Are You Smart? It Doesn't Much Matter Either Way


I had a conversation the other night over dinner with a friend of mine. He confessed to me that he'd had a moment in university where he'd failed a class, and it made him seriously question his smarts. Before that, he'd always had an easy time in classes, always been at the top of his class, and viewed himself as smarter than 99.9% of people. But after... he'd spent the next 10 years or so trying to figure out, if he isn't smarter than everybody else, then what's so special about him?

We talked some more, and he made some comment later about me being "smart." There it was again... this notion of "smarts." And I said this to my friend:

"You know, when people call me 'smart,' I actually find it mildly insulting."

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"Well, I'm sorry for 'insulting' you, Chase!" he said, half in jest. And I took a moment to try and define why it is that I feel like "smart" is an insult - and then I realized it.

The feeling for me is that when someone calls me "smart," they're taking away all my credit for having worked hard. It's similar to someone calling you "lucky," or "handsome," or "naturally gifted," or anything else that serves to make it sound like you didn't actually DO anything to get whatever it is you got... you just happened into it by a roll of the dice, or a winning of the genetic jackpot.

I realized something else in that moment though, too - a lot of the things my friend was struggling with, that I didn't struggle with, these mindsets, these limiting beliefs - were coming from the fact that he saw some people as smarter than others, and some people not as smart, and that because of this, what they could accomplish was set in stone.

It's a totally different way of looking at the world from how I look at it, and other people who look first to "hard work," and not much at all to "smarts."

So we talked about this, him and I, and I explained why the answer to the question "Are you smart?" has a lot less to do with your results and success rates than you might think, and why thinking that smarts are essential places a ceiling on your accomplishments - regardless of whether you're brilliant, above average, or square in the middle.

Let's have a look at why.


are you smart

The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled.

- Plutarch

I'm a pretty smart guy, I guess.

I test in the 99th percentile in every intelligence test I take. That, of course, is simply the luck of the genetic draw; there's not much I had to do to get that.

But that doesn't necessarily make me a success. There are plenty of men out there less intelligent than me with more money than me, more accomplishments than me, and more storied lives than me. Will I go on to be successful in my life? That all depends on your definition of success, of course - in the eyes of someone who dreams of traveling the world and starting his own business, I already am; in the eyes of someone who wants to be or already is a billionaire, on the other hand, I'm playing from well behind.

There've been some long-term data analyses that have shown that on average individuals of higher intelligence tend to improve their stations throughout life. e.g., if they start out poor, they end up middle class; if they start up middle class, they end up upper middle class, or wealthy.

So there is clearly a certain inherent advantage to intellect; I don't want to completely play it down. And if you're reading the articles on this site, you're probably someone of above-average intellect yourself (otherwise you'd be over on some 300-words-per-article site reading cliché advice about why you should just be yourself instead).

But there is also one mortal flaw to focusing on intellect, whether you have a great deal of it, an average amount, or even slightly below average.

To understand what that flaw is though, we first need to look at a case study about two different mentalities: smart, and hard-working.


Children in School

In a brilliant 2007 Scientific American article entitled "The Secret to Raising Smart Kids," Carol S. Dweck collected research done on the impact of giving school children differing kinds of reinforcement when young to see what effect, if any, the reinforcement had on their futures.

The study was simple: half of a class, cut evenly down the middle with children from all parts of the grade-earning spectrum and all different socioeconomic / racial / ethnic backgrounds, just to make sure everything was even, would be given one kind of feedback for a year when they performed well on a test, while the other half would be given a different kind of feedback. Here were the feedbacks:

  • Half of the children would be told, "You did well on this test; you must be very smart."

  • And the other half would be told, "You did well on this test; you must be very hard-working."

This went on, and the reinforcement continued, the students getting praised consistently on the same quality throughout the year. Half of them kept getting told they were smart; the other half, that they were hard-working.

The impact on their grades? Nothing at all... zip. Zilch. Nada.

Until, that is, about 5 or 6 years later.

What happened 5 or 6 years later, in middle school and early high school?

Well, suddenly, and rather consistently, the children who'd been told that they were smart began to score lower.

And then, as the years progressed, they scored lower and lower than their "hard-working" peers.

It was incredible. Almost unbelievable.

Could a few words of positive encouragement given years before really determine how someone would perform in his or her life to come?


Are You Smart? ... or, Hard-Working?

What the research showed was that based on that early praise, children began to hang their pride on whatever they were praised upon. So,

  • Children praised for being smart came to get their pride out of showing their smarts and being recognized as intelligent, while

  • Children praised for being hard-working came to get their pride out of showing how hard they worked and being recognized for that.

And here's where it gets interesting:

The children praised for being smart began to shy away from progressively harder problems and bigger challenges out of fear that they'd fail and prove themselves NOT smart. Meanwhile, the children praised for being hard-working came to relish working on difficult problems, as it was a chance for them to show their quality.

As a result, the children praised for being hard-working actually worked harder, and learned to tear through difficult problems, working progressively harder and reaping progressively greater dividends as they aged and the problems they encountered grew increasingly complex and increasingly more challenging.

Meanwhile, the children praised for being smart withdrew more and more into their shells, shying away from the challenging projects, and only looking for "guaranteed wins" where they could get reinforcement for their "smarts" with lower levels of risk.

This way of thinking completely colored their own predilections toward challenging problems, and how they thought of themselves and their abilities.

But, I dare say it wasn't only their own abilities that these mindsets colored for them.

My friend who thought success a consequence of smarts mentioned how Albert Einstein had a brain with a freakish amount of myelin in it - the stuff that strengthens connections between neurons, which means faster nerve connectivity in the brain, more rapid processing of thoughts and ideas and, effectively, more mental computing power - and he attributed this to asking a lot of questions all the time.

His argument was, Albert Einstein was a success because he made himself smart (by asking lots of questions).

But I wasn't so sure. "Einstein was smart, yes," I said, "But his I.Q. was only 160. That's high, but there are a LOT of people with higher I.Q.s than that with far less impressive accomplishments. Remember that he spent a number of long years really crunching on his theories and shutting out almost everything else; I don't think you can sum up Einstein's accomplishments to pure intellect."

You see, my friend and I disagreed on something pivotal about success not just in ourselves and others; he had been attributing the success of those who succeeded to their smarts, while I had been attributing it to their work ethic.

I use this discusson to higlhight another effect of the "smart vs. hard-working" mentality: the fact that people don't just see themselves as "smart" or "not smart," "hard-working" or "not hard-working;" they define their entire worldview, and everyone they spy through it, via that filter, too.


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It's not that I'm so smart, it's just that I stay with problems longer.

- Albert Einstein

I don't see the world as "smart" or "not smart." I mean, I can recognize intelligence, to an extent; I realize that much of the time when I'm discussing things, most people are not able to abstract and process and analyze as quickly as I can. And I also recognize that, very occasionally, I sometimes meet someone who is lapping me on abstraction and processing and analysis, too. There really are differing levels of intellect between us all.

One of the differences between someone who thinks like me though - someone who attributes success to "hard work" - and someone who thinks like my friend - someone who attributes success to "smarts" - is that I not only attribute my own successes (and failures) to hard work (or lack of it); I also attribute everyone else's to this, too.

In some ways, this is similar to the article on threats and opportunities; it is a different-colored lens through which to view the world.

When I was in university, and my floormates would walk by my room and say, "I never see you working or studying! And we have the same exact classes and you get better grades than me, and I'm studying and working all the time! Why??" I never thought to myself, "I guess I must be smarter than you;" to me, that'd be the incorrect assumption. Rather, I always thought, "Clearly I work harder and more efficiently than you when I DO work." And when I did poorly on a test that other people did well on, I never took that as a sign that I wasn't "smart;" instead, I took it as a clear indication that I didn't do a very good job studying (or maybe I didn't study at all, as frequently was my habit).

I describe myself as a "very efficient worker." I like telling people about how quickly I get things done. When I write articles for this site, I often churn them out in under 3 hours. When I do pickups, they usually don't exceed 3 hours maximum, open to close, and frequently are faster. You'd really have to stretch it to say I write faster because I'm smart, or I pick up faster because I'm smart. Because that's not what it is at all; I worked very hard, and became very efficient.


Why You Don't Want to Be "Smart"

are you smartQuick, how smart are you?

Got it?

Okay, good.

Now, in three months, I'd like to see you be much smarter.

Can't do that? Why not?

"Smarts," as most people define them, are not something you can easily improve - in fact, you may not even view them as something that can be improved at all. You're stuck with what you've got when you were born; you're either smarter than someone, or you're not.

You are, as we discussed in the article on guy talk, trapped in another one of those inescapable hierarchies - except this one is universal. Everyone is a member of this hierarchy, and there's no way out of it! You're STUCK! Either you're smarter than them... or they're smarter than you. No two ways about it.

So there you are, trapped in a hierarchy based upon something you cannot change. No wonder intellect is such a sensitive topic for so many people, and no wonder so many fly into a furious rage whenever anyone brings up I.Q.'s or intelligence's genetic roots... these people arguing for environmental factors as if environmental factors can determine raw intellectual power to make them feel like they still have some control over their lives.

Sure thing, environmental factors... just like all those orangutans, gorillas, chimpanzees, and Boston terriers raised in intellectually stimulating environments who went on to win Nobel prizes in medicine!

No, intellect is largely determined. Some people ARE smarter than you and me, and others are not as smart as us. That's just how it is, and you cannot control it, no matter how much Baby Mozart you listen to while you're drifting off to sleep.

However, how hard you work - and how efficiently you work - THAT is very much under your control. And you can even learn more efficient mental processes to make up for whatever raw computing power you lack in the face of someone more naturally "smart" than you.


Hard Work as the Solution

When you see success as being a result of hard work and efficient work, and not smarts, where you get your pride from changes. You begin to feel good about working harder and working smarter and more efficiently, and you begin to actually do those things.

You begin to build processes that make you more successful.

Pinning success on "smarts" doesn't do any of this for you. Maybe it compels you to get more educated in a specific field... but there is one colossal failure point in smarts:

It's not ACTION oriented!

Think about it like this:

  • Guy #1 wants to become really successful with women, and focuses on getting smart about women and dating

  • Guy #2 wants to become really successful with women, and focuses on working hard on women and dating

Which of these two guys is going to spend more of his time taking action?

Guy #1 probably spends the bulk of his time reading and thinking pickup. And he hardly ever does it.

Guy #2 splits his time reading and thinking pickup (so he can work more efficiently by learning concepts and shortcuts he didn't know / hadn't discovered yet), and also getting out there and actually doing it (working hard).

Who's probably going to get the results he dreams of, and who isn't?

It's the hard working guy, isn't it?

If you've been thinking about smarts as the key to success, you've been thinking about it all wrong.


The Only Fate is What We Make

A focus on smarts is one of the factors contributing to victim mentality; after all, how can you be in control of your life when the greatest factor determining your success is largely innate and outside your control?

I've found that, in general, people I meet who view smarts as the key to success tend to have more fatalistic attitudes; and I've never met a successful person who pinned his success on intelligence.

Another friend of mine has another opinion: that people attribute success to smarts out of laziness. This friend believes that someone who doesn't want to work hard and be a success sees dismissing success as something that takes "smarts" is the lazy man's way out of it; that way, he can throw his hands up and say, "Well what else could I do? I'm just not SMART enough to be successful!"

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I don't think everyone is this way, but I agree there is a subset of "smarts" people who use smarts as just another excuse (e.g., "That guy's successful because he's smart," "That guy's a success because he got some lucky breaks early on," "That guy's a success because he had a friend who...").

Essentially, if you're a "smarts" person, then you are unable to get the things you want out of life because either:

  • You really honestly believe you lack the ability that others possess, or

  • You don't really want those things, and would rather shrug off the responsibility of having to go get them by chalking up others' success to things you don't or can't have, like more smarts than you

If it's the latter... stop making excuses. You can always find SOMETHING to "blame" for another person's success if you want to, no matter what that success IS. Could be their smarts, could be their friends and mentors, could be where they grew up, where they went to school, anything. Maybe they're lucky because they had a wealthy childhood and grew up around the things you want and know them inside and out, and that's why they're successful. Maybe they were strengthened by a DIFFICULT childhood, and armed with grit and salt and determination, and THAT'S why they're successful. You can find a reason for anyone being more successful than you and why you can't be successful too, if you look hard enough.

But you can also find reasons how you too can achieve the same things as them.

Sure, there are limitations. A chimpanzee will never build a skyscraper. And an ant will never decipher general relativity.

But what if your problem is the former? What if you just don't think you have the ability?

Can a man come close to the accomplishments of another man - or meet them, or exceed them - if he truly sets his mind to it?


Working Hard and Working Smart

To me, success isn't just about working hard. I really had this hit home to me in the back of an electric tricycle on the island of Boracay in the Philippines.

Here was this guy driving me in this motorized trike, working his tail off - he told me he worked 14 hours a day, 6 days a week. He'd gone to college before, but he'd had to drop out - he didn't have the funds to continue. So right now, he was making just enough money to get by and to pay for his wife's education, so that she could live her dreams. I didn't tell him, but most of the times I've seen a husband selflessly foot the bill to get his wife educated while he stayed behind, she later left him for someone more educated and more successful than he was.

When I saw this, when I rode in the back of that motorized tricycle and talked to that driver - I'd known it subconsciously for a long time; but I hadn't actually thought about it quite like that... I realized that it's very possible to work hard and still get absolutely nowhere.

It's very possible to work your ass off, but pour that work into something that pays almost nothing.

Like, a beggar. A beggar may work harder for a longer period of time than a guy sitting in a cubicle in an office somewhere, but the guy in the cubicle makes more money because he's working more efficiently and doing work that's more highly valued by society (thus, he's paid more for it). What the beggar provides to society is not that highly valued (some ego boosts for the people who pay him; they feel good about themselves, and are reassured they are good, charitable people - his job is essentially giving them the chance to feel generous in exchange for some loose pocket change), and thus, the office worker is paid more.

At the start of my ebook, How to Make Girls Chase, I take a few pages to talk about working hard and working smart. That's because I want to make sure that before you start using any of this material, you're coming at it from the right angle:

  1. You must work hard, and consistently, and a lot; and

  2. You must make that work productive, efficient, and intelligent.

You do those two things, and suddenly you're finding success easier and easier to achieve.

Why's it so important to do both?

If you don't work hard, you don't get anything done. And if you don't get anything done... then all you ever do is stay right where you are.

And if you don't work smart, you'll get a lot done if you're working hard, but there's a good chance that a lot of it's useless grunt work. Like, working really hard on something that you could've found a much easier way that would take you 5% of the effort compared to what you were doing before and be done in 2% of the time.

When you put the two of those together, and you work hard and smart, you end up with a winning formula for success.


Priding Yourself on Hard, Smart Work

If you read the articles on this site, you'll see plenty of examples of me talking about how hard I had to work to get to this point, or reach that point.

You won't see anywhere that I talk about myself as just "having a gift" or "just being smart," or anything like that. Because I don't see anything that way.

Show me a successful inventor, or business magnate, or actor, or singer, or model, or author, or CEO, or politician, and I'll show you a guy (or gal) who works really, really hard and who is very, very efficient in the work he (or she) performs.

How do you come to pride yourself on:

  • Working hard? and
  • Working smart?

Part of it is simply positive reinforcement from authority figures and others you look up to.

But what about beyond that? What if you don't get pride out of hard work, and instead still have a lot of your ego wrapped up around "being smart" or being something else that you can't change and can't control?

There's no easy answer, but I suggest surrounding yourself with people who have an ethic along the lines of what you're in the process of conditioning yourself to have - that is, people focused on working hard, and working efficiently.

There's a lot of research showing that you become like the people around you. Obesity spreads epidemically among friends - they've put together networks that model it. Is obesity caused by a disease? No - it's all about habits and mentalities. Same with fatalism, or optimism - even as simple a thing as hard, smart work.

So... are you smart enough to do the things you want to do? To get better with girls, redesign your life, break free of the 9-to-5, or whatever else you have on your wish list?

Turns out, that's not even the question you ought to be asking yourself. The right question is,

"Will you work at it enough?"

Well... will you?

That is the question.

Chase Amante

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Nicholas's picture

Do you read the Rawness?


Because that exact paper/discussion was in his latest blog post, it was tailored more towards narcissism and identity though. You might've been meaning to write about it regardless, I just find the timing coincidental.

My 2c: You know growing up I was exactly that kind of child. Everyone called me smart, both family and friends. I'm not sure if I avoided things because I was afraid of failure but I definitely never really worked all that hard. Even if I did fail to live up to 'expectations', I never really beat myself up over it because I knew I was a lazy ass and that I could do better if I just worked harder.

Still a lazy ass about my studies but the self development process I've started this year, I really don't see it ending any time soon. I just have to work harder and keep at it. Like hell I'm going to roll over and give up. I've given up at quite a few things in life but this is too important for me to stop.

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Growing Up

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Hi Nicholas,

Not familiar with Rawness, no, although a narcissism / identity spin on that research's findings sounds like it'd make for a good read.

Yeah, self-development's pretty much the most important thing you can put your energies into - it enables you to do better everywhere else: income, romance, sex, family, friends, mindsets, etc. Studies can be a part of that - or sometimes they can end up not being a part of that.

Sounds like you're not having much trouble sticking with it, either - which is great... the easiest things for you to really take off and run with are the ones you enjoy.

Cheers,
Chase

Al's picture

Great Article, Chase this is


Great Article, Chase this is an invaluable mindset for so many areas of life. I want to see an article on how to tell good anecdotes and speak about yourself. I know this goes against deep diving and LOLE but when conversations do start to become a question and answer session i often struggle to make an insightful or interesting comment.

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Speaking About Yourself

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Hey Al,

Duly noted - I'll add that one to the list. You're right, nothing on here that does much for addressing that one right now... but I'll get that addressed.

Chase

Zac's picture

Feeding and Praising


I personally experience "Smart vs Hardwork" mentality mid 2011 when i realize i wasn't really smart in my school and results flung, i still do get caught with my emotions of my learning curve sometimes because i just got answers right. I get excited, Somehow i try controlling by working on it more, and understanding it better.

My question would be, Do we start praising people differently when it is viable?

As a common example, you don't praise women they are beautiful because it is very common for them to get that.

So what do we praise people then when you see your children, friends or people or women when they achieve something?, Their hard work? There's a general advice that write something that is personal and can relate to that person. "i see you put in a lot of effort" as some sentence you put together, an example.

Zac

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When to Praise

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Hi Zac,

Definitely, you only want to praise people when it makes sense. That's why, for instance, in that study referenced in the article, the schoolchildren were praised for their smarts or their hard-work after they'd received a good grade - that way the connection between the praise and an actual accomplishment was clear, and the student could look at himself and say, "Yes - I AM smart / hard-working!"

Praising when there isn't a reason the individual can tie the praise to make the praise feel hollow and unmeant - so, very important to always have a reason why you're giving a certain kind of feedback.

Chase

Wes's picture

Eye opening


The funny thing is, I've always had this hardworking view when it comes to school but I never really thought about it in terms of pickup. Literally the first thing I did when I first found this site was cramming all the information I could into each day that passed. You could say I looked like a kid who had just found a GOLD MINE of candy, finishing one article after another like i was stuffing my stomach.
My whole strategy all along was to know everything first then when i come to the situation I know how to handle it...but i'm guessing what youre trying to say is
Go out, work hard, get experience, and when things go wrong, come back here and see how you can improve.

thanks for the eye opener.

Wes

Franco's picture

Kinda, Wes...


Hey Wes,

That's along the lines of what Chase is saying here, but he's also saying that "hard work" accompanied with "smarts" can absolutely expedite the process!

I am probably the perfect example of this. I came to this website and did exactly what you did: I spent an entire month just blasting through article after article and absorbing as much information as possible.

But did I stop there...? Of course not! It only took me about five weeks after discovering this website to get myself out into the field and start applying this knowledge. HOWEVER, having read ALL of the articles before getting into field testing gave me a distinct advantage over everyone else. Why is that? Well, when I failed (because I did, and because you will), I was able to analyze my interaction RIGHT THERE on the spot and figure out what I did wrong. I was able to use my "smarts" to continue my "hard work" with very little turnaround time.

So what Chase is emphasizing here is that "hard work" and "smarts" can both contribute to success -- and having/applying both will expedite the process even faster!

After moderating the new forum boards for a few weeks now, I have seen several members make a post along the lines of:

"Hey Chase, I read your post on How to Get Girls: The Last Post You'll Ever Need, and I've approached tons of girls, but I seem to not be getting anywhere. What's the deal?"

To be honest, I was quite impressed by this. These guys had read one article on this website and were able to approach dozens of women! However, not having read the other articles for more details, they often found themselves in situations where they didn't know how to move things forward!

This is where "smarts" would have assisted their "hard work."

Anyway, the point I'm making here Wes is that you shouldn't stop doing research. Just make sure you are also applying it in the field for the quickest and best results. ;)

- Franco

Wes's picture

Thanks for clearly that up


Thanks for clearly that up Franco.
i guess i should hard work part of this down tight.
if i could ask one thing, I was wondering in what order did you master each technique that you have down pat right now.
I'm having a hard time mastering one thing and I'm jumping from one thing to another. Its really overwhelming.

Also do you have any advice for moving forward for a guy who doesnt even have a car or really even a place to bring women home? I don't want use that as an excuse anymore.

Franco's picture

Mastering technique...


Hey Wes,

As far as mastering technique, it should be pretty straightforward.

In order to practice moving a girl, you have to approach her first. In order to practice deep diving a girl, you have to move her first. In order to practice getting a phone number from a girl, you have to practice deep diving her first.

...Seeing the picture here? =)

In general, most of these techniques can not even be practiced until you've had a solid grasp on the techniques that come before it in a full seduction routine.

However, if you're still at the stage of having approach anxiety and can't even get yourself to approach attractive women, you might want to just practice talking to strangers first (preferably girls you aren't particularly attracted to) so that you can really get comfortable having conversations with them and getting to know them. That confidence can really help transfer over to women you are attracted to.

As for my situation, I was already well-versed in socializing with women, so the two things I had to practice the most were overcoming approach anxiety and hard-pushing for physical escalation and closing. Things like deep-diving, texting, and building rapport were second nature to me.

With that being said, you might want to grab a piece of paper and write down two columns: "Strengths" and "Weaknesses." In each column, go through the blogs and write down which techniques or seduction aspects you think you are strong at right now in the "Strengths" column and the ones you are weak at in the "Weaknesses" column. Also, try to write them in the "order" that you would use them in a seduction (i.e. #1 Opening, #2 Moving, #3 Deep Diving, etc).

Next time you go out, try to really focus on practicing the ones that you've placed into the "Weakness" column (preferably in order) until you feel like you've really become comfortable with it to the point where you can move it over into the "Strengths" column. The idea behind this is that you can stay focused on which areas you need to work on until eventually you get everything in the "Strengths" column! (From there, you can even start adding new, advanced techniques that Chase has added on this website and place them where they belong in your chart)

This is just one way to refine your abilities. There are also others, but this is why writing things down can really help you organize your thoughts and focus on what you need help with.

And in the end, keep in mind that practice makes perfect. ;)

- Franco

Wes's picture

Thanks for the help, Franco


Thanks for the help, Franco

Rasui's picture

Ouch


Ouch, this article really cut to the core. So many things crystallized while I was reading it. I've always been one of those "smarts" worldview types, and taking the perspective you propose in this article I can see how I've payed for it. I know you're right, and that's really unsettling at the moment. A lot of the articles on this site have asked me to question my worldviews. Mostly it was societal constructs that never made much sense to me in the first place, so it was easier to accept. This however, is just so fundamental to my worldview. I would even go so far as to say it's the primary lens with which I've viewed my life. On one hand I'm very grateful, on the other I feel a bit shaken and lost.

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Re: Ouch

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Hey Rasui,

It's always a little strange when you've been seeing the world as one way and suddenly find yourself jolted into seeing it another. Can be rather disturbing, disconcerting, and unnerving.

Once you get over the initial hump of changing your worldview though, you'll find the "hard-work" mentality a much more empowering way of looking at things. It takes a lot of the outcome and results of your life out of the hands of fate, and places them firmly into your hands.

Of course, yes... there is that odd-feeling transition period to go through first... and probably also a little disappointment at not being able to chalk it all up to destiny so much anymore.

Cheers,
Chase

M's picture

Devotion to work


Hey Chase - here is a comment I posted in your "How to be Edgy" article, but it's relevant here as well. To give some context, your above article talks about hard/smart work in general, but doesn't discuss constant devotion to your area of work and how that can be compatible with working hard on dating skills as well.

My question is: how does truly edgy individual (e.g. Mozart) find time/motivation to make himself into a sexy man? If you're truly devoted to your work (i.e. all of your time and thoughts passionately go into it), would you really make time (or care) to work on your conversational skills or sexy vibe or vocal purr, or to systematically go out to practice meeting women? Would any of the three people in your article have consciously worked on these things? I think these things are very important (not just for getting girls), and I make time to do them, but they sometimes seem to take away from my dedication to my real work, and subsequently from the "edge" I usually have.

There's also, of course, the much bigger question of how to train yourself to be completely devoted to your work - essentially, how to silence distractions, wandering thoughts, basic desires, hobbies, etc. so that you can produce something great - but you don't have to answer that one. :)

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Meeting Girls When You Have Other Priorities

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Hey M,

For the most part, the majority of legendarily successful men tend to have gone in bursts of sleeping with lots of women, followed by periods of relative celibacy while they did nothing but work on whatever it was they were building or creating.

You can see this with Einstein, for instance - he was never monogamous, having a great deal of affairs and frequently meeting women off the street as he went about his day. But he'd also lock himself away in a room and do nothing but work on his theorems for long stretches of time, too.

There are a handful of great men who were actually celibate - Isaac Newton, who had an extreme fear of rejection and may or may not have been homosexual; Nikola Tesla, who said he had a great deal of desire for women, but did not women to distract him from his work, so despite having a lot of women throw themselves at them, he steadfastly remained chaste until his death (and, in fact, did manage to produce an impressive number of technological advances and achievements, many of which he is under-credited for).

For the most part though, it's cycles - sometimes working very hard, and other times playing very hard. They seem to reinforce and magnify one another - when a man knows he's doing great things, he feels extra confident about picking up women and managing his relationships with strength and clarity, and when he has a high sex drive and a great amount of desire, he's often able to transmute this and channel it into production at other times in the cycle that will increase his power and expand his sex appeal.

Chase

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chase............


chase............ unbelievable this is in my top ten of all the posts on this site CONFIRMED EYEOPENER!!!!!My question here today is how to overcome laziness say i will go and improve my game with girls in the morning but in the night it's like i am a different person.i say say i will only sleep for 7 hours ,but despite my alarm i will sleep for 9.i promise myself that i will change but the next day it's like i fall into these unpreventable lapses.how can i get rid of this monkey on my back ???

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Overcoming Laziness

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Howdy Student,

Sleep's one I'd recommend you don't skimp on. If you're having trouble sleeping for fewer than 9 hours, then I'd plan around that, and go to bed 2 hours earlier so you can still get yourself up at the time you want to get up at.

On the others, it's good if you can schedule things out and have routines. You can also have certain "I will not do this until;" e.g., "I won't have dinner until I've completed [thing]." If you're having trouble getting out to meet girls, try to plan it in advance; things you try to do emotionally (where you wake up and say, "Yeah! Today I'm going to do it!") are gone as soon as the emotions behind them are gone; but things you plan to do logically (where you sit down and say, "Okay, Thursday at 9:30 PM I'm going to Player's Club; Friday at 10 PM I've leaving for Bar West," etc.) those are far less dependent on emotions and are rather scheduled in.

Cheers,
Chase

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the first introduction


Chase, great article! when I do give compliments to women, I am definitely going to give my dues to them putting in the effort to look awesome today, rather than just saying that they're beautiful or something.

This is kind of off topic to the article, but I had a question on the first introduction to a new women you've just approached, say during the day on the street. I know that with new guys you meet you give them a firm handshake. Girls, obviously, have less strong hands, so often times I mess up with the handshake by not shaking it hard enough and my handshake sometimes comes out all limp and, I fear, wimpy. Do I shake firm? What about a kiss on the hand as an introduction? I know I've seen that somewhere in the movies by a sexy man! Have you tried that and does it work?

thanks for the insight!

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First intro


My general rule of thumb for this is..

Men, hold firm. Women, hold longer.

I find that really only men and actual working women (think business or sales) actually give a shit about firm handshakes, as long as you don't come off as, like you said, wimpy (which is hard to do tbh).

So just give it a pause for women instead, and hold hands with her and talk for a few moments. Like in one of my articles, I talked about experimenting with silence and pauses to see which reactions you get.. do the same here but with holding hands. You can even flip it over like you said and make it more like a suave/courting gesture.

You can even pull them into you if you don't hear exactly what they are saying..

You: I'm Adam
Her: Oh hi I'm Chelsea :)
You: Huh? *pulls*
Her: Ah, Chelsea.
*up close*
You: Hi there...

You can then combine it here with the silence, or do w/e. Have fun with it, and play with the varying levels of tension. It's fun, you can do it in weird ass situations, but it's also a bit crude in the sense that it's very direct and not subtle.

- Eric

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Chase what can I do to stop


Chase what can I do to stop caring about people. And I don't mean it in a cold way but I care for this one girl a lot and it's messing up my head and making me very emotional. It's not like the article when you wrote "can't stop thinking about her", this girl has done a lot for me and she makes me happy but My feelings are strong for her and I hate having feelings. I feel weak and out of control, I'm not asking on how to get her I just want to get rid of my feelings and take control of my emotions. Also chase idk if you working on it or not but I asked for an article on self esteem/inferiority complex? I just want to know if you Remembered about it. Thank you

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Hey Vaughn


Feeling weak SUCKS, but it's not the end of the world. You've got to remember you can always become better, and there are always those weaker than you (as well as higher).

Looking at the world in such a way creates a disaster. Stop focusing on your girl, and focus on girls. Plural. Meet a lot and get yourself uncomfortable.

We always have setbacks, and I'm currently going through them. I broke my leg rock climbing, and I just recently started again. IT SCARES THE CRAP OUT OF ME NOW, and my skill level also went down. My friends also got even better, so it's frustrating. I'm pushing myself though, and luckily I have good friends who think similarly about confronting fears. Feels like crap when I suck, but oh well. I know I'll quickly return and become even better.

Feelings aren't bad, and nether is lack of control. While it's bad for seduction, it's not the end of the world. It's hard to reset a current situation you're in, but there are new people to meet and scenarios to experience so it's not worth your time.

I'm not Chase, but I also don't think either one of us could give you straight up advice on how to cut out emotions and move on.. It's not an easy to do thing, so the solutions are not easy. Here are some quick things I did when I went through bad breakups, or even what I do with any bad moment:

1) I take a step back from the people in my life and the situation, and re-prioritize my focuses. This means focus on school or career, and meeting completely new people. I've also cooped myself up and played video games, something I rarely do these days, as a way to clear my head and wind down from being social.
2) I make plans for what I'm going to do. The best way to get rid of feeling is to create new ones, and planning ahead or contemplating your future often gives me a lot of motivation. Obviously being negative is detrimental.
3) I rationalize my situation, tell myself "it's no big deal, it sucks but what can I do besides move on and do the best at what I do.. well.. best", and move on instantly. Realize that anything and everything is temporary. If you're stuck at something because you're weak... then you can just get stronger. If you're worried about what people think about you, that's okay there's 7 billion of them. Etc.

When you get really good at these three things you learn to come out of bad situations incredibly well, and super motivated. The instant shit hits the fan, you'll go "okay shit's hitting the fan, anti-shit-cloak ACTIVATE!" and then walk away from the scenario with elation and a refreshing outlook.

As for directly addressing your "inferiority complex". For the mean time, stop labeling yourself that way. Everyone has an insecurity, but labeling it gives it more power. Just relax and realize you've got to work on some things, but agian -- it's temporary.

Victor's picture

Wow. That's a very good


Wow. That's a very good advice, really. IMO it deserves an article of it's own, with a bit of elaboration on re-prioritizing and rationalizing.

Eric Reeves's picture

I'll try


I had the idea, but it's a bit hard for me to flesh out an article-quality post on such a subject. I'll definitely try though.

Anonymous's picture

Does anybody know where i


Does anybody know where i can find the post on the psychologist giving people any excuse to cut in line any almost everyone let him get in front of them.

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Automaticity

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Hi Anon,

Don't have a post up on it here (yet... we'll get to it eventually, though), but it's a phenomenon known as "automaticity." Wikipedia has a pretty good article talking about it here, including the experiment with cutting in line at the copying machine you referenced:

Automaticity

Cheers,
Chase

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"No, intellect is largely


"No, intellect is largely determined."
That is a bit too much I think, there is a debate with good arguments on both sides, and the answer is more probably in the middle.
The brain is very plastic, and can re accommodate to different tasks, so "smartness" is a very flexible term, it means different things to different people.
You may be born with a fixed capability to make calculus, but the more you make it, the faster your brain will proccess it and the "smarter" you become.

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Intellect

Author

Depends what you mean by "smartness." The premise in the article was that intellect is the result of your genes, but that you can speed up processing and pattern recognition somewhat with training, which seem to be the same things you're saying here.

In any event, remember, the correlation in I.Q.s between adult monozygotic (identical) twins raised apart is .86. That is to say, if we took any individual, cloned him, and measured the clone's adult I.Q., we'd be able to name the original individual's I.Q. with 86% accuracy; in other words, 86% of your intelligence as an adult is determined by what chromosomes you have.

There's the other 14% to account for, of course, and that's the learning and conditioning you mentioned (and that's mentioned in the article above). So, plays a part, yes - but better to focus on learning new skills and capabilities than to spend time obsessing over the 14% of intelligence that you can control. No matter how much he works at it, a man of average mental abilities by nature is never going to nurture himself into a genius, nor will a natural genius nurture himself into a supra-genius - but each man can still learn to be proficient at something if he devotes the time and energy to it.

Chase

SomeGuy's picture

The theory that IQ is fixed


The theory that IQ is fixed at birth seems to be not so true according to modern thinking, the brain ended up being more plastic than it was thought,
The brain can be modified way more than 14% as far as I see, yet, the way to do it is exactly what you suggest. Doing new challenging things, while working hard at it.

source: http://www.iqtestexperts.com/iq-improve.php

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Intellect

Author

You may be confusing childhood I.Q. with adult I.Q. Childhood I.Q. is far more plastic; according to most research the I.Q. displayed among children can only be attributed 45% to genes (55% to environment). However, as individuals age, their I.Q.s stabilize into what they "should be" genetically, ending up somewhere over the 85% to 86% range genetic, 14% to 15% environmental, as adults.

There's a great Wikipedia article on the heritability of intelligence quotas with 49 different references, including the most recent research on the topic, cited right here:

Heritability of IQ

Chase

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IQ and Intelligence


I think also part of the confusion may simply be semantics and the example. IQ is often not a good way of measuring raw intelligence, as it can be trained and increased through practice.

smarty's picture

This reflects what happens


This reflects what happens when you go with the way of smart too long:
http://ask.metafilter.com/104940/How-can-I-make-myself-do-stuff
It ends up feeling like you just can't do stuff, and have to force yourself to be able to do simple tasks.
Great article!
A smart guy that's recovering.

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Recovering Smart Guy

Author

That's a good example (although it has some procrastination mixed in). Even with a hard-work mentality, I tend to run up on deadlines myself as well - although for me, it's more a belief that I'm so efficient that I can get done in a few hours what most people take all week to do!

Usually results in me being late for everything.

Any time someone starts getting the "I'll do it later, it won't take much time / effort to do," this one's important to circumvent by adopting a, "I'll clear things off my plate as soon as they end up on my plate, through doing them or through delegation or through scheduling them into my week," mentality. Especially as your obligations pile up, it's the only way to handle them without getting dragged under kicking and screaming.

Chase

Maxz's picture

Another great article Chase.


Another great article Chase.

I have always believed these things too. That smartness was not determinative
on what we achieved. It is all about how hard you work. Only wished I had realized this in trying to get women a long time ago.

Anonymous's picture

Hey Chase, I fully agree with


Hey Chase,

I fully agree with your statement here when you said that "When you put the two of those together, and you work hard and smart, you end up with a winning formula for success." and on that note only one quote comes to mind : "Hard work beats talent when talent doesn’t work hard".
On the other hand i don't believe that you need "positive reinforcement from authority figures and others you look up to" sure some people might seek a push from time to time but YOU DON'T REALLY NEED IT. All that you need is to constantly strive to outmatch yourself every time cause if you only try to surpass the person you look up to in fact you simply limit yourself to a slightly better position than his so don't settle for just that and remember "If you want to improve, be content to be thought foolish and stupid."

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Positive Reinforcement

Author

Hey Anon,

True you don't need it. It is though one of those things that has a much greater impact than most realize (or care to admit) - e.g., it's very, very rare to see highly successful people who did not have very supportive parents (although it does happen). This "authority figure reinforcement" aspect is also one you can control yourself, simply by seeking out mentors and other authority figures who can train you early in important areas and receiving your reinforcement that way.

But, as with anything, there are multiple roads to every destination - you simply need to choose the one you'd rather prefer to travel.

Chase

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HS social status


Hey Chase,
What would you say is the best way to increase high school popularity? That question might make you roll your eyes as you are constantly preaching cold approach, however i honestly think that there is something to this popularity thing. These guys all seem so COOL, yet sometimes they aren't exactly following the Law of least effort. These guys are bros, some call them duechebags, but they usually are high energy and more or less entertaining. I remember in youre post about being edgy that these people have an air of superiority around them, however I dont really know how to replicate that.
What would the process for becoming popular look like? I would say im on the edge of popularity, as the "cool" kids all talk to me and invite me to their lunch tables and stuff (hardcore, right?), yet they do not invite me to their houses and parties, which are actually quite fun. How can I develop an air of superiority, and is there anything in specific I can do to raise my status?

Thanks man

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Social Status in High School

Author

Hey Jaden,

Chasing after high school social status is kind of like chasing after that one special girl who has you in the friend zone or worse - you MIGHT be able to get her, but it's going to require you sell your soul to do so.

Much of my time in high school was spent obsessing over social status. For me, the keys were a killer sense of humor that included making jokes in class that even the teacher enjoyed, combined with participating a lot and getting a lot of right answers (I'd swear that part of my ability to analyze better than most came from my striving to be able to answer every question a teacher asked in class, and what good grades I had came from that too; sitting there crunching hard questions constantly on the spot forced me to know the material and improve my ability to access it, parse it, and draw conclusions from it). The balance between classroom humor and classroom participation and intellectual displays meant that teachers put up with my jokes because I was also one of their favorite students, meanwhile the other kids appreciated my displayed intellect and didn't reject it as "nerdy" intellect because I offset it with humor.

I also obsessed over movements, clothes, fashion, conversation, presentation, reputation, and every other detail that could possibly influence how others saw me. I'm glad for it now; I learned a lot of valuable things about coming across the way you want to come across then that I'd not have learned any other way. But it was damning to go through then.

If I was going to do it again, the one recommendation I'd have for myself to do that I didn't do then was to offer value and show subtle leadership. e.g., I did NOT go out of my way to offer value to people I wanted to get to know better, such as give them incredible conversation that made them feel like we'd quickly become close friends, or save seats for them, etc. You know, the things that real friends do for one another. Instead, I was sort of standoffish, and kept people at a distance, and this isn't the way to build friendships.

So, I'd say, keep this one in mind: offer value FIRST, if you want others to offer you value later. Make sure it's subtle, and make sure it doesn't feel like you're TRYING to offer value (e.g., don't go buying people presents or giving them your food or lunch money, etc.), but rather find ways that being in your presence simply makes people's lives cooler, better, warmer, more inspirational, and more enjoyable.

Chase

Anonymous's picture

Paperback Book


Chase, hello.

Have you thought about publishing your book "How to Make Girls Chase" in paperback form? Personally, I much prefer to read books in print form rather than on my computer as a pdf. I think we spend too much time in front of a screen as it is. Also, having your book in print form, and being on a site like Amazon, could make it more mainstream and presentable... if that actually is your vision for GC.

Keep up the great work!

Matthew

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Re: Paperback Book

Author

Hey Matthew,

The original plan back when I published the book was to publish it in print and in digital format. I had the test copies printed out and inspected, but had to make some updates and never made the second round of test prints necessary before I could put the print book out. Ended up shelving the plans on it for a while, since selling on Amazon, B&N, and everywhere else essentially requires an entirely other marketing push, and I haven't had the time.

At some point when I get a breather I'll go back and do a revision of the book to include some of my more recent thinking and expand certain sections, get a better cover, etc. Whenever I do that, I'll look to print it and market the print version of the book as well at that point.

But, that's the plan for now, with regards to book. Not sure when that will be though; have a lot of more immediate things on my plate before I can get to that.

Thanks for the suggestion, and yeah, I am looking to buck the trend and make this a "mainstream business" with outside sensibilities. We'll see how that goes, though ;)

Chase

Ken's picture

Kind of confused here. It's


Kind of confused here. It's clear that getting the best results depends on you putting in the work regardless of how "smart" you might be, but isn't it a good thing for others to perceive your success as a result of your intelligence rather than your effort?

Way back in high school I observed something kind of funny about the top students: there was kind of a "minimum effort" contest going on, at least when talking about your work. It was almost bragging to say that you put off your assignment until the last second, and spent only 2 hours on it, etc. When I saw all the talk about the "law of least effort" here, that really connected with it--now it seems like this is the opposite.

How does this fit in with that framework? Is this article more about the perspective you're supposed to have internally, rather than what you're supposed to project to others?

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Appearance of Effort vs. Smarts

Author

Ken,

Exactly. Law of Least Effort is predominantly about the appearance of effort... and, to an extent, the actual effort exerted in the moment. But when you really stop and think about it, a socially graceful individual on average has spent WAY more time parsing, practicing, and perfecting socializing than someone who's socially effortful and clumsy. It's just that there, in that moment, the practiced person is more effortless and graceful than the clumsy, effortful person.

What ends up happening with school work and other related things is that BECAUSE people want to look effortless, the people who don't see all the effort go in come up with smarts as the explanation, which causes a lot of these problems with people want to be "more smart," no one realizing that the "smartest" kids are usually just the most efficient and hardest workers, the ones paying the most attention, the ones participating a lot in class, the ones who read a lot on their own, etc.

Sort of like a ballerina. All grace and beauty and effortless on-stage for a performance, and all sweat and millstones the rest of the time during the week getting sequences down and getting primed and ready for a dance.

Blisteringly hard work behind the scenes, effortless grace and simplicity on display. This is what the dual sides of success are made of. Most people never achieve blisteringly hard work behind the scenes OR effortless grace and simplicity on display, and that's why most people are never great at the things that they do.

Chase

Ron Taylor's picture

Long Distance Recovery


Hi Chase,

Recently my 3 year long distance relationship came to an end. The girl dumped me because "other guys were asking her out" and i flipped out because she wanted to start dating again. I accepted the fact that she wasn't that happy because she loved me and couldn't bear not being next to me all the time.

I realized that I love her and want her to be happy. So i called her back and told her that it was fine. She was one of my closest friends before the relationship, and both of us don't wanna lose that friendship. But what are some things I can do to take the awkwardness out of the friendship?

Thank You
RT123

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