Telling Women You're NOT Boyfriend Material
Last weekend I spoke at a gathering of the San Diego pickup community. One of the things I skirted over briefly, due to time constraints, but that guys asked me to spend a little more time on and seemed very interested in hearing about, was on disqualifying yourself as a boyfriend.
Why would any guy trying to get girls want to make girls not want to date him? Well, in answer to that, the long and short of it is this: women and men have different things to consider when it comes to having sex with someone new. And for women, the question of whether or not she wants a man as a boyfriend can muddy up the picture and make the decision to sleep with a guy quickly not so clear-cut.
Deciding whether or not to have sex with some girl we like is easy for us guys. Go out, get laid with the girl you hit it off with as soon as possible, and, if you like her, start dating her. For girls, it isn't so straightforward. If a gal likes a guy, she typically wants to make sure she DOESN'T jump into the sack too fast with him. Because us men being what we are, we naturally tend to value women who sleep with us quickly lower than women it takes us longer to bed. Even among guys who think of themselves as more enlightened... look back at your past girlfriends. How many began as women you slept with the same night you met them? OK. Now how many of them were the girls that it took you forever to bed, but whom you really got to like and value in the meantime before you finally, after all that work, managed to wrestle into sleeping with you? Hmm. Yeah. If you’re like 99% of men out there, you’ll start picking up on a very noticeable trend. And women pick up on this trend that men have, too. They know men don’t usually date the girls they hook up with quickly.
That proclivity of men’s is why, in some cases, you'll find that women in committed relationships are easier to sleep with than women who are single. Because women who already have a man (whether they tell you about him or not) are usually not looking for a new relationship. They're just looking for sex. So they don’t worry as much about whether sleeping with a man too quickly will blow their chances at a relationship; they’re not looking for one in the first place.
But women who are single are usually looking not only for sex, but for a relationship, too. Here’s the kicker though: they are not necessarily looking for those things from the same guy.
I said something while speaking about this at that talk I gave that seemed to rattle some guys, excite others, and cause still more to lash out in disbelief. What I said was this:
"Believe it or not, a woman does not have to like you to sleep with you. In fact, she's probably more likely to have sex with you the day you meet her if she doesn't like you a whole lot."
Now hold up a minute, one guy said. If a girl doesn't like you, she's NOT going to sleep with you. Period. End of story. No happy ending.
Well, I’m here to tell you that isn’t so. This isn’t something you see a lot when you’re a beginner in the social arts; it’s not something you’re even all that aware of as a guy who’s intermediate with women. But as you reach the top tiers of advancement, you’ll start realizing that women have sex all the time with men they just don’t like all that much. That guy they’re hooking up with they value don’t enough to want to date. In many cases, they don’t even like him enough that they’d respond to a call or a text from him the next day, regardless of whether they slept with him or not.
But, they will still sleep with him.
If that starts feeling a little counterintuitive, think about it like this. Sex with a girl you’re in love with feels great. It’s probably the best sex you can have. Sex with a girl you kinda like is good too, though not quite as amazing, right?
Now how about sex with a girl you don’t even like all that much. Say, a girl who’s cute but completely lacking in the personality department. Or a girl who’s not even all that cute, but she’s there, she’s available, and you’re horny.
You’d never sleep with a girl in those conditions, right? Only a girl you like, right?
Well, if you’re like almost every other guy on the planet, that’s wrong. You would. Probably wouldn’t answer her call the next day, but the night you met her, if conditions were right, you’d hook up with her. Now here’s the shocking thing for most guys: despite their generally having longer hair and bigger chests, women are in fact exactly the same when it comes to sex. They hook up with guys all the time they don’t like all that much.
In fact, there are a very wide variety of reasons a woman will seek sex with a man, and many of them have little to do with HIM and how much she likes him, and more to do with HER – and he, the guy, just happens to be available to fill a need for her.
Here are some of those reasons a woman might sleep with a guy, despite not liking him all that much:
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She’s horny, she wants to get laid, and he’s the best option available
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She’s been on a dry spell, and she decides he’s “good enough” to shag
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All of her girlfriends are hooking up that night, and she doesn’t want to be left out – and the guy in question just happens to be hanging around and available
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He’s an unknown in her social circle (he’s there on vacation, or she is, or they run in completely different circles), no one she knows will ever find out, and he’s basically a “freebie”
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She wants revenge on a current or former lover, and this new guy looks to be the means to that end
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She’s feeling down in the dumps and in need of the boost in self-esteem that comes from getting laid
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She’s always wanted to try a guy like him (white / black / Asian / Hispanic / muscular / wealthy / punk / rocker / badboy / international from XYZ country)
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She just feels like it.
There are probably a bunch more, too. But just as any girl who’s tolerable will likely do when you are just feeling down and want to get laid, so too will just any GUY who’s tolerable likely do when a girl is feeling down and just wants to get laid.
Most men have this myth that women, especially top women, are incredibly picky. As a guy with a lot of dynamic, intelligent, beautiful, successful women in his life, it’s my distinct experience that this is utter malarkey. Here’s what I’ve seen: top tier women, dating or hooking up with men who were not cool, not attractive, and not successful. It’s not that these guys were badboys and had some kind of mysterious sex appeal, either. They just happened to be in the right place at the right time, and the girl in question wasn’t feeling all that picky.
But those girls still tell me they’re picky. They say things to me like, “It’s hard for me to find someone I like, because I’m very picky when it comes to men,” or, “I’m fine without a man in my life. I’d rather be single, actually.” But when I look at their choices in men, they’re getting together with these guys that don’t meet the standards they continually profess to have (or, realistically, the quality of guy I’d assume they could get). And bizarrely, they often end up in friends-with-benefits relationships with men they don’t really care for or respect all that much. They don’t even really like these guys. The guys press for relationships, and the girls decline, because they’re not all that into them. But these guys are still good enough for sex – even though they’re not good enough to date.
Women DON’T have to like you to sleep with you.
Period. End of story.
So, onto the whole disqualifying-yourself-as-a-boyfriend thing. The thing that disqualifying yourself as a boyfriend does is, it makes it much easier for a woman to decide that you’re the guy to fill that short-term need, and it helps her cast aside any reservations about sleeping with you too quickly and how that might affect her long-term prospects with you. You’ve negated yourself as a long-term prospect. She doesn’t have to worry about that anymore.
Before I list some ways to do that, one final note: most guys don’t do this. How come? It’s because they believe that women only want relationships, and that if they rule themselves out of the “long-term potential” category, they’ll lose the girl they’re speaking with. So they play it safe, and try to make themselves seem to be the best boyfriend material they can muster – thereby shooting in the foot any shot they had at sleeping with their new female acquaintance the same night. If she’s thinking of you as a potential boyfriend, and she thinks she legitimately has a shot, she’s NOT going to sleep with you the same night. Guaranteed.
Will you lose a few girls by disqualifying yourself as a boyfriend? Sure. But they’re girls you wouldn’t have hooked up with that night anyway, and unless your follow-up game is incredibly solid, probably wouldn’t have hooked up with at all.
And here’s the funny thing: even the girls who don’t hook up with you that night will like you more. They’ll find you mysterious, intriguing, and… sexy. That guy who seems like he’d make a great boyfriend? Yeah, he’s nice. But now, the guy she can’t get into a relationship, at least not all that easily… THAT guy makes her think.
Women (especially top-tier women who are used to getting their way) find challenges irresistible. As a guy who’s off-limits from a dating perspective, you position yourself as a challenge.
So how can you disqualify yourself as a potential boyfriend? Here are some common ways you might disqualify yourself as a boyfriend to a woman you’ve met:
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Let her know you have a girlfriend or are in a relationship
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Let her know you’re newly out of a relationship and still recovering and not looking to get involved
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Let her know you’re on travel and only in town another night or two
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Let her know you’re moving out of town and will be far away
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Let her know you have all kinds of friends in your life, but that when it comes to serious dating, you usually only date girls of XYZ race / nationality (something different than her)
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Let her know you’re not really all that sure about relationships anymore, and not even sure you want to have another one (in a very neutral, non-negative / pessimistic way)
Use one of these (preferably, one that’s truthful and matches up well with your situation – obviously, if you say you’re on travel and you’re actually not, and the two of you run into each other later on, there could be issues!) and you will find that, contrary to what most men might think, you’ll see an increase in attraction from women, and you’ll see that sex happens faster.
Note that there can be a bit of a learning curve: delivery is essential, especially when all this seems new and unfamiliar and nerve-wracking. If a woman can sense that a man is nervous / needy when he disqualifies himself (e.g., he tells her he already has a girlfriend, then tenses up and gets quiet, as if waiting for her rejection), attraction will plummet. This has to be a natural, emotion-free declaration that you are not really on the market from a relationship standpoint.
Guys who are off the market and nervous women will reject them are unattractive. But guys who are off the market and confident that women will want them are even more attractive than guys who are on the market and equally confident. They actually had an interesting little study recently that showed that women in committed relationships ranked photographs of men they were told were single as more attractive, while single women ranked photographs of men they were told were in committed relationships as more attractive. Get that? Single women are more attracted to men who are tied up. How come? Well, long story short, a guy who’s got a girl already is basically communicating that he is wanted by other women. That guy who’s single is an unknown variable – why is he single? Is it because he’s just out of a relationship – or is it because there’s something wrong with him and women don’t want him?
It’s good to be off-the-market. It says a lot of attractive things about you. It also takes some pressure off the girl, because it implies you’re not “looking” (and hence, judging). She is more free to be herself around you.
Once you’re using disqualifications like these and you’re comfortable with them, it’s mildly remarkable how things change with women. The planning / calculating / scheming side of women goes away as they lose their primary calculation objective (“net this guy into a relationship”) and become free to enjoy or not enjoy you based on their whims and how the mood strikes them (and how you make them feel).
Try it out – it’s fun.
Chase Amante
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So true
I thought I'd chime in since this article is one of the few of the PUA variety that doesn't seem to demean women by painting them as emotional or stupid.
I just had this situation happen. I was at the end of a long term relationship with a guy who wasn't putting out so I jumped at the chance to bone a guy who happened to be in town for a short while. My bf at the time was also going to be out of town. A window of about 2 or 3 days existed to have sex with this guy who although interesting, was not boyfriend material because of his looks, laziness, drinking/drug problems, etc. He made it clear he didn't want a relationship (but then again it wouldn't have even been possible given his short stay) and I made no mention of a relationship.
Just have to add something about this:
"Now how about sex with a girl you don’t even like all that much. Say, a girl who’s cute but completely lacking in the personality department. Or a girl who’s not even all that cute, but she’s there, she’s available, and you’re horny."
Sometimes a girl will purposely be rude or have an attitude with you when she knows it's in the bag because, hey, you're a hookup, not boyfriend material, so why show you my sparkling personality? Or why even shave for this guy? lol It's nothing personal, just a timesaver.
Re: So true
Hey M-E,
Yeah, that's a perfect example of what I'm talking about here. That's the case of a guy you'd never consider as a boyfriend candidate, but you're fine with going for a roll in the hay with.
The funny thing is, most guys think this way about their options with women, but they tend to assume that women are totally different and DON'T think like this. "Oh no, I have to be really nice, because women only want to date men who will be serious with them," goes the thinking.
Men tend to segment for this reason: you get the guys who get big strings of hook ups, but utterly fail when they try to have relationships, and you have the guys who end up in really long-term relationships, but getting a girl in anything other than a long-term relationship is well nigh impossible for them (e.g., rule out one-night stands for the LTR guy because he can't get them -- women don't want him for that).
The LTR guys often are pretty jealous / envious / resentful of the hook up guys, and women usually (publicly, anyway) tend to demonize the hook up guys and talk about what "great" guys the LTR guys are, but they still go to bed with the hook up guys and ignore the LTR guys until what they want is an LTR. And all of this makes perfect sense from a totally rationale stand point -- if a woman wants to hook up, she's going to go for a guy who's good hook up material, and if a woman wants an LTR, she's going to go for a guy who's good LTR material.
Your other point about women wanting to hook up having an attitude problem is a great point -- in fact, I'm going to get a post up on this. Thanks for the posting idea! It's something you see in lots of women, but many men out there take it as a sign those women aren't interested and scram. Sad turn of events much of the time for those men...
Cheers,
Chase
This happened to me.
What you described in this article helped me begin to understand what motivated me to act in a certain way as a woman. You seem to have a lot of insight on this topic, and I was hoping you could please read further and tell me what you think: I was in a 2 year ltr with T in which I thought I was happy. I, however, was not satisfied at the time and did not realize this until I met another guy, S, on a cruise. Before I left for the cruise, T and I were having problems. While I was breaking my back my back trying to resolve these issues and compensate for everything that was lacking in our relationship, he seemed to have completely given up. All of this conflict foreshadowed a breakup, I thought, and as a result, I began to emotionally withdraw. My single friends and I went on a cruise. Since I am good at dancing, I attracted the attention of many guys at the nightclub of the cruise, but I rejected anyone who came up to me because I had a boyfriend, whom I still loved despite our issues, and I never thought of myself as a cheater. S, though, was different. He was persistent; he made me feel wanted, attractive, and unique- all of which T was failing to do at the time. S had qualities of someone I could imagine having a ltr with, but I was already in one, so he did not interest me. One night, I finally agreed to take a walk with him on the top deck. While we were talking, he said proudly "I've had a few girlfriends, but i've NEVER been in love. I'm not looking for a relationship/love." All at once, I went from accepting his invitation out of politeness to feeling special that he had chosen me. Suddenly, he became a challenge and his unavailability was intriguing; it occurred to me that he could be just a fling- a temporary bout of excitement. At first, I accepted his company because I wanted attention, and he fulfilled that need. I did not care about him. We never kissed or did anything that constitutes cheating. He tried to kiss me once, and that was when I realized that this seemingly innocent friendship I had with him was making me emotionally estranged with T. I became so disgusted with myself for having these thoughts and desires. I felt guilty for emotionally cheating and as soon as I returned home, I broke up with T because I felt unworthy of him. I am still angry at myself. After a year of not talking, T sent me flowers and apologized for his shortcomings, and I revealed what I had done. To my surprise, he was not mad and forgave me. We are together now, but I am no longer sure of who I am since this happened or what/who I want. Before this happened, I thought T was who I wanted to possibly marry someday, and I missed him desperately the whole year we were apart and thought I made a terrible mistake. What causes uncertainty, though, is how I went from being a loyal and devoted girlfriend who knew who/what she wanted to this woman who is confused and unsure of her decisions/commitments after having met S. Thank you for reading this, and I hope you can clear some things up for me.
This isnt chase, but
This isnt chase, but Anonymous, you sound like the girl I was in a 2 year relationship with.
I had been going through some very difficult times mentally, and perhaps because I had a hard enough time sorting out my issues, I didn't have enough of me to share and make her feel the way I used to make her. I never strayed from the relationship, I remained loyal through all the crazy stuff she would pull because I loved her...but for a short time I couldn't even love myself. She had a similar situation as you, she never had sex with someone else, not even anything physical, but the curiosity of something new lead her to stray for a split second.
After finding out though, I didn't stay calm like your boyfriend did, I was angry and wondered why she would do this to me? I broke up with her, and got back together a week later, and the relationship was never the same afterwards. After reading your post, I just now realized it was because of my inability to lead and keep her satisfied that the relationship soured. If anything we should have broken up sooner. Thinking back she wasn't all that great of a girl for me anyway.
That was a super long story, but I love the way this website has helped me understand some of my shortcomings and to get on the track of self improvement.
Thank you to Chase, Ricardus, and everyone else who bring such awesome content!
Question
Chase,
Love the posts. Here is my question. How do you achieve this if you happen to be the male equivalent of a relationship unicorn? Just a bit of background. I'm a tall, good looking, very fit (sub 10% body fat), ivy-league educated hedge fund manager with a few more zeros in my bank account statement than the average bear.
My problem is not so much attracting women, but getting them to either 1. not feed me a line of BS about their past (I'm not willing to settle down with a high count girl), and/or 2. not have them push very hard to get me into the boyfriend track (not willing to wait too long to get laid particularly if there is limited long term potential). I get that this is a high quality problem, but its a problem none the less.
Any thoughts.
Cheers.
Jack
What the hell
Maybe people should just stop playing games with one anther and we would all final get what we wanted. I understand people like to have casual sex but isn't worth all the risks and emotional drama? Jeez what is happening to the world.
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