When to Use Black and White Thinking (and When Not to)


In "Your Mental Model is Flawed," Lu asks a great question:

Chase, I like your analysis of how there is no black and white between what is good and what is evil, because both are seen in different lights by separate cultures, societies, and individuals.

However, do you think having this "black and white" mentality is good for other areas, such as leadership? I feel like in moving your interactions forward with women, or in business, you're either going to do something, or you aren't. A gray area when it comes to leading, I believe, would be a sign of indecisiveness.

A response on how you have become a leader, not just with women but in all areas would be greatly appreciated. Keep up the good work!

Black and white thinking's a fascinating topic. The psychological tool of black/white thinking is extremely powerful, though it rests normally on an incomplete view of the world. However, it's somewhat essential at some degree to progress and motivation in anyone.

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Understanding something like black and white thinking, the question really does become, "How deep down the rabbit hole do you want to go?"

Particularly if you really want to wrap your head around why people do it and why it has such a powerful hold on people's minds, you'll find the rabbit hole on this one goes rather deep.

And the truth with black and white thinking is, even the most fair-minded of individuals employes it to some degree to get anything in his life accomplished other than simply lie in bed.


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There are a couple of different terms for black and white thinking in psychology, depending on how you use it. One of these is splitting or all-or-nothing distortion (see the Wikipedia article on splitting here); the other is false dilemma, a logical fallacy (Wikipedia article here).

For simplicity's sake, we can consider splitting the psychological effect, and false dilemma the outcome of that effect. So, for instance, you may decide that Pizza Hut is evil and Papa John's is good - that's you splitting. You may then decide that people either have to support Pizza Hut (evil) or Papa John's (good), thus creating a false dilemma (that fails to consider other pizza alternatives, like Domino's or a good Italian restaurant or frozen pizza you buy at the store).

(there's also an opposite fallacy to the false dilemma - the "argument to moderation" - in which something "in the middle" is proposed, even if the middle is still actually a bad result - e.g., King Solomon's proposal in response to two women quarreling over which woman a child belonged to was that the the child be cut in two and one of the women take the top half and the other woman the bottom... but we won't explore the argument to moderation here)

When I talk about black and white thinking in this post, I'll mainly be referring to:

  • Splitting as the psychological element that's happening in the splitter's head

  • A false dilemma as the outcome of that element that influences the splitter's thoughts, words, and actions

When you engage in splitting (black and white thinking), you create for yourself (and those you hold influence over) a false dilemma of only having a limited number of choices.


The Emotional Root of Splitting

Remove emotions from the human brain, and people become almost non-functioning. Even the simplest decisions for someone who's had a brain injury that causes the loss of emotions become infinitely complex. Several studies documenting decision making by individuals who've had damage to the emotion processing centers of their brains have found that these individuals simply cannot choose between one appointment slot and the next, or between a $15 pen and a $15 wallet. Why not?

What happens is, emotion stripped away, the chooser has only logic. And logic free of emotion is something that can simply go on forever. Well, if I pick the wallet, that's the right choice, because I already have a hundred pens at home. But actually, that's a rather impressive-looking pen, and the pen is more likely to make me look good to others than the wallet. But actually again, I need a new wallet, as my current one is beginning to fall apart, and it's much more convenient for me to just take the wallet. But, if I want a pen like that, I'm not even sure what brand that pen is or if I can get it somewhere else. But...

You've no doubt had debates like these before over seemingly trivial things. They likely only happened because you either had zero emotion toward either of the choices, or too much emotion between them. What got you moving eventually? You probably got upset with yourself over not being able to decide, and so forced yourself to choose. But that impatience with your own decision making is itself is an emotion, and not something that people without emotion can experience.

At some extent, whenever faced with a choice, you must emotionally decide that one choice is better than the other. One choice is the "right" choice, and the other choice is the "wrong" one. You can't do this running on pure logic - there's always a better reason to choose the thing you were about to not choose - you can only do it with emotion.

And even at the tiniest levels, every emotional decision you make is a form of splitting. One choice is good, and the other is bad.

These may not be highly emotional decisions. But the more certain you become, the stronger the split is. The more black and white your thinking has become.

Think of a holiday where people get dressed up one way or another. Pick St. Patrick's Day, for instance; that'll be here soon. Everybody knows that on St. Patty's Day, you wear green and drink beer.

Let's say you wake up the morning of St. Patrick's Day and you've got to decide what to wear. You look through your outfits and find you only have one green outfit... and it's really not a great set of clothes by far.

Now you're faced with a choice:

  • Pick the better, more fashionable clothes to wear, but not be wearing green, or

  • Pick the green clothes to wear and say, "To hell with fashion, it's a holiday!"

Because this choice has now become more emotional and the stakes are raised, you're forced to split harder to make a decision. Therefore, if you choose to wear green, you're a lot more likely to spend the rest of the day judging people not wearing green as "people who don't feel the holiday spirit" or people who just "aren't with it;" and if you choose to look fashionable or professional instead of green, you'll spend the rest of the day judging holiday revelers as "childish and immature" or "people who don't have to look good for a living."

Even over something like what clothes to wear, to some degree people engage in black and white thinking.


The Power of Black and White Thinking

Without emotional decision making - without saying, "This is good, and this other thing is bad," you cannot lead. You might call me a hypocrite for telling you in the mental model article that your model is flawed if you see the world in blacks and whites, only to tell you in this article that you can't actually do anything without seeing the world in blacks and whites, but it isn't hypocrisy; it's just the weird way of the world and how we interact with it as humans.

As a human being, you've more or less got to choose:

  • Do you want to see things truly honestly? Then you need to discard black and white thinking. Caveat: you won't be able to make any real decisions... even simple ones.

  • Do you want to make decisions and get stuff done? Then you need to embrace black and white thinking. Caveat: you won't be able to see things honestly... even the simplest of things.

To make a truly logical, emotionless decision, you'd need to have an infinite amount of information, and the ability to process that infinite amount of information through infinite numbers of scenarios. The emotionless guy is still thinking about the choice of the $15 pen or the $15 wallet the next day because his brain is still calculating all the possible scenarios. He's 14 chess moves in, and at that point there are so many variables to consider and so many ways the choice of the wallet or the pen could play out it's taking him longer and longer to run through all the pathways. And there's no end to this chess game, because it's the real world, not a game. There's no king to capture.

Black and white thinking gives you a simple out: it allows you to CHOOSE. You decide then and there that one thing is bad, and the other is good.

It's a false dichotomy - you're labeling things bad or good that in reality are neither - but it allows you to get moving.

Black and white thinking, then, is integral to decision making (and it's something we'll talk about again whenever I get that article on being decisive up).

It's integral to leading women properly and certainly (I'll discuss how below).

It's integral to anything action-taking related at all.

I dislike black and white thinking generally, but merely because most people misuse it. However, harnessed as a tool for generating action, and not worshipped as "the way of the truth" most people seem to see it as, black and white thinking can be very useful.

So long as it isn't being used on you, that is.


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Most people who try to manipulate you will use black and white thinking to do so. Every religion on Earth uses black and white thinking to control its adherents and whip them up into frenzies. Every cult uses it. Even many "non-religious" organizations - the Freemasons, the Landmark Forum, any political party that's achieved any success of note - use it.

Why do they use it? Because most people see large chunks of the world in blacks and whites at all times, and this makes them very easy to control - just plug into their black and white belief system and go.

False dilemmas, therefore, are a hack for controlling people. If you want other people to do what you want, simply create a false dilemma for them; the vast majority of people, if you're persuasive enough, will fall right into the false dilemma and be forced to choose... usually between one choice you set up as very undesirable, and the other choice, which is the one they want you to take.

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This is one of the reasons I detest black and white so greatly. I've seen it used time and again to manipulate masses of people into bad decisions that are directly harmful to themselves, and I've seen it used on a personal level by people who want to get things from others. I've had it used on me at times, and usually recognized it, but always ended up kicking myself later when I fell for it yet again the times I did.

The truth is, black and white can be used for good... but more often it is used by people who know how to hack the brains of others to get them what they want.

And usually - if you're willing to do something like that - the well-being of those whose brains you're hacking is of far lower concern to you than your own well-being and "just" rewards.


Defense Against the False Dilemma

As I discussed in "What Happens When You Label People (or Let Them Label You)," my standard recommendation is that when someone uses black and white thinking to label you as "other," you simply turn the label back around and label them as that other in a more vehement way (and use a good argument to back the label up).

So someone calls you sexist - that's black and white thinking; "you're either with us or you're against us" - you label that person back as sexist and explain why he or she is the person who's truly sexist.

This is how you must combat all black and white thinkers, at least in the most heated confrontations. If things are calmer, you can take time to question their beliefs at a meta level, like what we discussed on mental models. You can stop and ask them if the choices are really so limited; if things really are as pure a dichotomy they think they are (things aren't, of course).

But to people with stronger adherence to black and white, and to people who are highly emotional, this is not enough. The only thing you can do is fight them back on their own turf; impose their own false dilemma back upon them, and label them the very outsider they proclaim you are.

People using false dilemmas against you will usually use it to one of only a few ends:

  • To get your time and energy and commitment
  • To get your money
  • Or, sometimes, to get both

If it's to get your commitment, it usually comes in the form of:

This path is the ONLY right path, and all others are bad / evil / foolish / damned! Will you take this path and follow the light, or will you take the other path and be damned?

If it's to get your money, it usually comes in the form of:

This thing is the ONLY thing you need to have, and if you don't buy it / invest in it and you instead buy / invest in something else, you'll lose and suffer horribly and be a fool. Do you want to buy / invest in the right thing, or do you want to be a fool who spends the rest of his life regretting that he made the wrong choice?

Being aware of it is often enough - as soon as you hear it, you know you're hearing from someone who is, consciously or unconsciously, trying to manipulate others by presenting a false dilemma that he knows or believes he can hack into their minds with, and you can simply walk away, or say, "Thank you and goodbye."

Sometimes you can't walk away, though, and you must combat this person. For whatever reason. And in that case, you have three options for defense:

  1. Question them at the meta level. Go a level higher than they are and ask them if things are really as black and white as they make them out to be. Is this really an accurate picture of the world? If your questioning is done well, you can usually get more reasonable people to see things a bit more logically and less through the black and white filter, though this won't work with the more emotional people or people who are in a more emotional state of mind.

  2. Inform them you take the "bad" choice. Most people who use false dilemmas are counting on a) shoehorning you into having to choose between two options, and b) you not wanting to choose the "bad" choice. For instance, the guy who tells you, "Look, you're either with us or against us." When I have people say that to me, and #1 (going meta) doesn't work, my response to them tends to be this: "Well if you're going to force me into a false dilemma like that, then I choose to be against you, because if you were really on my side you wouldn't be putting me in a bad situation like that. I'd much prefer to continue being friends with both parties, but if you're saying I must choose, then I choose for you and to become enemies since you are the aggressor here. You forced me in this position; you're the bad person here." Interestingly enough, it's usually accurate - people forcing you into hard choices rarely are really your friends.

    Refusing the choice they tried to push you towards generally takes people off balance, and instead of them trying to force you into a decision, they move into calmer courting of you instead - they were expecting you'd break, not fight back. At this point, you can usually go to #1 and begin reasoning with them logically, or tell them the two of you need a cooling off period and then go to #1.

  3. Tell them they are the thing they're railing against. Sometimes it's dangerous for you to take the "bad" choice - for instance, if you're in front of an angry mob and they're telling you you're either with them or against them, you're not going to send them backpedaling by telling them fine, you're against them then; most likely, you're just going to end up lynched. If you have any kind of audience that isn't mostly favorable to you, you must cast the aggressor in a bad light. Unfortunately, at this point you're in a morality war, and the only way you win that is by making it clear that the other person is the morally bankrupt party, not you.

    Morality wars are sticky and messy and bloody and it's better not to be in them if you can avoid it (because they're kind of pointless in the grand scheme of things, most of the time), but if someone brings the fight to you and you don't have a choice to get away from it, this is where you want to be better at painting others as immoral and bad and corrupt than they are at doing so themselves. In this case, you need to beat them at their own game - they came to you to tell you how immoral and evil you are, or how immoral and evil you will be if you don't do what they want; you need to respond by convincingly making it clear that in fact their views are the immoral and evil ones. Sometimes they will calm down and you can move to #1 and end up friends at the end; other times, you just have to bludgeon them until their spirits break and they give up and go away to go bother someone else. This is the only one that really takes some skill - you've got to be both good at winning debates, and you've got to train yourself to fly into moral outrage against those flying against you in moral outrage rather than break and retreat into your shell like most people do.

#3 may seem like a tall order, and probably is pretty hard for most people, but it's worth trying if you're in a black and white dog fight even if you're not that great at debating or making an argument.

My father's step-father likes to tell the story of when my father was a little boy, and a big kid a few years older than him would harass him and hit him as he was coming home and call him names. My father came home crying one day, and his step-father told him he was sorry that happened but my father needed to stand up to that boy if he ever wanted him to stop.

The next day it happened again; my father was walking home, trying to avoid that boy, but the boy found him again and hit him again and my father came home crying again. And his step-father sat him down at the kitchen table and said look: you may not be able to beat this little boy, but if you give him a bloody nose and something to remember, he's not going to want to beat on you anymore.

So, the next day after that, my father was once again walking home, and once again that boy appeared to harass him. But this time my father stopped, dropped his books on the ground, and fought that boy back. My step-father says that when my father came home, he was beat up pretty bad and had a lot of bruises - that other kid was older and bigger than he was, and the bigger kid won the fight. But the bigger kid was hurt too, and he'd learned the lesson; he never troubled my father again.

People attacking you with false dilemmas are just like this; even if you can't beat their argument - and at the point of arguments, it really comes down to who's the better debater, not who is actually "right" (you can be "right" about anything; give me any side of an argument and I can probably find a way to win it against anyone else who doesn't already have an immensely more thought-out and practiced position than I do, moral arguments included) - if you fight back against somebody attacking you morally with black and white thinking, even if you don't win, you'll usually give them cause to pause before starting up with you again.


When to Use Black and White Thinking

The flip side of splitting is using it on yourself; and this is the time when you want to use black and white thinking. Black and white thinking is necessary for making decisions, and it's a powerful force in that way. If you don't use it for that, you can very easily get trapped in indecisiveness.

Actually, the more I've studied the psychology of decision making, the more I've started to think that emotions tempered by a great deal of logic are one of the biggest reasons why intelligent people struggle so much socially when younger. I see a lot of really smart people who are socially awkward in their high school and college years. It might even be the majority of them. Why?

I think it's because really smart people have trouble deciding on one path over another. They're just able to see too many different ways things can go, and their emotions aren't screaming at them to just decide and take action. They're less passionate and better able to look at things calmly from a removed point of view. So instead of joining this group or that group or charging off after that girl they like or deciding to throw a party and invite all the popular kids in school, they hem and haw and deliberate and think about worst case scenarios and never end up doing anything... or learning anything, since lessons come from our failures and success, which, of course, require action first.

This hemming and hawing is great for avoiding nasty situations and learning things as an observer. However, it's not so great for getting the things you want and learning about the world through the eyes of experience.

One of the biggest personal coups I had in learning how to make better decisions was adopting snap decision making, and at an emotional level being able to do that comes down to splitting. To make fast decisions, you have to be able to say this one thing is good and this other one is bad, at least so far as its implications for you yourself are concerned.

I still think it's better to have as black and white-free a view of the world as possible, and to not impose your personal black and white views on others. The older I've gotten, the more I've realized what a fool I've been when I've presumed to decide for other people what's best for them. No matter how well you know someone, there are always things about them you cannot know that make whatever you think is best for them irrelevant. The best thing you can do for someone else is give them the freedom to decide for themselves. You also don't alienate your friends this way by putting them into mentally taxing false dilemma situations that cause ego depletion and buyer's remorse.

My philosophy on use of black and white thinking is:

  1. Use it to make your own personal decisions for your own personal life

  2. Use it to combat those using it to hurt you or force you to do something

  3. Don't use it for anything else

It's like a car. If you have a car, you can drive yourself anywhere you want, and that's great. If someone else tries driving you places you don't like in their car, just drive them places THEY don't like in YOUR car, and they'll go away and stop bothering you. But don't go driving your friends around to places they don't want to go, unless you don't really want them as friends for too much longer.

Black and white thinking is your automobile for decision making.


How to Use Splitting to Lead and Make Decisions

To properly use splitting, you need to know two things:

  1. What you want, and

  2. What will get you there

If you can figure out those two things, black and white thinking will take you the rest of the way.

Part of the reason I recommend that guys who are new to learning how to get girls take a piece of paper with 2 to 3 goals for an outing written down on it tucked into their pocket when they go out is to take care of #1. You effectively offload the mental labor of having to decide what you want to the "past you;" past you decided, wrote it down for "future you," and now future you (which is now present you when you're out meeting new girls) doesn't have to worry about continually trying to figure out what he wants, because it's already there written down on that piece of paper.

You know your goals are to talk to six random girls and ask two of them for phone numbers, and you can gear everything you do that night around that.

#2 is a product of either experience or process. When you have neither, it comes down to luck. That's the guy who's just met two girls, one of whom is very attractive and somewhat aloof, and the other of whom is less attractive but more flirtatious. Which girl does he go for, and what outcome will he get? That depends partly on what his goal is - is it get as much experience as possible with any woman who's "good enough," or is it find the most amazing, beautiful woman in the world he's able to get and make her his girlfriend right now? But it also depends a lot on his experience, process, or lack of either. That guy will do one of these, depending on where he's at:

  • If he has experience (and experienced guys build their own processes by default), he'll know he can test a few things out with the more attractive girl to find out how interested she actually is without losing his shot with the less attractive girl. He knows if she doesn't bite, he can move to the lesser girl and still be okay

  • If he has process but not experience, he'll know he should try a few specific things with the more attractive girl to see if she bites and get a read on her attraction levels. He won't be as good at knowing how long to keep trying with her or at what point the less attractive girl goes into auto-rejection, so experience trumps process in this case, but he'll have a big advantage compared to the guy who has neither asset

  • If he has neither process nor experience, he'll either just go for the very attractive girl from the beginning and either get lucky or not, or he'll just go for the less attractive girl from the beginning and either have luckily made the right choice (if the more attractive girl actually wasn't into him) or unluckily made the wrong one (if the more attractive girl actually was into him, but concealing that interest, as more attractive women are wont to do)

This is why I put so much emphasis on process (as discussed in "Does Confidence = Success?"), particularly for newer guys. Without experience, the only thing that's standing between you and things being down to nothing but the luck of the draw is process.

So, let's say you know what you want, and you have a fairly reasonable idea about what you need to do to get there. Where splitting comes in is deciding for sure which way you're going to go to get there.

Splitting comes in when you know you'd like the more attractive girl, but you'd settle for the less attractive one if you can't have her, so you decide that the best course of action is to spend a few minutes seeing if you can get the more attractive girl to invest, to follow, to respond to a deep dive, to move when you tell her to move. If she won't do that after a few minutes, you'll walk away from trying to get her and shift your energies to the more "certain" girl instead.

That's how you use splitting. You decide that not going for the prettier girl is bad, and going for the second-best girl right away is bad. But you also decide that totally ignoring a girl who likes you for one who doesn't is also bad, so you need to find out if the pretty girl likes you first or not. If not, then you go to the other girl.

Another example of employing splitting usefully for decision making: friends are asking you to decide about whether to get Mexican food or Italian food, but you'd really like to have both too, just like your friends. So you pose the question to them: tacos or pasta? Still they can't decide. You can actually use splitting on the meta question of, "Will I make a decision or not?" So it becomes not about what food you actually want - you want both equally (or don't really care either way) - but rather about the fact that you need to make a decision, period. You get mad yourself for not being able to decide, so you just pick one - "Okay, let's get Mexican then. Salsa, tortillas, a little flavor - I could go for Mexican. It's always good."

There, the black and white thinking wasn't, "Mexican is good, and Italian is bad," but rather, "Deciding is good, and not deciding is bad." So, you force a decision, and get things moving - and everyone else is grateful that you aren't just standing around deliberating anymore.


Great Power, Great Responsibility

Being good at splitting and good at making arguments means that you have a very, very powerful ability to sway other people. Which means you need to be very, very careful.

I advise you very strongly against using splitting arguments with people. Historically, leaders who've used black and white to motivate followers get painted as villains and tyrants (think Hitler; Lenin; Pol Pot); leaders who've refused to indulge in it get elevated as saints (think Lincoln; Gandhi; King, Jr.; Mandela). If you look up the Wikipedia entry on the "you're either with us or against us" argument (which creates a false dilemma), you'll note the people using it in literature are nearly always the villains (the people using this one in real life include George W. Bush and Hillary Clinton). It denotes a kind of weakness - your argument doesn't merit enough support in its own right, so you have to force people into allying with you by scaring them about being labeled an enemy, or foolish, or unpatriotic, or whatnot.

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In addition, there's another very good reason why this usually leads to the splitter being cast as a villain - that reason being that playing around with people's ability to decide for themselves is one of the greatest crimes you can commit against other people. You force them into decisions you've fooled them into thinking are good or right, that lead them inevitably toward bad ends.

Rather than making everything a moral argument, my advice to you is to be responsible with the power of black and white thinking and save it only for your own decision making and for combatting those who'd use it against you or others around you.

Other than that, when communicating to others and urging them to make decisions, present emotionless choices. That is, "Well, you can do this, and the likely result is this; or you could do that, which will have this effect, and likely this outcome. There's also this choice, which probably leads to this happening and then this." In this way, you help them to understand the choices better to make their own decision, rather than force a false dilemma on them and push them toward choosing what you want them to choose.

You can force decisions where your own time or other resources are on the line - you're trying to move things forward with a girl, but she's hemming and hawing, for instance. But you don't try to force her to decide for you - you just push her to decide one way or another period, or you assume her interest and start escalating with her, and if she makes up her mind that she isn't all that interested in you, actually, she can leave any time to find someone else she is interested in.

This requires a certain degree of outcome dependence, of course - you've got to be more concerned with helping other people lead the lives they want to lead than in getting whatever you might want to get from them - but it also leads to much stronger friendships and alliances, and the ability to form lasting relationships with powerful people. People respect you much more too, because they see that you respect them. We laugh when the bad guy falls down and gets hurt because we have no respect for him. We might laugh a little when the good guy falls down, but then we feel a little bad about it, extend him our hand, and help him back to his feet. No such kindness is extended to the bad guy, because he gets no real, substantial respect.

Your friendships and alliances are much stronger without black and white too because powerful people do not tolerate having others who are constantly trying to get things from them by imposing black and white views on them around for long. They toss those relationships in the rubbish bin, and surround themselves with people who help their decision making... rather than try to commandeer it.

If you want strong people around you who will help you and contribute to your life, and not weak people who will bow to you but also slow you down and hinder you, be someone who helps people understand choices but not someone who tries imposing those choices upon them.

Other than that, do use black and white thinking for your own decision making, and your own judgment calls. If you know what you want and what path you want to go down, you can use splitting very effectively to get yourself down that path.

And don't be afraid to keep a little black and white thinking in your back pocket to break out on people who try to use it on you. You can't always be calm and measured, after all... the world's far too chaotic a place for completely calm to win every time!

Always,
Chase

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zac's picture

unbelievable.


There's so many things i can derive from this article, but it will not serve the point as i prefer to make my writings short.

Black and white view is essential. But it's not a way of life, and it also happens with choices and not berating others of theirs. And it's true, the method is being abused by "good" people.

Anyway i now know why i am indecisive. But i thought i always have a problem picking a can of drink, because i always think that the other taste better but i also think i like this as a favourite drink. However when i change my mindset to abundance, i am somewhat free of my mind. Perhaps having an abundance mindset might help?

It's getting more like a psychological cracking of the brains. Such profound analogy.

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Decisiveness

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Happy to hear this helps with your drink selection! Yes, taking an abundance approach certainly makes it easier - then you can say, "What's it matter, I can get the other drink any time I want it!" and just pick one and go with that.

Abundance helps in a lot of different ways with a lot of different things...

Chase

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At the moment, i can't subsribe


Chase,

At the moment i can't subscribe, due to financial constraints. I click on one article a few times and it's counted as viewing the article three times. This might be a problem if the computer or the internet lags and also, when i refresh the page, it might be counted as viewing.

I was thinking if once you view the article, it's considered a "read article". Maybe you can help, Likewise i understand this is a from business view, You need to run the site, which is first and foremost.

Zac

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Multiple Reads Counted Multiple Times

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I noticed that a little after we went live, yes. Sorry you ran into that already, I was hoping we could get it fixed before anyone refreshed / had multiple reads. Anyway, Mike (our guy who built the paywall) already let me know he's working on it, so we ought to have a fix for that shortly. Be up tomorrow or the next day most likely - he's pretty fast. I'll post something on the forum when it's fixed just in case you don't see this / hit the paywall limit prematurely.

Chase

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Thanks man,


Thanks man. :) i saw the other comment on the cool guy father reading the book on laws wherever he goes. Cool stuff.

Again, thank you.

Zac

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Paywall Module Updated

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Quick note on this one (better late than never) that the module's been updated. From here on out, all articles visited are specifically tracked, so you'll be able to revisit an article that's within your free article quota for the month.

Chase

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Why the new site is costing?


It really sucks that this site will be costing. I don't understand why is that sudden change? It is not like it is an ebook, or training DVDs or whatever. This things were excissible to everybody and then boom NO. I though you had enough products + your life coaching to compensate for this articles. I hope this change.

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Re: Why the new site is costing?

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As noted in my response to your other comment (here), no, the business was not making enough to make it worth continuing on with product sales alone as its backbone.

Something to put things in perspective: how many of the products on this site have YOU purchased?

Your answer here is the same as almost everybody else's... and that's why the former business model didn't work.

Chase

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Website


You don't have to pay for any material on the website however you won't gain anything in return. Alternatively paying a relatively small price for one month (99cents) and putting some of your own work in will equip you with over ten years of experience and a vastly greater understanding of the world.

I've chosen my black and white.

Dale's picture

Lincoln,etc.


Your selection on splitters vs. non-splitters is pretty much just who is popular; Lincoln split the entire country apart, Gandhi certainly split people into good (Hindus) and bad (British).
[I agree Mandala was a joiner, at least when he came to power.]

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Splitters / Popular

Author

Dale-

While Lincoln contributed to tensions between the U.S. North and South, so far as I'm aware his tack was "a house divided cannot stand" rather than "you're with us or against us" - his position was more that of the shepherd looking to reunite his flock, unless I've missed something important about how he presented himself. He may have been a polarizing figure to Southerners at the time, but his message wasn't one of "us vs. them," but rather "here's what we need to do to get us all on the same page."

Gandhi I've never gotten the impression from things I've read that he ever took a stance of, "Either you're with us in the struggle for a free India, or you're one of the British traitors and sympathizers;" but my reading on his life and views isn't much more nuanced than what's on Wikipedia, so if you have a deeper perspective, maybe I'm wrong there.

Mandela was originally a hardcore splitter, making war on and wanting the whites out of South Africa, but prison changed him for the better, and now he gets remembered in a better light.

Bear in mind that the splitting we're talking about here isn't the physical splitting apart of two peoples, but rather the emotional splitting of "right and wrong;" the main point was it was the "right and wrong"ers and "with us or against us"ers who get the bum rap in history, usually (though there are exceptions... Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed are four examples of strong "with us or against us" users who are still respected centuries or millennia after their passings, though likely only because they have large numbers of devotees even today who remain emotionally associated to them and unable to look at their arguments from a disconnected point of view).

Chase

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Question


Hey Chase,

In regards to both black and white thinking, mental model, I was wondering if you had experience with women who "seemed" super into you, and then after that they claimed that you violated them and disrespected them. How would you address situations such as these, especially when you knew the environment was made so that she could leave whenever she wanted to. Rightly so, I am sure there is nothing personal, but may be some bad experiences that I was just unlucky to be on the receiving end of, nonetheless how would you go about addressing such a claim, when it seems that she had one hell of a time with you the night before, only to switch up on you. Thanks man, and splendid job with the site and all.

Cheers,
Runner

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Emotion Flipping

Author

Runner-

This most often happens when a woman's had too much to drink. I used to drink a lot when I was younger, and I can tell you I had plenty of times where I'd wake up the next day and someone would tell me something I'd done and I'd be in disbelief; no way, there was no way I'd ever do that! That's not like me. No way.

Then, a few hours later, the memories would come back, the series of events that led to whatever it was that happened would return, and my reasoning and rationale would come back, and I'd understand why I did whatever I did and it'd make complete sense and I'd be relieved and say, "Oh. Right. THAT's why I did that! Of course; it all makes sense now."

This happens with women and sex too - probably the majority of false rape accusations are cases where the girl had too much to drink, blacked out, had sex, then forgot why she did it, felt violated, and accuses the guy of rape. I worked with a kid just after graduating high school this happened to; I remember him coming in one day telling us all this story of how he'd been at this party, and he'd been hanging out with this girl, and they both got pretty drunk and went outside to get some fresh air, and she'd ended up throwing up on the sidewalk. Within a few minutes though they were making out, and then they had sex. This kid was really excited about it, because it was only the second girl he'd been with. A few days later he came into work terrified though because apparently the girl was going around telling everyone he'd raped her. This went on for about two weeks, and finally I told him to stop being an idiot, go sit her down somewhere, and say, "Look: I didn't rape you! Knock it off!" and then review the events with her that led to her having sex with him. So he went, did that, and she apologized and then went around and told everyone sorry, it wasn't rape, and all was fine.

The other possible scenario is just a really crazy chick who gets angry at you for whatever reason and wants revenge. I haven't seen that personally, but I've heard stories.

I'd say the two to watch out for then are just blacked out drunk girls, and really crazy girls. If you meet women like that, no matter how much they're throwing themselves at you it's probably not worth it, because there's a good chance they change their stories later and make you out to be the aggressor and them the helpless victim. Particularly in college towns, police often tend to take a very skeptical view of anything even remotely resembling a consensual hookup that a girl's now proclaiming was rape, but there's still risk anyway.

In damage control, if you have a woman claiming you violated / raped / disrespected her, or whatever, when you know you certainly did not, the best advice I have is the same as I gave that 18 year old kid 11 years ago: sit her down with her, tell her to knock it off, and walk back through the series of events with her so that she remembers. Unless she's a total kook - or you're legitimately in the wrong - she'll chill out (do watch out for the total kooks though... I've spent months trying to reason with crazy people and have it go absolutely nowhere. You must be crazy yourself if you try reasoning with crazy).

Chase

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Chase when you were in Japan


Chase when you were in Japan how did you communicate? I hope to dervive something from your presumption.

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Communication in Japan

Author

Tanbul-

Japan - same as any other country. Just English or, with girls who don't understand, very expressive facial expressions and emphatic gestures and hand and head motions. I have an article on exactly this (getting foreign girls despite not learning foreign languages) here: How to Get Foreign Girls.

Chase

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Leading when you are dependent?


Hey Chase,

This is something I've been struggling with for a while and I want to address it now. I'm not where I want to be right now. I've got no car, and no place of my own (staying with the parents).

I'm a college student and I've just realized that I might wanna stay in school a bit longer than I originally thought because my goals have changed.

The core of my issue is feeling less than because I am "dependant."

And, in many ways I am that's the reality. I live in SoCali so not having a car sticks out more than it would in an area like NYC where taking the subway is the norm.

The obvious thing for me to do is to GET those things handled lol. But what I wanted advice on is how can I deal with this issue in the interim?

Is there any things I should work on MORE because of my specific limitations. Because I'm tired of using this as my excuse to not approach certain girls.

So, do you have any ideas on dealing with this feeling of dependance. It's really effecting me on a mental level and I can feel it creeping it in when it comes to setting up dates or trying to close.

Much thanks,

JFav

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Leading and Dependence

Author

Hey J, long time!

The worst aspect of dependence is really the psychological impact, yeah. You can go to girls' places or have girls pick you up in their cars or whip up some impromptu logistics if you're feeling good and ignoring dependence issues, but if it starts creeping into your psyche it's hard. I've noticed myself, when I visit my parents' home and stay there for a few weeks, I always become a bit more subdued. It's like your testosterone naturally takes a hit as your body adjusts to no longer being the head rooster in the hen house anymore.

Of course, the number one recommendation is get your own place as soon as possible, but you might also start doing visualizations to train your brain to see yourself as independent, and you might also find something to start working on that allows you to become more of a leader naturally - a sport where you lead, some kind of dance (salsa, etc. - something where you're naturally leading women), your own business that you run. The more practice you get leading, the more of a leader you feel and become.

The final recommendation is to just soldier through it. Feel down, feel like you aren't a leader, feel dependent, then suck it up and push through it and go make yourself approach women anyway and get past it. As you start racking up successes, you'll begin building a default leadership role in your head from that alone. I haven't known a lot of them, but I have known a few guys who'd regularly pull new women despite living with their parents some or all of the time.

I've also known guys who were the traveling vagabond sort who never owned a home of their own and simply crashed with whatever girl they could pick up, or whatever person they could sweet talk into letting them stay at his place... while you probably don't want to be like those guys, it's an interesting example of a different way of seeing yourself - these guys essentially just see themselves as totally independent, not really owning their own place, and just staying with whatever girl or girls they're with at the moment. Sometimes these guys would stay with their folks too, but they never saw themselves as "living" there, just crashing there - but the secret of that I think is that they never stayed any one place too long.

If you're not up for travel and adventure just yet, I'd say:

  • Find ways to get yourself leading in other areas of life
  • Use visualizations to train your brain to see you as a leader and independent
  • Feel dependence / weakness in that area and soldier on regardless and fight through it

Chase

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RE: Leading and Dependence


First off thanks for the quick reply man. As I always say your one of the best at getting back to people. And more importantly doing it in an impactful way. Congrats on the new site design I'm loving it! And my mobile phone is liking it Better too ;)

The 21.95 (lol that number cracks me up) was a bummer at first but man if there's any site that deserves my money its this one. You give great quality articles and your products are top notch. So, I hope the future is bright for you all at Girls Chase!

On to business, thanks for the advice man. Amazing how just reading something can give a person a whole new outlook. I'll definitely work on the visualization of seeing myself as independent. Never thought of things in that way, especially with the whole 'crashing' versus 'living' angle. Very interesting take. I gotta creative with the way I describe myself these days. Not just for ladies but for my own personal gain.

And lastly thanks for the push, I definitely need to soldier on through this. Gotta accept my weaknesses and find a way to make them look insignificant or in some cases turn them into Strengths. Really inspiring comment hopefully I'll have some praise to share soon!

JFav out!

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I can relate much to this


I can relate much to this article..
because I think I'm smart enough and I'm socially awkward..
I hope the awkwardness would go off in the next years.

Now I can use this black and white thinking to decide quick..
I really had a lot of realizations in this..
Great article chase...

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Black and White Thinking for Quick Decision Making

Author

Luigi-

That's great to hear - lots of realizations and things to target for active improvement is what we're going for here!

Chase

Anonymous's picture

Hey Chase, I have been


Hey Chase,

I have been following your articles for a while and recently have had great success! I wish that your products were free but am more than happy to subscribe now! I was reminded of something when I just read your black/white post. There is an Asian girl I recently met at a cafe and I asked her for her number. Later, I asked her out on a coffee date and unfortunately had to leave early, even when I could tell she didn't want to. After about 3 days, I contacted her again for a followup dinner and at first she said:

"Hey, I am kinda busy this week, maybe next?"

to which I responded,

"lol, and when would you be free next week?"

After this message, she hasn't responded for the last 5 days.

I know that a lot of asian girls, because of their culture, may be harder to escalate with them. In this case, how would you even respond to her or has she lost interest already?

Thanks Chase!

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Responding to Counteroffers

Author

Anon-

Asian women can be more conservative, but they're all over the map - some of them are conservative, others are not... pretty similar to any other kind of girl, really! Particularly with Asian girls from Asia, many of them aren't used to more sexual / masculine men, simply because Asian culture discourages both men and women from cultivating their sexuality and striving towards a more "unisex" norm (e.g., Japanese women probably do more approaching than Japanese men), if you can get a strong sexual vibe going on about you this can be an even greater edge here than it is with other kinds of women (with whom it's also still one of the strongest edges you can get).

Your message back to her actually comes across almost sarcastic and "tool cool for school" to me... hers is a little brush off-y, but not too bad, but when you get that kind of thing you need to be really chill in your response. Like, "Cool - next week's perfect. What's your schedule like then?" In the context of her message to you and your response to her, the one you sent feels like something she'll look at and think is either a) defensive because you think she's rejecting you, or b) acting superior to her because you think you're better than her. She probably won't know which and will be a little confused. Your best bet is to give it a day or two, then call her some time when you're busy walking somewhere and just say, "Hey, Polly! It's Anon. Hey, I got your message that you're busy this week - when's good for you next week?" Get it nailed down as the first thing you do on the call so it's out of the way, then small talk with her for a few minutes, then tell her you'll see her Tuesday or whenever and bid her farewell.

You're basically going for a "surprise attack" to get a date time nailed down, then spend a little time making her feel good talking to you on the phone so that she's glad she agreed to see you, then get off the phone fast so that some intrigue builds for her to see you again in person.

Chase

Anonymous's picture

Chase, Thanks for the


Chase,

Thanks for the response! Really appreciate it! In cases where I have already waited a week, would you still call or text? Thanks!

Anonymous's picture

Hi Chase, If she doesn't


Hi Chase,

If she doesn't respond to the phonecall because she is working/class etc, do you leave messages or call/text? thanks!

Anonymous's picture

love stories


hey chase. What do you think of the love story theory?

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Love Stories

Author

Anon-

Can't say I'm familiar with it. If it's anything to do with telling love stories to women you're interested in, though... personally, it's been my experience it's best to refrain from talking about relationships at all with women you haven't slept with yet (unless they're telling you their own stories, which is borderline... can be okay, can be not, depending on how you handle it) - even if it's just to say that your relationships never work out or some such, the subtext you're communicating is that you're thinking "relationship" with this girl, not "lover," which causes her to put the brakes on so as to not ruin a good thing by gambling on fast sex.

Chase

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Business


Hey chase I just re read the article about dating in college and I'm very interested in starting my own business.. You wrote on the article that one must go out and find work for the models. My question is where do I find work for the models? Do I just work my ass off going to every business around my town trying to find someone that needs models? I'm very green with business but I know it would be more efficient if I have people coming to me for the models (law of least effort). Also how would I profit from this? Would it be like... Girls send me photos I take the photos to a buyer or whatever and they pay me and I give a cut of my money to the girl. Since I am green with business I'm sure taking a business class would help but is it necessary? Basically im wondering if there is anything to help me getting the business in the right direction and from there ill learn from my mistakes. Ill take anything you have to offer with the modeling or also about the party promoter. Both sound very interesting and fun.

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Modeling Business

Author

Phil-

The modeling business is fun, yeah. It's easier when starting out to get event gigs for your models than it is to get print jobs - there's just a lot of competition for print, and many of the established agencies are targeting these already. So if you're going to start your own, it's generally more productive (although certainly not easy) to visit the different businesses in town that might use models - nightclubs, trade shows, event planners, etc. - and start courting their business. The way you'd make money is that the client pays your agency for a gig, and you pay the models - the models work for you, and you find them work.

Obviously, all this is hard and most larger cities have established modeling agencies already that are grabbing all the more lucrative gigs, so you'll usually be starting at the bottom and scratching by. Most cities have no lack of talent - every girl wants to be a model - it's finding the work that's the most challenging part.

Another means of getting business is building and marketing a well-put together site that has portfolios for your talent and photos of gigs you've done, but it'll take time to put together a high polish site that's easily navigable, and time to market it so that it's getting in front of the right people, so usually you'll want to wait on that one until you've already got some business going on already and you're certain this is what you want to do.

Best recommendation I have though is get a job at an established modeling agency first - like any kind of job, you'll have a much easier time starting your own business down the line if you've already learned from the people who've been there and done that so you won't need to reinvent the wheel (and, so that when you start your own agency, you already have a list of contacts you've built relationships with who need talent for gigs).

My general rule of thumb on starting businesses these days is DON'T do it unless you're SURE you know how to get business and can do it. If you're not sure yet, go work for someone who's already doing it and see how they get people to pay them money for whatever it is they do, or hire / partner with someone who's already doing this or something similar and get them to teach you and build a business with you together.

Chase

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Psychology


Hey Chase,

Big fan of your work, I sure will be subscribing. I really enjoy how your articles talk about the psychology of men and women.

A problem we had with female friends in college, is well, frankly, a lot of female friends just aren't worth the drama. Me and my friends are pretty spontaneous and we usually never plan a day ahead. In college especially for lunch outings it was just eh whoever I see in the library is coming, or whoever responds to a text fast enough can come. The problem with bringing females into the mix? They would get really upset if they were excluded and would create drama. "How come you invited her and not me!?" It became so bad that we decided not to have female friends anymore, yet I still miss their company.

I guess my question is how do I do it right and avoid the drama? I flirted and created sexual tension with these girls a lot. I don't know its just really natural for me to be flirty around women. I remember I was talking to a girl with no intention of being or doing anything with her. We were just stuck in a group assignment together. Randomly she says "I have a boyfriend!" (which I find out later is true). In hindsight I guess I am just naturally too flirty. That may be the reason why they get too attached and dramatic? I don't know.

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Drama from Female Friends

Author

Anon-

Yeah, psychology's always been a personal interest. You go a lot farther in understanding and give yourself a lot more flexible if you understand the why behind people's actions, I firmly believe, and not just the what. It also makes you more empathetic by nature - instead of being one of those confused, tortured souls who sits there and laments about how all women are terrible, you get to say, "Oh, *I* see why she does that. Makes total sense. Now I know how to adjust so that she doesn't think and act that way with me."

Female drama is sort of one of those things you need to build a tolerance for. Girls will also be emphatic about things that you might mistake for upset but really they're just being emphatic just because it's fun and promotes bonding. That may be confusing if you're not used to that... I'm guilty of very emphatically saying, "Gah, you didn't invite me! I totally would've come!" to people... women get excited and energetic over this, and some guys do, but some guys get this "deer in the headlights" look like, "Oh... did I just screw up?" I have to give them a slap on the arm and tell them to chill out, I'm just kidding them, but most girls aren't going to defuse the tension like this. The reason you do that is not so much to make the person feel bad for not inviting you, but to communicate that you'd like them to invite you to future things. So whether she acts surprised or sad, the communication really is, "Hey - invite me next time, too!" They're seeking inclusion and telling you they like spending time with you. If it bothers you... well, just don't tell them about things you're doing without them ;)

The "I have a boyfriend!" reaction is just a reaction from a somewhat socially awkward girl who was feeling uncomfortable and didn't know how else to respond. If you're flirty, that will happen sometimes - usually it's a sign you need to get a little smoother, but sometimes it happens with a girl who's inexperienced with men and simply can't stand the tension.

Chase

Dale's picture

Not all that familiar with


Not all that familiar with Gandhi, but Lincoln's join us or it's war is as extreme as anything Mohammed or Jesus said.

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Extreme vs. Black/White

Author

Dale-

It is extreme, as in "throwing out negotiations and escalating to force," agreed - but bear in mind extremism is often a different bird than black and white. Black and white is an internal decision to see another party as either morally pure or morally bankrupt - "You're good or you're bad."

You can and often will make extreme decisions without black and white thinking - for instance, some poor kid in a third world country may steal your wallet, and you chase down and corner the kid. You then ask for your wallet back, and he refuses. So you say, "Look, I know you're poor, and I understand why you stole my wallet, and I realize you're probably not a bad person. But I'm still going to have to beat the stuffing out of you if you don't hand it back right away." In that case, you're resorting to the extreme measure of force, but you're not branding the thief as evil and an "other," either in your words or in your own mind. He's simply someone you're in conflict with, and you've chosen to resort to force as your means of conflict resolution here.

Chase

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