What to Do with Your Girlfriend on Valentine's Day


This is part of a two-part series on Valentine's Day I'm releasing this year since we haven't really gone into the subject in any great depth before. Today's is "What to Do with Your Girlfriend on Valentine's Day," for all the attached beaus out there, and, early Thursday morning, I'll release, "How to Pick Up a Girl on Valentine's Day," for the gents who are single and looking.

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I want to start this series with what Valentine's Day is in the West these days, and what it means to women, and why you should care about that.

After we cover that aspect of it, we'll have a look at how to treat the holiday if you're already in a relationship (or relationships!), and how to tackle it if you aren't.

Here we go.


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A brief history lesson first.

There are no recorded ties between Valentine's Day and love or romance prior to Geoffrey Chaucer's Parlement of Foules in 1382, in which the poet mentions birds mating on the holiday. It was generally seen as mid-February that birds began mating as spring began appearing.

In the Middle Ages a tradition (condemned by the Church) appeared in Europe of men drawing women's names from jars on Valentine's Day to select a random sex partner. A little later, the holiday morphed from being one of casual sex to one of romance, and letter-writing and poetry on Valentine's became popular... by the end of the 18th century, there were books with Valentine's Day lovers' poems for men who lacked the creativity to come up with their own.

In early 19th century England, paper Valentine's Day cards became immensely popular, and in 1847 an American woman named Esther Howland began to mass produce valentines for an American public, and the holiday soon became the commercialized holiday it is in the English-speaking world now... setting the tone for the commercialization of other holidays soon thereafter.


What Valentine's Day Means Today

Valentine's Day has shifted into something of a reminder for single women in the West of their success or failure at landing a committed boyfriend. Emotions generally work out like this:

  • A woman in a committed long-term relationship who's been in that relationship for sometime hardly notices Valentine's Day, most of the time. "Oh, Valentine's Day?" she'll think. "That's nice. I hope Bruce gets me some flowers and chocolates this year."

  • A woman who's just started a relationship relatively recently feels a great deal of pressure around Valentine's Day, oftentimes. "Oh my," she'll think, "is Kevin going to get me something really special for Valentine's? Or, is there a chance he doesn't want to do anything at all?" For her, the day is something of a validation (or not) of how "real" (or not) her relationship is. An underwhelming Valentine's Day can sometimes even lead to depression and breakups, if it's taken as a sign that the male of the partnership isn't nearly as committed to that partnership as she'd thought or hoped or desired.

  • A woman who's single on Valentine's Day feels anything from sadness and loneliness and depression to indignation and resentment at the holiday and a desire to push it away and tell the world how much she doesn't need either it OR relationships (usually depending on which of the four kinds of girls she is... soft feels sad, strong gets angry). Either way, she has a negative emotional reaction to the holiday that's nested in her feeling alone on a day that, culturally, she's supposed to be sharing with a loyal, devoted male.

girlfriend valentine's dayValentine's is a heavily woman-centric holiday. Everything is in pinks, purples, and reds not because those are "the colors of love," but because they're colors that women tend to like and respond to more than men (there's actually research showing that female infants have a stronger preference for pink than male infants do... go figure).

And, the net effect of the holiday is that it puts pressure on women to be in committed relationships.

Societies that are more commitment-centric than Western culture often have ways of seconding this holiday motion. For instance, in China, Valentine's Day is celebrated as in the West... but so too is another holiday, called "Singles' Day," celebrated on November 11th (11/11... all "ones" in the date). My understanding is it began as a purely commercial holiday (stores wanting another excuse to sell more cards and gifts), but it became a cultural fixture because Chinese put so much pressure on singles to marry quickly. The effect of it is that people in relationships don't even notice, but singles on singles day (especially the women) just end up feeling "singled out," lonely, and depressed.

These are cultural tools for pressuring women into committed relationships. In that way, Valentine's Day is something of an artifact from bygone days when it was culturally acceptable (and encouraged) in the West for parents and other older, experienced individuals to instruct their daughters that they needed to get serious and get committed before their looks began to fade and all the good men available to them got snapped up by someone else.

And even though this is now politically incorrect to say, and women are taught, cruelly and misleadingly (in the name of "freedom and equality"), that just like men they have "all the time in the world," they still hear the ticking of their biological clocks and see the wrinkles forming on their faces as they grow older, and notice the decline in the quality of their dating options as they pass certain milestones in age, and the holiday serves as something of a harsh reminder of the fact that pretending the world is a way does not actually make it that way.

You might call Valentine's Day one of the few remaining cultural relics that snaps women back to reality from the modern hustle and bustle of flashing lights and non-stop news and music and controversy and 24/7 on-demand workplace availability of the modern world and forces them to take a look at what really matters, biologically-speaking: their progress toward finding and securing a mate with whom they can raise a family.

And, like any time you are rudely snapped out of a busy and engaging fantasy and plunged back down into a harsh, cruel reality, it frequently isn't pleasant.


A Sudden Spike in Emotions

The ability to be in a committed long-term relationship with a desirable, subjectively "high quality" partner is something that feels more out-of-their-hands than in-their-control for most people, simply because most never learn how to find the right girl or guy, and most never learn how to build a relationship. It either "just happens," or it doesn't.

And control has everything to do with emotions:

  • The more in your control something feels, the less emotionally it affects you either way, because you know that you can go out and change it to how you want it more or less at your leisure; meanwhile,

  • The less in your control something feels, the more powerful the emotions you feel around it - you feel heartbroken, bitter, depressed, or crushed when you don't have it or can't get it, and ecstatic, euphoric, uplifted, and like the luckiest person in the world when you do have it or get it.

For most men, sex is like this.

For most women, relationships are like this.

There are women out there with abundance mindsets - these are the women who have enough women around them constantly that they never really want for a relationship if they need it. However, I've never met nor heard of a woman with absolute abundance, simply because the normal female strategy for having access to men interested in relationships is keeping a collection of men around her in orbit, but the kinds of men women really want to date never hang around them in orbit. Thus, you'll find women who have ready access relationships, but virtually none who have ready access to relationships with men they deem high quality.

So, when I say that Valentine's Day is a holiday that affects single and newly-dating women powerfully nearly across the board, I mean it.

Most women will try to brush it off like they don't care, presenting a tough exterior to the outside world... and then they retreat home to their apartments and bury themselves in a tubful of ice cream.

Just because you don't see it doesn't mean the emotion isn't there.


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Because it's a day she's likely got a lot of (hidden, probably) emotions swirling about regarding, Valentine's Day is one you want to approach with a certain eye to the effects of how you go about it.

If you've been in a committed relationship for a while (that is, more than a year... i.e., you've already celebrated Valentine's at least once before already), the holiday really isn't much of a big deal. You can get your girl:

  • Flowers and chocolates
  • A nice cooked dinner (cooked by you)
  • Some kind of memorable, creative gift
  • Nothing, and just spend the day talking and relaxing with her

I actually like flowers and chocolates here, despite the fact that it's cliché; while normally I'd tell you to avoid clichés like the plague, in this case, doing something that tells her you put some effort into it while not making it a big deal and not really caring a whole heck of a lot actually communicates a very decent message ("I remembered, I know it's kind of important to you, so here's a token message to show you I care, but also this isn't a big deal to me").

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You can also skip holidays altogether if you tell girlfriends from the start that you do not celebrate holidays. I had a friend who used to tell women from the very beginning that he did not celebrate holidays, and objected to the very idea of them, and would instead play video games on a holiday and not see anyone (this, incidentally, made it much easier for him to juggle dating multiple women in committed relationships; I'll tell you why in a moment).

However, if you do not entirely abstain from the holidays, you're more or less obligated to do SOMETHING with girls on this day.

Otherwise, you can find yourself in for a butting of heads.

Below, we'll have a look at a couple of scenarios: what to do with a woman you're only casually seeing... and what to do with a woman you're seeing seriously, when the relationship is still relatively new.


Valentine's Day: No Love for the Uncommitted

Many a casual sexual relationship has ended not long after Valentine's Day, for the reason that the male (rightly) did not see his casual partner on the holiday (so as not to give her the wrong idea), and the female (introspectively) decided that this casual relationship she was in was wasting her time and distracting her from her newly-remembered goal of finding the man of her dreams.

Valentine's Day frequently has that effect on uncommitted partnerships.

So, should you see a casual partner on the holiday then, to make sure she doesn't leave?

Dear God, no. If you do that, you've effectively elevated a girl in one fell swoop from casual partner to serious girlfriend. It's quite an upgrade... and probably wasn't what you intended to do.

Prepare yourself for a lot of headaches, a lot more drama, and either a reining in of your freedoms or an explosive breakup that never should've needed to happen that way a little farther on down the road.

Unfortunately, there's no 100% solution to handling Valentine's Day in uncommitted relationships. It's going to occur on February 14th, she's going to reflect on her current relationships (and feel bad that they aren't a committed relationship with a dream guy), and she's going to question whether she should be in them or they're just proving a distraction.

If you're in a casual relationship on Valentine's Day, do not:

  1. Call her
  2. Text her
  3. Invite her to come over
  4. Invite yourself over to her place
  5. Send her flowers
  6. Send her a gift
  7. Send her an email
  8. Correspond with her or contact her in any way

... from Valentine's Day itself until at least two days after the holiday has ended.

What you're doing here is basically making your footprint as tiny as possible and removing anything within your control that may cause her an emotional response.

She may still have one anyway. You may contact her a few days after Valentine's, only to find her in a funk and in no mood to come see you... or telling you she needs to figure out what she wants with her life or what she's doing with herself. That happens sometimes.

The only thing you can do to semi-avoid this (short of upgrading her to "girlfriend" status and seeing her on V-Day) is seeing her the night before Valentine's Day... and giving her some really great sex. If she's just had a round of good, satisfying sex the night before, she's often going to be too relaxed and too satisfied to let Valentine's get to her all that much. While all her single friends are moping and weeping, she'll shrug and go about her business.


What to Do with Your Girlfriend on Valentine's Day

Now, let's say you're in a relatively new relationship - and this is your first Valentine's Day together.

If it's been less than a month since you started seeing each other, unless you got off to a very fast start, you're in the clear; you probably don't need to spend Valentine's together, assuming the relationship still isn't well defined and the two of you aren't yet treating one another like boyfriend-girlfriend.

Any other set of circumstances, though, and you need to do something "meaningful" on the holiday.

Why? Can't you just skip it? And what if your girl has told you that it's okay... it's not really a big deal to her?

Yeah, don't buy it. If you listen to that, you're on a freight train heading off a cliff. Don't be silly, now.

When a girl tells you, "It's okay, it's not really a big deal to me," what this actually means is either:

  1. She wants to play it down so that when you do something, she'll know it's real and from you, and not because she pushed you to do it, and/or

  2. She's caught up in the hubbub of her daily life or not very in touch with her emotions (if she's a more logical type), and won't realize this is going to matter to her... until it does, and she finds herself sitting there moping and tearing through a tub of ice cream regardless of whether she thought it would matter to her before or not.

So what happens if you have a girlfriend, and you don't see her for Valentine's Day?

Well, this happens:

  • She sits at home, alone, by herself

  • She wonders why, if she has a boyfriend, she is by herself on a day when boyfriends and girlfriends spend time together in happiness and love

  • She reasons that this relationship is not actually a "real" one

  • She begins to write you off, see your words and actions as an attempt to deceive her into hanging around in a relationship that isn't taking her where she wants to go, and gradually pull more and more away

Don't want that to happen? Then don't leave your girlfriend high and dry on Valentine's Day.

The good news is, you don't need to do something crazy special or expensive. You don't need to fly her to Fiji. You don't need to buy her a new car. You don't need to have one of those planes that writes "Scott + Carly 4Ever" in the sky in white smoke fly by her house.

There's only one thing you really need to give her to stop this entire process of the Valentine's Day mopes:

Time.

Give her time with you, in-person, and she will be reassured.

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It doesn't even need to be a lot of time. You don't have to spend all day with her. You don't need to spend all night with her. You just need to spend a little time, hug her, kiss her, take her to bed, and reassure her that, yes, you care about her.

Then - even if you only spent a few hours talking with her, having a meal with her, and making love to her, and then you went back home to do some work or get to bed early because you have an early day tomorrow - she'll be reassured that she isn't alone, and she is on the trajectory she wants to be on.


Should You Ever Get Gifts - and If So, What Kinds?

Valentine's Day is not your girl's birthday, and it isn't Christmas or any other holiday. It's a manufactured holiday focused on love. It's not personal. It's a little silly and contrived, actually.

Therefore, my recommendation is that, while you do give your girlfriend some of your time (to avoid her having a Valentine's Day meltdown... even if she tells you she won't have one), you also make it NOT a big deal.

Unless you want to be seen as the hopeless romantic trying to romance a girl in a big way who really only ends up chasing women, that is.

Therefore, if you want to give gifts, you're absolutely fine going with any of the gifts listed earlier for committed couples who've been together for over a year:

  • Flowers and chocolates
  • A nice cooked dinner (cooked by you)
  • Some kind of memorable, creative gift
  • Nothing, and just spend the day talking and relaxing with her

Most of those are self-explanatory, but what's a "memorable, creative gift?"

A handful of Valentine's, I've gotten some of these for girlfriends. One was a gift I made in a hurry when a girlfriend was on her way over with a gift for me, and I'd completely forgotten the holiday and needed something impromptu, fast. So, I created a basic HTML webpage with some pink hearts in the background and four photographs of us, plus a quick poem I wrote up split into four lines, one line under each photograph. A little sappy, perhaps, but I was young and I wanted something nice and creative. The reaction for that was probably one of the best reactions I've ever had for a gift.

I also like to have personalized gifts when I buy gifts. e.g., a heart-shaped locket with a photo and a message inside, or a snow globe with a photo of us and a little poem inscribed on it. There are a variety of websites that sell gifts you can have personalized and shipped to you.

But those were when I was a bit younger and a bit more romantic... I wouldn't do anything like that any more. It creates too many emotions, builds expectations up too high, and makes girls fall in love with you a little too much.

Which means stronger good emotions so long as the relationship is a strong, healthy one... and stronger bad emotions when/if the relationship ever spirals into unhealth and disrepair.


A Day for Lovers

Ultimately, I tend to see Valentine's Day as more a crisis to be averted than a day to be celebrated, for anyone in any kind of relationship other than an older committed one. In casual relationships where the girl wants more, and in new relationships where she doesn't exactly know what to expect yet, her emotions will be doing somersaults prior to "the day."

Your goal - at least, the goal I recommend for you - ought to be to calm things down and take away the emotional extremes your woman is feeling.

In so doing, you lessen the day's impact - either to drive a woman into despair and depression, making her want to break up with you, or into ecstasy and euphoria, making her want to marry you on the spot.

For a calm, rewarding, pressure-free relationship, this is the best outcome you can hope to achieve.

You can always go overboard and be romantic if you want - but be aware that you set that precedent for the rest of the relationship, and you'll be expected to be a romantic who moves her swiftly along the road to commitment and everlasting romance.

Choose the path that best suits your goals and objectives - calm things down, if you want a calm, contented relationship, or stir things up, if you want an emotionally wild one on the fast track to commitment or bust - and, most of all, happy Valentine's Day.

And if you're single this time around, be sure to tune in in a couple of days to find out how to lift the spirits (and the skirts) of a lucky lady (or two) in need of a little comfort and consolation this February 14th.

Yours,
Chase

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Anonymous's picture

As much as I appreciate it,


As much as I appreciate it, why wait until thurs morn to release the article! I plan on going out wed night and I'll be at work all day thurs....I'd love to read the article earlier and get a head start on planning my evenings!

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Why Wait?

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Anon-

Would if I could..! I'll be in transit most of today, so won't have time to put the finishing touches on this one until late tonight / early tomorrow. The considerations in this one are mostly target selection, logistical (when to go out), and a little bit of how to broach the holiday in conversation. So, more tweaks than overhauls - nothing that should impact your Wednesday night, either ;)

Chase

MisterX's picture

V-day game


hey, Chase
great article, really enjoyed it

After reading the part that V-day snaps girls in to reality that they are single and still haven't found a man, I'm left with the impression that around valentines day (before it, on the day, and the coming days after) girls are more interested in men and dating, and looking beautiful to attract a mate, and will be more receptive to being approached and asked on dates.
And actually more eager to find the man of their dreams.

So unless I'm wrong it should be easier to pick up girls around valentines day.

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Girls Looking for Mates

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MisterX-

Right you are - but, there's a bit of a catch on the "when" of when around the holidays women really start being more receptive to men, and how the reactions differ among different girls. However, more on that shortly...

Chase

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Chase, So I just realized


Chase,

So I just realized after reading this that I inadvertently scheduled for 2 different girls to come over to my place on the 15th and 16th, having no idea that Valentine's Day was upon us (shows how much I care about the 'holiday')... I am in very casual, uncommitted relationships with both of these girls right now. I see them on average once a week, per Ricardus' advice in "How to date multiple women." I have even communicated to both of them that I'm not looking for a girlfriend right now and was met with the same response from both girls.

1) Should I be worried about anything here?
2) Should I avoid bringing up the holiday altogether when they are over?
3) And if THEY bring it up, should I say something like, "Oh, haha! I didn't even realize that Thursday was Valentine's Day! That holiday is only for people in relationships anyway..."

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Inadvertent Scheduling

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Ryan-

I wouldn't be too worried. It'd be better to put them off a few days, but now that you have them scheduled I'd refrain from changing anything.

Don't mention the holiday, and if they bring it up, just grunt and tell them you don't believe in Valentine's Day (or that Valentine's is a religion to which you do not subscribe).

Don't say, "That's only for people in relationships...!" as that's a little too cutting, depending on the girl and her emotions, as it implies you have NO relationship with her - something that people can take the wrong way. Even if it's only a casual relationship, it's still a relationship, and feelings can get hurt if that relationship is dismissed offhandedly.

Keep it to your own preferences ("Valentine's Day... bah! I call it 'drinking day'"), and you'll be fine.

Chase

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I have never had a Girlfriend


I have never had a Girlfriend on valentine's day, so the concept of the holiday is foreign to me.

My relationships have been short, and have come before or after the day of suppossed love. But I am not oppossed to Valentine's day. I think it means more to women than men.

But I can't wait to read up on the article on how to snap up the single ladies on Valentine's day. Will definetly put the skills to use when you post it up Chase.

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Great to hear it, Maxz. That'll be up shortly - hope it helps you do some snapping up!

Chase

Pat's picture

Valentine day question


Chase,

Two part question,

A girl I've been seeing Issa ing town tonight and I have contacted her today. But I made and to see her on Friday....

Questions are should I send her a text to let her know that I am thinking of her? I like to keep I like because we haven't committed to each other.

Another question is, I want to spend more time with her but don't wan to get to serious to fast. I know this girls likes me, but I'm on the fence of a new relationship and not wanting to move to fast in the Serious relationship category but enjoy building it up over time. Do you feel that not spending time with her on V day will cause her to withdraw? But I am seeing her in Friday.... In a weird spot, let me know

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Not Seeing Her on Valentine's

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Pat-

How she reacts to not seeing you on Valentine's depends on a couple of different factors: how new the relationship is, what her own feelings are about the holiday are, and what she thinks you're doing instead.

So long as you have a pretty reasonable reason why you're too busy or tired or booked to go out on Valentine's, you should be fine if the relationship is under 2 1/2 months or so, most likely.

Sending her a text may be okay, but you may want to play it off like you didn't even realize. e.g., "Janet, just got told by one of my coworkers today is Valentine's Day - :S Well, happy Valentine's! I'm at work until 8 PM tonight and have an early morning tomorrow, so no impromptu plans, but happy holiday anyway - & see you tomorrow!"

Chase

Anonymous's picture

Off topic - but how to better read women?


Great article. My comment is totally off topic but I have a problem, and I think other guys that aren't yet as advanced as you may be in the same boat.

I used be VERY judgmental but I've worked to move toward more neutral territory since I know no one is perfect. And so while I grow this personality ethic, I've found that some women that I don't have instant chemistry with, I still consider giving a chance (for a second date) if she has other qualities going for her... I stay hopeful that things would get better next time, and if they don't then get rid of her. But it seems like this mentality may end up making me waste more time than I care to.

I recently used this mentality on a woman that wasn't an instant hit and it turned out that she was actually dating just to date. Zero interest whatsoever. Granted I met her on an online dating site, so I had no physical-contact reference points prior to going out. Usually women that I meet out and about -- if we hit it off then things are good once we go on a date. But online is a coin toss. Anyway this woman was good! She sent off non-verbal signals as if she was interested - answering my deep-dive questions, smiling, touching, flirting, responding to my chase-frames etc. All the while she was using me, practicing how to become a better dater, wasting my time.

I'm not the only guy to encounter this I've found out. And it's not a big deal, I'm taking it on the chin, but from a law of least-effort standpoint, there has to be a mechanism (or two), a reliable one, to test whether or not a woman is wasting your time or practicing (since paying attention to non-verbal indicators may not be good enough).

One way reliably to tell how interested a woman is to simply command them to act toward getting more intimate -- kissing or inviting them home and see if they ACT upon the invitations. But see the thing is, there's multiple ways they can say 'no.' She could give some bs excuse -- which is a reliable indicator that she isn't that into it, or it could truly be that she hasn't yet warmed up. Why get rid of a woman (who has a few things going for her) that hasn't fully warmed up on a first date? Maybe this is my mistake, holding on to this mentality that women need more than 2 hours on a date to warm up to becoming somewhat sexual with me. Some do, some don't, I can usually tell which ones are wasting my time, but this recent chick caught me by surprise!

Currently, I'm not as skeptical of women as women are of men, and I am not as aggressive in screening women out from just one interaction. I understand why women are skeptical... they understandably don't want to have babies with the 'wrong' guy. Sometimes I just know someone isn't going to work out. But other times it's coin toss (like mrs. practicer mentioned above), and in these instances instead of listening to the gut-level "she isn't making feel out-of-control excited" I instead say to myself I never know what I'm leaving on the table -- she seems fun enough and I'm just hopeful. But it can very well be I need to be more aggressive and ruthless with women, and look for the "out-of-control" gut-level "nearly fearful but certainly excited" feeling since there are women everywhere in my city. Problem is I've only felt this way about a woman TWICE in my life. And those women went on to become the most awesome girlfriends ever. But I'm less fazed by women these days and seemingly I've tamped down my enthusiasm -- so waiting on this emotion isn't going to cut it...

Now when I invited her out again (getting her to act) this is how I came to find out that she was practicing, and so I promptly moved on, but in the future I don't want me or any other guy I know to waste any more effort (txt messages, etc) than necessary on a woman at all. There reaches a point where a man can do no more with women than his current best. All he can do then is sit back and evaluate what's going on. Evaluating is a skill that I'm trying to get better at. How do you evaluate women? Do you a process -- a series of questions you ask yourself? Do you do so in real-time? What if you're on-the-fence about a girl, what do you do in real-time to evaluate whether you should continue with her or decide that you have to get up early tomorrow ;) ?

Great site and I appreciate what you do man.

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Target Selection

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Anon-

You're talking about something that's a favorite topic of mine, actually - reactions vs. results.

My #1 prescription for figuring out how "real" she is is continually escalating things and pushing things forward. That means, get her on a date if it's virtual; get investment, move her, invite her home, and physically escalate with her if she's in person.

One thing you realize after you've been doing this for a long time is that excuses are usually not legitimate. With every excuse you get, you just dial down the amount of time you're investing, until the only contact you ever have with her is just to ask her out (until you throw the towel in on her). If she likes you, she'll come out with you / move with you / come home with you. If she doesn't, no amount of talking, courting, or cajoling is going to change that.

A few of the articles you can check out here for more on this:

The first is the mindset, and the second two will get you focused more on getting women investing and escalating that investment rapidly.

Chase

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Dinner dates/girl small talk


Hey Chase,

If you go out to dinner, is this a case where you should pay? And if we just stay at home and I cook dinner (or don't), won't she be disappointed seeing all the other couples at romantic French restaurants with their $50 fixed price dinners? I don't think I need to spend a lot of money to show her that I care about her, but I don't want to be a grinch who won't splurge for a day for her, either.

One unrelated observation/question: in classes and such, girls small talk a lot, very fluently. Guys don't seem to do this much with each other, though, and ones who do it with the girls aren't necessarily the ones getting the girls. So there's no need to feel like I should join in and be that social with the guys or girls - I can instead just follow the usual process on this site. Am I right? Not sure if I worded that so clearly...

Oh, and I tried remembering what I talked about last with someone I hadn't seen in a while, and it worked great! Thanks for the helpful advice.

Best,
The M

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Dinner Dates and Small Talk

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M-

Glad to hear it on the person you hadn't seen in a while! Nothing to get things rolling again like picking up where you left off.

On dinner - you can go out if you like. If you pay, it's better if that's your gift to her, and she's gotten you something else (even if it's of lesser financial value). But you're fine not going out and cooking at home, too, unless you've established a pattern in the relationship of going out to restaurants regularly. If you have a "restaurant routine," then yes, you probably need to go out for it to not feel weird. Otherwise, dining at home's perfectly fine.

On the small talk, you're right - the guys who are gossiping usually aren't the same as the guys getting the girls. Girls like strong and silent much more than they do gabby and gossipy... so long as the strong silent guy makes a move and steps up to the plate when it counts, of course.

Chase

Anonymous's picture

Nice article. And a story


Nice article.

And a story (and question):

I had been dating a girl, moved a little too slow and didn't close soon enough. She got cold and fell asleep on me completely. Friend-zoning me, or trying to at least. I quit talking to her, and out of the blue one day she makes a fairly generous donation to my web page for a charity event I'm involved with. I felt compelled to thank her, so I did (rather calmly, just a thank you and you didn't have to do that). She then - this is via text mind you - exclaims "oh shit!" and tells me the donation was "supposed" to be "anonymous". Hmm sure it was. So I try to open the conversation further and she shuts it down immediately with a one word response. Oh well, not a big deal. But, what is the psychology behind that? If she was just trying to get a rise out of me - I hope it was worth her money.

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"Anonymous" Donation

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Anon-

It's hard to say. Depends a lot on how big the charity is, if she knows you're involved, etc. However, people don't usually donate money just to get in contact with someone... this may be a case of she was cyberstalking you out of idle curiosity, saw the charity, thought it was a good one, and then donated, not realizing you'd know the money came from her. If she's shutting it down, it doesn't sound like she's trying to leave any doors open.

The most likely psychology was, she probably just wanted to donate to the charity, unless there are other complicating factors involved. No need worrying too much about non-responsive women - just write her off, get back up on the saddle again, and move onto the next girl.

Chase

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I guess you could say I'm


I guess you could say I'm "looking", but I never go out on holidays.

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Thanks


Thank you for this article, I have been looking forward to hearing your thoughts on this for some time now. I have always been of the mindset that VDay is kind of silly, but because it is important to virtually every girl, it seems like it would be a disaster to not celebrate this with an exclusive girlfriend. Also, it seems risky for setting precedents for the rest of the relationship, as a man going overboard or doing nothing would seem to subconsciously tell the girl that this is what she should expect from the man all the time (and if he fails to keep giving in the future, this could be seem as a sign of failure on his part).

I fall into the "relatively new relationship" category, and am seven months in. You mentioned that the most important thing to do is spend time with her, and also give small gifts like flowers, a cooked dinner, or a personalized item. For gift giving, do you recommend doing just one, or is it okay to do all three? Would doing all three set the wrong kinds of romantic expectations?

Another question, mainly since I am curious: for casual relationships, you mentioned that you should not contact her unless it's the day before (for sex) or two days after. Well, what happens if she contacts you on VDay, or presses you to celebrate it with her, even though it is just a casual relationship?

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Gifts / Casual Correspondence

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Ozz-

I suppose this comes a little late; hopefully you made out fine regardless.

The preference I think would be that if you're getting flowers and chocolates, she cooks dinner, but it depends on what she gets you then, too. If it's one-sided, it seems a bit much. If she gets you something nice, then flowers, chocolates, and dinner all feels a little too romantic to me on a romantic holiday, but it won't kill you.

If a casual partner contacts you on Valentine's Day... well, depends on what she has to say. If it's a "fishing for something" text, be nice, but non-committal. If it's to wish you happy Valentine's Day, you can write back with something along the lines of, "I'm not much of one for holidays... but Happy V-Day to you regardless, Susie!"

Chase

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Some questions


Hi Chase, I have a few questions.
1. Does it matter what you really say when opening? I rack my head of trying not to say the wrong thing which makes me not say anything at all.

2. I always have a bad day dream a girls gonna yell at me or call me a creep or something embarrassing. Am I making it more than what it is are girls mean like that?

3. How can I not worry about what others think? I worry if people will see if I fail or if the girl will tell people about my failed attempt. How can I stop worrying about this?

4. I have a giant ego and I'm a perfectionist. I try to make everything perfect including what I say and the steps I take during my pick ups. My ego is so big that I won't approach just to keep my ego intact and not get rejected. How can I solve this problem?

5. How do you get a quick lay? I'm so horny right now it's driving me crazy. I dont want to sleep with an unattractive girl, get a prostitute, or choke my chicken.
What's the easiest and fastest way for a new guy like me who hasn't been able to hone these skills yet to get a quick lay before I end up doing something I will feel disgusted about later? And social circle is not an option.

Sorry for all the questions but I just wanted to get these out since they were in my mind.
Thanks appreciate it.

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Wolf-

Best answer to all of these is, "Get more field experience." Get out there and start meeting more new girls.

Girls never snap at you... I've talked to many thousands of women and never had it happen once. I've had a few girls (usually ugly girls) try to paint me as socially awkward... but, usually in situations where I was being socially awkward, and they were simply spiteful people who got kicks out of trying to make others feel bad. Good for them, happy to move on.

Opening matters most for you... if you believe in an opener, it'll work. It's sort of like magic that way. So pick something you like that feels great, and use it. Once you know what you're doing, it doesn't matter, because you can say anything the right way. But when you're new, you need enthusiasm over the opener in order to get the right fundamentals happening naturally to pull it off convincingly.

On rejection and not caring - you can reduce this with exposure, but you probably won't ever lose it completely, even if you become very skilled and take a number of lovers. See this article:

How to Act When a Girl Rejects You

On quick lays... well, that's sort of like asking, "How can I beat this video game really quickly that I've never played before? I just want to beat it really bad," or, "How do I win a game of chess against a middle-ranked opponent? I've never played before, but I really want to beat him." I can tell you the general steps and strategies, but if you haven't taken the time to hone those skills yet, you'll be swimming in a sea of overwhelm because your brain hasn't been exposed to the patterns of the environments you're picking up in and how a normal pickup goes down and what to expect in real life and how to respond to it immediately. You need time, repeated exposure, and dedication to do something fast.

Check out these posts to get you started:

How to Pick Up a Girl

How to Get Girls: The Last Post You'll Ever Need

How to Use Indirect Game to Get Girls

Chase

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Girls having bf's all the time.


Hey Chase it's me again, I totally forgot the main question I wanted to ask which was about girls saying they have boyfriends during the pick up.
If your picking up a girl and she says she has a bf what do you say? I know this could be a test to see how strong you are. My usually answer use to be "you can't have friends" which really didn't work. Tell me what I can do about this please.

Also, it seems like every girl really has a legitimate bf or significant other. How am I suppose to get these girls if they're already taken one way or another?

Sorry for the second post, I just forgot a question.

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Girls friends


Hey chase,

Great articles as always. Your posts have helped me with my game a lot over the last couple months. But I have question, it's not really on topic with this post and I have no idea of there is a post on this already but here it goes! So I'm in highschool. Senior, graduating in few months. There was this girl I was interested in, I went fast, asked her out twice actually before dropping her, and while I made mistakes as a beginner still I learned a lot from the situation. But anyway, over the last few months I've become good friends with her, but at this point I'm over her, but I have taken an interest in one of her good friends recently. Now my question is how would one go about moving the friend of a girl you've already tried and gamed before? I would imagine it's the same basic process, but also I don't want this girl talking her friend out of doing anything with me due to me already asking her out before, because it's still highschool and girls can cause a lot of drama over that.

Hope you can answer this, and sorry for being off topic.

Peace,
Chris

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Trading Off to Someone Else

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Chris-

That's a delicate situation, if simply for the fact that women tend to like having men in the orbiter role (for safety, security, a backup plan, etc.), and sometimes act out against or even sabotage those men's attempts to date other women when they can.

How you proceed depends some on her personality, then. If she's a calm, more logical person, and she really honestly does value her as a friend, talking with her honestly and saying, "Look, let's be frank: you only just like me as a friend and have zero romantic interest in me, right?" and when she says yes, say, "Okay, because I like Charlotte and I'm going to ask her out, and I just want to make sure that you and I will still be cool."

If she's emotional and if you have even the slightest hint that she may value you more as a backup plan than as a human being, then I'd advise not saying anything to her and begin dating that other girl in secret, telling that girl at the same time not to say anything to her friend or let it get around unless she wanted to face that girl's ire. It'll come out at some point, but hopefully not until after the relationship's secure and you're set to weather any storms caused by a jealous friend.

Chase

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Trading Off


Chase,

That's exactly what I was afraid of, partly due to the reason they are best friends, and I know she's told her friend that I asked her out back when I did, so that's another concern that the friend might just decline because I pursued her friend at one point.

Although, I do believe the girl I did go for previously is more a calm, logical person. Mainly because after I did ask her out, she never made a big deal or had that "I hate you" attitude. We both just moved on from it and became friends.

So I will talk to her before I do anything. Also while I have become good friends with her, I've also made sure to keep myself just out of orbit of being her "backup plan". After I asked her out twice and got a no both times I pretty much dropped her from being a possible love interest. I would have just dropped her all together from the face of the earth, but we are class mates and I do have to see and talk to her everyday.

Chris

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