends to improve their social lives. By no means is he suggesting that you need new friends to live a happy life, but if you want to make them, he has given you an excellent recipe to do so.
And he is right on the money.
- Franco
Are Friends Worth Having?
Hey Kid,
In addition to what Franco posted, a thought on having friends in general:
I spent so much time without friends that I never really had a strong drive to have them. After a while, my feeling was effectively just, "Friends? Who needs friends! I'm fine like this on my own." And today, I still go back and forth between periods where I'm spending time with friends, and periods where I'm largely cut off from anyone other than business partners and women I'm dating.
I can look back though and see a big number of places where having friends has been a good thing for my life... they are worth having. Whether you should force yourself to get friends or not is up to you and what you're trying to accomplish; think of your life as something you're building piece by piece, and you've got to choose which pieces you want to include. But the right friends, selected carefully, can broaden your horizons, open your eyes, and introduce you to vistas you'd never have stumbled across in a thousand years - it was because of friends I started traveling overseas, friends that I got into entrepreneurship, friends that I started this website, friends that I was out with many of the times I met some of the most important women of my life.
And this coming from a guy who still goes through periods of time where he spends no time with friends and still tends to think he's fine on his own.
Friends can add a lot to your life, even if you may not think it at first.
Chase
Asking for help
hey chase, this has been a realy intuitive article, I had rememberd how in previous articles, you said some of you're friends who were smooth with women, helped you learn to be smoot yourself, is their a right way to ask someone for help?
Re: Asking for help
Howdy Inferno,
The problem with asking for help is that it instantly positions you as an "apprentice" to the guy... which may or may not be what you want.
Most guys don't want an apprentice unless the guy's already a close friend of theirs... in that case though, they're often happy to take him under their wings. So I'd say decide based on how close you are; if you're talking about a very close friend, you can openly tell him that you'd like to learn to do what he does, and ask him if he can take you under tutelage.
If on the other hand you're just getting to know a guy, asking questions about game and trying to be his student instantly makes you a liability... here's some guy he's got to drag around and teach now.
For these guys, it's much better to not ask anything at ALL... just go, hang out with them, drink, be a going-out buddy, crack some jokes, and generally be a good companion. Guys who are good with girls are typically starved for friends who actually "get it" and aren't going to either judge them or pester them with endless questions... it's fine for him to know you're not as good as he is so long as you're not trying to grill him on things.
One of my naturally very talented friends happened to meet a guy I knew from pickup one night. The pickup guy was pretty good too, but he immediately asked me for my natural friend's phone number because he wanted to ask him some questions after he watched him pick a girl up off the dance floor pretty fast and easily. I asked my pal if he was "yay" or "nay" on me giving his cell number to this other cat, and his response was this: "Hey, if he wants to hang out and have some drinks and hit on chicks, that's cool, but if he just wants to interview me I'm not really cool with that... I don't do interviews." And that was that. That's generally how most guys who are good with girls feel about being asked too many questions... it's just bothersome and it doesn't add anything to their lives (and they don't really know what they're doing much of the time, anyway... they just DO it).
It's better, rather, just to be a friend, and to observe them, draw your own conclusions, and imitate. Imitation is one of the best tools for learning; once you're able to do what your talented friends do, you'll figure out how it works, and even how to go beyond it.
Chase
I am like you Chase, I go
I am like you Chase, I go through long periods without seeing friends or sometimes i never see some of them again and personally i feel i dont really need them. After a while i just lose interest hanging out with them and just go my separate way. This holds true for some lady friends, especially one who would always ask me to come and hang with our "group" from class. I would always say no because i just didn't want to be branded as one of the group who always saw the same girls and same people. I just lose interest hanging out with some people because im naturally a loner. It seems making friends with others comes somewhat naturally though instead of picking up girls which is harder for me in the long run. My social skills are better than my seduction skills, am i doing something wrong that makes me better socially than with women one on one?
Social vs. Seductive Skills
Howdy J.B.,
Nothing wrong there at all, I went through that period too. I remember it being very frustrating, and thoughts like, "God, girls just LOVE me in groups, why can't I replicate that one-on-one?!"
Fact is, the approach you take in groups is different from the one you do one-on-one. In groups, you're looking to be the center of attention, your own attention is more dispersed and spread out, and you'll find yourself wanting to make sure everyone in the group thinks you're a pretty amazing dude. One-on-one though (whether no one else is around, or whether you've zeroed in on one girl in a group), this changes; now it's about getting her to talk, about being intriguing, getting investment, and more. The dynamic shifts significantly, and the goals targeted and techniques for achieving them become different.
So, it's not that you're doing anything wrong, it's simply that you're more developed in groups than you are one-on-one right now. The way to fix that is simply putting more emphasis for yourself on getting one-on-one with girls and training yourself up there, focused on being intriguing, getting investment, getting girls to chase, getting them to tell you a lot about themselves, qualifying them, and chase framing, and leading - all things you do far less in groups, but want to do lots one-on-one.
Cheers,
Chase
Great article Chase... I've
Great article Chase...
I've run into the no friends problem lately. I find that most of my friends are all settling down (marriage, serious relationships) and are not really available often anymore. It sucks, cause these are the guys I hung out with for years. They're filling their time with their girlfriends, and I'm stuck alone a lot of the time.
I've met some guys through work and stuff that I got along with reasonably well, but for the most part I've been disappointed by potential friends. I'm a pretty deep guy and have found that a lot of dudes can't hang. Guess I gotta just put myself out there more, which is a really tough thing to do without social proof on your side and no money. I'm a good conversationalist, but haven't started my own business or really traveled or anything.
I've got #1 down, but 2(implied value) and 3(offered value) are seriously lacking. The problem I have is that it's really difficult to obtain 2 and 3 without having the right connections.
Chase, was pumping your value a slow process for you?
Were you sleeping with a lot of women before you had a lot of friends? (I find that getting together with a girl isn't difficult because I understand attraction, but I have to actively try to disguise my mediocre social value)
Building a More Valuable Life
Hey Dude,
I know the feeling. It's not a lot of fun hitting the bar with your buddy and he brings his committed girlfriend along (who already thinks you're the greatest threat to their relationship), and you're trying to be on your best behavior so she doesn't chew him out later and forbid him from ever hanging out with you again.
For me, building up life value was something of a slow process, yes. I had a very solid job with a well known, very prestigious company that paid well when I started, but I found that translated into social value a lot less than I thought it would. After a while, I stopped telling people about my job entirely.
People value more the things that you know than the things that you have, so getting yourself educated on things that are beneficial to people's lives is crucial. I worked on humor and storytelling while in high school, and this is one big way of bringing value I already had going for me when I started. Having a mixture of great conversation and great advice combined with a rapier wit and the occasional awe-inspiring story make you simply delightful company that everyone wants to have around. So, even when my life wasn't all that exceptional, I had enough outlandish stories saved up in my back pocket that I could pull out to add a little spice to most conversations. Finding ways to get new people I was meeting to want to hang out with me as friends, however, was still rather difficult.
Women and friends I lump into different categories. I had myself doing reasonably well with women maybe a year before I started focusing much on friends... I only decided to learn social circle when I realized it was a major weak spot for me and I was ending up in situations where I was out of my element (and didn't like that feeling).
With women, the main value you're offering, when you really think about it, is your inherent value as a man and a mate. There are things like intelligence and fashion and resources and all, of course, but those are really just ways of communicating your stud value. With friends, you have to offer something more than your body and genes, however, and that's where building other kinds of value (implicit, offered, etc.) becomes necessary.
That takes time, but as you work at it and focus on it, you'll do it.
Chase
Girl friends
Great article, Chase! I admire how you can take an issue that bothers so many people (both guys and girls) and explain a solution to it so clearly. Your article provides targeted value for me, and therefore makes me want to be your friend. :)
You once said that all of your friends who are girls want to sleep with you quite badly (or have already slept with you). It almost seems that you're "moving very slowly" with them - is this right? Did you want them to be your friends or your lovers? How do you get them and keep them in such a great position?
Best,
M
Keeping Girls Wanting You Long-Term
Hey M,
Well, you've been posting here long enough, I should think we're online friends at least, anyway!
With girls, yes - you can keep girls crazy about you almost indefinitely if you do things right. This is the caveat to "move fast," but I usually skip talking about it because the instant 95% of guys hear that it IS possible to move slow, their reaction is, "Great! So I can just take it slow with this girl I like and then we can get together in like 5 weeks, right?" or, "Okay, so I should be able to get this girl I've liked for 2 years and never made a move on, correct?" And the answer there is usually "no."
Essentially what you're doing with this one is keeping the flirting and sexual tension up, but never quite giving the girl what she wants. There also needs to be some element of you being in control - typically, you leave first when you're hanging out with her; and, she calls or texts you to hang out. I'm typically too caught up in whatever I'm doing to spend much time inviting friends out, so the friends I stay close with tend to be the ones who regularly contact me to hang out - female friends included. With them, this ends up maintaing somewhat of a chase dynamic.
That's what makes "moving slow" difficult for most guys to pull off - if you're moving slow, she's got to do ALL the chasing, and you cannot do any chasing at all unless you decide to make a move and take her as your lover. Otherwise, if you have some false starts and halfway-gestures, that dynamic falls apart. You really can't WANT it... the best you can have is a mild passing "maybe" interest. If it's stronger than that, you get attached, and again, this falls apart.
For me, my female friends want to sleep with me because I DON'T chase them at all, and don't make any efforts to sleep with them, and really don't want to sleep with them (logically, anyway, even if the physiological desire is there). And even when they hint that they want to, or invite me somewhere private or intimate with them, I normally decline.
And if when we DO end up alone together, I get us out of there pronto, because I can only control my desires around an attractive woman who desires me too for so long...
Chase
Thanks chase, ill be sure to
Thanks chase, ill be sure to take your advice.
black and hispanic
Again killer stuff Chase.my question here today is that I viewed your post on how Asian guys can get white girls and it was a good read.but how can a black man get latino women?there is a lot of fetish stuff around Asians dating whites and blacks dating hispanics and I want to start daTing them what to do?
Re: black and hispanic
Hey Anon,
Actually, the whole point of the Asian guys, white girls post was that you really DON'T do anything different than what you'd do trying to meet any other kind of girl.
The only thing that you'll need to watch out for with Latin women is figuring out if they're the saucy kind or the conservative kind, as they come in both flavors. The saucy kind you can treat very similarly to how you'd normally treat a black girl, with a lot of hard-flirting and ball-busting and sexual innuendo. Whereas the conservative girls you need to be sweeter and take some of the edge off and handle them more with kid gloves than you would a tougher, saucier girl.
Aside from that, it's pretty much the same - just do what works!
Chase
Great Stuff
Hi Chase,
i notice you guys have been very productive recently.Lots of quality articles,really like the works guys,keep it up.I particularly liked about the being smart article,really change my mind,now i keep in mind that i can't achieve being smart or great or successful or whatever it is,i can only keep working on and on.Why trying to achieve something static right?
Anyway i have a question about relating with someone.I am an optimistic person,i try to keep looking on the bright side of life and not focusing on my misery because i know i have got more work to do.So i am not really an emotionally showing person when things got bad (because i realise you shouldn't show your frustation).But lots of people especially girls like talking about whether their misfortune in life or good things in their life emotionally.When they share their things with me,i can relate when it's a good thing (i can show enthusiasm,but in the same time be smooth).But when they share about the small bad things (things like how the waitress in a restaurant they eat at being rude at them,well sometimes i don't think they're even rude at all).I can't relate at things like that (i usually agree with them and not making it a big deal).
So it isn't exactly a problem but i've also noticed how much you could feel related with a girl with small things like that (since girls are talking about these stuffs with other girls right?).So maybe you have some idea about turning this thing to our weapon in relating with girls ;) especially the one you're having relationship with (since these things usually arise with the one you've been together)
And maybe you could please tell me how to show emotion without being too emotional (showing emotion the right way).
Really appreciate your help man,hope you can add more guns as usual to my arsenal ;).
Cheers
WAB
Complaining
Howdy WAB,
Complaining's one of those things you want to agree with the girl on if it's something serious, and be bored with if it's not.
If for instance you're at a restaurant and the waiter simply is NOT coming over, and she gets annoyed, yeah - that's annoying. So call the waiter over instead of just waiting. If you can fix it, fix it then - don't tell her you're going to fix it (don't talk), just fix it (just take action).
If she's coming to you complaining about something, kind of shrug your eyebrows, roll your eyes to the side, shrug your shoulders a little bit, and say, "Yeah... those kinds of things suck." Always break eye contact during complaints unless it's a serious complaint about you and the fight is on; otherwise, if it's a general complaint about how someone isn't treating her how she wants to be treated, you need to communicate that this isn't a topic that interests you terribly and you'd rather focus on the two of you enjoying your time together. Let her get it out, but let her do it with you not paying total attention and not giving her eye contact, so she doesn't anchor those emotions to you.
Then, as soon as she's said her piece, change the topic onto something more productive and engaging.
On showing emotion... one of the best recommendations is use emotional words with unemotional voice tones or facial expressions. e.g., saying, "Sounds like you had a really tough day... that sucks," without much vocal inflection or without acting sad or mopey is a solid way of conveying a little emotion, but not much.
Chase
Hey Chase, A question on the
Hey Chase,
A question on the conversation part. I'm having some trouble applying the tools of deep diving to get to the "hopes and dreams" part.
For example:
Me: Hey have you thought about uni options yet?
Friend: Yeah, I'm considering studying computer science overseas.
Me: Like where?
Friend: In the UK.
Me: Why the UK instead of like the US or Australia?
Friend: I don't wanna go to the US cos I'd have to take the SATs
Me: oh... I didn't know you were into computers.
Friend: Yeah I find them interesting.
and then I don't know how to proceed from here. I can't get much headway in a deep dive.
Would really appreciate it if you gave me some pointers. Thanks :)
Conversation
Hey Doobie Doo,
Looks like you're missing chances to go deeper and switching back up to shallow / uninteresting topics, as well as letting these girls get away with non-answers.
So, this is a boring topic: "Oh, so you like computers?" It's boring because EVERYBODY likes and uses a computer... it's impersonal, and non-specific. Like if you and I were talking, and I said, "Oh, I didn't know you liked pens. What brand is yours? Is it a Bic?" You'd be like... gah! Get this guy away from me! Why's he ASKING me this... does he need to write an address down or something?
Instead, interesting topic: "Well, okay, that's a reason not to choose the U.S. But it isn't one to choose the U.K. Why there?"
Bulldog. Don't let girls get away with half-assed answers... they give those to most guys, and most guys just let them half-ass it without thinking or getting invested in the conversation, and those guys get zero interest from them as their reward. Make her work, and don't let up until you get real, actual, meaningful answers out of her (on meaningful, personal topics). You may view this as boorish if you haven't done it much, but if you do it right - warmly, charmingly, with great interest and playful curiosity on your part - she will love you for it.
Chase
Developing Valuable and Quality Friendships
Hello Chase!
I've had a rough go with something lately. After reading this post, it's evident that you should put forth equal to or more value than the person you want to be friends with. This has lead me to a dilemma. You see, after reading this post, I took a lot of time to really think and analyze my current situation, and perhaps other guys can relate. What should you do if you are a person of high value, but your friends aren't exactly on your tier?
The thing is Chase, I've had friends my entire life, mind you, I'd usually be putting more value and time into being friends with them than they would with me. An example of how I differ from my friends is that, I've sent them to your website, only for them to give up reading halfway through one post, simply because they don't look to improve themselves. Our mentalities are not quite on the same page. Also, I live in a small town, so it's difficult to meet new people, especially if you are a young guy, and I've yet to meet many socially captivating and intriguing people at school thus far.
I bring this up because I remember you saying how you did not form many friendships as a guy in his teenage years, throughout your high school and university days. What I'd like to know is, is it worth giving up on friendships if the people aren't of equal or higher value? It's a concern I've been a little unsure of, based on the fact that MOST people aren't actively trying to improve themselves, trying to be the best they can be. It's rare to find people like that, so if you don't have any people like that in your social circle or even in your area, is it best to just go your own separate, isolated path, looking to make friends with someone on a similar level once they eventually cross your path?
It's difficult because it is essentially a battle between emotions and logic, as without a social life outside of studying in school, how does one remain healthy and able to function optimally? I just feel that humans, being the social creatures that they are, NEED to have some sort of social relationships, and my emotional side is telling me that if I give up on the current people in my life in search of higher quality, it's not the best idea. Then again, emotional judgment is based more so on the short term as opposed to the long term.
Anyways, Chase do you have any advice for someone in this type of situation; someone who wants to improve themselves but at the same time, doesn't want to lose their currently established friendships, despite the fact that they are not the most ideal in terms of value and quality? I feel that balance is key, and it's good to go out here and there, but do you think isolation in order to improve one's life is a good idea? Seems a bit extreme to me, but in the long term, potentially beneficial. I've set one goal this year, which is to excel in school, but once summer comes around, I don't want to be completely isolated from having a social life.
Thanks, looking forward to some guidance from the master of the social arts himself ;)
Garrett
Friends
Hi Garrett,
That is a tough one, yeah.
The problem with small towns is that pretty much anyone with ambition leaves, as soon as he or she possibly can... so if you're one of the few, rare individuals focused on improving his lot who remains behind, you'll quickly find yourself a big fish in a small pond.
What you do about friends needs to be your call. Personally, I'm very particular about friends, but I've always been that way and I just can't stand having mediocre people around me. It feels as though I'm being tamed, domesticated, and broken. I have to break free. So when I've found myself in a situation where the only choice is mediocre friends or no friends, I've ended up with no friends. On the plus side, it's made me get rather good at both identifying high caliber people, and of providing the right kinds of value to their lives that they view me as as desirable a friend to have as I view them.
But, I don't "operate" quite the same as other people, probably because I spent so much time on my own during my formative years. When I'm just hanging out with people, the constant thought in my head is, "Jesus, I am wasting SO much time right now. How can normal people spend all their time just sitting around talking about nothing? I feel like some lion just lolling about on the savanna, letting the time drift slowly by, day after day." Most people seem to "enjoy" doing or even NEED to do this sort of thing, though - that lolling about, lounging with friends, not doing a whole lot - and if you fall in that category, my guess is that just cutting yourself off from people would be detrimental to your sanity!
One advantage of the Internet is the ability to join communities of more exceptional people than those around you. We're building a place like that in the forum - you could check that out if you haven't yet. And if you browse around, you can find some other places with development-oriented people in other niches or areas on other sites that are of interest to you. These provide not only social stimulation, but intellectual as well - some of my good friends today I was "Internet pals" with years before I ever met in person. A few good friends of mine that I've known for 5 or more years I STILL haven't met in person. The Internet is really the great equalizer.
I'd say, if you don't really need to hang out with people, or can't stand being around lower caliber people, then it's probably best to distance yourself from your friends and focus on figuring out where the higher caliber people are, and/or connecting with them online, and/or moving somewhere you can meet more of them. If you DO need that social stimulation though, and you're going to go crazy without it, it's probably ill-advised to simply ditch your present friends for speculative future ones... you may just end up with a "friendship scarcity mentality."
Chase
High school haters
Hey Chase,
I'm an average high school guy, although I'm still happy with myself. The problem I'm having is that I'm trying to make friends with some popular guys and no matter what I do they will not accept me. For instance they invited me to a chat room to make fun of me and then kicked me out. Some of them are decent but others probably talk about me when I'm not there and one tells me that I think they like me when they really don't. Most are decent individually but inmature when in a group. What should I do, I feel like I'm getting nowhere with them and I'd like your opinion,
Thanks for all the effort you put into this stuff,
K.A.
Haters
Average-
Just saw this comment.
From the sound of it, it feels like you're "courting" these folks for friendship but they something's probably a little off / you're missing some detail socially that's making them view these as unwanted overtures - kinda like the guy who's chasing a girl in a way that isn't really all that attractive, but doesn't realize it.
I'd sit down and have a look at how you're going about trying to be friends with these guys - if they're popular, remember, they're going to be some of the more socially attuned and adept people in school, which is what you'll need to be to make a good impression on them and get somewhere with them. Simple things like are you coming across as someone cool and valuable to know, or as someone who'll be an anchor or who will hold them back; are you front-loading value and offering value, or are you trying to get value from them?
If you can get yourself to the point where you're exuding cool, calm, and confident, and you're offering value and never asking for it, instead of you chasing them, they will start chasing you.
But... you might have a little work to do to get yourself to that point, first. They've already got a head start in the social skills department - you'll need to do some catching up.
Chase
Hey man ive been reading a
Hey man ive been reading a lot of your articles lately and i just wanted to thank you for posting these things you have a brilliant analysis and a great way of explaining it in simple terms. This article killed and i thought back to every friendship i ever made and i couldnt agree more with everything you are saying. Props to you man for figuring things out and sharing.
how to get out from Loneliness?
I'm a shy and quiet kid. I don't talk much because I don't know what to say to other people.
My typical day in school is just focusing on my classwork. I just do work and not talk to anyone else around me. I feel like i'm the only loner in the classroom in every class period in school.
I hear the conversations of people around me. I observe and they seem to have a good time, while i'm just sitting on my desk trying to finish my worksheets. Some conversations i hear are very interesting and I want to join in. But I just fear that I will just bring awkwardness towards the conversation and I'm afraid that they will think that I'm weird and awkward.
You see, im a very sensitive person. I'm afraid to be judged by others. You know what's surprising? I fear embarrassment and shame..more than death. I know..I know, it drives me crazy!
I've been shy throughout all my high school years. Being quiet and shy..lead me to a lonely life. Not being loud and sociable..caused me to have zero friends. Like i said, I'm like a loner. I just spend my weekends alone inside my room and browse the internet and waste away my time. I rarely go outside because I have no friends to invite me out to go anywhere such as to hang out, watch movies, party, etc.
This has been happening for like 3 and a half years straight! And let me tell you..I am sick of it! I only have one life and I want to make sure that every moment counts. I don't want to spend majority of my life..being miserable and lonely. I want to feel companionship from others, feel love, and just have a good time.
And I know..this is all my responsibility. Being a loner, having no friends, being lonely and miserable..are all my responsibility. And now I am responsible to get myself out of this rut. But the only problem is..I don't know what to do.
Can you please give me some motivation, tips, and just general direction..on what should I do from this point?..I just need to change my current circumstances in life..and I just need a helping hand.
Your response and advice will be appreciated! Thank you.
Awesome read
A very awesome and informative read, Chase! We should totally hang out some time hahaha
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