Anxiety in Men: Where It Comes From and How to Stop It
There've been a handful of commenters recently asking about an article on anxiety in men, including this one, the first of these more recent requests:
“Hi Chase,
A slight digression from the post, hope you can add your two cents to this. You mentioned avoid being the guy who's "racked with anxiety". Throughout most of my life, I have been plagued with anxiety. My mother suffers from anxiety and I believe it has significantly influenced my development. In high school, though I was part of the cool crowd, i knew at the very core, I was extremely uncomfortable around other people. To hide my weakness, I would put on a facade that consisted of being a loud, obnoxious, "bad-ass" person.
I have matured from this and instead of living through a mask, i want to tackle my anxiety head-on. My belief is that, just like anything, gradual exposure will ultimately desensitize. I have been forcing myself to approach strangers and make conversations on a daily basis with this belief in mind. It's been a difficult journey though. Correct me if I'm wrong but through reading your ebook and blog posts, I take it you've gone through a phase of social anxiety/general anxiety yourself as well. If you could be so kind to share with me how you tackled your social anxiety, specific "exercises" that you found extremely helpful, anything you think is worth mentioning, it would truly be a boon to my development.
Many thanks,
Jack”
Jack, sure, I can go through this a bit. It's a little off topic from what we normally talk about, but I think it ties in well to being more successful with women and dating, so let's have a look.

This'll be a more personal post for me, similar to the one on how to overcome depression, simply because it's one I've had a lot of experience with and spent a long time stuck in. Anxiety and depression are quite often part-and-parcel to one another, so you might even think of this as the sequel to that post: defeating anxiety.

As a young boy, I used to lie awake at night, so filled with fear that my stomach was shriveled up in it, obsessing over and over in my mind ever tiny way that my latest fear fixation would hurt me: werewolves, vampires, trolls, needles from the doctor's office. I'd frequently get up and go down to my parents, but they couldn't offer much comfort; for once I was back upstairs in my bed again, the fears returned, and I was racked with terror until at last sleep took me.
This went on for years.
I often had terrible nightmares with horrible creatures chasing me, but for the first 5 or 6 years of my life these fears were restricted to nocturnal hours.
But anxiety soon began creeping in and affecting me socially, too, not long after I began primary school.
When I was six years old, in the first grade, there was this girl I liked - her name was Diana. I went about telling everyone how Diana and I were going to get married and go on a honeymoon to Bermuda (the Beach Boys song, Kokomo, was very popular then, and a favorite of mine, with its lyrics, "Bermuda, Bahamas, come on pretty mama..."). Diana was a second grader - way more mature than a first grader - and she was horrified that this little first grader was going around telling everyone how he was going to marry her. Eventually she told me flat out in front of a bunch of other people by the swing set in the recess yard that she was NOT going to marry me, and burst my bubble (although I still thought I could change her mind).
For the next couple of months after that, I imagined every lunchtime that the entire school cafeteria, filled with its cacophony of other students' mealtime laughter and chatter, was ALL directed squarely at ME; they were all talking about me, about how foolish I'd been, and about how funny it was that Diana had roundly rejected me. And they were laughing at me. I felt ashamed.
Still, I kept getting into trouble, and kept proclaiming my love to the girls I liked, for a few more years, but events conspired to undermine my extraversion and plunge me into a doubt and a hesitation that began to naturally stalk me everywhere I went. Eventually my outgoing personality faded, though my defiance remained, with me only following the rules enough not to get in trouble, but never liking it.
Things changed in seventh grade, when the pretty girls, even the eighth grade pretty girls (a big
deal for a seventh grader), started asking me on dates, and the cool
kids started trying to hang out with me and inviting me to their
parties. Suddenly, like a light had been switched on, everyone wanted
to be around me and hang out with me.
But all I could say to these overtures was no.
Because by then, I had something that would plague me for over a
decade more, and nearly claimed my life on multiple occasions, either
through my own hand, or through my own recklessness with my mortality
to prove my worth to myself. That something that plagued me and froze
me and gnawed at me was this:
A gripping, paralyzing social phobia.
I did not just dabble with anxiety; anxiety ruled over me like a cruel king, limiting my freedom and keeping me locked away deep in the dungeon of my mind.
So I stood there, watching the people around me live their lives as my teenage years wore on, wishing that I could live a real life too, and knowing that the only thing that stopped me from doing so wasn't even real; it was this barrier in my head.
Anxiety as a Mental Affliction
I didn't know it until I was in my late twenties, but my mother suffered from depression and anxiety attacks all throughout my childhood. She'd always seemed happy and in control to me, but unknown to me she'd sometimes slip away into my parents' bedroom, shut the door, and just cry for no reason. She'd been suicidal. She'd had to go on medication.
I never knew. She always seemed like the perfect mom... she never let her
problems show through.
My mother's mother, an American born of Irish stock, was, and still is, bipolar, and very likely borderline. When my mother was growing up, one moment her mother would be yelling and cursing at her for breaking something or getting into some trouble, as children do, or even for walking too heavily on the floor above; a minute later she'd be singing, free as a bird.
My father's father, a German immigrant, had had an extreme
personality
as well, cutting off his family and divorcing my father's French-born,
British-raised mother,
leaving them penniless and alone, and creating so many enemies that
eventually one of them murdered him, running him down in a pickup truck
when my father was only 14. To get around the provision in the law that
invalidated a last will and testament leaving nothing to one's
children, he left one dollar each to each of his sons, so that the
will would stand and his hated
ex-wife would have no access to the fortune he inherited from wealthy
European ancestors after he died. According to my father, not long before he died,
he mentioned wanting to
change it, but his foe whisked his life away before he did.
Yet to me, growing up, despite the familial background of extremity and wild emotions, my parents had been the perfect picture of the traditional American family. My mother stayed at home, taking care of the children and the house, loving and cheerful; my father worked long hours and brought home the bacon. They almost never fought, our home was always impeccable and spotless, we had more toys and books and good things than anyone could ask for. My father was the stern-but-loving disciplinarian (with whom I frequently found myself in hot debate), while my mother was the big softie. Even today, when I've had friends or girlfriends meet my family, their impression has always been, "Wow, I REALLY like your family!" According to girlfriends I've had, most families in America are not nearly as close as mine.
So I frequently wondered where on Earth my anxiety came from. I was so outgoing when I was very young; how had I become crippled by phobias as I grew older?
The current research suggests the following as causes for anxiety problems:
- Genetic inheritance (e.g., chemical issues in the brain)
- Environmental inheritance from chronically anxious parents
- Trauma leading to chronic anxiety
From the Wikipedia article on anxiety:
“An evolutionary psychology explanation is that increased anxiety serves the purpose of increased vigilance regarding potential threats in the environment as well as increased tendency to take proactive actions regarding such possible threats. This may cause false positive reactions but an individual suffering from anxiety may also avoid real threats. This may explain why anxious people are less likely to die due to accidents.”
In essence, the theory here is that higher levels of anxiety lead to increased vigilance (being on edge for danger; defensiveness), leading to the individual being more careful, taking fewer risks, and ultimately having a lower chance of encountering real harm and danger.
The article goes on to note that infants displaying higher vigilance and fear responses have been shown to have increased sensitivity in their nucleus accumbens, a part of the brain that regulates pleasure, addiction, laughter, aggression, reward, and fear.
But a restriction of risks doesn't only limit the chance to be harmed; it also limits the chance to gain victories, triumphs, achievements, and success... as many of the greatest rewards coming following great risks, too. Thus, anxiety serves as the great limiter - of both risks and rewards.
And it can be gotten through blood; through life; or even through simply your parents having it, and you picking up on it.
And once you have it, it can very quickly seize control of your heart and mind, keeping you "safe" from risk and reward... and imprisoning you inside the very place those cold and timid souls Theodore Roosevelt mentions in his immortal line know so very well, never to escape.

More
women have anxiety than men, but I'd have to argue (much
respect to our female readers) that anxiety in men is worse.
Not to get into any kind of "who's the better victim" competition (no desire to promote victim mentality here), and anxious women certainly have a host of problems in their own right. But anxious women have one leg up on anxious men, and it's a big one: they can still get dates, lovers, and relationships.
The most anxious woman in the world will still have men come up to her, ask her out, guide her through the date, take her as a lover, and enter into relationships with her. She may be anxious, but all she has to do is keep saying, "Okay," and eventually she'll get there.
For the anxious man, there's no such reprieve. Anxiety in men, in extreme form, can lead to isolation, loneliness, and abandonment. Even when girls ask you out, they aren't going to make the move on dates, or make things happen to get together with you; in the end, your anxiety still wins the day.
That's what the case was for me, in any event, but I recognized early on that the only way I was going to beat my fear was to look it in the face unblinking until it went away.
The earliest memory I have of confronting a fear of mine was at the age of five, after I awoke from a terrifying nightmare wanting to run to my mother, only to find that one of the creatures from my dream was standing in the doorway to my room, semi-transparent, blocking my way out (I've done some research, and it's actually fairly common for children to hallucinate before or after sleep, so it's not just me). I walked up to it, yelled, "You're not real!" right in its face, and ran right through it, out of the room. I never had another hallucination again.
In grade eight, I made myself ask out the girl I liked, the
prettiest, most popular girl in school, who'd asked me out before months earlier, but
I'd turned her down. When I went back and asked her out, it was in front of the entire school, since I couldn't
seem to find a better
opportunity than that. She said "no," but every guy in the class seemed
to think I had balls of steel for doing it (it'd taken me 7 months and
countless nights and days obsessing over it to work up the courage,
though). I knew I didn't want to
regret not asking her out, and I knew that, no matter what she said, at
least I'd be able to look back in the future and say, "I did it; I tried."
In high school I strode along the ledge of the Mayan temple Chichen-Itza, 80 feet above a sheer drop to the jungle floor, the safe part of the small ledge occupied by fearful tourists clinging to the sides of the structure, leaving nothing but a tiny edge for me. If I was going to rid myself of the fear of heights I'd developed after tumbling down a moving escalator at a young age, I needed to confront that fear head on and chance death, I reasoned.
I walked through the ghetto of the city with the highest murder rate in America wearing a tan trench coat, two weeks after the Columbine massacre had made trench coats (albeit, black trench coats) an object of fear throughout the country.
I stood in the middle of a busy four-lane road with cars whizzing by me uncaring on either side going in opposite directions, some of them coming so close, so fast, that they brushed my clothes.
I did a number of things to challenge my fears and confront my anxiety. I don't advise this, at least not as dangerous and unpredictable as some of the things I did were, and I'll tell you right now the way I went about it was foolish. One slip on that pyramid ledge, one wrong glance in that ghetto, one driver not paying complete attention on that road, and I would not be writing this today. A lot of the adventures I've since had would never have happened. There would be no Girls Chase.
But I share these with you to make a point: you don't beat anxiety by willing yourself through it; you beat it by confronting it.
Anxiety in Men: A Silver Lining
So how do you get rid of anxiety?
Well, truth is - you don't.
It never goes away completely.
Personally, I'm still a somewhat anxious person. I'm just not
anxious about a lot of the things I used to be anxious about, is all,
and I don't spend time obsessing over it anymore. In fact, most of the
time, I am content, calm, confident... Zen.
Yet, every now and again, in some quiet moment, it begins to creep back in, and whisper doubts to me. But in all but the most extreme circumstances, I no longer listen.
And the good news is, in my opinion, anxiety makes you stronger than non-anxious individuals if you can overcome it.
Answer me this - who would you place more trust in in a dire, certainty-of-death type situation:
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A man who had struggled with fear and anxiety before, and overcome it, and now was confident and used to winning, or
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A man who had never known defeat, who had always been confident of success, and was accustomed to winning
Me, I'd take the guy who's known fear and known apprehension, and
overcome it, over the man who never really has, any day. Because the man who's always won is an
unknown - you don't know how he's going to react to defeat or
impossible odds.
And chances are, because it's an unfamiliar feeling for him, it'll
break him... at least for a while. And getting broken when you're
learning is fine, but getting broken in the hour of need is bad business.
The man who's struggled and overcome usually is the stronger man, because he has been on the wrong side of success and knows how to deal with it. His confidence is based on control of his thoughts and beliefs, rather than on purely a history of victories.
He not only wins. He knows how
to win, and he knows how to deal with uncertainty, anxiety, and defeat.
An anxious disposition offers you a number of advantages less anxious individuals lack:
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Attention to detail that you simply can't get with lower levels of vigilance
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Social tuning and social intuition that, again, stems from that high degree of vigilance
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Resilience to setbacks that comes from having suffered "more" setbacks (likely the same in number and objective severity, but felt more strongly and more viscerally) than men without much anxiety
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Habitual fear confrontation that eventually becomes a very strong trait, because it leads to confronting and eliminating weaknesses regularly by necessity, turning originally weaker individuals into ultimately stronger ones
The last point is interesting to think about. Take two men, one without anxiety, and one with. Let's say the man without anxiety has fears to the following extent:
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Women: he's not afraid to ask girls out or escalate things with them, only to let go of a girl he's invested heavily in when things go south in a long relationship.
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Career: he's not afraid to apply for jobs, interview, or ask his boss for a raise; he's only afraid to quit his job and start his own company, or to go back to school to get a better job (for fear of losing momentum in his career trajectory).
And let's say the anxiety-prone man has the following fears:
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Women: he can't even talk to girls and is paralyzed by approach anxiety.
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Career: he's afraid to apply or interview, for fear of rejection; can't talk to his boss about a raise; and certainly can't leave his job for any reason.
For the man with anxiety to get going at all, he needs to learn to overcome his anxiety to some degree. Many men only do this somewhat, and stop; but some men, once they've done a little bit, go further; then further; then further still.
In fact, they go so far that they start confronting fears that ordinary men without anxiety have, and can't get around. Pretty soon, even the things that most people fear seem silly to them.
Not every man with anxiety does this; but enough do - and once you're in the habit of confronting fears and demolishing them, you eventually start to get a bizarre affinity for feeling fear - and facing it head on.
It's this part of the process I want to focus on to help you beat
your own anxiety.
Learning to Relish Fighting Fear
I don't know when exactly it happened, but I realized some years back that I had trained myself, unconsciously, to become excited at feeling fear, for I saw it as an opportunity to confront another weakness and wipe it away, becoming an even stronger man.
My emotional / thought process these days goes like this:
Fear: Oh no! This super muscular, angry-looking Canadian customs and border security guard is grilling me hard... what if he thinks I'm some kind of international terrorist and puts me in a Canadian prison cell? I don't even know anyone in Canada who can bail me out!
Excitement: Ha HA! Listen to my weak, pathetic self. This is an EXCELLENT opportunity for me to go through the fire, be tested, and come out stronger. To battle!
Conscious Mind: Oh - looks like Fear and Excitement are in the process of sorting out some new perceived threat. Hope they can iron this one out fast so I can get back to just dealing with this situation like a calm, cool, rational human being.
What this does is it leads to automatic fear confrontation - that is, when you encounter something that strikes fear into your heart, you don't freeze... you don't run away... you engage.
Reason?
Because you're training yourself to be unafraid.
It's a simple process, and it works. The steps are this:
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Feel your fear and admit it. You have to be able to consciously recognize that you're feeling fear or anxiety and own up to it. You can't make excuses for yourself, or this doesn't work, and you're stuck in neutral until you get more honest. If you're having trouble reading your emotions, just ask yourself what you REALLY want to have happen, and why you're not in the process of making that happen right now. As soon as you know it, say to yourself inside, "Okay, I'm afraid. I'm acting nervous and afraid and being weak right now."
Don't justify it ("Well, I have a reason to be afraid, because..."). Don't scold it ("I SHOULDN'T be afraid, because...!"). Don't try and piece together some grand strategy ("Okay, so what I need to do right now is..."). Skip all of those, and go immediately to the next step in the process, namely...
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Tell yourself it's time to beat this fear. The problem with fear and anxiety is that the thing you are afraid of feels tough, or scary, or unpredictable, or confusing. The instant you make it about the fear, though, the fear largely vanishes. Why? Because you know what you have to do: you have to confront it. You have to go do the thing you're fearing doing. Then,
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Take action. Take action and confront the fear. Obviously, don't take your life in your hands like reckless teenage me, but DO get moving and go confront it right now. See a pretty girl? Feel fear because you're not sure how to meet her? Go take action to beat that fear - go talk to her right now. Want to start going to nightclubs but no friends to go with and they seem like intimidating places? Feel that fear, then take action and go anyway.
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Take away your ability to back out. The first time anyone asked me to travel abroad, I felt gripped with fear; there was so much unknown, so many things that could go wrong... so I immediately said "yes" and committed myself to doing it. Whenever I set new, scary goals for myself - pickup goals, business goals, anything goals - the first thing I do is set a hard limit: "Do this, and you can't come home until you do," "Do that, or no more vacations until you do," "Finish this, and you cannot start anything new until you do," etc. Whatever it is that you WANT to do, make it so that you cannot do it until you've finished the thing that you are pushing yourself to do.
The emotion is normally split-second: fear ("Oh no!"), excitement ("Okay, let's do it!"), action (doing it, or removing the ability to back out if it takes a while to do, then doing it)... then done. All in the snap of a pair of fingers.
Willing Yourself to Vanquish
Anxiety
You
cannot will yourself to victory. That's impossible. You will run
out of gas long before you reach the finish line.
However, what you can do is will yourself to remove the obstacles in your way before you start the race. Push the hurdles off the path, and suddenly the race ahead looks a whole lot easier, and a lot more fun.
You must train yourself to feel fear, laugh at it, and fight it like a champion.
For every man is born with fear; some more than others, but it's there in each of us. The men who get what they want out of life are not the ones born with less fear, but the ones better able to tackle and defeat the fear they have.
And once you've vanquished a fear enough times, your brain does what it does best: picks up on patterns - and recognizes that there isn't anything there to fear at all.
Then, suddenly, one day, out of the blue, seemingly, that thing that used to freeze you in your tracks and stop you in your boots doesn't even catch your attention anymore. And you don't even realize it until you notice, "Hey, I just asked my boss for a raise and I didn't even think about it," or, "Whoa! I just asked that girl out and it was completely on autopilot!"
Your brain is a pattern recognition machine, and it learns that there isn't anything to fear there once it's seen a situation often enough. But it won't learn at all if it never gets to see those situations up close and personal - so go get it some data to play with.
Go confront your fears.
(Just, ideally not in the middle of traffic or on the side of a pyramid or somewhere a lot of people get shot / stabbed / mugged. Can't get girls chasing you when you're six feet under!)
Yours,
Chase
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Comments
Great post man I do have head
Great post man I do have head battles with myself to do things and I wont lie I sometimes do feel too lazy and use it as an excuse to not approach but I have to force myself to approch no matter what from now on. Thanks for the tips Chase!
Head Battles
Cool it resonated, CG - hope you can silence those head battles and get going more on approaching!
Chase
not from this side of town
hi Chase if i could thank you a million time i would, the way you worked to reconstruct yourself into a motivational machine is very remarkable. i hope you and the crew keep learning so that the readers can also reap relevant reward.my questions are ,in the post about 'building intrigue' you elaborated on various methods of getting girls curious.But in my case i am not from america. i have managed to develop an "american accent" per say but when we reach a point that she learns my name the gal immediately recognizes that i am not from around here and starts asking me stuff like how is the place and stuff.i feel like i could use the chance to build up further investment and curiosity but don't known how, and what are some sharp hairstyles for black men?
also since most of the music nowadays are on the extreme,for example rap music are "(bad boys)" who rap about the way they use women, calling them this and that .and the other songs which are mainly about love,emphasis on how men want to treat women like "goddess " (nice guys)since i am a big fan of music what you recommend?thanks are for your motivation :)
Intrigue / Hairstyles / Music
Howdy Student,
Fantastic you find the posts so motivating - and, no need to thank. All I'm doing is sharing a few anecdotes and a few lessons learned along the way.
Re: your questions - on intrigue, not being from around here is actually a GREAT way of building intrigue. Just don't tell her everything about where you're from, and let every answer lead to new questions - and before she can ask them, ask her something about herself. Spoon-feed her information about you, while keeping the spotlight on her.
Hairstyles for black men: the ones that seem to work best universally are closely-cropped. This can be balled, short, or grown out a little bit (but not too much). Probably because black men have the "bad boy" or "dangerous guy" stereotype in the U.S., growing out hair that's too long or while gives you a bit too much of an edge, so keep it short and clean. Short and neat hair plus great fashion plus a great facial hair style makes for a killer combination in a black man.
Re: music - depends on what you like. I listen to almost entirely instrumental music these days. Sometimes ambient music (Thievery Corporation is a favorite), which is great for when you've got a girl alone with you; some classical and music from soundtracks is also good (recent favorites: the TRON: Legacy soundtrack, the Inception soundtrack, the Lord of the Rings soundtracks). Some electronic music, which I learned to like when I realized electronic-music nightclubs were some of the most consistent places you can pick up at (e.g., Chemical Brothers' "Star Guitar," etc.). The only music I'll listen to with lyrics still most of the time is Tupac, who I like because he's talented at inspiring and motivating, though he has an aura of fatalism and victim mentality about him so you've got to be careful; Kaskade, I found his music right at a time that I was putting a girl through the same thing he has his female singer singing about in Strobelight Seduction, and it helped me be a lot more compassionate to her reactions and get my head around it, and occasionally a little B.I.G.
Cheers,
Chase
Wow...I seriously think its
Wow...I seriously think its awesome that you listen to thievery corporation. I don't run into many people who listen to them...Chase you really do connect with your readers in more ways than you think.
Chase I love the fact your on
Chase I love the fact your on this site daily, it's actually one of the most important things I can't wait for during the day. You've helped me become a better man foreal, I like how you share your personal life with us an put us on with all of the good experience. I swear finding your website was a blessing to me, I messed up with this girl the day before I found your site. The first post I read was "how to get a girl back".
I never in my life had so much emotions for a girl ever and I tried everything I read from your article, thing is I never got her, but it's good because she was bat-shit crazy. I do sometimes regret what I did but I try my hardest not to because if it wasnt for that I never would of found your site or I would of it much later and she was crazy as hell.
Im still pushing through my anxiety and trying to build up my self-esteem while excitingly waiting for your article on it to further help me. But I have some embarrassing problems I have to admit to you, because I can't figure them out by myself. I want to knock out two birds with one stone, I dont want to keep posting problems, so please bear with me with the questions haha.
This one is very embarrassing to me, my first problem is that I can't get dates or intimate with girls, even after reading most of your blogs and having your products. What am I doing wrong this has been for over a year since I found you, all I did was sleep with girls I already did before and get a lot of new ones but not getting sex from them.
My second problem is how can I stop the girls from being so damn coy with me over text? I can pick up a girl and we have a good as time, I deep dive, flirt, and move as fast as I can but sometimes things don't happen that same night so I grab contact info. So it basically looks like this (1. get the girls over me 2. phone number and plan to hang out later 3. Try to set up a date girl acts so uninterested.) I know some girls are attention whores but it's annoying me that I push through all these fears just to have these girls be so coy with me. And I do everything you say, get number on a high note, text them with your point of seeing them quickly and all of that. I read your text articles so many times. But my problems are that when I text them they take way to long to text back and they never go on a date with me. How can I fix these problems? And I read your reactions vs results so I know I get them with results. What can I do to get this girls responding faster and wanting to go out on dates? I even talk to them on the phone to show that I'm a 3 dimensional person.
Anyway 3 is I'm starting to get too much abundance mentality that I don't give a damn about these females and that I can get another one anytime but the problem is I'm not sleeping with them in abundance. So is not caring at all messing me up? And my last question has to do with girls I know from the past. Since I'm a new me is it a good idea trying to get with girls I was too shy to try to get with back in the day? And if I can how can I do that?
Sorry for such a long post but I don't want to keep asking questions post after post. Thank you very much Chase and bless you and your loved ones.
Moving girls...
Hi Vaughn,
A recent user on the forum boards was having a similar issue. I had asked him if he was moving all of these girls before getting the phone number -- or, if not moving them, at least getting compliance from them. He responded that the few text conversations that had gone well were from the girls that he had gotten compliance or movement from.
I HIGHLY suggest that you make sure you move every single girl you interact with BEFORE you get the number. When I was trouble-shooting my game, this seemed to make worlds of difference and girls starting responding more warmly to setting up dates. Give it a shot and let me know how it goes! ;)
- Franco
Dates, Texting, Abundance and More
Hey Vaughn,
Glad to hear you didn't end up with the crazy girl! Few things can make your life more miserable than a girlfriend who's bonkers...
What Franco said is probably going to be the biggest edge you can give yourself by implementing.
A few other notes:
Focus on getting girls attracted when you first meet. If you're having to talk to them on the phone, it means you're not doing a solid enough job the first time around (or, you're adding in an extra step you don't need that's slowing you down and hurting your chances). Moving girls acts as both a filter (filtering out uninterested ones) and an attraction amplifier (making a girl realize she likes you, and that you lead), which is why Franco's suggesting it so strongly.
Focus on not calling girls as soon as you can. The sooner you can set things up purely over text with no phone calls, the better off you'll be (e.g., reducing the number of steps it's taking you, and hence, the number of places mistakes can happen).
Close things out with women. It's very good if you're not chasing after women, but you DO want to give girls the old college try. That means not taking too long to text them back, and giving them a few shots about meeting up. Not caring won't mess you up, though, so long as you're putting a little work in to close things out where possible.
I wouldn't worry much about girls from the past. You can occasionally land these girls, and it's worth sending them a text or an email or however you contact them saying, "Hey, Tina! I was blah blah and this XYZ thing happened and I totally though, whoa, Tina! I haven't talked to her in so long! How's life been the past 2 years? I'm blah blah... hey, let's grab some food later this week or sometime next if you're around and catch up. It's been forever."
If they don't bite on that, move on; if they come out, treat it the same you would any other girl (and don't get caught up in treating her special because you've known her a long time).
Best,
Chase
Hey chase if I'm alone with a
Hey chase if I'm alone with a girl at my house and If we don't know anything about each other should I still kiss her before 5-10 mins? Or should I get to know how at my house? I also remember you saying kissing on the mouth is less effective than anywhere else. So will it count if I kiss her 5-10 min on the cheek,neck, or anywhere else? Thanks!
Fear and Survival
Thanks for sharing this part of yourself Chase it seems to be a common thing amongst would-be PUA's that thy have a fear of women, but what they don't understand is it's a fear in general, this ties in somewhat with what I was saying about fear, flight and freeze responses with PTSD.
I too 'suffered' with bad dreams, agoraphobia, fear of heights, being bullied etc and it's taken me 36 years to 'get over it' and you probably right it never really goes away. What I've noticed is that (like you say) you end up with a unique perspective on things, that people who never had it, never understand. Like I said yesterday I have a seemingly 'off the scale' intuition, which I was starting to think was all in my head at one point; I can't explain how it works and (seemingly) no-one else can either, funky stuff..
The way I think of things these days is that really there's no positive or negative experiences per se it all just leads you down a different path. I've come to realise that something that may seemingly a bad thing one day, can the day lead you to something better (or indeed worse, but again that just another path), I just try to at least enjoy the journey. Tying this into pickup a lot of people see relationships as failed when they end, when really all they did was end at the time they were supposed to end; All good things must come to an end.
Back to the subject of anxiety I find that not questioning myself when I fear, I recognise the signs and do it anyway, it's about all you can do; Isn't that the best feeling that once your out the other side you can say, that's another one gone?
I've also learned that to be anxious can be a 'good thing' your running at a higher speed than the people around you, you can push yourself further and re-act to danger way faster than the people around you; It's probably saved my life on occasion and that's never a bad thing.
Anxiety = Pure survival instinct.
Regards
Flames
Re: Fear and Survival
Hi Flames,
That's a pretty neat perspective on anxiety and I agree, it does have some strong advantages in survival and environmental processing that help offset some of its downsides.
Actually, I've noted that as I've gotten further and further away from anxiety, my once nearly-photographic memory for social details has gotten a little foggy. I used to be the guy who remembered every little thing, but now frequently I'll have women and male friends around me who remember far more about things that happened in the past than I do. I get a lot of, "Hey remember that thing you said / did when..." or, "Hey remember when I hand my hand down your pants in the back of that cab and..." (from girls only on that last one), and I draw blanks. That used to be the stuff I'd out-remember everyone else on. Now people will remind me, and only bits and pieces remain.
For my mind, the optimal position to be in is to having the training and intuition that anxiety naturally provides, coupled with the confidence and mettle that experience and fear confrontation and shedding that natural anxiety imbues you with. Then you get all of the strengths (except the exceptional memory for details), and none of the weaknesses.
Only continuing downside to being predisposed to anxiety is fresh anxiety cropping up in novel situations / threats. But, you just get it handled in those scenarios, and then you're flying there too.
Best,
Chase
Memory and Anxiety
It's a very good point you made about anxiety that in any good interaction with a girl I don't remember specifics it just became 'A nice experience' or 'a good time' but if if it goes 'wrong' it becomes 'oh my god I did x and y when I should've done z. Maybe she thought I was a or b when I was trying to be c'. I'm learning to be a lot better a conversationalist these days and a lot of the close, deep stuff I get into I really don't remember so much at all, other than maybe the odd fact. I certainly don't remember any thought processes I was going through.
It makes sense for it to be this way, but it doesn't half make it difficult to explain to other people when your trying to give examples in a FR kind of way, and it's one I the reasons I never write them, one of the other is your cant pretend to be the 'secret society' guy while you blurt out every detail to anyone with an Internet reading device. :)
Regards
Flames
Good read
Was a very very good read, thank you!
This reminds me of a quote from Charles Barkley, "You're not always gonna be successful. But if you're scared to fail you don't deserve to be successful." Maybe a little strong but he made a very good point.
Charles Barkley
Hey Nino,
It's a good quote, I agree. Sometimes, those strongly-worded statements can be good at shaking people out of apathy. Someone gets angry: "I don't DESERVE to be successful??!" and he gets motivated: "I'll show Charles BARKLEY how successful I can be!"
Strongly-worded statements, used correctly, can sometimes be far more motivating than a politely-worded statement to the same effect, because it sticks with you more emotionally (as, apparently, this one did, or you wouldn't have quoted it!). Although, you've got to be careful not to use too many of them, lest you risk ego depletion in the people you're trying to motivate. Give them one or two of these, and keep the rest politely-worded motivational, and you've got a winning mix.
Cheers,
Chase
I think I got an article for
I think I got an article for you chase, Ive always heard that self stimulation affects the brain and your confidence. I read it produces some type of chemical to make you less manly. But my point is I just wanted to know your take on it, does it really mess up your chances with women?, Does it make your testosterone levels drop so far that you don't feel manly?, will it bring your confidence down and make you depressed because this is what you have to resort to, And how to not let it become an addiction? I think this will really help guys out chase.
Clean the Pipes
Curious Gent,
Ever seen 'There's Something About Mary'? If you have you know that Ben Stiller's character, Ted, is told by his buddy that he should "clean the pipes" before he goes on a date with Mary. Ted is told not doing so is "like going out there with a loaded gun."
I completely agree with the loaded gun theory. Masturbation is healthy, and in times where I ain't gettin' any, I use it to keep me sane and keep my mind clear. Just don't overdo it. Keep it to once a day and you'll be fine. I naturally have very high testosterone, and if I don't get the poison out I will lose my mind. Makes talkin' to women easier and less stressful to and makes you more relaxed. Don't let it affect your self esteem. After all, meeting and sleeping with women isn't all about the three second orgasm, anyway, it's about the experience as a whole. If I didn't go to spank town a few times a week, I would likely end up settling for some low grade pussy I'd end up regretting.
Anxiety does kill.
Another Classic post Chase!
Anxiety has been a killer for me too, I'll see girls I like and know I want to talk to, need to talk to but stupid old anxiety rears its head and I chicken out. Now I know I just gotta plow forward regardless of what feelings are ruminating inside me.
Just had another question for you Chase, hope you can answer it. I recently met another girl I had been trading texts with, I tried to get her out fast, asking her out three times but she always had an excuse, she was always busy with something. So the last week I just told her flat out, "look I like you and it seems you like me, so lets go out and see what happens, if it sucks we both walk away, no one gets hurt". She reponds by saying she likes me only has a friend and was not interested in anything like hanging out. I responded by saying I wasn't interested in been friends. We haven't spoken since. No trading of text. Nothing.
My question then is, did this girl ever have any inetrest in me, because she responded to ever text message and was just having cold feet. Or was she just playing games and never had any interest in going out? And second, was my response of not wanting to be friends too much of an asshole response? Thought I needed to do some drastic like that.
Thanks Chase and hope your time allows you to respond, this site is changing my outlook on getting women everyday.
Girl Who "Only Liked as a Friend"
Howdy Maxz,
You made absolutely the right call on that girl: force her to stop playing the games and make a decision. You made the right call telling her you're not interested in being friends, too. The only thing you did wrong was not giving her an "out" (so far as I see from your comment) if she changed her mind.
An "out" would be writing a text like this: "Okay. Well I'm not interested in only being friends. If you change your mind and want to meet up sometime for a bite or a drink, you've got my phone number."
Doing it that way throws the ball in her court and tells her if she wants to step up and play ball, exactly what she needs to do (text you and say she wants to meet up).
But don't worry too much on this one. My guess is she either liked you a little at the beginning and it didn't last, or she's one of these "nice people" who feels like she HAS to reply to text messages she gets (some girls are this way and reply to every single text message they receive, simply because they feel socially obligated and don't want to risk people not thinking of them as "nice people").
Either way, it's good to get a solid answer and either move things forward, or cut things off, so you can get on with making headway, whether with this girl or other ones.
Cheers,
Chase
Another approach to social anxiety
"I was so outgoing when I was very young; how had I become crippled by phobias as I grew older?" I've wondered the same thing many times, too. Have you looked into the Lefkoe Method (http://recreateyourlife.com/store/natural-confidence.php) for eliminating limiting beliefs? The idea is that most limiting beliefs (including those that cause social anxiety) are formed in early childhood from negative interactions with our parents, and can be eliminated by systematically analyzing/re-experiencing those interactions. It seems to have helped me a lot (I'm about 3/4 of the way through). I was wondering you think of that approach.
Thanks for another illuminating post as always.
Lefkoe Method
Hey M,
Haven't heard of it, and I'm a little skeptical on long form sales pages (does that make me a hypocrite?), but the method sounds like a solution that works for some people being targeted as one for everyone.
e.g., there definitely ARE some people for whom all their experience comes from childhood experiences with parents. However, there are also a lot of people who develop anxiety later on from other influences. Me, for instance, I can think of maybe one early childhood punishment experience with a parent (my father catching me sneaking a potato chip out of a jar I wasn't supposed to go into when I was 3, but no major punishment there). Most of mine I'd attributed to probably some genetic influence, coupled with events at school between ages 8 and 10.
So, not knowing anything about it, I'd hazard a guess that if it's solid and it's based on sound principles, it may help people whose anxiety is rooted in parental experiences. Those whose anxiety springs from elsewhere would probably want to find other solutions.
Cheers,
Chase
I tried this
Im on the letfkoe mail list and although I haven't really used it for a while. I did do the self
Limiting belief one (at least I think I was that one). Now nobody can say for sure if they work or not but I did have a period of about 3-4 months when things started clicking all at once and now I'm more or less rock-solid frame wise.
So who knows?
Wow Chase great article. I
Wow Chase great article.
I defeated my depression and anxiety long ago using some of this. Great to know I was on the right track. I was just wondering two things...sorry that they're completely off topic
1. After the sexy walk post, I began to nail my own sexy walk and got really good...girls I know started noticing. One of my girl friends that I haven't seen since we graduated months ago told me- "wow...you walk like a thug now"
Not what I was going for. Lol I don't know if it's because I'm black or anything but I don't want to come off as intimidating like I'm about to rob somebody. Is there a way to un thuggify my walk?
2. And second, lately with some of the girls I talk to I can tell that they're really into me and want me to make a move as in physical escalation or kissing. Problem is I don't. not because I'm scared or anything...I just feel bored...like I'm not feeling it for them. You know what I mean? Its like I did all this work attracting yet I don't feel any attraction back.they are attractive girls ...seriously nothing wrong with them...it's just they become..meh. Do I just go ahead and escalate even when I'm not feeling anything? Or was I supposed to leave it up to the girl to make me more attracted in her?
It's starting to affect my results...am I being too picky or something?
Thanks to you and your team
Wes
Walk & Getting Turned Off
Hi Wes,
Great to hear you beat your own bad beliefs... that's tough to do, and it's somewhat uncommon for people to pull it off on their own. Very cool.
On your questions:
Could dress have anything to do with this? e.g., take the same guy with the same walk, and throw him in something fly vs. something that's baggy and loose, and you'll get a totally different impression. It might also be that you've got too much shoulder swagger going on, or somewhat slouched shoulders / back - those can also lead to looking more gangster than cowboy / model.
On losing interest... very much depends on your goals and where you're at. If you're trying to rack up experience and turn yourself into a guy who's able to run his seductions easily on autopilot, it's worth taking advantage of these opportunities to take things to completion and build up more data points for your brain to analyze, shore up its confidence off of even more, and get things automated.
That last one also might be the "aggressive woman" thing... I went through a period where I was picking up a lot of women who were too aggressive or the pickup went down too fast for me and it was a turn off... I ended up not sleeping with most of them. Eventually I realized I was unconsciously looking for girlfriends and putting every girl through the "girlfriend filter"... so I started training myself to keep hook ups and girlfriends separate, and I learned to enjoy hooking up with girls just as a one-time experience that could be exciting in its own right, and keep myself from giving those girls any internal girlfriend consideration whatsoever. I just knew I'd never see them again, and decided to enjoy it.
Best,
Chase
Hmm...yea I was wearing some
Hmm...yea I was wearing some baggy jeans that day because of nothing else to wear(I honestly do not dress like a thug)
But I guess that really shows that girls pay attention to little details like that.
Ohh..yes I sorta do have a girlfriend filter on because my idea of results is getting kisses, dates, or them becoming my girlfriend.
I actually haven't slept with any women since I've found the insights. Maybe I need to work on taking them as lovers more? Honestly, I held back on that being the end goal due to the type of girls I talk to. The generation of girls I talk to have this whole fascination with relationships/marriage so maybe I'm making a mistake in believing they are perfect little angels who don't have fantasies.
I'll work on that.
Another thing while I'm on the topic of the generation of girls I talk to, I'm 19 and I mostly talk to girls from ages 16 to 25...since I'm still technically a teen, it isn't seen as weird with 16 year olds...but the problem is how can my end result be taking them as my lover when they have things like parents and curfews stopping that?
This almost seems silly of me to ask because it's obvious I should just ditch them for older girls.
I don't really go to nightclubs or bars and mostly do daygame(malls, shopping centers, city events) and these places are filled with young girls who look older than they actually are.
Do you know where I can find my age group of girls without going to bars or clubs?
One last thing, today I approached a woman in my neighborhood who I learned spoke VERY little English...she just moved here three months ago. I know you did a post on getting foreign girls. And I know that I really don't need to know her language to bed her. So I just need advice on how to escalate things without verbal communication. It was a nightmare seeing us trying to communicate today. When foreign girls come here are they just as likely to go to bed with a stranger like they would in their own country or do their rules change?
I was thinking of escalating things by inviting her to hang with me, put on music and dance (she's latina) and hopefully lead to physical escalation.
Thanks for all you do.
Wes
Results to Target, Little English
Hey Wes,
The results you target depends on your goals. If you mostly just care about dates / kisses, then sleeping with women isn't as important. If keeping women around as lovers or girlfriends is important, than you will need to move toward sleeping with them soon.
For finding girls outside of bars / clubs: have you tried much street game? You can find every kind of woman imaginable on the street - different parts of town will have different demographics, obviously (walk around near a college campus, more college girls, etc.). It's not too different from meeting women in the malls, but the demographics are more widely varied.
And regarding the girl who speaks little English, check this article out:
Nonverbal Attraction and Getting Girls Without Words
... that should help give you some pointers.
Always,
Chase
U are changing lives and u don't even know about it
Hey Chase,
Look man you, your research your writings , your blog, are like saving and changing lives of people (like me ) that you don't even know about simply. because don't see or hear back from us. Man it has taking me almost an year to write to you ,simply because I don't write a lot and I am not a keyboard jockey, I just go out and try to get things done ( it has though had adverse effect that I don't write field reports and now that miss looking back on them I realise I could have benefited a lot) . But man, the point I am saying is that ,This ARTICLE resonanted so much with me (and lot of the other personal experiences and beliefs u have shared. I also connect with u coz I feel we are very similar people ,atleast from what u write ) that I couldn't help but let u know that your writings and your blogs are changing lives of people in ways you might not even be aware of. I would love to help you out in any way I can without even asking for anything in return coz you have already given soooo much just from your blog and sharing . Also great job bringing in Karea,keep it up for good karma and thanks for keeping it legit (you r aware of the crap and scam selling out there ) man.
Cheers,
AdventurousPlayboy.
Re: U are changing lives and u don't even know about it
Hey Adventurous Playboy,
Great to hear it, man. I appreciate you deciding to write even after a long time reading without commenting. You're right, you never really know when you're writing articles like these how many people out there are taking things away from it and what they're taking away. I know the stats; how many people read a give article, what the website traffic is, etc. But those are just numbers without much meaning. How many of the couple of thousand people who've read this article found it interesting; were blown away; shook their heads and thought, "Who worries about this stuff?"... you never know.
Thanks for taking a moment to share your thoughts. And you know I want to keep it legit - this site only has an edge so long as we do ;)
Best,
Chase
pls cover this topic
Hi Chase,
I again want to let you know you blog is impacting lot of guys lifes . I have improved a lot from implementing lot of stuff discussed on blog. I have 1 request on a topic that pretty much helps the new guys and not end up wasting lot of time.
Basically what i noticed is as we gain the knowledge ,we get more succesfull in dealing with girls but after move a quite forward in the interaction some times a small mistake the girl drops you like a ball and newer to recover..
Could pls cover a topic around this major critical points where is up you ante and altleast during initial days avoid those traps rather getting droped flat after spending so much time on the girl.
I guess you got my point.
thanks in advance,
xChaser
Transition Points
Hey xChaser,
Right - you're talking about transition points. Those are absolutely some of the most critical moments in a seduction and it's easy to drop the ball by making mistakes or not taking action when you should.
I'll try and get a post up on it sometime soon, it's good topic.
Chase
Fear of mistakes and fighting the thought "this wont work"
Hey chase! After reading thru a lot of these comments one theme I think keeps reoccurring is the guys who have improved have all embraced one thing. And I believe one of the many things you and some other guys have embraced is your "inexperience." More specifically you guys embrace mistakes not as bad things but as learning tools. I could almost see some of you doing things you KNOW were "wrong" just to CHECK if it could be right.
I've gotten that sense from a lot of your post Chase because I know you are a guy that likes to decode and really get to the core of things. So, I'd love to hear some of your thoughts on my epiphany moment that "mistakes are just learning experiences."
I'd love to see a post where you talk about the time when you were learning pick up and seduction and how you questioned things asking yourself "could this really work" or "there's NO WAY that could work" And I'd love to hear some stories about how you said "F it I'm gonna try it anyways just in case he could be right"
I post on this because this is honestly an area I struggle with a lot myself. I believe what you are saying on this site because its worked for me in the past... But sometimes I have that fear of "there's no way this could work"
I don't know man a post or even a response on this would be interesting. Cuz I feel like I've really hit something big with this line of thinking but it'd be nice to see if a more experienced guy could explain it a bit more to me.
Trying Stuff Out
Hey J,
Yeah, that's exactly right - the thought there is, "I don't know if this is going to work, but - well, screw it, what have I got to lose?"
It's a great idea - going to write something on it right now, in fact.
Have it up soon!
Chase
100 days of Rejection
http://www.entresting.com/blog/100-days-of-rejection-therapy/
This is an interesting vlog.
- Eric
Hey Chase, I've been dating a
Hey Chase,
I've been dating a girl for about a month. I DO trust her, but I also know that I over think things and create the worst possible situation in my head. She keeps her phone locked and always makes an effort to make sure I don't see her code.
I know it's stupid to let this bother me, but it does. I don't want to bring it up because showing that I'm concerned about such a frivolous thing contradicts a lot of your other points like acting edgy and detached.
Any advice on how I can not let this effect me or my relationship?
Phone Lock
Hey Simon,
Ooh, that's a tough call.
As a general rule of thumb, I always keep my devices locked, because I don't want girls getting into them and causing drama. And generally speaking, of the women I've known, the ones who had things to hide from me did the same, and the ones who didn't didn't.
It may be that she's faithful now but just wants to keep her options open for later down the line; could also be that she has conversations in there about you with her girlfriends she doesn't want you to see; could be she has pictures of ex-boyfriends, or sexting she's done, or something else along those lines. In any event, you don't KNOW why she wants you out of her phone, you just know there are things in there she reasons you'll get upset if you see and she wants to head that off at the pass.
My rule of thumb is, you cannot change people, so accept them as they are or walk away from the relationship. When I've had girls who were protective about their devices in the past, I immediately wrote them off as relationship candidates and moved on. Double standard that I do it but don't like women who do? Sure. Doesn't bother me though... and any woman it does, there are plenty of other men she can date besides me.
All you know for sure here is that she's secretive and she doesn't completely trust you, and generally speaking people are the way they expect others to be. If you have to convince her to keep her phone unlocked, you've lost; she has the power in the relationship over you, and you care more about it than she does because you're the one acting more possessively while she's keeping her distance. Ultimately, you want her to do it on her own; since she isn't, you'll have to decide whether you're okay with a little secrecy on her side of things, or whether you prefer to walk away (or whether you want to fight it out with her and end up with her resenting you and holding the power over you, but I don't really recommend THAT one).
Also, bear in mind that this may change; you're only a month into your relationship, and still virtually strangers (I know, it doesn't feel that way).
If this is something that's bugging you, you can probably expect that it will KEEP bugging you unless it changes (and it may or it may not).
But... you'll have to make your own call here, on whatever's right for you and whatever you're willing to put up with or not put up with.
Cheers,
Chase
Getting out of my comfort zone didn't help
When i was 20 i started having anxiety attacks. I didn't know why there were happening but i knew i was doing it to myself and i couldn't stop. I'd constantly worry thoughts like, "i made myself have an anxiety attack before, if i did it then, i might do it again soon or now," and then i'd have another one. Feeling of very intense fear. It was a vicious cycle.
Things slowly got better though and then i started doing everything i could to overcome this anxiety. I started meditating daily and taking massive action approaching girls. I was eating healthy and working out and reading books like Eckhart Tolle. I started having moods where i felt awesome and could do anything. My approach anxiety was basically gone. I'd still have anxious thoughts that i never used to have before the anxiety all started when i was 20 but i was really good at letting them fly by.
Then one day while all alone i was smoking some weed and got into some deep thoughts about how my anxiety used to be. I ended up vividly remembering it and then i ended up having an anxiety attack for the first in forever.
I felt so depressed after because i had been doing everything i could to get rid of the anxiety and I was making great progress but now i was back to zero.
That was 3 months ago and i'm still not back to the way i was before that. Approaching girls used to be so fun but now it makes me feel sick to my stomach and i feel like a dead zombie and it makes me feel even more depressed after since i know i can do better and have done way better.
Last week i was thinking about all this while taking a shower and i ended up having another anxiety attack.
I'm socially anxious but im not afraid of people. I know i can be comfortable around people, i have so many experiences to prove it. I'm afraid of my mind. I have anxious thoughts even all alone by myself.
I don't know what to do next. It doesn't seem like getting out of my comfort zone will help since taking a shower alone isn't even in my comfort zone anymore. Everything is out of my comfort zone.
Anybody got any advice?
How I cracked this.
So, I deal with a horrible social phobia around "unwanted advances" and being shot down. But the other night I stumbled on a solution.
So I make my own steel chainmail. I have a rather impressive shirt that I actually swordfight in. Recently I have worn it a few times to events and gotten an absolute TON of direct attention from it.
So I figured, why not just wear it in public. Last night I did just that. I put it over a full black outfit with gloves and wandered around a bit. (It helps that my hair is 4' long too.)
I felt masterfully powerful. People were looking at me, and I KNEW why. (It was kind of like wearing liquid awesome, lol)
Eventually I walk past this bar and notice three women sitting in a booth by the window. One of them notices me and immediately motions her friends to look. They all stare wide-eyed but shyly look away when I see them and smile.
**BINGO** I suddenly feel like i'm in absolute total control of the moment.
I head straight inside the bar and directly towards their table. I can see the first woman that noticed me clearly mouth "OMG! He's coming this way!".
I proceed to just sit down in the fourth empty seat without asking. And said with a smile "It is rather nifty isn't it?"
Immediately they are all talking at once asking about it and me. On top of that this other punk girl from the bar comes over and just starts touching it without asking too. (She was well into her cups) Which was a tiny bit creepy, but was empowering to have a woman willing to be openly assertive like that.
And I thought up the most awesome bad joke to tell as well. "I wear chainmail because my mother told me, always wear protection!".
How does it get much better?
Now i'm thinking of what other "way out there" outfits might go over like this. Probably not many things. You can't look totally over-the-top costumed, but it has to stand out massively. Perhaps a bright yellow suit and green mad-hatters-style top hat, or an outrageous fur-trimmed and embroidered coat. The chainmail has the added effect of looking awesomely manly.
And of course, this only works for people that can easily *own* being the center of attention. If you can't take that, this trick is NOT for you.
Thanks
Aw this is an excellent article and just what i've been looking for - an actual guide to overcome anxiety thanks