Greek god body type: health and practical considerations (Was: Are looks really



Greek god body type: health and practical considerations (Was: Are looks really

Postby Space » Sat Aug 25, 2018 3:09 am

Chase wrote:SZ, look at all the mainstream bodybuilding programs out there. [...] And despite the level of mainstream awareness, how many guys are actually swole? Some areas have more jacked guys than others... but most guys still aren't all that ripped.


Big Daddy wrote:If you're benching 225+ lb for sets of 5, you're already "hot" for 99% of girls, probably excluding those who are into bodybuilding. It's a nice surprise when she touches your body or you take off your shirt.


mindful wrote:I went from scrawny 125 lbs to about 150 lbs right now (30 yrs old). I feel a lot better because I know I'm not "skinny" anymore and have a more fit look. My goal is to be 155-160.


First, I've heard most body building advice is broscience. I've recently learned more about the Greek god look by clicking a link from the personal site of Darius Belejevas.

Second, I'm not American by I've read an article by Roosh that in the US you have to have this Greek god caricature type of male body to get laid properly. Well, mostly. Given body building is broscience, I'm not super convinced that this Greek god type of body has any health, or that matter, any practical benefits at all.

Health. Let's consider your target aren't American girls, you have relative choice in life already with a more or less average physique you are fine with, and your goal is to stay healthy. Maybe you prefer activities like like hiking and yoga (I'm more convinced these have actual health benefits than working on your a Greek god physique).

Practical benefits. I'm not convinced these are the most healthy exercise forms (for men), but let's say you are more into activities like cycling, running, or tennis. Heck, the Tour de France is one of the most popular live sport event (in Europe). Tennis is also followed by millions. One of the most popular sports is running for some reason, but I'm not convinced it's the healthiest one (for men). But I'm sure as hell sporting the Greek god look isn't the most practical physique if you want to be good at these activities. Or for the matter if you want to enjoy hiking or yoga. My point is, professional hikers, yogis, cyclists, runners, and tennis players all must sport sporty bodies by definition, but sporting this Greek god look would surely be detrimental to their sporting careers.

Bottom line: are there any good reasons to sport the Greek god look if your target isn't American girls? What are sane alternatives for health and practical reasons? Speaking of non-American girls, by anecdotal evidence, some are clearly into more (saner looking) leaner, thinner guys than Greek god types. (I don't read the science papers like Chase do, but for that matter, science itself isn't an exact science either, so to speak.)

PS. I just realized we have subforums here in Lifestyle like Health, Wealth, Travel, and Fashion and while 99% of posts in the main Lifestyle category can fit into one these, almost no one post in these sub-categories. So for the practical reason for anyone to find and read my post, I've posted this in the main category as well.
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Postby Space » Tue Aug 28, 2018 9:13 am

Ops! For clarification. The thread Are looks really so unimportant? got me thinking. In this direction.
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Postby Motiv » Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:10 am

Space,

I became a weight lifting enthusiast four years ago (inspired by Hector’s comparing himself to Jason Mamoa!), and a former GC writer even composer an article related to my transformation. I believe the thread I started, “My Body Transformation,” is still viewable in the Lifestyle category.

The short of it: muscles help. You don’t have to be ultra huge or on steroids, but the visible sign of a shapely, masculine body goes a long way to making your interactions with women easier and smoother.

Lastly, the act of pushing your body past physical limitations boosts your testosterone and builds emotional fortitude. Two things women detect inately. Trust me, it’s worth taking up weight lifting.

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Postby Eliasmusic » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:05 pm

Completely second everything Motiv says... It won't get you laid, but if you already have game, then being big will 1- make it a whole lot fucking easier, and 2- make high quality girls easier.

Plz trust me here, as someone who has been both quite small, and quite large. I am 6 foot (182cm,) and naturally weigh about 68- 70kg. I’m fucking skinny. I can not put on any fat, however I can work my weigh up to 85 kg of muscle in about 6-12 months. To do this, I work out almost daily, and eat about 16000 kilojoules a day, or 4000 calories. I need a huge caloric surplus, (double the RDI) otherwise nothing happens. Typical Ectomorph… If I go out partying and forget to take snacks, I have literally lost 1-2kg muscle mass over the course of the weekend.

Aaaanyway, basically the difference in chicks response to me is huge. Let me outline 4 scenarios in ascending order of desirability: 1- Bad game/little man = getting laid very occasionally by chance. 2- Bad game/big man = Girls show immediate interest, but my total lay count does not rise dramatically from option 1. 3- Good game/little man = I have to put the effort in and approach and be charming and emotionally open etc, but I do fairly well. 4- Good Game/big man = It's fucking so easy it makes me sad... Literally, girls will come up and start touching my arms in clubs, and if I was trying to be celibate I would legit have a difficult time of it. It's just a big time saver... YES, you can get 9s and 10s while not being one yourself, but why not become as attractive as possible, it's easier for you, and there is a serious lack of attractive guys in the world... the women need you! Plus... It's not the end of the world, but girls usually want to be sexually dominated and fucked by an animalistic man... it really fucking helps if you're a lot bigger than them. Read this if you haven't already, it's genius
https://www.sdc.com/swingers-blogs/engl ... 50769.html

Re weightlifting-
You do not want to limit yourself to one kind of exercise, you will end up looking like a gym junkie if you only gym… You will end up stringy and Golem like if you only boulder (not quite but hey.) For the perfect physique, I would do mostly weights, but then mix it with a little bouldering, gymnastics/calisthenics, and some running or cycling to boot. Even within the gym, do NOT get caught doing the same amount of sets and reps for too long… mix it up with a big fucking 10x10 day.

Secondly, be very aware of your body type.

Like I said, I eat about 16000 kilojoules a day, or 4000 calories.
My brother on the other hand can cain 10kg of fat in about a week, and needs to reduce to 4000 kj a day (1000 calories) or half the RDI to lose any fat.

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Postby Space » Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:17 pm

Thanks for the tips, guys! Where I'm in life now, my perspective is that I just aim to be as healthy as possible. That's it.

I know nutrition and exercise are topics with so many contradictory advice. And broscience. But my sense is that being big does not equal being as healthy as possible. It may have a positive correlation (or even a negative correlation if you do something wrong), I don't know.

Let's say I aim for a healthy body and lifestyle and at worst, in the end I have to work twice as hard to get the nice ladies as the big men of this community. And you know what? That seems like a perfectly fine compromise to me between emotional and physical health and being a Super Seducer(TM) if that's a healthy lifestyle at all. As if the big guys in the community who also know their stuff in and out get the fruits of their work only half as easily as me? That's not a big deal. It means I'm still infinitely better than the average guy who isn't into pickup at all. Does my perspective on life makes sense to you?


The SDC.com site seems like an interesting one, thanks for letting me know! But for a full disclosure it would be interesting to know if the above was written by a girl from an Anglo-American or former Soviet country, or from anywhere in the rest of the world? Just so you know these things are supposed to be calibrated to your geographic location. I know I'm a minority non-American here. So someone smart had to assume I must me a troll, because what else can I be if I simply have a different perspective in life than him? That's logic.

What's the exercise regimen you can recommend to go healthy, not necessarily to go big?
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Postby Space » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:20 pm

Eliasmusic wrote:Completely second everything Motiv says... It won't get you laid, but if you already have game, then being big will 1- make it a whole lot fucking easier, and 2- make high quality girls easier.

Oh! It's worth making clear how do you define a high quality girl. You know, your mileage may vary.
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Postby Motiv » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:43 pm

Space,

I’m a simple, intuitive guy when it comes down to getting the results I want.

V-taper. That’s the bottom line for me. Get your body fat low enough to have a visible six pack, and focus on building your shoulders, arms, chest, and back. Of course, don’t skip legs, but I do not obsess over legs. Men naturally excel over women in upper body strength, and women generally respond very positively to a muscled male torso.

I am not that big. 16ish inch arms on a good day. 15%ish body fat (cutting back down to 12%).

As for health, that’s not really my field. Just follow the obvious: don’t drink too much, get lots of veggies, and keep your cardio up to par in one from or another.

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Postby Eliasmusic » Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:27 am

In terms of health, yea make sure you are getting enough vegetables.
It pays to take a multivitamin to supplement.
Avoid sugar like the plague.
Meditate.
Cycle on and off Tribulus Terrestris and Horny Goat Weed for a Testosterone and libido boost.
Avoid TOO much cardio, you want a mix of heavy weights (anaerobic) and cardio (aerobic)

In terms of high quality women, I mean women who think they're high quality and who generally are chased by a lot of guys.
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