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You need to go exploring and find places that have enough women.

If there is legitimately nowhere good in your city for day game (and there are some cities that are just terrible for day game... population size and population density being two of the biggest signs whether a city will be good for this or not), you may have to focus on social circle, nightlife, and/or online instead.

Or move.

White girls, if I was you I'd approach, unless you had some reason not to. Just keep an open mind as you do, if you're not usually approaching them, that "I will probably have to modify my game with them, so I need to talk to them and see how they respond to me and change and adapt as I go to get things in place that work with them."

I've never done much mass approaching with day game. My mass approaches always were (and still are, when on occasion I do them) at night. Day game's always been targeted for me. My friends who're primarily day gamers though, they tend to figure out a series of shopping streets, malls, or university campuses that have a lot of foot traffic, and rotate among them. One good shopping street can produce 10 approaches in an hour or two if you're doing 5-10 minutes per approach + scouting. I've known guys who will go out to a crowded street and just approach women non-stop for hours until they find a girl they can take home with them.

Hard to know for sure if a girl's with her boyfriend. There are some body language signs (proximity, hand-holding, etc.) but they aren't always surefire. Some people aren't into PDA and they might be dating and just not touchy. Or she might be all over him, but he's her gay friend or her 'like a brother' male friend and they just have a close relationship. No surefire tells. It's one of those things you can make a prediction about, then go talk to them and find out, and gradually improve your predictive abilities that way. But you never get to 100%.

is it weird or not for an older dude to be cold approaching women during day game as a rookie?

It's always a little weird for a nervous, inexperienced guy to approach women.

You just have to push through it. There's a barrier there where guys are/feel/look weird on the one side, and are/feel/look cool and normal on the other. Most guys are too afraid of being, feeling, and looking weird to stand on the weird side of the barrier and push through to reach the other side. Hence why you see so few men actively day gaming.

so what would be the untraditional life that's fun for a guy like me that wants to be single and not fold to societal pressure? 

I know becoming an entrepreneur is one of them, but in the mean time with a 9-5 while I work on my business. what would be the example of a fun non traditional life that doesn't follow that boring traditional one?

There's this whole movement of people called 'childfree' where they're childless by choice. It's kind of a fascinating subculture... just from thinking about how non-reproductive behavior evolves in the first place and can become culturally prominent enough, even for brief windows before it dies out again, is fascinating. But they have this saying that "Being childree in your 30s is the same as being in your 20s, but with money." They also say that as they get older (40s, 50s, etc.) life basically stays the same as your 20s, except you have more money. So that is one option... if you get money handled.

If not, and you're stuck in the grind, I don't know. It seems like kind of a bleak thing for me, the 40-something guy, unmarried, no kids, all his friends are married off and no longer going out, he doesn't have any money so he can't live a carefree life, going to a deadend job everyday... that's depressing. The guys with families I think can justify it as "I've got to do this to provide for my family." The guys without them though, seems like those are the guys who go in and shoot up their offices one day. If that was me I'd just get out of that situation. Book a one-way ticket somewhere exotic and get a job making piña coladas or showing groups of tourists around. If you can't make a lot of money, that doesn't mean you have to stay put in a deadend job/area. There are always other options.

Of course, if you can do well (either as an entrepreneur, or climbing the ranks at some company, or some other way), then sure, you can live well pretty much anywhere.

(also, 'get my game good enough and the job won't matter' isn't really an option. Shagging random women is a neat hobby, but it isn't enough to compensate for general malaise elsewhere in your life. If you learn to paint, you can paint beautiful pictures, that you can then hang on your wall or put in a museum. If you learn to shag, unless you're knocking girls up or getting married or something, it's really sort of an endless procession of women, and pretty much every guy tires of it. Almost every guy I knwo who was formerly prolific has either wifed some girl up and started a family or has turned to hookers or has gone through a long period of celibacy. Guys just tire of the game after a while. The big reason you don't see 50-something PUAs is not because older men are unattractive, but because almost every guy passes a point where he's like "Yeah, I could go shag yet another new chick, but it's just not very exciting for me at this point anymore." You need something more than this to sustain yourself down the line in life)

Black guys being against cold approach... yes, you know, black men in general are much more attuned to how they look socially than pretty much any other race. They also generally (especially among African Americans) have a very present time-orientation. White guys, Asians, Indians, Hispanics, etc., even the more middle class Africans from Africa, will do things that make them look a little silly if they think it will get them somewhere in the future. African Americans tend to be thinking in the now, and tend not to want to do something that might make them look bad. Cat-calls at random women are fine, because that's acceptable among their buddies and if a girl acts disgusted it's funny. Main reason cat-calls are fine is because the guy is not really putting himself out there. If he has to go cold approach, he is putting himself out there, which means the woman may judge him inadequate and reject him. He isn't thinking "Well, if I go through enough of these rejections, I can learn how to get women much more consistently, at which point I will look a lot better than my buddies whenever we go out." Instead he is thinking "Naw man, I don't want to do that and look bad. No."

As for girls not wanting to get on the phone, I suggest just leaving them voicemails sometimes. Even if they are weird about it and reply to your voicemail with texts, you are still letting them hear your voice, which is very important.

There was a guy on the boards recently who recommended WhatsApp voice messages. That might be another alternative.

Platonic text conversations with women are not something I recommend. For one, they turn you into the girl's texting buddy. For another, they take up loads and loads of time, and... ain't nobody got time for that.