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id=\u0022comment-88630\u0022\u003E\u003C\/a\u003E\n\u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment comment-by-anonymous well clearfix\u0022 about=\u0022\/comment\/88630#comment-88630\u0022 typeof=\u0022sioc:Post sioct:Comment\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022user-picture\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cimg typeof=\u0022foaf:Image\u0022 class=\u0022img-responsive\u0022 data-src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/default\/files\/pictures\/circle-guest-85x85.png\u0022 src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/all\/modules\/contrib\/lazyloader\/image_placeholder.gif\u0022 alt=\u0022Ambiance\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 title=\u0022Ambiance\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 \/\u003E\u003Cnoscript\u003E\u003Cimg typeof=\u0022foaf:Image\u0022 class=\u0022img-responsive\u0022 src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/default\/files\/pictures\/circle-guest-85x85.png\u0022 alt=\u0022Ambiance\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 title=\u0022Ambiance\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 \/\u003E\u003C\/noscript\u003E  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\n  \n    \u003Ch3 property=\u0022dc:title\u0022 datatype=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Ca href=\u0022\/comment\/88630#comment-88630\u0022 class=\u0022permalink\u0022 rel=\u0022bookmark\u0022\u003EI love Kingdom Rush!\u003C\/a\u003E\u003C\/h3\u003E\n  \n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022submitted\u0022\u003E\n            Posted by \u003Cspan rel=\u0022sioc:has_creator\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022username\u0022 xml:lang=\u0022\u0022 typeof=\u0022sioc:UserAccount\u0022 property=\u0022foaf:name\u0022 datatype=\u0022\u0022\u003EAmbiance (not verified)\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E on Friday, 12 July 2019  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022content\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cspan rel=\u0022sioc:reply_of\u0022 resource=\u0022\/content\/13-positives-long-term-relationships-and-6-drawbacks\u0022 class=\u0022rdf-meta element-hidden\u0022\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field-items\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field-item even\u0022 property=\u0022content:encoded\u0022\u003E\u003Cp\u003EI love Kingdom Rush! Seriously some of the best tower defense out there. The new Vengeance game might be their best yet, which is truly\u00a0saying something.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EOther than that, great article. Very applicable to my own life at the moment.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E      \u003C\/div\u003E\n\n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022pull-right\u0022\u003E\u003Cul class=\u0022links list-inline\u0022\u003E\u003Cli class=\u0022comment-reply first last\u0022\u003E\u003Ca href=\u0022\/comment\/reply\/3027\/88630\u0022\u003Ereply\u003C\/a\u003E\u003C\/li\u003E\n\u003C\/ul\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003Ca id=\u0022comment-88648\u0022\u003E\u003C\/a\u003E\n\u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment comment-by-node-author well clearfix\u0022 about=\u0022\/comment\/88648#comment-88648\u0022 typeof=\u0022sioc:Post sioct:Comment\u0022\u003E\n  \u003Cimg class=\u0022authortag\u0022 src=\u0022\/sites\/all\/themes\/custom\/girlschase\/images\/comment-author-1.png\u0022 alt=\u0022Author\u0022 width=\u002260px\u0022 height=\u002260px\u0022 \/\u003E    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022user-picture\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Ca href=\u0022\/user\/25092\u0022 title=\u0022View user profile.\u0022\u003E\u003Cimg typeof=\u0022foaf:Image\u0022 class=\u0022img-responsive\u0022 data-src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/default\/files\/pictures\/picture-25092-1532806862.png\u0022 src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/all\/modules\/contrib\/lazyloader\/image_placeholder.gif\u0022 alt=\u0022Tony Depp\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 title=\u0022Tony Depp\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 \/\u003E\u003Cnoscript\u003E\u003Cimg typeof=\u0022foaf:Image\u0022 class=\u0022img-responsive\u0022 src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/default\/files\/pictures\/picture-25092-1532806862.png\u0022 alt=\u0022Tony Depp\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 title=\u0022Tony Depp\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 \/\u003E\u003C\/noscript\u003E\u003C\/a\u003E  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\n  \n    \u003Ch3 property=\u0022dc:title\u0022 datatype=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Ca href=\u0022\/comment\/88648#comment-88648\u0022 class=\u0022permalink\u0022 rel=\u0022bookmark\u0022\u003EKingdom Rush\u003C\/a\u003E\u003C\/h3\u003E\n  \n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022submitted\u0022\u003E\n            Posted by \u003Cspan rel=\u0022sioc:has_creator\u0022\u003E\u003Ca href=\u0022\/user\/25092\u0022 title=\u0022View user profile.\u0022 class=\u0022username\u0022 xml:lang=\u0022\u0022 about=\u0022\/user\/25092\u0022 typeof=\u0022sioc:UserAccount\u0022 property=\u0022foaf:name\u0022 datatype=\u0022\u0022\u003ETony Depp\u003C\/a\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E on Thursday, 18 July 2019  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022content\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cspan rel=\u0022sioc:reply_of\u0022 resource=\u0022\/content\/13-positives-long-term-relationships-and-6-drawbacks\u0022 class=\u0022rdf-meta element-hidden\u0022\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field-items\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field-item even\u0022 property=\u0022content:encoded\u0022\u003E\u003Cp\u003EIt was on my mind becaue Chase mentioned it too. It\u0027s one of the best games ever for passing the time. That or Plants vs Zombies.\u00a0\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E      \u003C\/div\u003E\n\n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022pull-right\u0022\u003E\u003Cul class=\u0022links list-inline\u0022\u003E\u003Cli class=\u0022comment-reply first last\u0022\u003E\u003Ca href=\u0022\/comment\/reply\/3027\/88648\u0022\u003Ereply\u003C\/a\u003E\u003C\/li\u003E\n\u003C\/ul\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003Ca id=\u0022comment-90000\u0022\u003E\u003C\/a\u003E\n\u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment comment-by-anonymous well clearfix\u0022 about=\u0022\/comment\/90000#comment-90000\u0022 typeof=\u0022sioc:Post sioct:Comment\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022user-picture\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cimg typeof=\u0022foaf:Image\u0022 class=\u0022img-responsive\u0022 data-src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/default\/files\/pictures\/circle-guest-85x85.png\u0022 src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/all\/modules\/contrib\/lazyloader\/image_placeholder.gif\u0022 alt=\u0022KnitterQueen\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 title=\u0022KnitterQueen\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 \/\u003E\u003Cnoscript\u003E\u003Cimg typeof=\u0022foaf:Image\u0022 class=\u0022img-responsive\u0022 src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/default\/files\/pictures\/circle-guest-85x85.png\u0022 alt=\u0022KnitterQueen\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 title=\u0022KnitterQueen\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 \/\u003E\u003C\/noscript\u003E  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\n  \n    \u003Ch3 property=\u0022dc:title\u0022 datatype=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Ca href=\u0022\/comment\/90000#comment-90000\u0022 class=\u0022permalink\u0022 rel=\u0022bookmark\u0022\u003EWhat are the perks of a LTR for women? \u003C\/a\u003E\u003C\/h3\u003E\n  \n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022submitted\u0022\u003E\n            Posted by \u003Cspan rel=\u0022sioc:has_creator\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022username\u0022 xml:lang=\u0022\u0022 typeof=\u0022sioc:UserAccount\u0022 property=\u0022foaf:name\u0022 datatype=\u0022\u0022\u003EKnitterQueen (not verified)\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E on Thursday, 20 August 2020  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022content\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cspan rel=\u0022sioc:reply_of\u0022 resource=\u0022\/content\/13-positives-long-term-relationships-and-6-drawbacks\u0022 class=\u0022rdf-meta element-hidden\u0022\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field-items\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field-item even\u0022 property=\u0022content:encoded\u0022\u003E\u003Cp\u003EWoman here. Middle aged psychologist.  I love,  love reading the blogs here on GC, because the advice here is so incredible non-PC, yet most times so incredible spot-on. Even the bind spots on GC are interesting. \u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003ESo I wonder about your take on what the benefits of a new LTR  are for single women over 45. I mean, it is obvious that if a woman wants children,  all parties are better off in a good LTR.   But most women over 45 that come on the dating market ( so, mostly divorced)  are economically independent,  can take care of existing children, and do not want any more children.\u003Cbr \/\u003E\nCompanionship, intimacy, love, guidance, shared experience, emotional support, she can get from ( girl)friends and family. She usually has invested deeply in these. You could say that by 45,  after being single a while, her relationship with family and friends is her primary one.\u003Cbr \/\u003E\nFor sex, she needs a man and will probably prefer a LTR, that is true. But many women have, by 40 sort of given up on sex. Cuddling is easy to get, and orgasms too, for any woman who reads her Cosmo :)  \u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EEconomic support, that is a tough one. Many women earn as much ( or as little) as guys.  Both woman and man have little to gain in becoming economically dependent on each other for a relationship that they both now from experience, won\u0027t last. By then, it is realistic to assume a relationship may last only 2 to 7 years.  If i were a man, I would not want to marry. But most women don\u0027t want that either. They know they will invest more then they get out of it. \u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EMoving in together,  to save cost on housing, is only a net positive for the woman if the man moves in with her. If she has to move in with him, over some distance, that  means giving up on her job, her home and her social support network.  That can mean a great loss of assets for the woman, as most women usually have invested more energy in their home and social support network then the guys have - guys invest more in their employability. \u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003ELiving with a guy has a lot of drawbacks and dangers for women, anyone can formulate these for herself. The biggest one, in my opinion, is the gender gap in housework and emotional work,  confirmed by study after study. \u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EWhat is my point, you may ask?   I am not taking the time to write this to complain about guys. That would be improductive and stupid, especially here on GC.  :) No, I hope I am addressing a blind spot in the topics on GC, and that I can get you guys interested to adress it. I would be very interested in your thoughts. \u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EMany readers here,  I suppose, are interested in women over 40. Or they will be, at some later point in their dating life.  For those readers, it might be beneficial to ask themselves what they have to offer to their female counterparts. How they can convince them that they have to offer more then they cost her.\u003Cbr \/\u003E\nBecause for the women over 50 , the advantages of a LTR with a regular guy their age are not that clear.\u003Cbr \/\u003E\nData from the Dutch bureau of statistics backs me up here.  Fully HALF of the Dutch women over 50 are no longer interested in a steady relationship \u003Ca href=\u0022https:\/\/www.cbs.nl\/nl-nl\/nieuws\/2015\/07\/relatie-hoeft-niet-meer-voor-helft-50-plus-vrouwen\u0022\u003Ehttps:\/\/www.cbs.nl\/nl-nl\/nieuws\/2015\/07\/relatie-hoeft-niet-meer-voor-hel...\u003C\/a\u003E. That means that he dating pool for guys dating this age group there half as small as it could be. \u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EAnd it also means that guys who DO have a good answer to the objections of dating for these women, have an enormous advantage. \u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003E(Obviously the really attractive guys don\u0027t have this problem, and neither do the men who stay married or who compete for women still interested in having children. And the complaining of \u0022where are all the good men\/women\u0022 is just magazine filler.  But When it comes to regular middle aged Joe\u0027s... I did not want to spend too much time trying to wrangle the US census data,  but my hunch is that more men over 50 are looking for a LTR then there are women looking for the same.  \u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EAnd if that is true, then there is a market to teach those men over 50 how they can get a woman over 50 to be interested in relationships again!\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E      \u003C\/div\u003E\n\n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022pull-right\u0022\u003E\u003Cul class=\u0022links list-inline\u0022\u003E\u003Cli class=\u0022comment-reply first last\u0022\u003E\u003Ca href=\u0022\/comment\/reply\/3027\/90000\u0022\u003Ereply\u003C\/a\u003E\u003C\/li\u003E\n\u003C\/ul\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\n\n\u003Cdiv class=\u0022indented\u0022\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022comment-90002\u0022\u003E\u003C\/a\u003E\n\u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment comment-by-anonymous well clearfix\u0022 about=\u0022\/comment\/90002#comment-90002\u0022 typeof=\u0022sioc:Post sioct:Comment\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022user-picture\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cimg typeof=\u0022foaf:Image\u0022 class=\u0022img-responsive\u0022 data-src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/default\/files\/pictures\/circle-guest-85x85.png\u0022 src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/all\/modules\/contrib\/lazyloader\/image_placeholder.gif\u0022 alt=\u0022KnitterQueen\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 title=\u0022KnitterQueen\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 \/\u003E\u003Cnoscript\u003E\u003Cimg typeof=\u0022foaf:Image\u0022 class=\u0022img-responsive\u0022 src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/default\/files\/pictures\/circle-guest-85x85.png\u0022 alt=\u0022KnitterQueen\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 title=\u0022KnitterQueen\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 \/\u003E\u003C\/noscript\u003E  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\n  \n    \u003Ch3 property=\u0022dc:title\u0022 datatype=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Ca href=\u0022\/comment\/90002#comment-90002\u0022 class=\u0022permalink\u0022 rel=\u0022bookmark\u0022\u003Esome data for the over 65 group\u003C\/a\u003E\u003C\/h3\u003E\n  \n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022submitted\u0022\u003E\n            Posted by \u003Cspan rel=\u0022sioc:has_creator\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022username\u0022 xml:lang=\u0022\u0022 typeof=\u0022sioc:UserAccount\u0022 property=\u0022foaf:name\u0022 datatype=\u0022\u0022\u003EKnitterQueen (not verified)\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E on Thursday, 20 August 2020  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022content\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cspan rel=\u0022sioc:reply_of\u0022 resource=\u0022\/content\/13-positives-long-term-relationships-and-6-drawbacks\u0022 class=\u0022rdf-meta element-hidden\u0022\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E\u003Cspan rel=\u0022sioc:reply_of\u0022 resource=\u0022\/comment\/90000#comment-90000\u0022 class=\u0022rdf-meta element-hidden\u0022\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field-items\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field-item even\u0022 property=\u0022content:encoded\u0022\u003E\u003Cp\u003EUpthread I mentioned that after a certain age, women become less interested in living together then men are. And that may very well mean that the relationship peters out, as well. I found a few scientific articles that spot the same trend and try to offer explanations. But no solutions!\u003Cbr \/\u003E\n\u003Ca href=\u0022https:\/\/www.theglobeandmail.com\/life\/relationships\/article-women-older-than-65-dont-want-to-live-with-their-partners\/\u0022\u003Ehttps:\/\/www.theglobeandmail.com\/life\/relationships\/article-women-older-t...\u003C\/a\u003E  \u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EThe article describes women over 65, so usually women who are retired. In short, their reasons not to want to live together is because they want to enjoy their freedom. \u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EI suspect that women in the last stage of their career, 45 tot 65,  are less plentiful  on dating sites perhaps because they are afraid a relationship with men will cost them time - hours of their day that they feel they have to spend on work, and their network. \u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EAnd yet, men may be forgiven to think that older women are indeed looking to date - I think, because of the women who still want to become mothers, and are very active on the dating market right up untill 40-ish. Do the data show a sharp drop off of women interested in relationships after that point? I don\u0027t know if that is true or just a cautionary tale that people love to tell each other.  \u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EArticle after article lists that there are more women then men over 50 - and demographically, that is true. But  if half of those women opt out of dating for a live-in LTR, while men do seek that, then those men have a problem. This article says that about 30 percent of men over 65 \u0022crash and burn\u0022 and basically give up on love and life.  \u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EOn the other hand, there are the loud complaints of women over 60 in magazines that there are \u0022no good men left\u0022. I suspect that their complaint may be read as;  \u0022If a man has to offer what I want, is as good looking and succesful and well rounded as a person as I am, then he... usually looks to date younger women, and I am left to date men that are substandard to me,  in which case, I \u0027d rather opt out\u0022 . \u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003ESo.. Chase and Tony,  what are the kind of fundamentals a guy over 50 should develop, apart from the fundamentals you already list?  Where should he meet the women he is interested in and how can he seduce them out of their  relational and sexual \u0022sleep\u0022 ?  What kind of techniques work different on older women?\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E      \u003C\/div\u003E\n\n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022pull-right\u0022\u003E\u003Cul class=\u0022links list-inline\u0022\u003E\u003Cli class=\u0022comment-reply first last\u0022\u003E\u003Ca href=\u0022\/comment\/reply\/3027\/90002\u0022\u003Ereply\u003C\/a\u003E\u003C\/li\u003E\n\u003C\/ul\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003Ca id=\u0022comment-90022\u0022\u003E\u003C\/a\u003E\n\u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment comment-by-anonymous well clearfix\u0022 about=\u0022\/comment\/90022#comment-90022\u0022 typeof=\u0022sioc:Post sioct:Comment\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022user-picture\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cimg typeof=\u0022foaf:Image\u0022 class=\u0022img-responsive\u0022 data-src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/default\/files\/pictures\/circle-guest-85x85.png\u0022 src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/all\/modules\/contrib\/lazyloader\/image_placeholder.gif\u0022 alt=\u0022T\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 title=\u0022T\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 \/\u003E\u003Cnoscript\u003E\u003Cimg typeof=\u0022foaf:Image\u0022 class=\u0022img-responsive\u0022 src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/default\/files\/pictures\/circle-guest-85x85.png\u0022 alt=\u0022T\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 title=\u0022T\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 \/\u003E\u003C\/noscript\u003E  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\n  \n    \u003Ch3 property=\u0022dc:title\u0022 datatype=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Ca href=\u0022\/comment\/90022#comment-90022\u0022 class=\u0022permalink\u0022 rel=\u0022bookmark\u0022\u003EPerks of LTR.....?\u003C\/a\u003E\u003C\/h3\u003E\n  \n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022submitted\u0022\u003E\n            Posted by \u003Cspan rel=\u0022sioc:has_creator\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022username\u0022 xml:lang=\u0022\u0022 typeof=\u0022sioc:UserAccount\u0022 property=\u0022foaf:name\u0022 datatype=\u0022\u0022\u003ET (not verified)\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E on Tuesday, 25 August 2020  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022content\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cspan rel=\u0022sioc:reply_of\u0022 resource=\u0022\/content\/13-positives-long-term-relationships-and-6-drawbacks\u0022 class=\u0022rdf-meta element-hidden\u0022\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E\u003Cspan rel=\u0022sioc:reply_of\u0022 resource=\u0022\/comment\/90000#comment-90000\u0022 class=\u0022rdf-meta element-hidden\u0022\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field-items\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field-item even\u0022 property=\u0022content:encoded\u0022\u003E\u003Cp\u003EHi,\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EExcerpt: \u0022For those readers, it might be beneficial to ask themselves what they have to offer to their female counterparts. How they can convince them that they have to offer more then they cost her.\u0022\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EHow exactly is that looking like? What do you want to set against what?\u003Cbr \/\u003E\n(Apart from the fact that for each woman the expectations of a relationship are different).\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EBut the most funny\/questionable is that:\u003Cbr \/\u003E\nExcerpt: \u0022Because for the women over 50 , the advantages of a LTR with a regular guy their age are not that clear.\u0022\u003Cbr \/\u003E\nI don\u0027t know how it was meant by you.\u003Cbr \/\u003E\nBut I can tell you how it seems to me (as you certainly know everybody sees what he\/she wants to see :-)  ):\u003Cbr \/\u003E\n\u0022I am a woman with good career, clever and still good looking and now it is in your resposibility to show me that you are able to hold a candle to me.\u0022\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EAnd because you read GC you know that this pushes men into the nice guy\/simp\/woman on pedestal corner.\u003Cbr \/\u003E\nAnd because you read GC you also know that one big part of this site is dedicated to help men to avoid exactly this.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EBut apart from that, if a 50 year old  woman doesn\u0027t know what she wants from a relationship with a man for herself then nobody knows and nobody can tell her and shouldn\u0027t because me as a mature man I want a mature woman who knows what she wants and I don\u0027t care if she has more money, a better job, career whatever. If chemistry is there i\u0027ts my experience that she don\u0027t care neither.\u003Cbr \/\u003E\nAnd if chemistry is not there, well no big deal - there are a lot of other attractive women out there.\u003Cbr \/\u003E\nAnd because you read GC you know what it is: the much acclaimed abundance mentality. \u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003ET.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E      \u003C\/div\u003E\n\n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022pull-right\u0022\u003E\u003Cul class=\u0022links list-inline\u0022\u003E\u003Cli class=\u0022comment-reply first last\u0022\u003E\u003Ca href=\u0022\/comment\/reply\/3027\/90022\u0022\u003Ereply\u003C\/a\u003E\u003C\/li\u003E\n\u003C\/ul\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022comment-90003\u0022\u003E\u003C\/a\u003E\n\u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment comment-by-anonymous well clearfix\u0022 about=\u0022\/comment\/90003#comment-90003\u0022 typeof=\u0022sioc:Post sioct:Comment\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022user-picture\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cimg typeof=\u0022foaf:Image\u0022 class=\u0022img-responsive\u0022 data-src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/default\/files\/pictures\/circle-guest-85x85.png\u0022 src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/all\/modules\/contrib\/lazyloader\/image_placeholder.gif\u0022 alt=\u0022KnitterQueen\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 title=\u0022KnitterQueen\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 \/\u003E\u003Cnoscript\u003E\u003Cimg typeof=\u0022foaf:Image\u0022 class=\u0022img-responsive\u0022 src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/default\/files\/pictures\/circle-guest-85x85.png\u0022 alt=\u0022KnitterQueen\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 title=\u0022KnitterQueen\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 \/\u003E\u003C\/noscript\u003E  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\n  \n    \u003Ch3 property=\u0022dc:title\u0022 datatype=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Ca href=\u0022\/comment\/90003#comment-90003\u0022 class=\u0022permalink\u0022 rel=\u0022bookmark\u0022\u003Esome more thoughts\u003C\/a\u003E\u003C\/h3\u003E\n  \n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022submitted\u0022\u003E\n            Posted by \u003Cspan rel=\u0022sioc:has_creator\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022username\u0022 xml:lang=\u0022\u0022 typeof=\u0022sioc:UserAccount\u0022 property=\u0022foaf:name\u0022 datatype=\u0022\u0022\u003EKnitterQueen (not verified)\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E on Thursday, 20 August 2020  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022content\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cspan rel=\u0022sioc:reply_of\u0022 resource=\u0022\/content\/13-positives-long-term-relationships-and-6-drawbacks\u0022 class=\u0022rdf-meta element-hidden\u0022\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field-items\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field-item even\u0022 property=\u0022content:encoded\u0022\u003E\u003Cp\u003EIf I think a little more on the subject,  this is the key term: care. To seduce women over 50, a man has to imply that he would like to be cared for by his chosen female, but does not NEED it. And that he will offer manly care in return. \u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EMany women, after their first youth, are caregivers first and foremost. They care for their children, their aging parents,  stuff at work. And often they slip up and start caring for their husband, not in a sexy way, but by mothering him and bossing him around.  This is a bad thing for all involved. It is also, sadly very common. The more stressed out a woman is, usually because she perceives her partner to be of insufficient help,  the more she slips into the stress response of \u0022tend en befriend\u0022 which is the female version of \u0022freeze, flight or fight\u0022. \u003Ca href=\u0022https:\/\/www.psychologytoday.com\/us\/articles\/200009\/tend-and-befriend\u0022\u003Ehttps:\/\/www.psychologytoday.com\/us\/articles\/200009\/tend-and-befriend\u003C\/a\u003E. Thus increasing this spiral, and the men losing leadership and the relationship deteriorating.  \u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EYet, many older women feel that care and tending is the best thing they have to offer. Their equivalent of attractiveness in younger women.  And they do want to offer up their care - but to people they choose.  After their network has been cared for enough, they might bestow their care on stray cats or young gay refugees rather then on single older ordinary men. \u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003ESo, what should be the seducing gambit of ordinary older men to older women?  I don\u0027t know, but I can guess. I suspect he has to ask for care that is very easy to give for her - maybe a meal.  And he has to make sure she knows he is not looking to extract more care then he will give in return.  Care she needs-  usually tech and strength stuff.  It\u0027s almost a clichee that the guy will offer to \u0022hang some shelves\u0022 for her, or the modern variant, set up her wifi for her.\u003Cbr \/\u003E\nIt won\u0027t hurt if he tells the woman she is beautiful and sexy - unlike younger girls, she probably hasn\u0027t been told she is sexy in years.  He might even have to put a lot of effort into convincing her he really feels that way. \u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003ESo, those have been my scattered thoughts on the subject. I would be very interested to read what you have to say about it, and I think that the part of your readers who are regular ( not exceptional) older guys wanting to approach and seduce women over 50, might benefit, too.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E      \u003C\/div\u003E\n\n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022pull-right\u0022\u003E\u003Cul class=\u0022links list-inline\u0022\u003E\u003Cli class=\u0022comment-reply first last\u0022\u003E\u003Ca href=\u0022\/comment\/reply\/3027\/90003\u0022\u003Ereply\u003C\/a\u003E\u003C\/li\u003E\n\u003C\/ul\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003Ca id=\u0022comment-90004\u0022\u003E\u003C\/a\u003E\n\u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment well clearfix\u0022 about=\u0022\/comment\/90004#comment-90004\u0022 typeof=\u0022sioc:Post sioct:Comment\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022user-picture\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Ca href=\u0022\/user\/29688\u0022 title=\u0022View user profile.\u0022\u003E\u003Cimg typeof=\u0022foaf:Image\u0022 class=\u0022img-responsive\u0022 data-src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/default\/files\/pictures\/picture-29688-1595037030.jpg\u0022 src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/all\/modules\/contrib\/lazyloader\/image_placeholder.gif\u0022 alt=\u0022militarybrat51\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 title=\u0022militarybrat51\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 \/\u003E\u003Cnoscript\u003E\u003Cimg typeof=\u0022foaf:Image\u0022 class=\u0022img-responsive\u0022 src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/default\/files\/pictures\/picture-29688-1595037030.jpg\u0022 alt=\u0022militarybrat51\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 title=\u0022militarybrat51\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 \/\u003E\u003C\/noscript\u003E\u003C\/a\u003E  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\n  \n    \u003Ch3 property=\u0022dc:title\u0022 datatype=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Ca href=\u0022\/comment\/90004#comment-90004\u0022 class=\u0022permalink\u0022 rel=\u0022bookmark\u0022\u003EOld Silverback Here\u003C\/a\u003E\u003C\/h3\u003E\n  \n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022submitted\u0022\u003E\n            Posted by \u003Cspan rel=\u0022sioc:has_creator\u0022\u003E\u003Ca href=\u0022\/user\/29688\u0022 title=\u0022View user profile.\u0022 class=\u0022username\u0022 xml:lang=\u0022\u0022 about=\u0022\/user\/29688\u0022 typeof=\u0022sioc:UserAccount\u0022 property=\u0022foaf:name\u0022 datatype=\u0022\u0022\u003Emilitarybrat51\u003C\/a\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E on Thursday, 20 August 2020  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022content\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cspan rel=\u0022sioc:reply_of\u0022 resource=\u0022\/content\/13-positives-long-term-relationships-and-6-drawbacks\u0022 class=\u0022rdf-meta element-hidden\u0022\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field-items\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field-item even\u0022 property=\u0022content:encoded\u0022\u003E\u003Cp\u003EI\u0027m 60 and date women over 50 it ain\u0027t easy for sure. Little background I\u0027m a SIGMA male bag is always packed I make my own way in life. I take care of myself and do not NEED anything from anyone. Cohabitation is fine marriage is out been there done that. I will not be ancored down again. I will never submit to anyone. I keep my weight under control and I am active.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EHere are some of the things I have encountered.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EWomen not putting the past into the dust bowl of history they are still mad at the guys that left them. I have to hear all about it on meet and greets. They vent to a guy and waste his time and think it is ok to do so.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EThey want you to be the guy next door\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EThey want control over you. Here is a repetitive line I hear a lot \u0022How is this going to work for the relationship I want\u0022 When asked what do you want you get silence. When asked more importantly what don\u0027t you want the silence is profound.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EThey seem to think it is ok to waste your time don\u0027t let them as my time left in this life is short.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EHere is a brief field report from last weekend where we did a meet and greet.\u003Cbr \/\u003E\nWe meet up at her beach about noon we go grab a bite to eat. Share pics at the table conversation flows server had to ask 3 times are we ready to order. We finally order and eat everything seems great. We walk back to the boardwalk and we walk and talk good eye contact when we stop and talk. My attention was focused on her we start walking again I offer her my arm. She took it in a firm way like she wanted it I\u0027m sporting her down the boards. All of a sudden she pulls away and says this is hard. I don\u0027t react to this and keep walking as we walk she keeps bumping into me like she is being pulled into me. She said she was sorry I said not a big deal you can bump into me anytime. Conversation is still flowing things seem to be ok with me.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EWell she wanted to see my truck ok we walk to it sit inside. It\u0027s an Envoy SLT loaded she was worried about getting it wet. I told her it\u0027s been wet before got a towel so she could dry her feet. This is where shit went bad she started unloading on me about her x. Being a kind man I listened to her and agreed that her x was a fraud that\u0027s on him not you. Then it got worse I had to here about her first love a player that turned into a cross dresser who would not answer her calls. She gets a text thank goodness my opportunity to end this very nicely on a good note. I told her look we have spent 4 hours talking that was quick. I\u0027m sure your hit squad is wondering if she is ok time to get you home. I walked her to her car thanked her for her time got a good close hug from her. Told her to text me if she wanted go out and do what ever she said ok. She got what she wanted a man to dump her shit on. Me I got to go play on the strip with 21 yr olds and had a great time. All in all it was worth the 3 hr.trip just to explore her beach the night was epic.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EHere is what I don\u0027t understand How can someone live in a big beautiful sandbox and refuse to play in it cause you ain\u0027t that fuckin old.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E      \u003C\/div\u003E\n\n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022pull-right\u0022\u003E\u003Cul class=\u0022links list-inline\u0022\u003E\u003Cli class=\u0022comment-reply first last\u0022\u003E\u003Ca href=\u0022\/comment\/reply\/3027\/90004\u0022\u003Ereply\u003C\/a\u003E\u003C\/li\u003E\n\u003C\/ul\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003Ca id=\u0022comment-90006\u0022\u003E\u003C\/a\u003E\n\u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment comment-by-anonymous well clearfix\u0022 about=\u0022\/comment\/90006#comment-90006\u0022 typeof=\u0022sioc:Post sioct:Comment\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022user-picture\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cimg typeof=\u0022foaf:Image\u0022 class=\u0022img-responsive\u0022 data-src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/default\/files\/pictures\/circle-guest-85x85.png\u0022 src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/all\/modules\/contrib\/lazyloader\/image_placeholder.gif\u0022 alt=\u0022KnitterQueen\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 title=\u0022KnitterQueen\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 \/\u003E\u003Cnoscript\u003E\u003Cimg typeof=\u0022foaf:Image\u0022 class=\u0022img-responsive\u0022 src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/default\/files\/pictures\/circle-guest-85x85.png\u0022 alt=\u0022KnitterQueen\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 title=\u0022KnitterQueen\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 \/\u003E\u003C\/noscript\u003E  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\n  \n    \u003Ch3 property=\u0022dc:title\u0022 datatype=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Ca href=\u0022\/comment\/90006#comment-90006\u0022 class=\u0022permalink\u0022 rel=\u0022bookmark\u0022\u003EMilitarybrat, that sounds\u003C\/a\u003E\u003C\/h3\u003E\n  \n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022submitted\u0022\u003E\n            Posted by \u003Cspan rel=\u0022sioc:has_creator\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022username\u0022 xml:lang=\u0022\u0022 typeof=\u0022sioc:UserAccount\u0022 property=\u0022foaf:name\u0022 datatype=\u0022\u0022\u003EKnitterQueen (not verified)\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E on Friday, 21 August 2020  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022content\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cspan rel=\u0022sioc:reply_of\u0022 resource=\u0022\/content\/13-positives-long-term-relationships-and-6-drawbacks\u0022 class=\u0022rdf-meta element-hidden\u0022\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field-items\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field-item even\u0022 property=\u0022content:encoded\u0022\u003E\u003Cp\u003EMilitarybrat, that sounds awful. You seem to be in need of some good scripts, scripts that stop her dumping on you and that get her in a positive mood. I think she would have preferred that, as well. I\u2019m not sure, is there an article on GC about breaking a woman\u2019s frame if she is stuck in the mode of \u201cwe\u2019re playing psychologist to each other and each of us in turn gets to tell sad victim stories about our past\u201d?\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E      \u003C\/div\u003E\n\n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022pull-right\u0022\u003E\u003Cul class=\u0022links list-inline\u0022\u003E\u003Cli class=\u0022comment-reply first last\u0022\u003E\u003Ca href=\u0022\/comment\/reply\/3027\/90006\u0022\u003Ereply\u003C\/a\u003E\u003C\/li\u003E\n\u003C\/ul\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003Ca id=\u0022comment-90027\u0022\u003E\u003C\/a\u003E\n\u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment comment-by-anonymous well clearfix\u0022 about=\u0022\/comment\/90027#comment-90027\u0022 typeof=\u0022sioc:Post sioct:Comment\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022user-picture\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cimg typeof=\u0022foaf:Image\u0022 class=\u0022img-responsive\u0022 data-src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/default\/files\/pictures\/circle-guest-85x85.png\u0022 src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/all\/modules\/contrib\/lazyloader\/image_placeholder.gif\u0022 alt=\u0022KnitterQueen\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 title=\u0022KnitterQueen\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 \/\u003E\u003Cnoscript\u003E\u003Cimg typeof=\u0022foaf:Image\u0022 class=\u0022img-responsive\u0022 src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/default\/files\/pictures\/circle-guest-85x85.png\u0022 alt=\u0022KnitterQueen\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 title=\u0022KnitterQueen\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 \/\u003E\u003C\/noscript\u003E  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\n  \n    \u003Ch3 property=\u0022dc:title\u0022 datatype=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Ca href=\u0022\/comment\/90027#comment-90027\u0022 class=\u0022permalink\u0022 rel=\u0022bookmark\u0022\u003EStatistics..\u003C\/a\u003E\u003C\/h3\u003E\n  \n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022submitted\u0022\u003E\n            Posted by \u003Cspan rel=\u0022sioc:has_creator\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022username\u0022 xml:lang=\u0022\u0022 typeof=\u0022sioc:UserAccount\u0022 property=\u0022foaf:name\u0022 datatype=\u0022\u0022\u003EKnitterQueen (not verified)\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E on Wednesday, 26 August 2020  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022content\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cspan rel=\u0022sioc:reply_of\u0022 resource=\u0022\/content\/13-positives-long-term-relationships-and-6-drawbacks\u0022 class=\u0022rdf-meta element-hidden\u0022\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field-items\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field-item even\u0022 property=\u0022content:encoded\u0022\u003E\u003Cp\u003EDear T,  my point is not that those older women say: \u201cshow me what you got to woo me, boyo\u201d. In that case, all your remarks would apply. My point is that fully half of women over 50 opt out of relationships ENTIRELY. While only a third of men seem to do so. For moving in together, the (surveyed) stats are even more skewed. Apparently, relationships with men cost women over 50 more then they are worth, to them. I can think of a few of those costs, like having to care for a guy with a shorter life ecpectancy; or losing your home or widow\u2019s pension if moving in. Those costs can probably not be reduced easily. But how can they be offset?\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E      \u003C\/div\u003E\n\n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022pull-right\u0022\u003E\u003Cul class=\u0022links list-inline\u0022\u003E\u003Cli class=\u0022comment-reply first last\u0022\u003E\u003Ca href=\u0022\/comment\/reply\/3027\/90027\u0022\u003Ereply\u003C\/a\u003E\u003C\/li\u003E\n\u003C\/ul\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\n\n\u003Cdiv class=\u0022indented\u0022\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022comment-90032\u0022\u003E\u003C\/a\u003E\n\u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment comment-by-anonymous well clearfix\u0022 about=\u0022\/comment\/90032#comment-90032\u0022 typeof=\u0022sioc:Post sioct:Comment\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022user-picture\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cimg typeof=\u0022foaf:Image\u0022 class=\u0022img-responsive\u0022 data-src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/default\/files\/pictures\/circle-guest-85x85.png\u0022 src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/all\/modules\/contrib\/lazyloader\/image_placeholder.gif\u0022 alt=\u0022T\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 title=\u0022T\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 \/\u003E\u003Cnoscript\u003E\u003Cimg typeof=\u0022foaf:Image\u0022 class=\u0022img-responsive\u0022 src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/default\/files\/pictures\/circle-guest-85x85.png\u0022 alt=\u0022T\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 title=\u0022T\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 \/\u003E\u003C\/noscript\u003E  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\n  \n    \u003Ch3 property=\u0022dc:title\u0022 datatype=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Ca href=\u0022\/comment\/90032#comment-90032\u0022 class=\u0022permalink\u0022 rel=\u0022bookmark\u0022\u003ERe Stats.....\u003C\/a\u003E\u003C\/h3\u003E\n  \n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022submitted\u0022\u003E\n            Posted by \u003Cspan rel=\u0022sioc:has_creator\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022username\u0022 xml:lang=\u0022\u0022 typeof=\u0022sioc:UserAccount\u0022 property=\u0022foaf:name\u0022 datatype=\u0022\u0022\u003ET (not verified)\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E on Thursday, 27 August 2020  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022content\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cspan rel=\u0022sioc:reply_of\u0022 resource=\u0022\/content\/13-positives-long-term-relationships-and-6-drawbacks\u0022 class=\u0022rdf-meta element-hidden\u0022\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E\u003Cspan rel=\u0022sioc:reply_of\u0022 resource=\u0022\/comment\/90027#comment-90027\u0022 class=\u0022rdf-meta element-hidden\u0022\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field-items\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field-item even\u0022 property=\u0022content:encoded\u0022\u003E\u003Cp\u003EOk KnitterQueen,\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003Enormally I don\u0027t answer a second time but this case is too interresting for me :-).\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EYes men have a shorter expectancy of life. That\u0027s simply fact. But that is in our genes and nothing you can change.\u003Cbr \/\u003E\nSo if that is a problem for 50% of these women than you are right. They should opt out. Stay away from older men. Period. But that is something for a man to come in terms with. And my thinking is more to show men how to do that rather then to convince a woman of their fitness what most likely won\u0027t work.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EBut what do you mean by \u0022having to care for a guy\u0022? Normally men between 50 and 65 (lets take this age group) have often good jobs but even if not: in most cases at least enough money to care for themselves (at least here where I live). If you mean that men become more often a nursing case because of a heart attack or stroke you are also right. But also here: that is nothing you can change (you can minimize the chance by a healthy life). Again for women: opt out and stay away and\/or look for younger men.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EConcernig the widows pension you are also right. Apart from that you don\u0027t have to moving in and how many of the 50 and above women are widows?  But thats a matter of law. And also nothing a man can change. Ok, yes thats a point to reflect as a woman. But I have never heard that someone loses her home if moving in at least not here where I live.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003ESo my the second excerpt is answered. But I am still bothered by \u0022\u0022For those readers, it might be beneficial to ask themselves what they have to offer to their female counterparts. How they can convince them that they have to offer more then they cost her.\u0022\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EIf all the above is true there is in my opinion the only one way to come along with that and \u0022convince\u0022 a woman is  a contract with a lot of \u0022ifs\u0022. But here we are again dangerous close to the nice guy\/...\/...\/ corner.\u003Cbr \/\u003E\n(Yes it would be cool to hear the opinion of Chase or one of his guys here).\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EIn the end I stick to my guns: If chemistry is there i\u0027ts my experience that she doesn\u0027t care  and both will find a way. And if not, well perhaps we have to accept that there is no solution for this gap (at least in most cases).\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003ET.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E      \u003C\/div\u003E\n\n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022pull-right\u0022\u003E\u003Cul class=\u0022links list-inline\u0022\u003E\u003Cli class=\u0022comment-reply first last\u0022\u003E\u003Ca href=\u0022\/comment\/reply\/3027\/90032\u0022\u003Ereply\u003C\/a\u003E\u003C\/li\u003E\n\u003C\/ul\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022comment-90028\u0022\u003E\u003C\/a\u003E\n\u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment well clearfix\u0022 about=\u0022\/comment\/90028#comment-90028\u0022 typeof=\u0022sioc:Post sioct:Comment\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022user-picture\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Ca href=\u0022\/user\/29688\u0022 title=\u0022View user profile.\u0022\u003E\u003Cimg typeof=\u0022foaf:Image\u0022 class=\u0022img-responsive\u0022 data-src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/default\/files\/pictures\/picture-29688-1595037030.jpg\u0022 src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/all\/modules\/contrib\/lazyloader\/image_placeholder.gif\u0022 alt=\u0022militarybrat51\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 title=\u0022militarybrat51\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 \/\u003E\u003Cnoscript\u003E\u003Cimg typeof=\u0022foaf:Image\u0022 class=\u0022img-responsive\u0022 src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/default\/files\/pictures\/picture-29688-1595037030.jpg\u0022 alt=\u0022militarybrat51\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 title=\u0022militarybrat51\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 \/\u003E\u003C\/noscript\u003E\u003C\/a\u003E  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\n  \n    \u003Ch3 property=\u0022dc:title\u0022 datatype=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Ca href=\u0022\/comment\/90028#comment-90028\u0022 class=\u0022permalink\u0022 rel=\u0022bookmark\u0022\u003EKnitterQueen It\u0026#039;s normal\u003C\/a\u003E\u003C\/h3\u003E\n  \n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022submitted\u0022\u003E\n            Posted by \u003Cspan rel=\u0022sioc:has_creator\u0022\u003E\u003Ca href=\u0022\/user\/29688\u0022 title=\u0022View user profile.\u0022 class=\u0022username\u0022 xml:lang=\u0022\u0022 about=\u0022\/user\/29688\u0022 typeof=\u0022sioc:UserAccount\u0022 property=\u0022foaf:name\u0022 datatype=\u0022\u0022\u003Emilitarybrat51\u003C\/a\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E on Wednesday, 26 August 2020  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022content\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cspan rel=\u0022sioc:reply_of\u0022 resource=\u0022\/content\/13-positives-long-term-relationships-and-6-drawbacks\u0022 class=\u0022rdf-meta element-hidden\u0022\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field-items\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field-item even\u0022 property=\u0022content:encoded\u0022\u003E\u003Cp\u003EThis is not the first I have encountered this, it is quite common. I knew it was coming when she dropped my arm and said this is hard. Up until this point she was smiling and quite engaging I thought wow I would like to date her to see where things go. In my experience it is very rare to hit things off the way we did like a matched pair.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003E When she asked to see my truck then got in and sat down in a semi private quiet place. I figured time to move things forward kiss her caress her face get her on a date and seduce her, The little guy in the back of my head kicked me and said she dropped your arm be ready the little bastard was right.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EI am very good at calibrating to the moment my scripts are natural and very seductive. The first thing I do is set a fun relaxed vibe very positive frame. This is only speculation on my part I believe she got scared and pushed me away very hard because of what the other 2 men did.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EIt is very difficult to date women over 50 because of crap like this, it comes up quite often. They have a good man with them, wanting to move forward in life with them and they push him away. Here is a quote that is my perspective on this encounter \u0022Fear is the mind killer it is the little death that brings about total obliteration\u0022 How to break through this fear is beyond me.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EBrat\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E      \u003C\/div\u003E\n\n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022pull-right\u0022\u003E\u003Cul class=\u0022links list-inline\u0022\u003E\u003Cli class=\u0022comment-reply first last\u0022\u003E\u003Ca href=\u0022\/comment\/reply\/3027\/90028\u0022\u003Ereply\u003C\/a\u003E\u003C\/li\u003E\n\u003C\/ul\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003Ca id=\u0022comment-90038\u0022\u003E\u003C\/a\u003E\n\u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment comment-by-anonymous well clearfix\u0022 about=\u0022\/comment\/90038#comment-90038\u0022 typeof=\u0022sioc:Post sioct:Comment\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022user-picture\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cimg typeof=\u0022foaf:Image\u0022 class=\u0022img-responsive\u0022 data-src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/default\/files\/pictures\/circle-guest-85x85.png\u0022 src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/all\/modules\/contrib\/lazyloader\/image_placeholder.gif\u0022 alt=\u0022KnitterQueen\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 title=\u0022KnitterQueen\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 \/\u003E\u003Cnoscript\u003E\u003Cimg typeof=\u0022foaf:Image\u0022 class=\u0022img-responsive\u0022 src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/default\/files\/pictures\/circle-guest-85x85.png\u0022 alt=\u0022KnitterQueen\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 title=\u0022KnitterQueen\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 \/\u003E\u003C\/noscript\u003E  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\n  \n    \u003Ch3 property=\u0022dc:title\u0022 datatype=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Ca href=\u0022\/comment\/90038#comment-90038\u0022 class=\u0022permalink\u0022 rel=\u0022bookmark\u0022\u003EHi T, \u003C\/a\u003E\u003C\/h3\u003E\n  \n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022submitted\u0022\u003E\n            Posted by \u003Cspan rel=\u0022sioc:has_creator\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022username\u0022 xml:lang=\u0022\u0022 typeof=\u0022sioc:UserAccount\u0022 property=\u0022foaf:name\u0022 datatype=\u0022\u0022\u003EKnitterQueen (not verified)\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E on Friday, 28 August 2020  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022content\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cspan rel=\u0022sioc:reply_of\u0022 resource=\u0022\/content\/13-positives-long-term-relationships-and-6-drawbacks\u0022 class=\u0022rdf-meta element-hidden\u0022\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field-items\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field-item even\u0022 property=\u0022content:encoded\u0022\u003E\u003Cp\u003EHi T, \u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EThe life expectancy\/care thing is of course not urgent for the 50-70 aged group but becomes more pressing with advanced age. And, maybe coincidentally, the gap widens above 67 ( retirement age over here) between the number of women and men surveyed, saying they are interested in relationships\/moving in together. So are the men telling the truth and are the women in auto-rejection?  Or are the women truthful when they say they are afraid to be \u0022saddled with more care work\u0022. ?\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EIf they are truthful, then I see only a few realistic options. The first is that the 50 % of older men who have most to offer, make off with either younger women, or with the older women still interested in relationships.  And the rest, both women and men, stay single. And, as you say, they both learn how to have peace with that, come to terms with that.  Maybe GC can help with that. \u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EThe second option is that older men improve their game to rouse their female counterparts out of their romantic\/sexual \u0022sleep\u0022. My question is:  besides the normal game taught here on GC, are there any specific issues with seducing women over 50, over 60, 70  crowd? \u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003ET, y ou mention that even the young-older group ( 50 to 60 IS young ;) can have sudden issues with health, and that might scare off women. That might be true, but I don\u0027t think that becomes a real issue until after retirement. If health seems an issue, I\u0027d say what helps is educating both groups of the facts:  the odds of getting a stroke are very small and are even smaller if you live healthy. \u003Ca href=\u0022https:\/\/www.webmd.com\/stroke\/ss\/slideshow-cut-stroke-odds\u0022\u003Ehttps:\/\/www.webmd.com\/stroke\/ss\/slideshow-cut-stroke-odds\u003C\/a\u003E  In fact: women have just as much heart attacks as men but they present in a very different way. \u003Ca href=\u0022https:\/\/www.goredforwomen.org\/en\u0022\u003Ehttps:\/\/www.goredforwomen.org\/en\u003C\/a\u003E So, health probably is not that much of an issue for the 50-65 cohort in most cases ( and that is good to know and make sure the women know it) .\u003Cbr \/\u003E\nBut I think income is more of a problem. \u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003ENot the guys income - but the womens\u0027income. Many women of that age have small incomes. If the income is alimony or a widows pension or social security or a disability - then she loses that income if she moves in with a guy. She might even lose it if she has a relationship without movign in together. And if she moves out, she won\u0027t get that income back.  So she loses her independence - likely permanently.  if she lives in social housing projects  and vacates her place, she loses that house as well. But that might be more of a problem in the Neteherlands. This problem of losing independence,  I think, is the real problem.  A guy dating such a woman can\u0027t solve that problem. As for what he could do - that is the question, no? \u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EI can\u0027t speak for the hormonal side of things - AFAIK, it is not quite clear what menopause does to a womans sex drive. Studies say it differs form woman to woman.  \u003Ca href=\u0022https:\/\/www.healthline.com\/health\/menopause\/menopause-libido\u0022\u003Ehttps:\/\/www.healthline.com\/health\/menopause\/menopause-libido\u003C\/a\u003E  I often hear that vaginal lubricant can help a LOT and that is is used far too little because of the embarrassment factor in buying and applying it. Guys could help in normalizing that, just like women can help men with the embarrassment of erectile disorder. With age, there is an increasing likelihood of (temporary) erectile dysfunction ( 4 % in men aged 40 and 15 % in men aged 70). \u003Ca href=\u0022https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20210125042332\/https:\/\/www.uwhealth.org\/urology\/erectile-dysfunction-ed\/20537\u0022\u003Ehttps:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20210125042332\/https:\/\/www.uwhealth.org\/urol...\u003C\/a\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003E\nThe sad thing is, if only couples could talk to each other  about such things without shame and get educated about possible treatments and creative roundabouts.... Most men would rather buy (fake) viagra from some shady Chinese webshop then just man up, go to their doctor, and get a prescription for the real stuff, and have their sex life back. I speak from experience.\u003Cbr \/\u003E\nAnd besides viagra\/cialis, there\u0027s prostate orgasms that don\u0027t require an erection at all, \u003Ca href=\u0022https:\/\/www.healthline.com\/health\/healthy-sex\/prostate-orgasm#overview\u0022\u003Ehttps:\/\/www.healthline.com\/health\/healthy-sex\/prostate-orgasm#overview\u003C\/a\u003E . And there\u0027s tantric whole body orgasms for women AND men that also don\u0027t require an erect penis \u003Ca href=\u0022https:\/\/www.healthline.com\/health\/tantric-masturbation#How-to-perform-tantric-masturbation\u0022\u003Ehttps:\/\/www.healthline.com\/health\/tantric-masturbation#How-to-perform-ta...\u003C\/a\u003E  - Really, erectile disorder could be a great way to force a couple to get REALLY creative. learn this stuff, and have the best sex of their lives.  Education here could help both sexes.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E      \u003C\/div\u003E\n\n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022pull-right\u0022\u003E\u003Cul class=\u0022links list-inline\u0022\u003E\u003Cli class=\u0022comment-reply first last\u0022\u003E\u003Ca href=\u0022\/comment\/reply\/3027\/90038\u0022\u003Ereply\u003C\/a\u003E\u003C\/li\u003E\n\u003C\/ul\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003Ca id=\u0022comment-90039\u0022\u003E\u003C\/a\u003E\n\u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment comment-by-anonymous well clearfix\u0022 about=\u0022\/comment\/90039#comment-90039\u0022 typeof=\u0022sioc:Post sioct:Comment\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022user-picture\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cimg typeof=\u0022foaf:Image\u0022 class=\u0022img-responsive\u0022 data-src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/default\/files\/pictures\/circle-guest-85x85.png\u0022 src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/all\/modules\/contrib\/lazyloader\/image_placeholder.gif\u0022 alt=\u0022Knitter Queen\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 title=\u0022Knitter Queen\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 \/\u003E\u003Cnoscript\u003E\u003Cimg typeof=\u0022foaf:Image\u0022 class=\u0022img-responsive\u0022 src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/default\/files\/pictures\/circle-guest-85x85.png\u0022 alt=\u0022Knitter Queen\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 title=\u0022Knitter Queen\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 \/\u003E\u003C\/noscript\u003E  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\n  \n    \u003Ch3 property=\u0022dc:title\u0022 datatype=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Ca href=\u0022\/comment\/90039#comment-90039\u0022 class=\u0022permalink\u0022 rel=\u0022bookmark\u0022\u003EMilitary brat, you mention\u003C\/a\u003E\u003C\/h3\u003E\n  \n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022submitted\u0022\u003E\n            Posted by \u003Cspan rel=\u0022sioc:has_creator\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022username\u0022 xml:lang=\u0022\u0022 typeof=\u0022sioc:UserAccount\u0022 property=\u0022foaf:name\u0022 datatype=\u0022\u0022\u003EKnitter Queen (not verified)\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E on Friday, 28 August 2020  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022content\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cspan rel=\u0022sioc:reply_of\u0022 resource=\u0022\/content\/13-positives-long-term-relationships-and-6-drawbacks\u0022 class=\u0022rdf-meta element-hidden\u0022\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field-items\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field-item even\u0022 property=\u0022content:encoded\u0022\u003E\u003Cp\u003EMilitary brat, you mention that women over 50 often have more baggage - that perhaps the odds of them having dents and scratches is just bigger the longer they have lived. That is true - but it is also true that many woman and men become wiser. and happier.  In fact, that is the norm. \u003Ca href=\u0022https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/lifeandstyle\/2018\/may\/05\/happiness-curve-life-gets-better-after-50-jonathan-rauch\u0022\u003Ehttps:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/lifeandstyle\/2018\/may\/05\/happiness-curve-lif...\u003C\/a\u003E \u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EOne of the perks of getting older is that you can tell much more from a face. People who laugh, get laugh lines in their faces - people who frown, get frown lines.  We get the face we deserve, in a way, so others can better read us.  \u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EI doubt the problems you mention are specific to older women. But I am sure that it is not encouraging for you to believe it is, no?\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E      \u003C\/div\u003E\n\n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022pull-right\u0022\u003E\u003Cul class=\u0022links list-inline\u0022\u003E\u003Cli class=\u0022comment-reply first last\u0022\u003E\u003Ca href=\u0022\/comment\/reply\/3027\/90039\u0022\u003Ereply\u003C\/a\u003E\u003C\/li\u003E\n\u003C\/ul\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003Ca id=\u0022comment-90040\u0022\u003E\u003C\/a\u003E\n\u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment comment-by-anonymous well clearfix\u0022 about=\u0022\/comment\/90040#comment-90040\u0022 typeof=\u0022sioc:Post sioct:Comment\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022user-picture\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cimg typeof=\u0022foaf:Image\u0022 class=\u0022img-responsive\u0022 data-src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/default\/files\/pictures\/circle-guest-85x85.png\u0022 src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/all\/modules\/contrib\/lazyloader\/image_placeholder.gif\u0022 alt=\u0022KnitterQueen\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 title=\u0022KnitterQueen\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 \/\u003E\u003Cnoscript\u003E\u003Cimg typeof=\u0022foaf:Image\u0022 class=\u0022img-responsive\u0022 src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/default\/files\/pictures\/circle-guest-85x85.png\u0022 alt=\u0022KnitterQueen\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 title=\u0022KnitterQueen\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 \/\u003E\u003C\/noscript\u003E  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\n  \n    \u003Ch3 property=\u0022dc:title\u0022 datatype=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Ca href=\u0022\/comment\/90040#comment-90040\u0022 class=\u0022permalink\u0022 rel=\u0022bookmark\u0022\u003Esex and dating for age group 45-80 , in summary\u003C\/a\u003E\u003C\/h3\u003E\n  \n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022submitted\u0022\u003E\n            Posted by \u003Cspan rel=\u0022sioc:has_creator\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022username\u0022 xml:lang=\u0022\u0022 typeof=\u0022sioc:UserAccount\u0022 property=\u0022foaf:name\u0022 datatype=\u0022\u0022\u003EKnitterQueen (not verified)\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E on Friday, 28 August 2020  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022content\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cspan rel=\u0022sioc:reply_of\u0022 resource=\u0022\/content\/13-positives-long-term-relationships-and-6-drawbacks\u0022 class=\u0022rdf-meta element-hidden\u0022\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field-items\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field-item even\u0022 property=\u0022content:encoded\u0022\u003E\u003Cp\u003ET,  you are right; chemistry on a date conquers most objections on both sides. The difficulty is probably to get these women on a date. What Chase said about the downsides of dating women on dating sites and the perks of meeting them in day game probably applies far more strongly with this age group. So the quenstion becomes, how do you meet a woman romantically and hter her to date you, a woman who does not consider dating \u0022something she does, anymore\u0022?  I suspect an adapted version of day game and adapted recommended places to meet such women is needed. Also, I think meeting them through mutual contacts is often the way to go, but I may be wrong and just repeating an image  I got from movies. ;) \u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003ETo summarize myself, I\u0027d say the specific adapatations needed to succesfully date older women are;\u003Cbr \/\u003E\n1. Be aware that women up untill 44 may be really interested in becoming mothers;\u003Cbr \/\u003E\n2. Be aware that many women ( except cougars, if those really exist) are very hesitant and yet maybe some are interested in dating a guy more then 5 years younger. Most internet fluff articles on \u0022dating older women\u0022is either written to pander to these women, or they are about the dynamic of a 20 something guy and a 30-40 something woman.  As Chase said 30-40 yea old guys ar usually interested in starting a family with a woman their age or younger. But for men over 45 and women over 45, how the dynamics work when there is an age difference, I have no idea. In general relationships between older women and ( up until 12 year  younger men) are more successful then average, but I suspect that is because they are not obvious and therefore more consciously chosen. \u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003ESo, women up untill 45 have no time to waste but may wnat to start a family and are quite fierce in looking for a mate to do so\u0027\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EWomen aged 45-retirement age (65  who have a job AND care duties, and are financially independent often have a serious time shortage that may make them hesitant to date if the need for it was not so strong in the first place; \u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EWomen over 55 -70 who are no longer working and are not financially independent often have a lot to lose if they get in a relationship with or move in with a guy; often they say they are done caring for anyone; they cut their hair short, start wearing sexless clothes, and plan hikes and city trips with girlfriends...\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EWomen and men over 70.. I think the previous patterns apply right up until health problems become a serious issue and, after that, what patters develop?  One of the patterns is increased sexual activity  in assisted living communities, where men outnumber women and meeting each other is easy. STD\u0027s are decreasing in every age group except the over 65 crowd. \u003Ca href=\u0022https:\/\/www.psychologytoday.com\/us\/blog\/refire-don-t-retire\/201507\/new-relationships-and-sex-after-60-70-and-80\u0022\u003Ehttps:\/\/www.psychologytoday.com\/us\/blog\/refire-don-t-retire\/201507\/new-r...\u003C\/a\u003E\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E      \u003C\/div\u003E\n\n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022pull-right\u0022\u003E\u003Cul class=\u0022links list-inline\u0022\u003E\u003Cli class=\u0022comment-reply first last\u0022\u003E\u003Ca href=\u0022\/comment\/reply\/3027\/90040\u0022\u003Ereply\u003C\/a\u003E\u003C\/li\u003E\n\u003C\/ul\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003Ca id=\u0022comment-90047\u0022\u003E\u003C\/a\u003E\n\u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment well clearfix\u0022 about=\u0022\/comment\/90047#comment-90047\u0022 typeof=\u0022sioc:Post sioct:Comment\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022user-picture\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Ca href=\u0022\/user\/29688\u0022 title=\u0022View user profile.\u0022\u003E\u003Cimg typeof=\u0022foaf:Image\u0022 class=\u0022img-responsive\u0022 data-src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/default\/files\/pictures\/picture-29688-1595037030.jpg\u0022 src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/all\/modules\/contrib\/lazyloader\/image_placeholder.gif\u0022 alt=\u0022militarybrat51\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 title=\u0022militarybrat51\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 \/\u003E\u003Cnoscript\u003E\u003Cimg typeof=\u0022foaf:Image\u0022 class=\u0022img-responsive\u0022 src=\u0022https:\/\/www.girlschase.com\/sites\/default\/files\/pictures\/picture-29688-1595037030.jpg\u0022 alt=\u0022militarybrat51\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 title=\u0022militarybrat51\u0026#039;s picture\u0022 \/\u003E\u003C\/noscript\u003E\u003C\/a\u003E  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\n  \n    \u003Ch3 property=\u0022dc:title\u0022 datatype=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Ca href=\u0022\/comment\/90047#comment-90047\u0022 class=\u0022permalink\u0022 rel=\u0022bookmark\u0022\u003EBaggage Knitter?\u003C\/a\u003E\u003C\/h3\u003E\n  \n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022submitted\u0022\u003E\n            Posted by \u003Cspan rel=\u0022sioc:has_creator\u0022\u003E\u003Ca href=\u0022\/user\/29688\u0022 title=\u0022View user profile.\u0022 class=\u0022username\u0022 xml:lang=\u0022\u0022 about=\u0022\/user\/29688\u0022 typeof=\u0022sioc:UserAccount\u0022 property=\u0022foaf:name\u0022 datatype=\u0022\u0022\u003Emilitarybrat51\u003C\/a\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E on Friday, 28 August 2020  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\n  \u003Cdiv class=\u0022content\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cspan rel=\u0022sioc:reply_of\u0022 resource=\u0022\/content\/13-positives-long-term-relationships-and-6-drawbacks\u0022 class=\u0022rdf-meta element-hidden\u0022\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field-items\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field-item even\u0022 property=\u0022content:encoded\u0022\u003E\u003Cp\u003EWhat I am encountering is anger and resentment of others causing fear of intimacy. I\u0027m a cold approach guy walking my dog yielded more meet and greets than anything else. He was a beautiful black dog that was a hottie magnet. Just because he is gone does not mean I have to be angry or resentful of others nor fear intimacy.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003ELife is a meat grinder I have been chewed up and spit out a few times. I have a train load of baggage that stays parked in the train yard where it belongs. I carry the lessons of what not to do with me it makes me a better,happier man. I start every morning with this quote: \u0022When you arise in the morning, think of what a precious privilege it is to be alive - to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love\u0022.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EThanks Knitter your thoughts on dating older women have opened my eyes on why it is difficult to date older women. 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