Emotional Cresting: What It Is and How to Use It
In
"How to Pick Up Girls in Bars and Clubs,"
we had a look in passing at why dance clubs and dance floor game
are so difficult to get real results with women in, aside from make
outs and rapid escalations that usually don't ever lead to anything
much
more.
There we called it "emotional spiking," but this spiking is actually the result of a far broader and more common phenomenon seen everywhere in life and love, dance clubs being only among the more extreme examples. The phenomenon is one I've dubbed emotional cresting, and it creates some interesting wrinkles in how your interactions with people - women and men alike - play out.
Emotional cresting is about taking emotions to their extremes - those emotional spikes we mentioned before. It follows the process of emotional escalation that we mentioned as so crucial to the process of preparing a woman for intimacy in How to Make Girls Chase, except that it's an intrinsic part of everything.
There's great power in emotional cresting, but there's also significant danger to your interactions in it as well - because the higher you crest, the bigger the crash is if you can't maintain that emotional momentum.

"Emotional cresting" is my term for the escalation of emotions toward emotional extremes. I chose "crest" because the term "crest" is used with waves - whether radio waves or oceanic waves, they all have crests. A crest is the peak of a wave - its apex; its top. And just like a wave, emotions tend to swell upward, resulting in a crest of those emotions. In dreams, emotions are represented by water, often by oceans; and I felt that here, the term "crest" was every bit as fitting.
All emotions crest. The start out small, then rise, and rise, and rise, swelling up higher and higher and higher, until at last they reach their zenith. It's true with:
- Anger
- Excitement
- Happiness
- Joy
- Fear
- Ecstasy
- Agony
- Depression
- Heartache
- Lust
- Revulsion
- Disgust
- Desire
... and everything else. Generally speaking, there are two core aspects to emotional cresting:
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How much buildup and anticipation there is behind the experiencing and release of an emotion, and
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How sharp the spike is that causes the crest.
As a rule of thumb, the more anticipation there is without emotion dissipating, the higher the crest is; and the more gradual the spike is without emotion dissipating, the higher the crest is.
That is to say, if you're watching a scary movie and you've been expecting something scary to happen for two minutes now, sitting at the edge of your seat, growing more and more and more tense... and then it happens, you'll be a lot more freaked out than you will if you had zero expectation of anything bad to come and then something bad happened. It's why creating that mood of foreboding is so important to horror flicks.
On the other hand, if you're expecting something bad to happen... and then nothing happens... and the mood stays foreboding, but it's dragging out too long and you're beginning to lose interest, when something finally happens the crest won't be as high as it could've been.
That's buildup. We've discussed buildup before - in fact, it was among the early posts on this site, back when this was still a one-article-a-month website that only a few guys I knew off of forums visited - in this article: "Emotional Build-Up: The Right Way to Use Emotions With Your Woman," but I'm going to go into it quite a bit deeper here than I did then. If you want another example of buildup though, check that out.
As for spikes: imagine you walk into your house, having completely forgotten it was your birthday, and the lights flash on and all your close friends and family jump out of nowhere and exclaim "Surprise!" That's a quick spike, and its effects are short-lived; you'll be thrilled and excited for a moment, but then the adrenaline recedes and it's back to business as usual.
On the other hand, think back to Christmas morning or your birthday or any other time as a child when you received lots of gifts (if you came from a family well-enough off to get you lots of gifts and your family came from a gift-giving tradition). Remember how it felt diving into that pile of presents, opening them one after another after another. That's a more gradual spike; it's not a "then-and-done" kind of spike - it keeps going, and building, as you unwrap one present after another, growing more and more excited and nervous about finding that one particular thing you really wanted. The intensity of that emotion is overall much stronger than the quick thrill of having everyone jump out and yell, "Surprise!," because it unfolds over a longer period of time.
How Does Emotional Cresting Work?
Emotions are largely responses to uncertainty and the unknown. The more certain you are about something - the more reliable your mental model of it is - the less emotional you are about it.
That's true with anything:
- First time skydiving? Prepare for some wild emotions. 100th time? Not so much.
- First time picking up a girl? Wild emotions. 100th time? Not so much.
- First girlfriend ever? Wild, crazy emotions. 15th girlfriend ever? Not so much.
- First trip overseas? Lots of emotions. 30th trip overseas? Not so much.
- First time getting caught by the police? Wild emotions. 20th time? Not so much.
... and on and on it goes. The less you know about something, the stronger your emotions are around it, and the more you know about it, the weaker. In fact, this is a big part of why how many partners someone has determines his or her future fidelity - the more experienced with sex, dating, and relationships, the less of a big deal these are, and the more likely someone is to view straying from a current partner as not that big a deal, either.
This is also why you'll see us recommending building intrigue and being mysterious and using techniques like baiting in conversation and not putting everything out there on the table, spilling your beans all at once (like most guys do). The more intriguing and mysterious you are, the less "known" you are, and thus the stronger the intensity of the emotions you inspire tend to be.
Buildup and spiking affect emotional cresting in much the same way - anticipation leads you to wonder about what's coming, and spiking leads you to wonder how much more there is to come and when and how it's going to end.
Thus, a girl you're talking to on the street who's gradually becoming more and more intrigued by you as you unfold your indirect game is more interested in finding out what it is, exactly, that you want with her and plan to do than a girl you're talking to on the street whom you've simply walked up to and told her you like her and want to take her on a date to a little dive bar near your house and ask her for her phone number (much more buildup and anticipation in the first example than the second).
Likewise, a girl you're kissing and touching in your apartment whom you're gradually running your hands up and down the body of is going to get a lot more excited than a girl you're kissing and touching in your apartment whose pants you immediately grab to unzip within 30 seconds of landing her on your bed (assuming there is the first time you've started physically escalating with her, of course, and she isn't already dying to be intimate with you from earlier escalation before getting her into your place). This is emotional spiking - the gradual spike, so long as it isn't too gradual, trumps the sharp spike any day of the week.
Now, you might be saying, this is all well and good to know, but how's emotional cresting of any use to me in my day-to-day life with women and beyond?
That's a very good question, for a rather abstract subject. The next section of this article is devoted to answer exactly it.

We're big believers on this site in teaching abstract concepts with follow-on concrete examples. No different with this.
So I want to arm you today with some tangible uses of emotional
cresting in your seductions and interactions with women - but first, I
want to talk about the flipside of emotional crests... a little thing
called "troughs."
Crashes and Emotional Troughing
Just
as waves crest (hit their peaks) but also trough (crash down
into valleys), so too do emotions have crests and troughs. And the bigger (or taller) the wave, the
bigger (or deeper) the trough. In waves this
is called amplitude; and the amplitude of emotional crests and troughs
is every bit as important to the social arts as wavelength amplitude is
to studying all things wave-related.
What this means is that the more extreme an emotion becomes, the bigger the crash is when that emotion is interrupted or ends.
It's why you feel kind of worn out and tired after watching a really scary movie, or sort of empty and quiet after a great gift-opening session's come to a close and there are no more gifts left to open and new toys to play with.
This emotional troughing is one of the most dangerous things to an interaction you can have happen, and you need to guard against it vigilantly.
One of the things I placed a great deal of emphasis on getting down
when I was new to seduction, that nobody else ever seemed to talk
about, was transitions. I first took note of how important this was
when meeting girls while waiting for the Washington, D.C. metro, as I
often did there; I'd meet them, we'd get into a good conversation, I'd
like them, they'd like me, and then the train would come, things would
get awkward, we'd both board, and then both head in separate directions
on the train because no one knew the right thing to do. (for the
record, I discuss the simple solution to this - keep the conversation
rolling as you transition - here: "Meeting Women on Buses, Trains, and
Airplanes")
Transitions are the most common place to hit an emotional trough; emotions often crash during them. Why? Because transitions (things like moving a girl to sit down with you; going from light banter to serious conversation and deep diving; asking for a phone number; setting up a date; inviting her home; and getting girls in bed) have all the elements of crest-breaking rolled up into them in one:
- They involve an interruption in the conversational flow
- They involve an interruption in the physical flow
- They involve a change in environment
- They involve a change in expectations
A single one of these elements can cause a trough by itself... all of them together always do.
And before we go into how you can avoid losing an emotional crest while transitioning, let's talk first about each of the ways emotional troughs can occur in your conversations with women.
Emotional Troughs Explained
If you spend much time reading men's dating advice, you'll come across the phrases "her state broke" or "I broke state." The "state" in question is emotional state; that is to say, things were going great one moment, but then the emotions changed and suddenly they were no long so fantastic.
These state-breaks are emotional crashes, or emotional troughs. They're the result of an emotional cresting being interrupted and crashing back down to Earth, resulting in the negative side of the emotional crest's amplitude.
However tall the wave of emotions was before, it's suddenly become every bit as deep, now.
Interruptions of Conversation
When conversation is interrupted, this causes a trough. The emotional cresting is broken, and emotions are brought back down in the opposite direction.
Have you felt this before? Absolutely. Imagine one of those great conversations you were having with some new girl you'd met... it was going awesome. You and her were vibing so well it was like you were old friends who'd known each other a lifetime. Then, suddenly, inexplicably, out of nowhere... you hit a wall where just nobody knew what to say next. It was awkward... you searched for something to say, she searched for something to say, but nobody came up with anything. And just like that, the spell was broken.
Things got weird, and she excused herself from the conversation, to get back to what she had scheduled for the day, or to return to her friends or go to the bathroom at night.
That was a trough. Emotions had crested higher and higher and higher as the conversation progressed, but then they hit a trough, and suddenly the whole thing felt strange and bizarre and unnatural - the complete reverse of what it'd felt like during the crest. During the crest it felt exciting and comfortable and like the most natural thing in the world - and suddenly, it became the total opposite.
When this happens, it's a big let down for everyone, and the girl gets out of there to get away from the bad and awkward feelings.
Interruptions in Physical Flow
An interruption in the physical flow is anything that disrupts what you and the girl you're talking to were physically doing.
That may include:
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The two of you were walking on the street, then arrived at where she was headed and she needed to leave and go to work / meet her friend / off to lunch
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The two of you were sitting and talking on bar stools at the bar early in the night, then the staff came by to take the bar stools to make room for more bargoers and you had to both stand up
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The two of you were dancing, then stopped dancing to move off the dance floor and find elsewhere to talk
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The two of you were waiting for a bus, or train, or airplane, sitting / standing and talking, and then the conveyance you were waiting for arrived and you had to board
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The two of you were sitting or standing and talking somewhere, and suddenly one or more other people entered your conversation - friends of hers, friends of yours, or other people wanting to compete with her for you or challenge you
All of these are "physical flow" interruptions that interrupt what you're doing one moment, and get you suddenly doing something different the next (unexpectedly). They're jarring because if neither of you was expecting this change and neither knows how to respond to it, it leaves both of you in an awkward position, wondering how this affects the interaction, whether the two of you know each other well enough to continue or should say goodbye, or what should happen.
As a result, unless a girl really likes you a lot - and even then sometimes, if she's especially shy - she'll simply excuse herself, bid you farewell (or perhaps not saying anything at all), and leave.
Changes in Environment
If you've ever stepped out of a pulsing, pounding nightclub into the (comparatively) quiet streets outside, and felt the gust of cool nighttime air hit your flesh, covered in sweat from the hot club interior, you've experienced the sudden shift that occurs with a change in environment, and consequent emotional trough.
Not all environment changes are this extreme; however, imagine the "feel" of these troughs when you change environments with a girl you've just met:
- Moving from walking in the street to entering a shop or café
- Changing from talking in a diner or cafeteria to walking outside
- Leaving the office or classroom you met in to go step outside
- Leaving the bar or nightclub you met in to go step outside
- Boarding the bus, train, or plane you were waiting for from the
waiting area
- Going from driving in your car to walking into your apartment
- Taking a girl from sitting in your living room into your bedroom
All these changes in environment and many other ones like them tend to cause emotional troughs that lead to a crashing of emotions.
However strong the emotional cresting was prior to the change, it troughs equally hard in the opposite direction during and after the transition.
Changes in Expectations
This is the one that always gets the nice guys.
When your expectations are that someone is going to do a certain thing and behave a certain way, and then that person does something contrary to what you expected him to do or how you expected him to act, emotions trough.
It's what happens when you:
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Act like you want to be just friends with a girl, then try to escalate or tell her you like her and she reacts with disgust or revulsion (she expected you to be happy remaining in the friend zone)
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Act sensual and sexy with a woman, then fail to move fast and let escalation windows close and attraction expire (she expected you to move fast, escalate, and take her as your lover, and you failed to deliver)
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Not make a move or ask for much investment throughout the course of an interaction with a girl, then suddenly surprise her by asking her out, asking her for her phone number, or inviting her home (she expected a calm conversation where she wouldn't be asked for anything or need to make any judgments or decisions, and suddenly a relatively big thing is being asked of her to decide on)
Expectations were one way, and emotions built around them remaining that way, but suddenly something else happened, and the let down was big.
It's like watching a horror movie and feeling the anticipation build and build, only to find out the characters were never in any real danger and it was all a big joke, or tearing into your Christmas presents only to find out they're all filled with clothes instead of toys. Who wants that?
How to Use Emotional Cresting
The pitfalls of emotional troughs in mind then, our rules for using emotional cresting with the women we meet are threefold:
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Use more buildup and anticipation to heighten involvement, suspense, and impact of a girl's emotions throughout an interaction
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Use drawn-out spikes that extend emotional gratification over a prolonged period of time - don't make satisfaction happen too fast
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Avoid cresting a girl's emotions too early or in the wrong direction, priming her for a trough before you're ready to cushion that trough properly
These are actually fairly easy to explain doing, now that we have the foundations established for how they each play out.
So let's have a look at applying each angle to the women you meet.
Using Buildup and Anticipation
As we've discussed on here time and again, you want to draw out the getting-to-know you process on your end. Spilling your beans, so to speak, and telling girls everything about you as soon as they meet you is death for seductions; you must ration out information about yourself, a little bit at a time, a little bit at a time, and leave her always wondering what else there is to find out about you.
In this way you build anticipation for getting to know you more. If she keeps unpeeling those layers we talked about in "How to Be Vulnerable, Enchanting, and Alluring to Women," only to find ever more layers underneath, her anticipation is only going to build... assuming you don't draw things out too long, of course, and assuming each layer she peels back leads her to something else even more interesting.
The other way you build anticipation is by hinting at your intentions, without ever fully revealing them. This is the foundation of indirect game, and it underlies sexual tension-building at the core.
Your thoughts around building anticipation thus are:
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"I'll let her get to know me, a little bit at a time, and frustrate her efforts to get me to spill my beans by deftly turning the conversation back to her and getting her to talk about herself, which she enjoys doing anyway."
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"I'll hint at my interest in her and my intentions with her, ramping this up gradually as our interaction progresses, but I'll never come out and flat tell her exactly what I want to do with her." (the one exception is the sexual complimenting discussed in the article on how to compliment a girl, but of course that builds anticipation by telling someone you want to do something without saying when or how or asking her to decide)
Drawing Out Spikes to Extend Gratification
The first emotional "spike" that no doubt pops into your head when thinking about this is physical intimacy - sex. And yes, that is a big one. There's nothing quite like unsatisfying 2-minute sex putting the cap on a 5-hour seduction to lead to a big, uncomfortable trough in the most disappointing of ways.
But in fact, there are a variety of emotional spikes scattered throughout your interactions with any particular girl that you can more effectively draw out. These include:
- The opener when you first meet her
- Early conversation and getting-to-know-you type talk
- Revealing any specific piece of information you're asked about
- How you ask her out and get her phone number
- Setting up the date properly
- Inviting her home
- Escalating to sex
- Having sex
Let's look at just a few ways you can draw each of these points out.
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Opener. A lot of guys plunge right into their openers, suddenly and without warning. But you can draw this out... pre-opening and slow opening are just two of the techniques used to do this; speaking slowly and easing your way into the opener and exchange of names is a part of this too. Don't just belt out an opener to get it over with - start conversations naturally and comfortably with women, and the emotional impact is stronger and better.
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Early Conversation. Rather than dump all your cards on the table, hold yourself back and build some intrigue instead. Use techniques like baiting and just give out a little (but still make it interesting) when asked, and only go into it if the conversation is of interest to her and she pursues a topic further.
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Revealing Information. When you're asked for specific information, don't just divulge it then and there and that's it. Instead, weave a story around it... ask a question back first before answering it... take the opportunity to make it an experience, and not just an answer.
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Asking Her Out / Getting Her Number. "We should hang out sometime," and, "Let me get your number," are okay, but you can usually do better. Even if you only take 50% longer to say these, drawing them out a bit more increases the heft of them. Opt for, "Tell you what, let's grab some food later this week or sometime next," instead of, "Let's hang out sometime;" and go with, "Okay, cool. Here, let me get your cell," instead of, "Let me get your number." It doesn't seem like a big difference on paper, but the difference in person (when most guys are nervous and try to belt out an answer as quickly as possible, and instead you're talking relaxedly and a bit longer) is actually rather noticeable.
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Setting Up the Date. As you well know if you've read the articles on how to text girls, you want to use texting primarily for handling logistics, and you'll want to set up your date soon after meeting a girl, if not the same or the next day. However, once you've sent that initial text and got back some times on her schedule to meet, you'll also draw this out over a couple of texts for ironing out the details, rather than do it in one fell swoop. You theoretically could send something like, "Hey Vicky, shall we get that meal we discussed? There's a fantastic little place called Eve not far from here... could do Thursday or anytime Sunday through Tuesday just fine. Let me know a day and about what time works for you - let's set it up." And that would be okay, but... it's a bit rushed, even still. Better to split this up over multiple texts - the spike feels better that way.
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Inviting Her Home. Similar to asking her out and getting her number. You could simply say, "Let's get out of here," and lead, but it's very cut and dry and not all that intriguing. If you prompt her to join you for a movie or a nightcap though, it's more intriguing - and she's also likely to ask you some questions you'll need to address. This draws out the spike, and lets you handle objections as well.
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Escalating to Sex. The first time you touch her shouldn't be to tear her pants off, unless you've done an amazing job with sexual tension up to that point. Get her warmer first.
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Having Sex. Here, you should be focused on being a good lover, first and foremost. Focus on giving her a very satisfying sexual experience, and everything else falls into place - this naturally takes a little time to do, and the spike is drawn out to do it.
As you see, most of these aren't being drawn out for immense amounts of time. It's not like you're turning seconds into hours here. Instead, it's more about micro-calibration. How do you take a 2-second quick experience and turn it into a 10-second rich and rewarding experience?
Don't overdo it - overly drawn out spikes are as lame as too-short ones - but do seek to find ways to turn every emotional high point into something that delivers on its buildup.
Avoiding Early or Incorrect Cresting
Back to those dance clubs and that dance floor game we
mentioned at
the outset of this article. Why do you avoid those?
Because emotional cresting is happening too early here, and in too wrong a direction.
Think about it. In a dance club, a girl's emotions are peaked already... which means that they're going to quickly trough and crash if you can't maintain that peak through escalation. But you can't maintain it if you take her out of that environment - the more crested her emotions are, the more fragile they become, and the moment she's out of the club they're crashing.
Not only that, but in a dance club, a girl's emotions are peaked for fun... not for sexual intimacy. Those are two totally different emotions. Yes, sex is fun... but it's "sexy" fun, not "wild party girl swinging my hair around while guys hit on me" fun. She's peaking with the wrong emotion for what you're looking for - and people don't like doing things that are outside their current emotional states.
To avoid early cresting:
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Don't ramp girls' emotions up too quickly
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Provide frequent "release points" for cresting emotions (e.g., chase framing and other forms of playfulness and humor to release conversational cresting during deep diving)
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Move fast, hit escalation windows, and get girls moving to the next step of the interaction once they've begun cresting higher but before they've reached an absolute peak for the given situation (e.g., if she's getting more and more excited as you talk to her on the street, move her to sitting down with you somewhere before she troughs and walks off)
And to avoid incorrect cresting:
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Try not to meet women in grossly incompatible environments (e.g. out on the dance floor instead of around the bar; right in front of all of her friends instead of off to the side; etc.)
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Don't cause women to crest in wrong directions (e.g., debating something political or religious with her and making her angry; talking about something depressing with her and making her sad; getting her really excited and making her jubilant; etc.)
Stay away from those two (early cresting and incorrect cresting) and you'll largely be in the clear.
Staying Out of Troughs
Well, okay - you've got emotional cresting down now.
So what do you do to skip landing in one of those troughs I told you about earlier?
They were:
- Interruptions of conversation
- Interruptions of physical flow
- Changes in environment
- Changes in expectations
As it turns out, these are the easiest parts of the emotional amplitude to handle - all it takes is following the guidelines for proper emotional cresting, plus a few smooth moves, and you'll be in the clear for all four types of troughs.
Have a look:
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Interruptions of Conversation. You can't prevent these from happening entirely - even when you're amazing at conversation, they'll still sometimes happen. What you can do, however, is provide frequent release points throughout the conversation to avoid the crest getting too high. That way, when troughs happen, their impact is not that great - and by providing periodic releases through chase framing and breaking conversation yourself, you condition the girl to expect these, and they come as no surprise.
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Interruptions of Physical Flow. Just like interruptions of conversation, you need to make sure your girl is prepared for these to happen - by routinely providing releases and outlets for emotions and breaking the crest yourself. That way, when it's time to move her and change the physical flow, it's fine; and if other people interject, it's also fine. When changing physical flow yourself, keep conversation going, to minimize the impact to emotions, and look to change physical flow mid-conversation; that is, start her moving as you're talking or beginning to talk about something interesting. The "cliffhanger" keeps her wanting to complete the transition to find out more (or tell you more, if she's talking).
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Changes in Environment. These are going to happen as your interaction progresses, and again, all you can do is ready yourself and the girl for them by refusing to let emotions crest too high until you're past the point where environments will change (i.e., you're home alone with her). That means no kissing girls at bars, clubs, or on dates... at least, not if you want to sleep with them later, that is.
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Changes in Expectations. This is the only one that you can completely avoid, and you will completely avoid if you're doing things right. You'll know you aren't if girls are telling you "let's just be friends" or "I didn't know you felt that way" or they're getting upset and going into auto-rejection. Seek to set the right expectations from the beginning by exuding a sexy vibe and make it clear to women through your actions and attitude exactly what kind of man you are (the kind of man who will later take them as his lover, that is).
For the experienced seducer, who's intuitively good at avoiding emotional cresting in the extremes before he has a girl alone with him and all but ready for physical intimacy, and who knows how to handle transition points and emotional rough patches, the deadliest time for an interaction is at its beginning. That's the point where outside influences can come in and have the biggest impact, because the girl isn't sufficiently intrigued or invested in him yet, and she hasn't gotten accustomed to cresting and troughing with him yet.
Some Parting Thoughts on Emotional Cresting
This is somewhat abstract, and admittedly rather more advanced stuff. If you're still getting your bearings on seduction, it's probably not worth worrying yourself over too much. If, however, you're intermediate or higher, and you're starting to wonder how you're ever going to handle those maddening problems you're having with losing girls during transition points or other places that things intervene or emotions simply seem to crash, then this is the material you need to get working on patching that up.
Emotions are a lot like a snowball rolling downhill... a little hard to get started, but once the snowball's rolling and it's picking up snow as it goes, it's going to keep going faster and faster and getting bigger and bigger until it either hits something that shatters it (a hard crash), or it comes to the bottom of the hill and rolls to a stop (a gentle trough that you've managed out).
Be smart with how you use emotions. Don't ramp them up haphazardly like some kind of crazed mad scientist playing with his new powers of intrigue and seductiveness... this is what most beginners do once they start learning how to get girls, and it's why most beginners have so many promising-looking interactions with women blow up in their faces and end in spectacularly bad fashion.
Emotions are dynamite... a powerful tool when wielded carefully and intelligently, and a force of great explosive destructiveness when wielded with butterfingers.
Mind your crests, and avoid any hard troughs, though, and you'll be just fine with them.
And remember:
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Use more buildup and anticipation to heighten involvement, suspense, and impact of a girl's emotions throughout an interaction
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Use drawn-out spikes that extend emotional gratification over a prolonged period of time - don't make satisfaction happen too fast
- Avoid cresting a girl's emotions too early or in the wrong direction, priming her for a trough before you're ready to cushion that trough properly
Ciao for now,
Chase
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Comments
Hey Chase, Great article, its
Hey Chase,
Great article, its these type of posts that are amazing. The problems this post addresses are subtle, so most won't figure out what is limiting their first encounters with women so most settle for getting numbers instead of lays on the first night. Takes a very sharp mind to figure this kind of stuff out to the nitty gritty. Glad to have you posting.
Also, was wondering how a person who has a harsh edge to his voice that is unbearable for some replaces that to one with one that expresses warmth and makes people comfortable instead of scared or nervous?
Thanks,
Nick
Softening Your Voice
Nick-
Glad you found value in it. Yeah, your brain kind of comes out scrambled after trying to clarify something like this, and you can only really hope you explained it intelligibly enough that it makes some kind of sense.
On softening your voice, the only real way is playing around with it and "trying out" different voices to find one that's softer yet still clear and doesn't exhaust your vocal cords while using it (e.g., NOT depressing your hyoid bone). I strongly advise finding film role models who have a voice you'd like to emulate, and then working on trying your best to train your voice to sound like them. You can use a voice recorder to practice if you like, and then you've got to start using your voice everywhere in life, with everyone you know (even if it feels kind of awkward at first... you'll get used to it, and once you're done, everyone you know will swear your voice has ALWAYS been like that).
If you haven't seen it yet, you might also want to check out this post for a few more tips:
Book Excerpts: Get a Sexy Voice
Chase
need guy advice
Guys, especially sexy hot alfa males, I need you to answer me honestly. If you were chasing a girl for months, but then she got drunk and accidentally said something that could have been interpreted as her asking you out on a date and if she "spilled the beans" and told you that you intimidate her to her core (very ashamed of even writing this) and you said "yes," but then nothing happened.. you never followed up and actually set a date with her. What did this mean -that the emotional crest had hit a hard fall and you changed your mind? ? Just curious and looking for answers. Thank you.
Guy Losing Interest
Agony-
Actually, a lot of things this could be, and it mostly depends on the guy.
If he's very experienced with women (and his chasing was only sporadic, here and there, calm, cool, and casual), he could:
Have decided you're too soft / inexperienced for his tastes, and will get too clingy / needy if he sleeps with you
That you're too inexperienced and it's just going to be too much work to try and get you into bed quickly
If he's a strong dude who likes strong women (and you seemed that way to him), it may alternately have been:
Once this happened, you stopped being his "type" (strong, independent woman) and he lost interest
There's another one, too:
Once he knew he had you, all interest completely evaporated
Especially with men who like the chase (and it sounds like this guy does), the thrill is in not knowing and trying to get, not knowing.
I once coached a girl on this who dated a guy who was madly in love with her... right up until she told him she felt the same. A week later, he broke up with her, telling her it wasn't working out. She wanted to know how to get him back.
I told her, either become unattainable, and make him chase you, and then KEEP him chasing you, for the rest of your life, after he chases you down and you "let" him win you back - you must always be less certain about the relationship than him, and must always need more convincing, and he must always be the one pushing and chasing for things - or just forget about him and move on.
She, instead, decided to just follow my advice long enough to get him back, which she did, then turn mushy and sappy again, and then he left again. C'est la vie.
But, if he's the type who loves the chase, then to get him and keep him, you must become the type who can never be won.
Which is not to say that's what it is... could be something different.
Re: the emotional cresting element of it, yes, that's probably what it is - things crested with you telling him he intimidated you, and then it was over.
I've had moments like that with girls - she suddenly gets really submissive and vulnerable around you. Normally in private you'd just take her right there, but if it's in public there's nothing you can do. Then the moment passes, and it's over. And you think to yourself, "Oh MAN, if I get this girl she's going to be a handful. Am I sure I want that?"
And then, even if you could have dated her had you gotten together with her first and figured it out later, the whole "knowing she wants a serious relationship before you've ever even really gone on a date" thing (whether that's what she wants or not; it's what you THINK she wants, though), just kills the excitement and makes you not really want to do it every time you pick up the phone to ask her to meet.
Chase
Chase, For years I was
Chase,
For years I was obsessively thinking about this subject matter as this sort of thing happened to me more than once. I couldn't figure it out, I sort of intuitively felt it the way you just so eloquently described to me, but couldn't quite admit it to myself and was hanging on to some shred of hope thinking that something else must have happened to cause these guys' withdrawal, some external uncontrollable factor, because I just couldn't understand why anyone in their right mind would chase a woman hard, write love letters to her and then just drop everything the second she gives a positive response. So, a huge THANK YOU to you for saving me from many more years of not being able to fully grasp and articulate this and move on. You are a gem!!
I know now that I have to let go completely of the fantasy that anything should ever happen were we to run into each other again. It is over for him and I am now free to obsess about other more productive things and hope that no extraordinarily sexy and desirable alpha male will be pursuing me any time soon :)
But, one thing that still leaves me very puzzled though is - wouldn't you want to have sex with the woman you pursued so hard for a long period of time (deep diving, touching, etc.) at least once? the one you chased hard and got all hot and bothered? Why leave her high and dry? I guess you kind of answered that by saying that such men think that a woman will get clingy and want a relationship with them afterwards... I must say that is understandable, albeit sexually frustrating, but still, where do these guys get sex from if they are not pressing for it with the ones whom they chased and conquered emotionally? I don't quite get it. Do men not have a need to express themselves sexually? I personally don't do one-night stands or anything of that sort not because I want a relationship out of every guy I have slept with, very far from it, and not because I have morals (haha) but just because despite being very much into sex I don't want to do it with anyone other than someone who is very attractive and who wants me badly. So, my question is - Does it not work the same for you guys???
Not Even Sex?
Agony-
Glad to help with something that's boggled you for so long.
Re: sex, that depends on the guy and his reason for losing interest, but if he's a guy who likes the thrill of the chase, having a girl he'd been after suddenly crack and tell him she REALLY digs him after he's worked so hard to get her, thinking that she's all but unwinnable, sort of makes it feel like a bait-and-switch.
It'd be like if your goal was to get into Harvard, and you worked really, really hard to craft the perfect essays and get the right credentials and have everything perfect, and then you got there and Harvard said, "To be honest, Agony, we're REALLY afraid you wouldn't be interested in Harvard and would want to go to some other school like Yale." Your impression of Harvard as totally awesome and the pinnacle of what could be achieved would suddenly be totally deflated, like someone letting the air out of the balloon. You end up feeling like - oh. I thought this school was way more awesome and prestigious than it is. Now I feel kind of foolish for wasting all that time trying to get into it. Turns out THEY were worried about ME.
Then Brown courts you, but remains aloof, and tells you it has really strict screening principles, and never lets you feel like you're anything other than a "maybe," before finally admitting you as a student. Harvard's the objectively better school, but emotionally, you're going to strongly prefer Brown over Harvard, 99 times out of 100.
It's all in presentation.
The girlfriends I've had who've done the best with me would maintain even years after we got together that they had absolutely ZERO interest in me before we slept together, but they're so happy I won them over and that they didn't miss it. I know what they're doing, and I know it's not true, but I can't help it - emotionally, I value them more highly than the girlfriends I've had who told me they were in love with me as soon as they met me or by Date #2 or something along those lines. They just FEEL harder to get, and thus more valuable and rarer and almost like you only got them out of sheer luck. Whereas the other girls, the feeling is more, "Yeah, I got this, it's in the bag just because of who I am."
When it comes to sex, that deflated feeling often just makes you not really want sex with her anymore. It's like you want it, chase, want it, chase, want it, chase... then find out it isn't what you thought it was, and now you don't want it anymore, and are mad at yourself for wasting so much time chasing after a girl who wasn't what you thought she was.
This is a lot more common with emotional men and women, but it happens with everyone, to some degree.
Chase
Chase, Reading all of this
Chase,
Reading all of this was a very bitter pill to swallow. But, I was looking for it for a very long time. I now have the cure for my headache from all those years of agonizing over issues with men I really liked going hot and cold on me. It was much needed to hear your candid break-down and such a detailed comparative analysis of those interactions paired up with a recount of your own personal experiences. You are an amazing human being. I love your unconventional take on relationships and pretty much everything else I've come across on this website. Please disregard people who tell you otherwise. I think I might be hooked on reading it for a while now. You have helped me tremendously, thank you, sweetie!
Sorta confused???/Controlling Nervousness
Hey Chase, Im a little lost on the intriguing thing. I thought you said you could be direct and it works because she knows why your there and it wont creep her out, but in this article you say go indirect and shell build anticipation up waiting for you to make a move which is good.
Please explain this to me?
Another question. What can I do about the nervousness and adrenaline pumping through my body while doing a pick up? My Nerves sky rocket, how can I control my nerves? Are there breathing techniques or thoughts I should think about?
Thanks
Balla, I am obviously not an
Balla,
I am obviously not an expert just a chick that loves Chase's blog, but I think he means that you build up the mood for intimacy to take place provided that you already know both of you are kind of interested. I think it's good to be direct with a girl in a way that's not too trite and blatant. It's hard to explain, it's almost like an art form of communication that you kind of have to get the hang of by watching others who are successful with women and actually trying it yourself and possibly failing a few times. Failing is inevitable, and once you fail a few times to reach your goals of getting a woman you will learn what worked and what didn't and that will reduce your anxiety and adrenaline levels sharply and the more you do it the better at it you will become, just like with anything else. When I was a teenager I was awkward with men, as I got to date them, be in relationships I learned how to "act" around men to get a desired response. I still fail sometimes, especially with very attractive guys, because it is difficult to maintain your cool if you really really like someone, but hey Chase has AMAZING info on his website to help you. Just read everything and actually go out and DO it, use the information he is providing you with, there is no substitute for doing what he suggests. You have to get out there and interact with women to see results, even if it makes you very uncomfortable the first few times. Good luck!
Direct / Nervousness
Balla-
Exactly what Agony said.
You can use a direct opener, but still maintain intrigue throughout the course of the interaction, just don't be blatant about your interest and rob her of all mystery.
And with experience comes a lessening of adrenaline. Just like the examples early in the post... 20th time approaching a random girl? Nervousness and adrenaline. 2000th?
Not so much.
Get out there doing it, and the fight-or-flight response will recede with exposure and experience.
Chase
Dealing with pushy people
Hey chase, I read the articles about being a dominant and powerful man and being a leader and I have a question. How do you counter someone trying to impose their dominance on you?
Today at work there was a new guy. We are both trainees. He tried to establish himself as the alpha over me. He dismissed my idea over his (which I thought was as good as his) and he touched me intermittently throughout conversation. He laid his elbow on my shoulder (which I brushed off), and tried to tell me where to sit. You get the idea. I need a way to let him know that I don't want him bossing me around and establish a more equal dynamic. Thanks.
Pushy People
Doobie-
Yeah, that sucks. I've worked with people like that, both in the corporate world and in the startup world. These can be REALLY tough to get around.
My solutions have normally been: 1) outclass them on work so that you have the upper hand there and they (and everybody else) KNOW you're stronger, and 2) stay VERY calm, centered, and unreactive around them.
Imagine a gorilla puts his hand on the big, powerful, dominant silverback gorilla's shoulder. He doesn't brush it off... he just turns his head, veeeerrry slooowwwly, and stares into the other gorillas eyes with a cold look, and just holds it. The other gorilla squeaks something out to explain himself, smiles sheepishly, and takes his hand off, and the silverback slowly turns his head back around, without a word or a change in expression.
Another one that's VERY useful for establishing dominance in the workplace (elsewhere too, but especially there) is the word, "Thanks." It's kind of petty, but it enormously effective in framing things the guy does as things he did for YOU. If you don't want him to catch on, don't do it too much, just try to do it in front of other people and superiors. So, when he hands you something, say, "Thanks Charlie," or when he tries to interrupt to tell you something's already done, say, "Oh? That's great! Thanks for getting that done ahead of schedule, Charlie."
People won't be able to help it... they'll naturally come to start viewing him as lower than you in the power structure. It'll really piss him off.
You also casually refute petty things he does. Like, he says, "Doobie, sit over there," and you say, "I'll grab this one though, it's a little more my style." Use things he can't debate, like "my style" or "to my tastes," rather than things he can, like, "this one's more ergonomic" (he can jump in and say, "Actually, this one's got a better wrist pad and the chair's better. So sit here") or, "this one's got better lighting" (he can say, "No, check this out - just flick this switch, and you've got twice as much light here as at that station"). He'll feel a net power loss every time he attempts to make you comply and you swat his efforts like a fly.
Also see these posts:
Dealing with Disruptive Men
Sprezzatura Effort and Investing
^ that last one's for the kind of vibe you want to project around him. Make sure he's working a LOT harder to try to assert dominance than you are in casually brushing his efforts aside.
Chase
Gorilla
Mmmm, interesting techniques here.
Have any of you ever had other men stand infront of you while you're with a group? It's something that I always brush off and move around but surely, there must be a way to stop them from doing it. Obviously, once I can let them know its not okay I shouldn't have the problem again.
People Standing in Front of You
Anon-
There are a few better ways around this than moving. If you move, the guy wins - he took your spot. He's exercised dominance over you.
The first way to deal with this is simply to tap him on his shoulder. "Excuse me, bro," you say, and smile firmly at him, and gesture with your eyes and a quick head nod to the fact that he's standing in front of you. This will clear out the people who did it by accident, and the less dominant men who tried tooling you but will back down when challenged.
If the guy still won't move after you point it out to him, what you do instead is then get REALLY involved in the group discussion, to the point of leading it, if possible. Be talking a lot, be talking LOUDLY, and have everyone looking at you. This gets very awkward, very fast for the guy trying to tool you, because:
1. Him standing there not talking while you talk but everyone's eyes on him hammers his social standing into the ground, making it clearer and clearer he's not top dog and that he doesn't "get" it
2. People start getting annoyed with him for "blocking their view" as they try to make eye contact with you and communicate with you, so start looking around him, or giving him annoyed looks, treating him like a socially awkward "obstacle"
3. People may even start to ask him if he can move, or (even worse for his status) simply wave him aside angrily, making the group overrule him and tell him in unequivocal terms that he's lower status than he tried to position himself as and than you actually are, and that he needs to move so that the group can give you its attention - you are more important to the group than he is
Essentially, you use his tactic against him - he tries to block you out of the group and assert status, and you simply talk over him and get the entire group to tell him he's full of hot air.
Chase
Tactic
I can never understand why people want to tool others via this method. I'll be sure to use this tactic soon. Thanks for the answer.
- Knight
Hi Chase
this is just a general opinion/statement (dont worry its a positve one! lol)
I have read a lot of blogs /sites regarding women/relationships, etc.
You have an excpetionally keen eye and intelligent, insightful commentary/advice on how to handle women,
I agree 110% wholeheartedly with your logic/actions.
If i read this in college it would of saved me alot time, energy and heartache, (and I'm in my 40's).
We are not taught these things unless we have an uncommon, atypical father to teach us, (unfortunately most of them are ignorant as their sons regarding women)
By the far the best advice out there, keep up the good work!!,
Gratefully,
Mark
Re: Hi Chase
Mark-
Thanks very much, and great to hear the stuff here meshes with your own experiences.
You're right, nobody teaches socializing, dating, relationships, emotions... it's one of those things, like handling your finances, building a business, etc., that hardly anyone understands. And most of the parents who know them don't think to teach them or don't know how because it isn't an established part of cultural tradition to pass on that knowledge. Everybody has to scratch it together for himself.
Anyway... I agree; if I read this in college, it probably would've saved me a lot of time, energy, and heartache too ;)
Too bad we're still waiting on time machines...
Chase
Hi Chase, I need your opinion
I'm curious if you have known guys like my 35 yr old buddy J.
He's what I would call a very successful natural. But this is how he does it and (it doesnt fit the successful mold/profile like you detail in your blog).
He has a very abundant mentality (which you talk about)BUT doesn't move quickly with women, He becomes friends first. And at some point they chase him and ask him to take them home and screw him. He wont tell me this but I observe this happening all the time.My belief is that they become even more attracted to him because he doesnt pursue them sexually at first. So this obviously is working for him.
Why, what are your thoughts on this?
Also,
He is generally a casual, funny/playful type of man. He makes everyone laugh and women are just drawn to him for some reason. One thing, i think he does (that you dont really talk about in your blog), that he is very positive about everything. He never appears down (even if he is having a bad week). I think women are attracted to sunny, positive men because they can draw from that energy. I mean everyone wants to be happy/feel good.
He has a slew of women that he sleeps with and never talks about it (even to me). His general philosophy is that he doesnt get hung up on any one of them.
I was having problems with one women (hot by the way) i was seeing and he told me I was too hung up on her and spending too much energy thinking about it and to go out and find another one. In his words, "there are millions of babydolls out there!"
Again the abundance mentality, but he doesnt move quick and has a lot of sucsess, Why is this working for him?
Mark
"Passive" Game
Mark-
An old business partner of mine uses this as his style, as well. Very fun / playful / super positive / easy laughter, never makes a sexual move, and girls chase him down for sex. Interestingly enough, he also uses the term "babydoll," although there's no "J" in his name and he's a couple of years younger than your pal.
This model works for guys who are really living in pure abundance and / or have so many other cool things going on in their lives that they don't get hung up on women. I generally don't teach it here because it's something you've got to be very advanced or have a very specific personality type to do (or have had early success with women and never had them be a big deal for you), and it also sounds similar enough to what most of the guys ending up in the friend zone are trying to do that it'd give them hope they could just keep doing things without doing things and it'll still work.
Mind you, your friend is almost certainly also doing a bit more than meets the eye. He prompts the women to take action, and they aren't doing it completely on their own... this style of game requires you to walk a very fine line of giving girls just enough that they feel like they can chase you and get you, but also not enough that they think you'll do it on your own. Basically, you push their buttons, and they take it from there.
I talked about this somewhat in this article:
Get Girls Chasing: Give a Little to Get a Lot
You might call this a game of "creating openings" and then exciting women about taking those openings. It's not as passive as it seems; it's simply nuanced. Works best with aggressive women and younger women, too, who haven't seen it much before and plunge in head first.
It's a fun style of game, and it can work really well in social circle and even in some forms of cold approach - it's probably the only reliable way I've seen of taking "entertainer-style" cold approach and making it reasonably effective.
But if you try it without being able to shrug if a girl doesn't do what you want, you'll find you can't quite hit the right notes and either end up chasing a little too much yourself (and then the girl won't chase you instead), or you fail to create the right openings or give girls the right prompts (and then the girl will simply assume you aren't that interested, or she won't know what to do to move things forward).
It's an interesting mix of abundance, creating obvious escalation windows for girls, exciting them enough to jump through those windows, while simultaneously giving no indication you will ever chase yourself if they do not. But if you can get all the right elements working, it's dynamite.
Chase
Thanks for the article,
Thanks for the article, Chase. I really love how you always give abstract advice for these kind of things. Also nice name pick for the emotional crests and troughs.
I have a question regarding dealing with my own personal crests and troughs. Last year, I overcame a minor depression...it wasn't anything too bad...i wasn't diagnosed or anything but I used to have a bad habit of thinking negativity. This made me miserable most of the time but, i've long defeated it. Most of the time my mind is thinking positively and opportunisticly.
Although this article has opened my eyes on something i've been wondering how to deal with.
Sometimes I go a week (tops) of feeling happy and like I can accomplish anything. I'm socializing and talking to girls and I feel a good energy from everyone around me. Then maybe for 2-4 days to sometimes a week, I'm at a trough...and its BAD. Usually during it, I'm working towards getting back to cloud 9 again. i talked to a friend about it and she said it wasn't normal for someone to have crests and troughs so close together like that. She said it was supposed to be months apart. My question is, is it possible to get rid of my personal troughs altogether? I've heard of people saying its possible to be completely happy all the time . Also, If i cannot get rid of them, what are ways of drawing them out so I don't feel them so close together.
This has stumped me for awhile and I was beginning to think I get crazy moodswings but your posts really help. They show me that this is normal. Thanks for everything.
Wes
Mood Swings
Wes-
There's a chance it could be something like bipolar disorder if the swings are bad. I've known a few people with that, and the swings are so intense that they're literally dancing and singing and telling you how they're going to change the world one minute, and then later they're down in the dumps and a total failure and nothing ever goes right and etc. If that's the case, it may be down to brain chemistry, and it's probably something where you simply need medication to help.
I'd like to think that you can overcome just about any mental condition with enough brain training on your own... but as I don't have personal experience with intense mood swings, I don't want to tell you, "Yeah! You don't need doctors or medicine! Just do it yourself!" and have that be bad advice that actually hurts you. There, I don't really know. I'm certain if I had it, I'd try to beat it myself, though I don't have it, so I don't know if I'd be able to or not if I did.
On the other hand, mood swings CAN happen if you're in a big transition point in your life. When I started overcoming depression, I'd have swings like that sometimes... feeling unstoppable one minute, a total failure the next. Before I began that process, I was depressed all the time. After I'd completed it, I was content most of the time. But in between, it was chaos, sometimes.
What you want to aim for emotionally is contentedness... inner peace. Wild swings of emotions (bad AND good) just lead to more wild swings. So actually, rather than trying to get yourself to feeling on top of the world, I'd rather suggest trying to get to a feeling of contentment. It's like a Newton's cradle:
... you swing wildly one way, but then you come back down and swing the other. Makes it impossible to get anything done.
Much better to be the ball that's achieved stillness and centeredness, and can methodically drive toward accomplish things, than having to worry about swinging back and forth, up and down, all the time.
Personally, I (occasionally) still get really excited or really down about something, and both times I work to center myself as quickly as possible. Extremes in either direction are bad, if your goal is consistency, progress, and accomplishing things, at least this is my opinion. There have certainly been plenty of creative, inventive, artistic geniuses who did great things during manic phases and then spent time down in the dumps during crashes.
If you can't completely beat crashes, the next best way to manage your own emotional troughs is to learn to recognize the stimuli that cause them, and avoid stimuli that will crash you and seek stimuli that will boost you.
So, you might find that someone criticizing you crashes you, or trying to do something or other and having it not go well crashes you. So, knowing the effect, you do a ton of work while "up," and simply don't put it in front of anyone until you've got a pile of it ready for review. Then you put it out there, and if something gets criticized and it crashes you, at least you've done a lot of work already, and you can afford to spend time recovering from a crash; you'll also get all the critiques at once, instead of again and again and again.
Find ways to collect all your aversive stimuli into one chunk at the same time as much as possible - there's only so far down you can go. Just keep delaying it while you do good work, then take the negativity in one spoonful all at once. Then recover, and then spend more time in the "up" period and push off and avoid things that you know bring you down until you absolutely need to face them, then do it all at once and get it over with to crash, recover, and get back on the horse again.
Chase
Hmm, I would have never come
Hmm, I would have never come to that solution on my own. Thankyou.
Haha...I'm pretty sure I'm not bi-polar. i've had multiple people tell me that there's nothing wrong with me. One of the which working with special needs children.
I was getting kind of confused first but now I think I understand. You say to find the stimuli, ignore it while accomplishing a lot in your high points, then when you're ready to take the crash, let it happen.
So this is all a matter of finding out what stimulates the crash as well as being too high.
Then, if I control it, I could have balance.
Thankyou for the advice once again. i was beginning to come to the solution that perhaps I should meditate. Your advice seems just as likely to help.
Wes
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