I've decided to make a topic in which I'll post updates on my interaction with a girl that I'm extremely attracted to. I've posted a few questions in different boards, but I think that the whole story in one topic would be better and less spammy. I will treat it as an "open journal" for me and you guys to analyse.
I would love to hear your opinions and get some advices on what I should have done better or if I even did something good. Maybe someone is in similar situation and find this reports helpful.
About a girl:
26yo. She has an abusive boyfriend and a small kid with him. She constantly says to everyone that she wants to dump him and she's extremely unhappy in this relationship. She's with him only because of the kid. She still f*cks him though, because he's a provider.
The beginning of our interaction:
We've met at work. I treated her simply as a co-worker. It was her who initiated contact apart from work. After our shifts (we work 2 times a week together) she gives me a lift home. In return I've decided to be her trainer at the gym for free. After gym we were going to my place for a coffee and breakfast. She started to talk jokingly about sexual things. I honestly didn't care about doing anything with her, but I enjoyed joking and spending time with her. After about a month - her boyfriend and her child went on holiday. She invited me to her place and she initiated physical contact and kissing. We've slept together a few times after that (her idea and initiation). On the last day of her bf holiday she told me that she can't do this any more. I said that's OK and I understand (I was upset but I didn't show it), but we shouldn't meet anywhere else other than at work.
My fuckups beginning:
I became infatuated with her. I didn't stick to my statement and invited her for breakfast 2 weeks after. When I didn't get what I expected I became frustrated and this time I actually showed it to her. I've became a dick to her at work and ignored her, even though she wanted to meet me, when her bf went away for a few days again. I wanted her to pursue me harder - because of my lack of knowledge and false beliefs that when you're a dick to girls - they''ll throw themselves at you. (MORON)
The beginning of my change:
I found Coach Corey Wayne on youtube. I started reading his book and watching his videos. My oneitis went on holiday for a month, so it was a good time for me to change myself. I began following the famous no-contact rule. When she came back I was quite well prepared. I worked on myself, graduated a few courses and became content with my life even without her. When we were meeting at work, I didn't mention anything about us getting together until she asked for it. She wanted to continue our morning meetings. Following Corey's rules - I told her that I can only invite her for a dinner. She asked "how would it be like?" I told her "fun" and if she wants to do that - to let me know. 2 times when we were working together she has 'put herself into my orbit' as Corey Wayne says, so I asked her about her evenings schedule. She didn't agree (some sort of not yet) - so I didn't ask any more and backed away completely. I wasn't a dick to her this time, I treated her politely and just went about my business. She found out that I'm meeting other attractive woman (she saw a few of them calling me constantly on WhatsApp during our shift). I told her that most of them are my customer - I'm doing massages - and one of them was my short term playgirl, that I'm not meeting any more.
Her starting slightly chasing me again:
For a couple of weeks she started touching, complementing, flirting with me and constantly looking at me. I reciprocated slightly (least effort) but still didn't ask her to meet me. She also told me:
The day of the meeting - bitter-sweet feelings:
She called 30 Min before scheduled time that she's coming and asked if I still remember about it. I said that when I make an appointment - I keep it.
I told her that she can leave her bra on and I'll unhook it while she's on a bed. And that's what happened. I've made her a massage while building sexual tension (sexual talk, intimate touching etc.) but no sex happened. After a massage she wanted to talk for a while while drinking a coffee. She was asking me a lot about other girls (she wanted to know details about sex with them), made some complements towards me and told me that I'm a great guy. Then she asked if I'm a relationship type of guy, and I said - I don't think so. (I think it was a test to see if I will be trying to force a relationship with her).
Now to the bittersweet part of interactions - she mentioned her boyfriend a few times, and it wasn't negative - rather neutral type of informative comments. I'm not sure if it was some sort of test to see how I'd react or the actual red flag - that she want's me only as a friend. She also mentioned her female cousin that I might be interested in (another test?)
She also mentioned that next time I'll make her a massage (she mentioned next meeting - good sign?) - she will pay for it.
When she was leaving she gave me her lips to kiss. I kissed her. After that she kissed me two more times - each time longer. It seemed like she didn't want to leave after that she was leaving and coming back constantly - she said "tell me another story", "what is the name of the girl that you had a STR with" and general short small talk. I told her that I don't kiss and tell and kept sort of mysterious answers. She was also constantly looking at me with those "milky eyes". I kept smirking and looking her deeply in the eyes. I would made a more aggressive move - but she really had to leave soon, so sex couldn't happen anyway - she had to pick up her kid from nursery. That's why I'd rather meet her when she had more time.
After a few minutes she called that she's feeling bad that I did something for her with nothing in return. I told her "oh stop it, it wasn't that bad" She said "thank you, take care sweetheart" I replied "bye honey".
Questions after this day:
1. Friendzoned to the max? - Am I being friendzoned to the point that kiss in the lips doesn't mean anything?
2. Should I agree to the morning massage next time or just say that I'll only meet her when she has free evening for a dinner? Last time we slept together her boyfriend wasn't in town, so she was more comfortable obviously. It's unlikely that sex could happen in the morning when her time is limited.
3. Should I "waste my time" on non-sex meetings (but still some sexual escalation) while waiting for an opportunity for sex to happen? Sort of keeping her in "possibly friends with benefits" zone?
I am meeting different women, but this one is the best I've ever met and I actually enjoy spending time with her. I'm focused on leading to sex with her (I'm not pushing though) because that would be the best evidence that she actually is interested romantically and the friends with benefits relationship is possible. Simply being friends won't work for me (even though she is a great person to spend time with) because she's to hot and I wont her too much. Platonic relationship would be a lie to myself and to her.
I would love to hear your opinions and get some advices on what I should have done better or if I even did something good. Maybe someone is in similar situation and find this reports helpful.
About a girl:
26yo. She has an abusive boyfriend and a small kid with him. She constantly says to everyone that she wants to dump him and she's extremely unhappy in this relationship. She's with him only because of the kid. She still f*cks him though, because he's a provider.
The beginning of our interaction:
We've met at work. I treated her simply as a co-worker. It was her who initiated contact apart from work. After our shifts (we work 2 times a week together) she gives me a lift home. In return I've decided to be her trainer at the gym for free. After gym we were going to my place for a coffee and breakfast. She started to talk jokingly about sexual things. I honestly didn't care about doing anything with her, but I enjoyed joking and spending time with her. After about a month - her boyfriend and her child went on holiday. She invited me to her place and she initiated physical contact and kissing. We've slept together a few times after that (her idea and initiation). On the last day of her bf holiday she told me that she can't do this any more. I said that's OK and I understand (I was upset but I didn't show it), but we shouldn't meet anywhere else other than at work.
My fuckups beginning:
I became infatuated with her. I didn't stick to my statement and invited her for breakfast 2 weeks after. When I didn't get what I expected I became frustrated and this time I actually showed it to her. I've became a dick to her at work and ignored her, even though she wanted to meet me, when her bf went away for a few days again. I wanted her to pursue me harder - because of my lack of knowledge and false beliefs that when you're a dick to girls - they''ll throw themselves at you. (MORON)
The beginning of my change:
I found Coach Corey Wayne on youtube. I started reading his book and watching his videos. My oneitis went on holiday for a month, so it was a good time for me to change myself. I began following the famous no-contact rule. When she came back I was quite well prepared. I worked on myself, graduated a few courses and became content with my life even without her. When we were meeting at work, I didn't mention anything about us getting together until she asked for it. She wanted to continue our morning meetings. Following Corey's rules - I told her that I can only invite her for a dinner. She asked "how would it be like?" I told her "fun" and if she wants to do that - to let me know. 2 times when we were working together she has 'put herself into my orbit' as Corey Wayne says, so I asked her about her evenings schedule. She didn't agree (some sort of not yet) - so I didn't ask any more and backed away completely. I wasn't a dick to her this time, I treated her politely and just went about my business. She found out that I'm meeting other attractive woman (she saw a few of them calling me constantly on WhatsApp during our shift). I told her that most of them are my customer - I'm doing massages - and one of them was my short term playgirl, that I'm not meeting any more.
Her starting slightly chasing me again:
For a couple of weeks she started touching, complementing, flirting with me and constantly looking at me. I reciprocated slightly (least effort) but still didn't ask her to meet me. She also told me:
Then she wanted to come to my place for me to make her a massage. She said that she doesn't care about the massage itself, but she's curious why I have so many attractive customers. I told her that I need check my schedule. After a week I invited her to do it (I agreed for the morning next week, because that's her only available time when her child is in nursery and bf is working, besides a massage involves physical contact).it's not that I'm in love with you, but I almost said your name while having sex with my bf.
The day of the meeting - bitter-sweet feelings:
She called 30 Min before scheduled time that she's coming and asked if I still remember about it. I said that when I make an appointment - I keep it.
I told her that she can leave her bra on and I'll unhook it while she's on a bed. And that's what happened. I've made her a massage while building sexual tension (sexual talk, intimate touching etc.) but no sex happened. After a massage she wanted to talk for a while while drinking a coffee. She was asking me a lot about other girls (she wanted to know details about sex with them), made some complements towards me and told me that I'm a great guy. Then she asked if I'm a relationship type of guy, and I said - I don't think so. (I think it was a test to see if I will be trying to force a relationship with her).
Now to the bittersweet part of interactions - she mentioned her boyfriend a few times, and it wasn't negative - rather neutral type of informative comments. I'm not sure if it was some sort of test to see how I'd react or the actual red flag - that she want's me only as a friend. She also mentioned her female cousin that I might be interested in (another test?)
She also mentioned that next time I'll make her a massage (she mentioned next meeting - good sign?) - she will pay for it.
When she was leaving she gave me her lips to kiss. I kissed her. After that she kissed me two more times - each time longer. It seemed like she didn't want to leave after that she was leaving and coming back constantly - she said "tell me another story", "what is the name of the girl that you had a STR with" and general short small talk. I told her that I don't kiss and tell and kept sort of mysterious answers. She was also constantly looking at me with those "milky eyes". I kept smirking and looking her deeply in the eyes. I would made a more aggressive move - but she really had to leave soon, so sex couldn't happen anyway - she had to pick up her kid from nursery. That's why I'd rather meet her when she had more time.
After a few minutes she called that she's feeling bad that I did something for her with nothing in return. I told her "oh stop it, it wasn't that bad" She said "thank you, take care sweetheart" I replied "bye honey".
Questions after this day:
1. Friendzoned to the max? - Am I being friendzoned to the point that kiss in the lips doesn't mean anything?
2. Should I agree to the morning massage next time or just say that I'll only meet her when she has free evening for a dinner? Last time we slept together her boyfriend wasn't in town, so she was more comfortable obviously. It's unlikely that sex could happen in the morning when her time is limited.
3. Should I "waste my time" on non-sex meetings (but still some sexual escalation) while waiting for an opportunity for sex to happen? Sort of keeping her in "possibly friends with benefits" zone?
I am meeting different women, but this one is the best I've ever met and I actually enjoy spending time with her. I'm focused on leading to sex with her (I'm not pushing though) because that would be the best evidence that she actually is interested romantically and the friends with benefits relationship is possible. Simply being friends won't work for me (even though she is a great person to spend time with) because she's to hot and I wont her too much. Platonic relationship would be a lie to myself and to her.