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id=\u0022comment-92091\u0022\u003E\u003C\/a\u003E\n\u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment comment-by-anonymous well clearfix\u0022 about=\u0022\/comment\/92091#comment-92091\u0022 typeof=\u0022sioc:Post sioct:Comment\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022user-picture\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cimg typeof=\u0022foaf:Image\u0022 class=\u0022img-responsive\u0022 data-src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/default\/files\/pictures\/circle-guest-85x85.png\u0022 src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/all\/modules\/contrib\/lazyloader\/image_placeholder.gif\u0022 alt=\u0022stefalskqpwo\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 title=\u0022stefalskqpwo\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 \/\u003E\u003Cnoscript\u003E\u003Cimg typeof=\u0022foaf:Image\u0022 class=\u0022img-responsive\u0022 src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/default\/files\/pictures\/circle-guest-85x85.png\u0022 alt=\u0022stefalskqpwo\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 title=\u0022stefalskqpwo\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 \/\u003E\u003C\/noscript\u003E  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\n  \n    \u003Ch3 property=\u0022dc:title\u0022 datatype=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Ca href=\u0022\/comment\/92091#comment-92091\u0022 class=\u0022permalink\u0022 rel=\u0022bookmark\u0022\u003EIf sex were only about\u003C\/a\u003E\u003C\/h3\u003E\n  \n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022submitted\u0022\u003E\n            Posted by \u003Cspan rel=\u0022sioc:has_creator\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022username\u0022 xml:lang=\u0022\u0022 typeof=\u0022sioc:UserAccount\u0022 property=\u0022foaf:name\u0022 datatype=\u0022\u0022\u003Estefalskqpwo (not verified)\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E on Monday, 21 February 2022  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022content\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cspan rel=\u0022sioc:reply_of\u0022 resource=\u0022\/article\/seducing-women-sex-vs-guarding-daughters-sex\u0022 class=\u0022rdf-meta element-hidden\u0022\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field-items\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field-item even\u0022 property=\u0022content:encoded\u0022\u003E\u003Cp\u003EIf sex were only about pleasure and fun with 0 risk of harm or negative consequences (what I virtually thought when I was 12), then it would be hard to construct pseudo-universal\/objective rational-empirical arguments to restrict it -we could go Bonobo or Penguin on sexuality.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EHeck, even sex with animals, children, incest (some fathers are so libertine they \u0026quot;seduce\u0026quot; their own daughters, there was a guy who forced his daugther to bring other men home to have sex with her in front of him, what a fuck up perverse dude), necrophilia, probably all of that would be ok since there would be no risk of harm and all would be just benefit and pleasure to everyone involved in the big orgy, consent or not, alive or death, etc.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EEven if that were the case most people, I think, would feel so much disgust by some of those practices that they will condemn them; However personal disgust is a pretty poor moral argument against something, in my opinion.(for example: I find plant eating extremely disgusting and risky, however I do not condemn it morally, except when you force feed children or dogs with plant based diets or any bitter vegetable, or if you misguide people on purpose since the government use fiat money to buy modern nutritional science and keep the tax slaves payers on a cheap\/abundant starvation diet so they can keep debasing the currency without a hunger inspired political revolt).\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EThe only 3 major empirical risks I see with sexuality are unwanted pregnancies, STDs, and some kind of body\/mental harm (dick too big for chick an you harm her, or for some reason the experience is mentally detrimental to one of the parties involved).\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EModern technology (contraceptives, condoms) reduces some of the risk but the risk is never 0 -and actually, contraceptives that are 99% successful are deceitful, as the 99% success rate is PER EXPOSURE, meaning if a girl has sex 100 times a year, in 3 years she would have had around 3 unwanted pregnancies-, then this leads to abortions, infanticides, child neglect, overpopulation, and other thorny moral derivative consequences that I think are the crux of the \u0026quot;moral\u0026quot;, individual VS societal interests.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EHowever, to be fair, DRIVING causes the same or worse consequences (every year many children -children do not understand how dangerous cars are and they can not consent to be passengers- die in gruesome car crashes) -it involves many risk- and usually people do not discuss enough the morality of driving, owning a car, having children or pets as passengers, etc. but we discuss sexuality a lot. (Maybe it is because we don\u0026#039;t have strong instincts or emotional reactions about something as unnatural as cars, we fear snakes our ancestral enemy but not cars)\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EA conservative in sexual morality will say: only have sex when you want children (hopefully with someone healthy)(this minimizes risk exposure to unwanted consequences). A FATHER TO HIS DAUGHTER.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EA conservative in driving will say: only drive when it is absolutely imperative for your survival\/happiness\/well being and taking all the precautions (as to minimize the moral hazard). MY MOTHER TO ME WHEN I BUY A CAR\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EAnyways, as value is subjective (that is my belief, I am Austrian in Economics) tastes, preferences, values and risk tolerance profiles will vary, so at most we can construct some kind of pseudo-objectivity, agreeing 100% I think would be impossible.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EA last point, it is not a moral duty, if you are meta-aware of your own moral bias serving your self interest, to correct that and think if you can get a better moral position, even if it goes around your \u0026quot;self-interest\u0026quot;? (some may argue that being a moral person is in your long term or \u0026quot;best\u0026quot; self interest, so you may not even be going against your properly understood self interests)\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E      \u003C\/div\u003E\n\n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022pull-right\u0022\u003E\u003Cul class=\u0022links list-inline\u0022\u003E\u003Cli class=\u0022comment-reply first last\u0022\u003E\u003Ca href=\u0022\/comment\/reply\/3713\/92091\u0022\u003Ereply\u003C\/a\u003E\u003C\/li\u003E\n\u003C\/ul\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003Ca id=\u0022comment-92092\u0022\u003E\u003C\/a\u003E\n\u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment comment-by-anonymous well clearfix\u0022 about=\u0022\/comment\/92092#comment-92092\u0022 typeof=\u0022sioc:Post sioct:Comment\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022user-picture\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cimg typeof=\u0022foaf:Image\u0022 class=\u0022img-responsive\u0022 data-src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/default\/files\/pictures\/circle-guest-85x85.png\u0022 src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/all\/modules\/contrib\/lazyloader\/image_placeholder.gif\u0022 alt=\u0022jefferson\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 title=\u0022jefferson\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 \/\u003E\u003Cnoscript\u003E\u003Cimg typeof=\u0022foaf:Image\u0022 class=\u0022img-responsive\u0022 src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/default\/files\/pictures\/circle-guest-85x85.png\u0022 alt=\u0022jefferson\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 title=\u0022jefferson\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 \/\u003E\u003C\/noscript\u003E  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\n  \n    \u003Ch3 property=\u0022dc:title\u0022 datatype=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Ca href=\u0022\/comment\/92092#comment-92092\u0022 class=\u0022permalink\u0022 rel=\u0022bookmark\u0022\u003EAlek\u0026#039;s Sex Talk in SAC\u003C\/a\u003E\u003C\/h3\u003E\n  \n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022submitted\u0022\u003E\n            Posted by \u003Cspan rel=\u0022sioc:has_creator\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022username\u0022 xml:lang=\u0022\u0022 typeof=\u0022sioc:UserAccount\u0022 property=\u0022foaf:name\u0022 datatype=\u0022\u0022\u003Ejefferson (not verified)\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E on Monday, 21 February 2022  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022content\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cspan rel=\u0022sioc:reply_of\u0022 resource=\u0022\/article\/seducing-women-sex-vs-guarding-daughters-sex\u0022 class=\u0022rdf-meta element-hidden\u0022\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field-items\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field-item even\u0022 property=\u0022content:encoded\u0022\u003E\u003Cp\u003EHeyya Chase,\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EHope you\u0026#039;re well man!\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003ERecently got One Date (actually a friend of mine offered it to me since I helped him out for something and I ain\u0026#039;t got a method for online payment yet) \u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EI wanted to ask whether Alek\u0026#039;s sex talk gambits could be used for the Arousal part of SAC.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EI\u0026#039;ve been experimenting with it and I think I\u0026#039;m pulling it off (not mastery level tho)\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EMy last girlfriend (we broke up because she had to go work abroad) gave me crystal clear escalation signs on our first date after I ran The Good Lover gambit by Alek. We \u0026quot;fell into bed\u0026quot; shortly after that.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EIt seems like a more viable option since it\u0026#039;s not practical for me to have the arousal date structure.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E      \u003C\/div\u003E\n\n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022pull-right\u0022\u003E\u003Cul class=\u0022links list-inline\u0022\u003E\u003Cli class=\u0022comment-reply first last\u0022\u003E\u003Ca href=\u0022\/comment\/reply\/3713\/92092\u0022\u003Ereply\u003C\/a\u003E\u003C\/li\u003E\n\u003C\/ul\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003Ca id=\u0022comment-92094\u0022\u003E\u003C\/a\u003E\n\u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment well clearfix\u0022 about=\u0022\/comment\/92094#comment-92094\u0022 typeof=\u0022sioc:Post sioct:Comment\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022user-picture\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Ca href=\u0022\/users\/christovaughan\u0022 title=\u0022View user profile.\u0022\u003E\u003Cimg typeof=\u0022foaf:Image\u0022 class=\u0022img-responsive\u0022 data-src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/default\/files\/pictures\/circle-guest-85x85.png\u0022 src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/all\/modules\/contrib\/lazyloader\/image_placeholder.gif\u0022 alt=\u0022CurriculumProAmore\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 title=\u0022CurriculumProAmore\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 \/\u003E\u003Cnoscript\u003E\u003Cimg typeof=\u0022foaf:Image\u0022 class=\u0022img-responsive\u0022 src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/default\/files\/pictures\/circle-guest-85x85.png\u0022 alt=\u0022CurriculumProAmore\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 title=\u0022CurriculumProAmore\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 \/\u003E\u003C\/noscript\u003E\u003C\/a\u003E  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\n  \n    \u003Ch3 property=\u0022dc:title\u0022 datatype=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Ca href=\u0022\/comment\/92094#comment-92094\u0022 class=\u0022permalink\u0022 rel=\u0022bookmark\u0022\u003EPlus Madonna\/whore\u003C\/a\u003E\u003C\/h3\u003E\n  \n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022submitted\u0022\u003E\n            Posted by \u003Cspan rel=\u0022sioc:has_creator\u0022\u003E\u003Ca href=\u0022\/users\/christovaughan\u0022 title=\u0022View user profile.\u0022 class=\u0022username\u0022 xml:lang=\u0022\u0022 about=\u0022\/users\/christovaughan\u0022 typeof=\u0022sioc:UserAccount\u0022 property=\u0022foaf:name\u0022 datatype=\u0022\u0022\u003ECurriculumProAmore\u003C\/a\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E on Tuesday, 22 February 2022  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022content\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cspan rel=\u0022sioc:reply_of\u0022 resource=\u0022\/article\/seducing-women-sex-vs-guarding-daughters-sex\u0022 class=\u0022rdf-meta element-hidden\u0022\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field-items\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field-item even\u0022 property=\u0022content:encoded\u0022\u003E\u003Cp\u003EVery nice analysis, but I think there is also sometimes the Madonna\/Whore complex rearing its head. I think the same elements are in play except that the seducer, instead of seeing sex as something that is good for women, sees it as inherently degrading for women. Part of the enjoyment, for some men, is that sex in their minds takes something away from women, tarnishes them and lowers their value. These men don\u0026#039;t see themselves as valuable, so they don\u0026#039;t see their sexual interaction with women as a gift. Although, just as malignant narcissists are publicly full of themselves while being self-hating inside, these men may project an image of being very high value while actually feeling low-value and unworthy of the women they want. Sex for these men is not an act of giving, but an attempt bring a woman\u0026#039;s value down to be on par with his or lower. \u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EThe Madonna\/Whore complex is another way to avoid cognitive dissonance--he wants to have sex with women because it is degrading to bad women who seem to have more power or value and than him, so it makes him feel better about himself, but doesn\u0026#039;t want other men to have sex with his daughter because he feels it is inherently degrading to a good woman he loves.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E      \u003C\/div\u003E\n\n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022pull-right\u0022\u003E\u003Cul class=\u0022links list-inline\u0022\u003E\u003Cli class=\u0022comment-reply first last\u0022\u003E\u003Ca href=\u0022\/comment\/reply\/3713\/92094\u0022\u003Ereply\u003C\/a\u003E\u003C\/li\u003E\n\u003C\/ul\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003Ca id=\u0022comment-92120\u0022\u003E\u003C\/a\u003E\n\u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment comment-by-anonymous well clearfix\u0022 about=\u0022\/comment\/92120#comment-92120\u0022 typeof=\u0022sioc:Post sioct:Comment\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022user-picture\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cimg typeof=\u0022foaf:Image\u0022 class=\u0022img-responsive\u0022 data-src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/default\/files\/pictures\/circle-guest-85x85.png\u0022 src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/all\/modules\/contrib\/lazyloader\/image_placeholder.gif\u0022 alt=\u0022grassfedbeef\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 title=\u0022grassfedbeef\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 \/\u003E\u003Cnoscript\u003E\u003Cimg typeof=\u0022foaf:Image\u0022 class=\u0022img-responsive\u0022 src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/default\/files\/pictures\/circle-guest-85x85.png\u0022 alt=\u0022grassfedbeef\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 title=\u0022grassfedbeef\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 \/\u003E\u003C\/noscript\u003E  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\n  \n    \u003Ch3 property=\u0022dc:title\u0022 datatype=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Ca href=\u0022\/comment\/92120#comment-92120\u0022 class=\u0022permalink\u0022 rel=\u0022bookmark\u0022\u003Emore notions\u003C\/a\u003E\u003C\/h3\u003E\n  \n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022submitted\u0022\u003E\n            Posted by \u003Cspan rel=\u0022sioc:has_creator\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022username\u0022 xml:lang=\u0022\u0022 typeof=\u0022sioc:UserAccount\u0022 property=\u0022foaf:name\u0022 datatype=\u0022\u0022\u003Egrassfedbeef (not verified)\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E on Saturday, 5 March 2022  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022content\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cspan rel=\u0022sioc:reply_of\u0022 resource=\u0022\/article\/seducing-women-sex-vs-guarding-daughters-sex\u0022 class=\u0022rdf-meta element-hidden\u0022\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field-items\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field-item even\u0022 property=\u0022content:encoded\u0022\u003E\u003Cp\u003EYou and the other commenters forgot about society as an end in itself- a beautiful healthy integral society. Maybe you included this implicitly but caring about society and civilization or a sub-community is a factor. That said, anybody looking around can see it\u0026#039;s so far gone and it\u0026#039;s a quixotical quest to restrict one\u0026#039;s own sexuality in this era but i can also see oneself genuinely not wanting to damage a recipient of your love, even if you\u0026#039;re amazing, even if you\u0026#039;re the best, because as you said yourself, you sometimes let them down. And maybe because you\u0026#039;re the best, so they don\u0026#039;t become let down by every man in the future, their future husbands (alpha widows). Also if you believe in boomerang karma or religious teachings on the subject. \u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EThat said, these are harder but not impossible sells and I found your article as I find most of them exquisite, masterful, well done and agree with all the essentials, especially the core of it.  \u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EAll morality is self-interest based, unless you\u0026#039;ve been co-opted by others\u0026#039; self interest (a tool, a useful idiot) but if you recognize this and speak plainly about your morality and moral reasoning, it won\u0026#039;t go well. Rather than hypocrisy being a bug (and you explain how your views are not necessarily hypocritical), hypocrisy is a feature. People are often in power, especially political power, not despite being hypocrites, but because they are hypocrites. One must learn to make peace with hypocrisy. But one can still have values that one serves. Ultimately we serve our values. If we don\u0026#039;t like to or don\u0026#039;t want to, maybe they\u0026#039;re not our real values or we should update what we think our values are. \u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EThere\u0026#039;s another layer or level of analysis produced to this by asking the perhaps rhetorical question:\u003Cbr \/\u003E\nHow much and what type of regret is produced by forgoing an opportunity for sex or seduction, in serving one\u0026#039;s values? If the regret is minimal, if \u0026#039;it\u0026#039;s indeed just sex. If it didn\u0026#039;t bear fruit- i.e. produce child, then what\u0026#039;s the loss? Your own ego needs? Or would it have given you a life confidence boost? Would that memory have vamped you and served you as a raft through future dark times, or maybe not at all? \u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EAlso if you get addicted to pleasure and lose game at a later date, or find someone you want to marry but experience the lack of variety since you want to be monogamous, than that could be a side-effect of a libertine lifestyle. Yes I am trying to think of edge cases. These are additions to your article and points, of which I read every word, not arguments against. \u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EAnd shouldn\u0026#039;t a man not care if he gets sex or not - shouldn\u0026#039;t he be non-needy as a virtue in itself, who can hold back, and still experience life, unless and until he wants to form a real relationship, maybe a family with someone? I take the view that the man who can get sex is stronger and better than the man who can\u0026#039;t, AND the man who can go without sex is stronger than the man who can\u0026#039;t. As you see, they\u0026#039;re not mutually exclusive and just because you can pass up sex doesn\u0026#039;t mean you should. It is just something to think about. In human biology and psychology, there are a lot of subtle and recursive forces, that religion and conventional morality tries to abstract this into a general principle -\u0026gt; don\u0026#039;t have sex before marriage: but there could be various reasons for it, even to benefit oneself. \u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EI\u0026quot;ll be the first to say \u0026quot; I don\u0026#039;t know\u0026quot;. I\u0026#039;ll also say \u0026quot;Maybe you do know\u0026quot;. And last I\u0026#039;ll say it\u0026#039;s wise to get good with game or the art of love and seduction, because you do want that power and choice as a man, even if you only chose one nice lady, and exit the game and move on to a new phase. 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