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Tactics Tuesdays: Don't Tell Her Why Not to Sleep with You

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why not to sleep with you
If she starts trying to convince herself to go with you or sleep with you, should you correct her if she says things about you that aren’t true?

The inspiration for this post came from the exchange Davi shares of a scenario where he was just about to sleep with a girl he’d brought back home... Until he talked her out of it:

Girl: Look, I’ve got to go to work quite early in the morning...

Davi: Well, I’ll take care of it, don’t worry!

Girl: Oh yeah, you can take me with your car when you go to your regular work, right? Then, yeah I can stay.

Davi: I can call you an Uber. But no, I don’t own a car, and it’s just a student job, haha.

Girl: Really? Hmm... oh... mmm... then I think I should go home now.

At which point she left.

I’ve been here. I remember at one point a girl had asked me to swing by her friends’ place so she could pick up her cell phone. Finally, both of us in my car, she agreed to go back to my place with me, and was talking about how she’d get home in the morning. Then I said, kind of thinking out loud, “Oh wait, we still need to get your phone from your friends,” and she said oh yeah, I have to get that.

So, we drove to her friends’ house, there was an after party going on there, she ended up wandering off and making out with some other guy she knew there for a while, while I stood around awkwardly having drinks and trying to act natural and talk with her friends, until at last the girl I’d come with passed out on a couch, and I gave up and went home alone.

Shouldn’t have reminded her about the phone and just had her pick it up in the morning. Whoops.

All I had to do in that scenario – and all Davi had to do here – was keep my mouth shut.

I just couldn’t help myself though. I had to talk her out of sleeping with me.

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Jaja's picture

What if she catches you lying afterwards and claims that she was serious and you "used" her?

Davi Diluna's picture

Hey Jaja,

Usually they'll never openly state their disappointment and tell you that you "used her", because it would mean that she slept with you only for that simple reason which is quite humiliating for her. If that ever happens tell her: "Oh come on you didn't sleep with me only because you thought I have a job don't you? Haha" stay playful so she has an open door to extract herself from this awkward moment and not look like a gold digger/car digger/surfer digger/whatever digger ;)

Davi

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Chase Amante's picture

One additional response option in addition to Davi's, Jaja: the sitcom-esque 'playing dumb' role.

This is where she says, "You made me think you had a good job!"

And you get that look of consternation and say, in a half-serious, half-amused way, "I never said anything about a job! Who the heck said I had a 'good job'? I think you mean you just ASSUMED I had a job!"

Assuming that is the truth, and you never lied or pretended to something that isn't true, often all you need to do here is point out that she is the one who assumed. In the rare event she says, "You knew I thought you had a job!" You just reply with something (again, half playful) like "You seemed so happy though [grin]. I figured I'd just tell you that later on!"

Make it a fun thing for her, so she can laugh at the silliness of the situation, and assuming everything else was good, this will be fine as well.

Chase

Davi Diluna's picture

Hey Chase,

Thank you very much for this article, very well written ! Won't hesitate to share it around 'cause facts accuracy in seduction is a common misconception, taking into account the excellent definition you gave to seduction as being an experience we create.

Wanted to share here few more situations illustrating your speech.

-(1) -The first situation happened only one month and six girls after that evening I told the girl about me not having a car and not having a regular job, I was just there out in a club with a wingwoman, when she left.

So I'm having this conversation that starts with a girl and things are going very well, getting touchy&stuff. She's an exchange student from Spain and asks me if I'm here with friends:
* actual fact: I was by my own as my wingwoman left.
*how she was trying to paint me: the image of a local guy that knows people around, has friends, is not a creep, just out with friends that can give me social proof
*What I answered: yes of course I'm with a group of friends they're just on the other side of the club! (As it was a student party in the town, I ALWAYS know at least 5-6 people in). Quickly stopped a group of people I more or less know to say hi and so she can see that social proof.
=> the interaction went well and we started grinding and kissing (while still maintaining sexual tension up!)
*Wrong move would have just been: nah I was with a friend but she just left.

-(2)- Same night same girl, she now asks me rhetorically if I do live alone. (So you live alone right? ;) )

*actual fact: I don't. I've got a room at my parents house (houses in my city looking like small buildings with few floors) on the last floor that I share with my brother.
*she was trying to paint me: as a guy who has some privacy where she could hook up without worrying that much.
*What I answered: yeah I've got a room for myself where we can just go and relax.
I knew my brother wasn't home so had the whole floor for myself, even if parents downstairs, but just had to make sure we go out in the morning without running into them and plans would have been perfect.
=>she was reassured
*wrong move would have been to tell her: umm actually i share a floor with my brother, but he's not there tonight, oh and parents downstairs but they're sleeping and won't cross them tomorrow don't worry!

-(3)- Same night same girl same interaction, she wanted to know if I can drive her to class the next morning (yes, HERE we go AGAIN)

*actual fact: still don't get a car, but can call her an uber.
*she was trying to paint: me being able to take care of her later so she can just relax and let the man lead and take care of logistics.
*My answer: don't worry you'll be there on time, I'll take care of it.
= >she accepted to follow me back home, called an uber, went to my room, had awesome sex (athletic tanned Spanish girls are something).

*Wrong move: telling her what I told the girl you're mentioning in your article.

-(4)- So here I was out with a friend who's really new to the game and we approach a group of five hot brits visiting Brussels.
Interaction goes really well and we're the day before St Patrick's so they ask us if we're locals and if we know where we could all have fun the day after.
All right even if I'm aware that our utility would go up be depicting us as locals who could provide information/help/company for them; and thus with utility going up, lover role is usually going down. That said, in the context of foreign girls visiting a city far away for few days, it's also one of their fantasy to ride native local dicks.

While talking, one of the girls brings the subject of languages on the table, Belgium having 3 national ones.
To that, my unexperienced friend answered: "yeah we speak a lot here, for example me, I speak Romanian, french, english and a bit dutch!"
Yikes. I thought.
They started thinking that we were Romanian migrants and conversation faded until dying (even though only my friend is HALF Romanian, and always lived here).
My friend told me: who cares about them, they were so close minded, did you see how they lost interest when I said I speak Romanian?

I had hard time explaining him that our actual origins didn't matter. They were seeking for a 2 days local experience, and we were seeking cute brits experience. No matter if he was not 100% local and they weren't aligning with us politically. So yeah any seduction is just an experience where you can play on the facts you chose to display.

-(5)- Last one about technology:

In situations where a girl seems to struggle with her phone or computer I have easy time teasing them with a flirty "alala, women and technology ;D" that creates a bit of dynamic.

In situations where I see the girl is too obsessed by her phone/notifications, I just play the caveman and put rules that no phone allowed when we're together.

What's my actual relation with technology? Well...it depends. And the best thing to do is to make those facts depends to your advantage and not the other way around ;)

Hope it can help illustrate your words,

Yours,

Davi

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These are some fantastic examples, Davi! Cheers for these! Adds a lot to the post.

Many of these are very common scenarios guys run into where they get too logical (like "Do you have your own place?" --> "Let me just tell this girl all the nuanced details of my living arrangements"). So great stuff here.

I lol'ed at the Romanian friend... sounds pretty Romanian, yeah :)

Chase

Magenta's picture

Chase, wanted to see if you would do an article on making her pay during the first dates, and also subsequent dates while in a relationship such as after 3 months and on. I'm dating this girl right now and she is used to guys paying for her most of the time (90%), with traditional mindset, which is good/bad since she is loyal and doesn't have the mindset of wanting to sleep around. Right now it's more like I pay 3-4 times avg $40-50 per dinner, while she pays once averaging $20-30. So I need to get some balance in this aspect, I wanna make that 60-40 from my end or even 40-60 or 50/50. Do you have any suggestions or techniques to make this work? I make decent income but cannot afford to continue to pay for her at that rate while in relationship. I also feel awkward asking her to pay her share, so any technique/lines to ask her such as "do you mind taking care of this one and I'll take care of the next one" or suggest new mindset to not make myself feel awkward asking her cause to pay, cause sometimes I feel less manly asking her to pay since it makes me feel that I'm unable to provide. I'm definitely not just a provider, rather I understand that in a potential LTR relationship with her, I have to play the lover, provider, friend role that women want in a man. So just want know how I can get more balance in making her pay her fair share which she is able to, but I'm having a hard time to get her to do that without coming off as cheap or petty, so it's a delicate balance for sure.

Thanks,
Magenta

Davi Diluna's picture

Hey Magenta,

Could you please tell us for how long you've been dating together please?

In Chase's article about how to start a new relationship you can read how first months of a relationship are important for the rest of it.
A change of attitude after say 3/4 months about you willing to pay less is going to feel like you want to invest less and that the relationship is deflating; and I'm saying that because first month dates should always be as cheap and cost as possible and I see you spending 100$ per date which is in my opinion quite a lot (now it depends where you live and how much you guys make).

Don't hesitate to provide more details :)

Davi

Magenta's picture

A little more background, we have been dating for about 2 months, see each other 2-3 times a week, weekdays/weekends. It's not $100 total for $50 each, its more about $50 total for $25 each. I would say those situations happened about 4-5 times now, meaning I paid meals when we go out to eat, she paid maybe 2-3 times. Plus overall, I feel I'm spending more money either buying groceries cooking for her, etc.... We don't go out to eat every time, maybe avg once a week, the rest we eat at home either my place or hers, or not eat at all just hang out. She is also unemployed at the moment, but owns her own place, so she has income from rental and AirBnb, but from her POV, money is tighter on her end. I don't think she is gold digger but she is spoiled by her parents to pay for her stuff and dote on her while growing up.

So I feel she has a tendency to not offer to pay frequently unless I kinda make a note of it to her while we hang out. I say for now i feel the balance is about 70/30 on my end, but I wanna get to 50/50 as close as possible, but I think her expectation is 90/10 or something like that. So I'm trying to manage it as best I could.

Agree that i don't wanna seem like I'm investing less as we date more, but feel like it's a lot more harder work for me with this girl to get her to pay her fair share, not just in eating out but also in other things. So looking for techniques/situations where I can tell her to pay her fair share while keeping it not a big deal, without going into a serious convo. But if we need to have a talk then, how should guys approach that type of talk.

Thanks,
Magenta

PS. overall relationship is pretty good, I get sex whenever I want, she is good in other parts such as personality/attitude, but it's just this one stickler that is bothering me a bit.

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Magenta-

Here's a simple solution that does not entail you directly asking her to pay more.

All you do instead is tell her, "We've got to scale back how much we're eating out, it's killing my bank account."

Then eat out less, or find less expensive restaurants to frequent. Either she will step up when you say this, "Should I be paying more often?" at which point, you can offer to accept ("I mean, we certainly don't have to, we can always just cook more food at home, but if you don't mind paying more that could be one good solution, for sure"). Or she won't, and you cut back a bit.

Also, you can think a little outside the box. She doesn't need to pay all the same places as you do. e.g., you can ask her to bring food when she comes to visit you (she will of course have to pay for that food to bring it; also, the act of her planning to get food for you, going out of her way to pick it up at the grocer or drive through, etc., is additional investment), and even out the investment scales between you and her.

Chase

Slay's picture

Chase,

Would you write an article about honor and also how to raise your son?

Slay

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Slay-

Honor I think I could manage.

Raising a son I would not want to do until I already had adult sons and could say, "I have raised a son from infancy to adulthood, and so on and so forth." Ideally sons who had already achieved some degree of success in their lives, so you'll have some idea whether Chase is teaching you how to raise a son who succeeds vs. Chase is telling you how to raise a drug addled dropout who lives in a cardboard box!

Until then, it'd be speculation on my part; just like you wouldn't want dating advice from a guy who hasn't slept with any girls yet, even if he's got some ideas about how to do it and has studied a lot of the top guys. Plenty of book learning, but little practical experience. I might say some good things about raising sons, but probably also a lot of boneheaded things that are based on assumptions about what would work rather than actually having tried those things out and seen how well they do work (or don't).

So, I will beg off the raising children one, and direct you instead to seek out wisdom from men who have already raised successful children; their advice will be more practical, more on-target, and more field-tested than anything I could offer at present!

But honor, I will for sure add to the topics queue.

Chase

Slay's picture

Thank you Chase I'm looking forward to the article.

Would you swallow your pride to live? Or die with it? How important is your life to you, Chase? Would you give yours for someone else? Would you sacrifice your honor for your life?

Hope you don't mind me picking your brain here a bit. Strong, morally grounded men are hard to come by ;). Especially since I can tell you're very technical and have a lot of self-imposed guidelines as to what you'd do in scenarios of panic.

One last thing. How do you go about determining what you'd do in certain scenarios. What drives you? Self interest? Interest of the group? Your code?

Slay

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Sure, don't mind you asking. I don't get to talk about this stuff so much (somewhat tangential to the website's content), but it's a major interest of mine! So I'll give some details.

I've swallowed my pride at various times. I think this is necessary to not be a fight-robot. e.g., all someone has to do to get you to do what they want you to do is push the right pride button, and off you go like a mindless automaton, shouting and swinging.

Whether I would swallow my pride to live is highly context dependent. It's also easy to speculate but hard to know for sure. e.g., imagine a scenario where some guy has you in a scenario you cannot get out of and he says, "Do X super humiliating thing and I let you live, or don't do it and you die," very easy to be a keyboard jockey and say, "Of course I would die rather than do X super humiliating thing!" but history tells us most men, particularly if they are isolated / feel like no one is watching, will comply. It's only when men have their comrades around, think there is social accountability, etc., that they are most willing to die for pride.

Anyway, I'm headstrong, high defiance/rebellion, and have been close to death several times and had it not worry me / have already made my peace with death. So my strong-ish feeling is that if it was something that stronlgy went against what I believe, my reaction would be, "Just go ahead and shoot me." But then impossible to know for sure. Until I've actually gone through it I wouldn't trust my pre-judgment of what I'd do in a situation I haven't experienced.

Life purpose is also a big factor here. For me and my belief set, life is a brief test on a greater spiritual journey. But I have friends for whom life is all there is, and when they die, that's it. The light goes out. Before life, there was nothing; after life, there is nothing. These friends fear death to great extent; they fear growing old, as growing old is the march toward death; they would, I believe, go to great lengths to preserve their own lives, and would be dangerous people to rely on in deadly situations because of this. I'd much prefer to go to war with men who believe in some kind of greater post-life existence than men who think this life is all they've got and they must preserve their lives at all costs, including any costs to anyone else.

A mission I have had is to remove as many possible pride-impugning things as possible from my life. Things that would lead to loss of pride for other men I can do in ways that don't affect, or even amplify my pride. This is something most defiant/rebellious types do. e.g., Tyler Durden in Fight Club does things like get beat up or live in a condemned building and it doesn't impact his pride, even though for some men these things would be pride killers. Instead, he is freer, because no one can hold that over him. When I find something I have too much pride attached to, often I will look for ways to de-pride myself around that thing. Pride is an excellent way for others to gain leverage over you. If someone can figure out what you pride yourself on, he has figured out what to squeeze you on to make you do what he wants. Pride isn't totally escapable (e.g., we need to preserve a certain amount of pride in our public appearances to not be socially ostracized or totally discredited by various attackers and critics), but you can limit its power to a degree.

One last thing. How do you go about determining what you'd do in certain scenarios. What drives you? Self interest? Interest of the group? Your code?

So, this is not exactly what you asked, but you mentioned guidelines on panic scenarios. I have since my teenaged years followed the rule from Hagakure, the Book of the Samurai, to "think always of death, so that you are prepared to meet it." I do this with not just death but all kinds of bad / dangerous / risky / inconvenient situations.

By mentally rehearsing how you'd deal with them, you give yourself an automatic behavior pattern to use when/if you encounter them. Most I will never encounter, but I've had various situations where some crazy thing happens, I react, and everyone goes, "Whoa! That was amazing how you stopped that person from falling!" or whatever it was. But when it happened, it was just me running an autopilot response I'd rehearsed at an earlier time. Additionally, any time I'm in dangerous situations, I start planning and rehearsing pretty much subconsciously. Usually this isn't needed, but when it is I've often already calculcated the risks and can make sure they're avoided by everyone I'm responsible for as best as possible.

On "what drives you", I think this is formed in either early childhood, or is genetic. Everyone likes to attribute their actions to some kind of rational, logical deduction, but I haven't seen any evidence of that. So far as I can tell, people do what genes or early childhood environment (probably both), plus to a far lesser extent later life experiences and environment, program them to do.

In my case, I do not care about 'code', and only care about self-interest insofar as my self-interest serves my aims. I am perfectly content to take superficially worse positions if I think it's in the long-term best interest of whatever I'm pursuing. e.g., I had a very nice, very comfortable job, in very comfortable California, and left that to go traveling the world and an uncertain future as an entrepreneur. I had some people who thought I was taking off for a wonderful life of great wealth running my own businesses and tremendous freedom, but at the time I was constantly on the verge of panic thinking I was throwing my entire career away, would fail at business, would never get hired in my industry again, and was going to end up back working in a tire shop for near-minimum wage at the end of it. However, I embarked on that path because I felt like I had to do it, and there was never any question about me doing it. I had to do it to know if I could do it. If I tried and failed, then I would have to figure out another path later.

My drivers seem to be, from what I can tell, expanding personal power by expanding skills, abilities, knowledge bases, and resources, while removing weaknesses (like insufficient financial power, inability to get desired women, inability to communicate effectively, etc.), to be used in ways that I judge serve mankind. This website is an example; the goal is to have more enlightened men who can more easily meet the women they want, give those women incredible experiences and relationships, and elevate their minds to things like advancing their societies, instead of obsessing over how they're going to get that girl in the next cubicle (don't need to obsess, because they've already got her; or they're already dating two girls way hotter than her). At the same time, this site also affords me the ability to hone a variety of different skills it'd be hard for me to hone otherwise; so it both serves the overall goal outright, while also allowing me to build skill sets I can use in the future in bigger ways to serve the overall goal.

Those last two paragraphs are probably of limited value, since they're about me exclusively, and probably not trainable. They're also, I feel, incomplete; but there is a certain veil I don't feel I'm able to look beyond, to identify why the things that drive me do, and what it is I ultimately hope to do with them. I have ideas, goals, visions, etc., of course; but the question is always, "Why these particular objects?" and that question I cannot answer. Perhaps a genes / early childhood thing; it seems to just be hardwired in.

Chase

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