The 4 Kinds of Girls and Which Ones YOU Should Go For


kinds of girlsOne of the series I introduced on here a while back - only to ever do two real articles in it - was on girl types... some of the different kinds of girls, that is. We've had some requests to do more articles like these, and I wanted to put together one here that's a primer of the four basic varieties of women you'll run into - and which type is best for you.

What's the use of something like this? Won't you magically happen into a relationship with the woman of your dreams, if you're out there long enough meeting large enough quantities of women?

Personally, I'm more a believer in having a set of logical guidelines, and then running your emotions on top of that, rather than just letting emotions run wild and hoping for the best. Having rules for selecting the right girlfriends (see: "Find the Right Girl;" "Choosing the Right Qualities in a Woman") tends to lead you to superior women as mates. Emotion is what first draws you to them, but logic helps you screen them (and screen out the other women you're emotionally drawn to who don't match your criteria).

Put more simply, especially when it comes to weird, ephemeral topics like dating and mate selection that are taboo to discuss anywhere in polite society, knowing stuff gives you advantages.

And the "stuff" I want to get you knowing today consists of the four basic varieties of women.



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Of course, there are a variety of different girl types we can branch out into as we get more complex in our definitions and look at more nuanced variations of the different varieties of women; we've covered two of these types on here already:

For our purposes today though, we're going to be looking at a more elemental kind of woman - the kind from which all other kinds spring out of.

These are our four most basic types of women.

I've boiled them down to just two traits, one learned, and one not:

  1. Softness/Strength
  2. Inexperienced/Experienced

On a matrix, that works out like this:

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I'll define both axes of that matrix here.


Softness/Strength

Softness/strength is what side of the spectrum a girl naturally fall upon with her base personality type. Is she soft, quiet, and nice? Or strong, loud, and assertive?

This, of course, is not an "either-or" type of thing. No real absolutes in the real world. But, roughly, line-drawing-wise, you can more or less cut the kinds of women down the middle and throw them into two camps:

  • The soft ones

  • The strong ones

And that isn't to say that a woman can't be soft in disposition, but strong in constitution. Nor is to say an assertive woman is incapable of tempering herself and assuming a more ladylike demeanor.

For our purposes, we're defining softness and strength here as these:

  • Soft Women: these are the women who tend to be more passive, more yielding, who are more accepting of being led by others (men or women), more open to being commanded, more likely to be humble, quiet, and retreating, and less likely to cause drama, cause a stir, or get offended at most things. If there's a problem in the relationship, soft women are more likely to sit on it and trust or hope that you notice it and resolve it.

  • Strong Women: these are the women who tend to be more aggressive, more steadfast, who are more likely to rebel against the leadership of others (men or women), more likely to resist commands, more likely to be confident, loud, and assertive, and more likely to cause drama, cause a stir, and get offended by things. If there's a problem in the relationship, strong women are more likely to quickly bring it to the forefront and ask you to address it.

Most cultures the world over encourage their women to be soft kinds of girls. In the more feminist-leaning cultures (e.g., Scandinavia, the English-speaking world, etc.), this tends to be reversed, and the encouragement is for women to be strong. I tend to believe this is more in-born than anything else, although socialization and acculturation can lend an edge or take one off.

My personal preference is for strong women. I run slipshod over soft women, and they get hurt too easily around me. I'm a pretty empathetic guy, but I also get caught up in whatever I'm devoting my time to, and being considerate at all times is not a strong suit for me.

Among most of the men I talk to, the preference seems to be soft women. Even a lot of the men I know who are very good with women still prefer soft women. I'll explore why this is a little later in this article.


Inexperienced/Experienced

Again, like softness/strength, inexperienced/experienced is not black and white. A girl who's very experienced to one man comes across like a naïve amateur to another. A lot of that is based on the man's experience; the more experienced a man is with women, the more women will begin to seem relatively inexperienced to him, and the less experienced he is, the more they will appear.

Here, our two camps are:

  • The inexperienced ones, and

  • The experienced ones

For our purposes, we're defining these two traits thusly:

  • Inexperienced Women: inexperienced women are less seasoned in the ways of romance, dating, sex, and men. They believe more in love, have fewer walls up against others and are more easily influenced and led, are more trusting, have less emotional baggage from negative previous encounters, and are less certain of exactly what they want and don't want.

  • Experienced Women: experienced women are more seasoned in the ways of romance, dating, sex, and men. They believe less in love, have more walls up against others and are more difficult to influence and lead, are more skeptical of others' intentions, have more emotional baggage from negative previous encounters, and are more certain of exactly what they want and don't want.

There's a bit of a cultural double-standard when it comes to experience levels in women. Cultures both normally dislike the "facts" of an experienced women (i.e., she's dated around a lot, slept around a lot, and known many men), but love the "presentation" of an experienced woman (i.e., she's charming, svelte, confident, composed, measured, worldly, cosmopolitan, talented with people, etc.). You'll frequently see cultures discouraging women from becoming experienced, but lauding those women who are... so long as it isn't explicitly communicated that those women are, that is.

As discussed in the article on roughly identifying how many partners a woman has had, there are some very real reasons why cultures dissuade women from becoming experienced (i.e., with each new sexual partner, a woman's infidelity risk increases 7%, and infidelity leads to broken families, lowered productivity levels, and less successful children, which on a large enough scale slow down and undermine the culture at large).

However, just as you become more experienced with women, you also become more attractive to them, the same is true for women. As a woman becomes more experienced with men, she tends to become better at dating, seducing, captivating, and maintaining relationships with them as well.


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If you're like most men reading this post, you're already sitting there saying, "I want one of the inexperienced girls!" and there's a pretty good chance what you're saying is, "I want the soft inexperienced girl!"

Well, wait just a second there.

You might think you know what kinds of girls you want... but do you?

The research says "no." Have a look - from a paper entitled "Do advertised preferences predict the behavior of speed daters?" by Robert Kurzban of the University of Pennsylvania's Department of Psychology, and Jason Weeden of Arizona State University's Department of Psychology:

Because researchers are making increasing use of data gleaned from Internet dating sites, it is important to know if the preferences people specify in Internet advertisements predict the choices that they actually make. HurryDate, a commercial speed-dating firm, collected data from over 10,000 people in their 20s, 30s, and 40s who participated in speed-dating events in cities across the United States. The present analysis compared these speed daters’ advertised preferences with their decisions to attend particular events and their choices of potential partners at the events they attended. Findings indicated that speed daters’ advertisements reflect frequently replicated sex differences and assortative patterns and that these advertised mate preferences predicted their decisions to attend particular events. Advertised preferences did not, in contrast, substantially predict decisions within events. These results support the conclusion that advertised preferences predict behavior in the mating domain in some contexts but not others.

That is to say, if you say you really like charismatic blondes, you'd be more likely to attend Scandinavian Speed Dating Night than you would Japanese Speed Dating Night or West African Speed Dating Night, but once you got there you might hit it off with a demure brunette a lot more than you did any of the charismatic blondes present.

The choices people actually make often have little correlation with the preferences they claim to have.

Therefore, most of the time when people tell me they know exactly what they want, I call tomfoolery on their logical brain's part.

That's what your logical brain thinks. But when it comes to love at first sight, mating, pair bonding, and sexual excitement, your logical brain doesn't have a whole lot of say. That's your emotional brain's domain there - and let's look at how that picks mates.


What's the Research Have to Say?

Softness/strength and inexperienced/experienced are two separate dimensions on attractiveness, and this is where things start getting hazy and anecdotal, so let's see how science weighs in. Here's what science has to say on experience.

From "Effects of Premarital Sexual Standards and Behavior on Dating and Marriage Desirability:"

This paper concerns the effects of sexual attitudes, lifetime sexual behavior, number of coital partners, and the social context of this behavior on dating and marriage desirability. Both male and female respondents were shown to prefer moderately experienced partners, regardless of respondent's own experience level. Unlike previous research no interactions between respondent's behavior and rated person's behavior were found. No evidence for the existence of the traditional double standard was found among these young, single university students; men and women, equally, held a standard that allowed maximization of personal sexual gratification but limited that available to potential partners.

In other words, according to this research conducted on university students in 1985, the preference is for moderately experienced partners. That is to say, not virgins, and not sex pros, either... regardless of where an individual's own experience levels lie (e.g., virgins want moderately experienced partners, and sex experts want moderately experienced partners).

But remember... this is a survey, based on individual's logical preferences, not their emotional/instinctive ones. And as that research just above showed us, what people say they want, and what they actually want, are two very different things.

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Another paper, this one from five years earlier in 1980 and named "Effects of Sexual Experience on Dating Desirability and Marriage Desirability: An Experimental Study," had this to say:

An experimental investigation of the effects of the level of sexual experience of men and women college students on their evaluations of opposite-sex peers varying in sexual experience was performed. Inexperienced men, and both inexperienced and moderately experienced women, rated highly experienced opposite-sex peers as less desirable dates and marriage partners than inexperienced and moderately experienced persons. Moderately and highly experienced men and highly experienced women tended to rate all opposite-sex peers similarly along these same dimensions. The findings were discussed in terms of the acquisition and social meanings of interpersonal sexual information and the methodological differences between the present study and earlier survey investigations.

So here we have a study that found that inexperienced men, inexperienced women, and moderately experienced women found highly experienced partners less desirable than inexperienced or moderately experienced partners, while moderately experienced men, highly experienced men, and highly experienced women rated all partners as equally desirable.

Different survey. Different results.

Based on what research I've been able to locate, I think it's relatively safe to say that science hasn't yet taken much of a look on what people actually are drawn to (as opposed to what they think they're drawn to), at least in this arena.

So, I'm going to rely instead on my experience in the field: my personal experience, what I've seen among countless friends, customers, and clients in this niche, and what I've seen among the countless couples of all kinds I've met over a number of years of very active socializing and meeting new people.

Here's how I think this actually breaks down, when logical rules are set aside and we look at people's real preferences.


Kinds of Girls Men Want, By Kinds of Men They Are

When I posted the "how many partners" article, some commenters said, "This applies to men too!" Which I completely agree with.

And it's exactly the same here - that grid of softness/strength and inexperienced/experienced applies every bit to men as it does to women.

Just like women, there are soft men and strong men. And just like women, there are inexperienced men and experienced ones.

And from what I have seen over 7+ years of experience in this domain, I'd tell you it works like this:

  • You can move in either direction parallel to your square and be happy
  • If you date in your square, you'll be unhappy
  • If you date diagonally opposite your square, you're headed for some big fights

How's this work? First, let's figure out how you rank on each of these.

Do you:

  • Actively take the lead?
  • Like to be the center of attention?
  • Prefer the starring role to the support role?
  • Let people know it when you're annoyed?
  • Get accused of being cocky or overly confident sometimes?
  • Tend to never back down when you find yourself in an argument?

If you mostly said "yes," you fall more on the "strong" side of things. If you mostly said "no," you're on the "softer" side (but you don't have to tell anybody else; and heck, you're reading my article, not me reading yours, so you know I'll never know!).

On experience, do you:

  • Consider yourself an expert on dating, sex, and relationships?
  • Not really believe all that much in "love" or "romance?"
  • Find it easy to resist and brush off pushy people?
  • Consider yourself skeptical and cynical (as opposed to trusting and accepting)?
  • Have some suspicion or other issues leftover from earlier relationships?
  • Know exactly what you want and exactly what you don't?

If you mostly said "yes, that's me," you're closer to "experienced" than the alternative. If you went down the list going, "not really, no...," then you're closer to inexperienced.

Note: this one's a little tricky, because you will sometimes meet people acting or even thinking they are something they're not here. e.g., the guy who's a virgin who acts cynical and bitter and says, "Love is one big lie!" and thinks he knows it all about dating and sex and relationships because he's well-read on the topic. The instant that guy ends up with a girl for real though, he turns into a kitten, usually.

On the other hand, you have the really emotional guys who flit from lover to lover, and have tons of experience with dating and sex but will tell you, "I don't think anyone can ever truly understand a woman!" with a hint of romance and passion, believe wholeheartedly in true love (although they never seem to find it, or it never lasts for long when they do), are the very opposite of skeptical and cynical, and are largely suspicion-free.

If one of those sounds like you, put yourself into the inexperienced or experienced camp based on your actual physical experience with women anyway, even though you might think you fit the characteristics of a different quadrant. The kinds of women you'll respond to will still be the same.

Have a look here at how our personality types interact:

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Remember,

  • You can move in either direction parallel to your square and be happy
  • If you date in your square, you'll be unhappy
  • If you date diagonally opposite your square, you're headed for some big fights

The simplest way to think of this is in terms of leadership. Those work out as such:

  1. Soft/inexperienced has the least leadership ability
  2. Strong/experienced has the greatest leadership ability
  3. Strong/inexperienced and soft/experienced are both somewhere in the middle

Hand-in-hand with leadership tendencies go dominance, assertiveness, self-confidence, and more.


Good Pairings

To save myself from writing out needlessly long descriptions and to save you from reading them, I'll abbreviate these as follows:

  • FT: Soft
  • TR: Strong
  • IN: Inexperienced
  • EX: Experienced

Here are the good pairings and how they work out.

  1. FT/IN with TR/IN. Both partners in this dynamic are just beginning to acquaint themselves with the world of dating and sex and relationships. The more tentative FT/IN is happy to be paired up with the bolder TR/IN, who is doing the trailblazing and exploring for the both of them, while the TR/IN appreciates having the support and encouragement of the FT/IN there learning right along with him/her and up for whatever the adventure at hand may be. The dynamic here is "partner-in-crime + exploratory partner."

  2. FT/IN with FT/EX. In this setup, the FT/IN takes the FT/EX as a sort of guide and partner. Both partners here make each other feel more secure; the FT/EX is glad to have found an FT/IN, whom experience tells him/her is likely to stay supportive and loyal so long as he/she is treated well, and the FT/IN is happy to have found an FT/EX who is gentle with his/her emotions despite the experience gap, and uses that advantage in experience to anticipate the FT/IN's needs and make the kinds of romantic, thoughtful gestures the FT/IN loves. The dynamic here is "loving partner + caring partner."

  3. TR/EX with FT/EX. Here, the stronger partner natural leads the softer partner, but because both are experienced the gap isn't too great. The FT/EX is experienced enough to not let his/her emotions run wild when encountering the powerful TR/EX, and astute enough to play coy and keep the TR/EX interested. The dynamic here is "powerful partner + coy partner."

  4. TR/EX with TR/IN. A different dynamic with two strong personalities, the TR/IN looks upon the TR/EX as a teacher, mentor, and guide, in addition to a romantic partner. The TR/EX tends to be what the TR/IN wishes to be, and the TR/EX enjoys having a partner in crime who looks up to him/her with admiring eyes. The dynamic here is "mentor partner + student partner."

If you want to be happiest in your relationships, make sure you figure out which of these four quadrants you fall in, and date women who fall into one of the two adjacent quadrants.

Now let's have a look at the other possible pairings.


Bad Pairings

There are also some really bad pairings among these four quadrants, and you want to make sure you don't get stuck in any of them.

  1. FT/IN with TR/EX. The dominance gap is too wide here, and the TR/EX eats up and spits out the FT/IN for breakfast without even meaning to. If you're the FT/IN in this dynamic, be prepared to have your heart crushed and torn to pieces totally by accident. If you're the TR/EX, be prepared for way more hurt feelings coming out of the FT/IN than you know what to do with, and clinginess and neediness like you wouldn't believe.

  2. TR/IN with FT/EX. Rather than hurt feelings, "irritation" is the name of the game here. The FT/EX considers himself/herself more experienced and thus by default the more natural leader of the two, and very much is irritated by the misguided fits and starts and impulsive behavior of the TR/IN. Meanwhile, the TR/IN quickly ends up annoyed at the FT/EX's conservative "parenting" style toward the relationship when the TR/IN really just wants to run free and thinks the FT/EX should probably be more like him/her. Be prepared for constant power struggles and lots of frustration coming out of either quadrant.

  3. FT/IN with FT/IN. This pairing of like and like leads to a whole lot of nothing, with each partner tentative, hesitant, and unsure. It's an unlikely pairing to occur, because both partners are normally too timid to initiate dating and relationships. However, if proximity happens to put two FT/INs in close contact and the two do somehow end up dating, be prepared for a relationship filled with fog, confusion, and inaction.

  4. TR/IN with TR/IN. Two restless souls, a pair of TR/INs may have a brief and passionate fling, but they'll soon find themselves tugging one another in opposite directions as each rushes off to follow his or her own path of exploration and adventure. The longer these two try to stay together, the more strained things tend to become, and they usually don't last together long because of it.

  5. FT/EX with FT/EX. This is another unusual mix, simply because FT/EXes tend not to be very attracted to one another. If two do end up together, they can be content, but there's a feeling of "something missing" in the relationship that neither partner can quite put a finger on. What's missing is a clear leader, and one partner that's very dominant over the other. For this relationship to survive, one of the partners must transition to TR characteristics, or the two will eventually drift apart, with reasons like, "It just didn't work out," or, "That magic something simply wasn't there."

  6. TR/EX with TR/EX. What's more fearsome than a pair of T-rexes battling it out? A coupling of TR/EXes is a powder keg waiting to explode, two very dominant individuals used to controlling their spheres and everyone and everything in them, now suddenly together without a clear leader. These relationships, when they happen, tend to be brief and passionate flings, followed by equally ferocious partings. With neither partner willing to subjugate his or her will to the other, they never last long.

If you end up in one of these relationships (or you've realized you're in one already), you don't necessarily have to start looking for the exit door immediately, but you might want to plan for what happens after the relationship has run its course.


How Do You Use This in Real Life?

You can use these quadrants to be more aware of the kinds of girls who appeal to you most, and more quickly screen out the women you're incompatible with.

If you are:

  • An FT/IN, the enthusiasm and adventurousness of a TR/IN will enamor you, and the careful attentiveness and romancing of an FT/EX will allure you, but stay away from the TR/EX, who will make you wish you never started dating and turn you into a bitter man, and avoid falling for another FT/IN, as you'll find it more disappointing than anything else.

  • A TR/IN, having an FT/IN sidekick is going to be a blast, and learning from a TR/EX mentor who's already been there and done that is going to be tremendously rewarding. But stay away from dating another TR/IN, who's going to drive you insane with the same kinds of demands on you you're accustomed to making of others, and an FT/EX, who's neither going to take the lead with you nor serve as a willing follower, and will drive you batty.

  • An FT/EX, you'll delight in having an FT/IN to nurture and take care of, and dating a TR/EX can be exciting and rewarding. But you'll find dating another FT/EX to be rather deflating an experience, and the rambunctious but rough-edged TR/IN is only going to bother you.

  • A TR/EX, an FT/EX will intrigue you with her wiles and charms, and a TR/IN will thrill you with her boundless energy and zest, but prepare for explosive times if you start seeing another TR/EX, and get ready to be nagged and sweetnessed-to-death by the clingy, innocent, and needy FT/IN if you end up dating her.

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And that's it. All you really have to remember are two simple types: the two you get on best with.

Then get out there, keep those two kinds of girls in mind, and get yourself looking for them in the real world, in the flesh.

And, if you've read this far, drop me a brief line in the comments which type of girl you like the best, and what it is about her you adore.

Yours,
Chase

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Qd6's picture

Really awesome article


At first I didn't know which category I was in but after reading it a couple times over it makes a lot of sense to me why I picked the girls I did in the past. Good stuff!

Quick question though - do people transition out of the different categories over time and is it done easily? I feel like I've moved from the soft inexperienced to strong inexperienced over time and I'm working on moving to the strong experienced in the near future, again, a pretty awesome read during lunch break :)

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Transitioning Between Types

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Hi Qd,

Transitioning between soft and strong is possible, although I think the transition you make is normally into your "real" (read: inborn) personality inclinations, and away from learned ones.

e.g., you may naturally have a strong personality, but for whatever reason during your childhood and adolescence, you controlled yourself into being softer (usually you'll see society pushing strong children to behave soft, and not the other way around). So, you adopted a style that never really fit and always made you unhappy, until you finally shed it.

Occasionally it happens the other way, with a naturally soft person pushed to be strong (e.g., to support his family if the father disappears, say, or to join the military and take on an aggressive warrior persona that doesn't come natural to him).

But, you can certainly transition here, although its hard, and in the end your natural category is going to win out.

Chase

Jered's picture

Awesome post!! I'm amazed how


Awesome post!! I'm amazed how accurately this describes what I see in real life. I recently cut contact with a strong/ inexperienced girl I made some blunders with. I noticed your post earlier this week about cutting contact covered mostly texting situations. This girl is now in one of my college classes this semester and yesterday I said hi, how's it going. To which I had an extemwly brief convo. In cases like these where u run into a girl u cut contact online, should I have even said hi to her in real life? Thanks Chase!

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Seeing a Girl You Cut Contact with

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Hi Jered,

Normally when you see a girl you've cut contact with, it's more useful to build tension. So, give her a quick and warm, "Hi!," then keep moving / get re-immersed in whatever it is you're doing (i.e., don't engage her in small talk).

When you get into a quick conversation, you defuse tension, and she's able to feel, "Ahhh, okay, that's better; he knows I'm not interested in him but we're still cool and can still be friends." When you don't do that, tension builds, and she begins to realize that she really is cut off from your value if she isn't providing value to you that you value. She may become cold and angry if she has zero romantic/sexual interest in you and auto-rejects knowing that she can't have you as a platonic guy friend, but if she has some interest, this will be heightened as a result of the tension as she realizes you're actually a strong guy who has no problem cutting ties with people who aren't providing something he values back in return for him giving them the time and attention they value.

Chase

Flames's picture

Kerching....


You've just hit on something I've been currently doing which kind of stemmed from trying to push being 'creepy' to it limits and that is, actually seeing how far I can go with auto-rejection and I appear to have found someone who absolutely will not auto-reject.

Now I've got 2 theories here, she has absolutely no interest in me which wouldnt exactly fit with the way she acts BL & EC wise, or the other alternative is she's already made up her mind and she's just patiently waiting for the right time, which as crazy as it sounds it about the only thing that seems to fit.

This is a surprise to me as I'd have thought she'd have auto-rejected way earlier than most girls.

If that doesn't make any sense I'm sorry, lol.

Regards
Flames

Zac's picture

Stripped me all my past relations. :(!


Hi Chase,

You just owned me. I am soft and experienced and there's a particular situations where girl i dated and a guy co-worker, both who is strong but inexperienced, and she was HIGHLY irritating, and the guy, he was more like acting to me.

Astonishing models here. I thought that i develop myself becoming a strong and experienced guy, i might ran into another Spinosaurus like Jurassic Park 3. Hehs.

Nevertherless, it's accurate, i am quite astonish as to how you manage to put this. This stuff is pure gold. I get along well with girls who are inexperienced and also women who are experienced, and they fall for me too.
Also Perhaps now i know why, i can get along with you. HAHA! although this part, if the relevance between guys do clash? seems like it maybe.

Zac

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Hi Chase,

You just owned me. I am soft and experienced and there's a particular situations where girl i dated and a guy co-worker, both who is strong but inexperienced, and she was HIGHLY irritating, and the guy, he was more like acting to me.

Astonishing models here. I thought that i develop myself becoming a strong and experienced guy, i might ran into another Spinosaurus like Jurassic Park 3. Hehs.

Nevertherless, it's accurate, i am quite astonish as to how you manage to put this. This stuff is pure gold. I get along well with girls who are inexperienced and also women who are experienced, and they fall for me too.
Also Perhaps now i know why, i can get along with you. HAHA! although this part, if the relevance between guys do clash? seems like it maybe.

*Added

You are smart, Chase. Because i was thinking why being warmth, relatable, strong silent type is all important. Although you cannot get along with another strong and experienced women, and inexperienced and soft women, both for long term, I see that you are able to jump to become somewhat soft/experienced by being the more silent type, when you meet a stronger/experienced opponent. Eventually you will wear the person down, and you earn his or her respect. Both sides win.

I have jump in between you being seen as soft and strong experienced. and i guess maybe you've done it a lot? :) IT can be done somewhat although it takes much attention and practice, to be intuitive. and also too much focus on the person rather than it compliments you.

Zac

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Personality Clashes / Moving Between Quadrants

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Hey Zac,

Yeah, if you're FT/EX, those TR/IN girlfriends and friends can *really* get on your nerves! It's absolutely the same for platonic friendships too, including those with other men... many of the clashes between coworkers can be categorized as clashes between these personality types.

You can shift how you present yourself back and forth between soft and strong, but only temporarily. For instance, if you're soft, you can adopt a more dominant, assertive personality and move into TR/EX, but you'll slip back to FT/EX eventually if that's your normal, preferred modus operandi (and there are no outside forces pushing you to remain TR/EX). Your preferences seem to shift when you shift personality types, interestingly (you'd think your core preferences would remain).

When I used to work an office job, I'd take on an FT/EX personality (it's a lot harder to act inexperienced and eager when you're not than it is to just restrain your dominance, in my experience), because I never was in a position to be the TR/EX at work and not step on my bosses' toes. I'd frequently find myself clashing with TR/INs, who'd be trying to boss me around despite their lack of skill or experience. When I'm running my own business and fully in charge though, I like TR/INs, because the dynamic has changed, and now they're in a position of being eager to learn from me and viewing me as a teacher, rather than an obstacle.

A lot of it is probably based then on how others' reactions to you change as you shift quadrants, as much as it is your own preferences.

Adopting an alternate type to woo women of a quadrant you'd normally not get along with can work, but it's frequently less satisfying, probably because it's a very fleeting transition. For instance, if you shift artificially into TR/EX to sleep with a TR/IN you'll still have an urge to smack the TR/IN upside the head, and if it's to get an FT/EX, you'll still feel rather bored with her, regardless of how she feels about you masquerading in a TR/EX personality.

Chase

Lanoa's picture

Another good one


Just what I was thinking about this week, you couldn't time this one better. Easy to grasp and solid advice like always. Assured me of where I stand and what kind of girls should I pick.

I have been watching the dynamics of preference/wish - reality for some time, since you tend to mention it frequently and I started to notice how they differ many times, it is really interesting how things go by your radar unnoticed and yet they are so visible. Your advice of slowing down and watching people interact really made notice a whole new world for me.

Gotta dig your posts Chase, thanks for this one.

L.

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Stated Preference / Actual Preference

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Lanoa-

By preference/wish I think you're talking about the difference between stated and actual preferences, yeah? That one's killer... as you pay attention, you'll see so many people talk about how they absolutely want one thing and not another, and then go bring the exact opposite of whatever that thing they claimed to really want into their lives. It's like the logical mind is completely unaware of what the rest of their brain has already decided it's going to go get... it's living in some logically-constructed fantasyland, influenced by society and rational though, but totally unhinged from reality. It's really pretty weird when you begin to notice how poorly people actually know themselves.

Chase

GregH's picture

Spot on! Diagonal Match Example


Hey Chase, great and very interesting read! Made me think about my previous relationship of 2 years, and the experience overall. My ex fits into the Soft/Experienced type. She's a fantastic girl, one of the kindest people I've ever met, but issues with her dad growing up and an unfortunate history of abusive relationships caused her to have a lot of walls and disbelief in love. Considering that I fall into the Strong/Inexperienced type, your comment about never dating diagonally across your square made me laugh.

In retrospect, our relationship was filled with more fights than I noticed, often passive aggressiveness directed at me, and on rare occasions screaming/thrown items. I learned a lot from the experience, mainly that I *cannot save her* as I foolishly attempted for so long. As it happened, we became friends in college, and for two years I held a private crush. Then unlearned, I didn't realize this was self-defeating and only furthered my placement in the friend-zone. However, in late 2010 I made a series of life decisions that resulted in an almost new, upgraded version of myself. This played to my advantage, and after a period of 6 exhausting months I defied the odds and climbed out of the friend-zone and into a romantic relationship. Things were amazing in the beginning, passionate and adventurous, but took a turn after three months when she was the first to say "I love you." While I was elated, she grew curiously closed off. It was then she slowly began revealing her troubled past, commitment issues, and vast insecurity. I realized these were all red flags, but after escaping the friend-zone I was heavily invested, not to mention having fallen in love myself.

In your analysis of bad pairings you noted that power struggles would be the cause of grief as both parties would attempt to be in control. We didn't really experience this, due to admittedly, her becoming the leader in our relationship after the three month revelation. This was definitely at odds with my nature, but she had become my weakness, not to mention she knew how to turn on the waterworks to incite a surrender. As expected, this evolving role shift brought around a passion trap; as my determined affection for the damsel-in-distress grew, she withdrew further behind her walls. However, the resultant drama frequently occurring in effect caused me to continue with the relationship far longer than I should have, appealing to my love of challenges and stubborn demeanor. Each time she tried to sabotage us in order to prove that I would leave her like everyone else had, my desire to stay only grew in order to prove that incorrect. I felt the need to show her she was worth caring for, contrasting how she saw herself.

Despite the difficulties, overall I do not regret having the experience at all. I'm thankful in many ways because this was the first time I truly grew to care for someone romantically, and also learned a lot about my needs and what I desire from a relationship. This article helped add some focus to the type of woman I'm seeking, mainly the Soft/Inexperienced type, which you accurately describe to be a "partner-in-crime" match for me. Can't wait to meet her.

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Greg-

Interesting tale - thanks for sharing. Yes, you can try to subjugate your needs and normal personality traits for the good of the relationship, although eventually "you" are going to burst back forth.

Sounds like this one was a great experience for you overall though, and indeed - those relationships where you finally get together after months or years of sexual tension can be some of the most explosively passionate at the outset, and they can lead to both partners falling very much in love very quickly.

You seem like you came out of it strained but not broken - you learned a lot without it turning you bitter. An FT/IN will be a lot of fun for you - that time, you'll get to take the lead.

Chase

Anonymous's picture

This is scary...


In this article, "you will sometimes meet people acting or even thinking they are something they're not her. e.g., the guy who's a virgin who acts cynical and bitter and says, "Love is one big lie!" and thinks he knows it all about dating and sex and relationships because he's well-read on the topic. The instant that guy ends up with a girl for real though, he turns into a kitten, usually.".

I personally, believe I won't fall in-love with someone who I don't think is suitable for me. But I land in the TR/IN square. Does that mean I'd fall in-love and not think straight if I'm in a relationship? What if red flags pop up? I've read your article on settling down and the thought of it sends chills down my spine...

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I totally get this


You are right on the money, see my comment for an example of this:

https://www.girlschase.com/content/4-kinds-girls-and-which-ones-you-shou...

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Not Thinking Straight

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Hi Anon,

It's very hard to remain in control when you're inexperienced, no matter how well-read you are or how solidly you think your boundaries are defined. Once you're actually out there playing, suddenly it's all happening fast, and you're riding on instinct for a while until your brain catches up enough that you're able to start tapping your knowledge banks of the things you've studied and learned and you're able to run more on logic than pure emotions and you start examining situations and recognizing where mistakes are happening and concocting a game plan you think you should use and execute on.

If you're still young, I probably wouldn't worry too much about settling down, unless you meet a really amazing girl right out of the gates and both of you rush into things. Even then... most of the time, one of you will have enough reservations that (and it might still be difficult) you part ways to grow in experience and learn what you really want first.

Chase

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Skin care


Hey Chase,

Awesome post!

For men's skin care, would you recommend that I:

A) Get a professional facial
B) See a dermatologist
C) Attempt to navigate the world of do-it-yourself skin care
D) Focus on other fundamentals first, since it doesn't matter that much for seduction
?

I realized that I notice a woman's skin quality immediately and unconsciously, and it factors a lot into how attractive I think she is, so I would think it's the same way for women looking at men.

I'd like to make improvements to my skin, but am a little worried that I'll end up damaging it instead of helping it, which is why I thought of A) and B). And looking for the right products seems to be a massive time-sink, with more confusing advertising than perhaps any other field.

Best,
M

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Hey M,

To be honest, I don't have a great deal of expertise in skin care... I have oily skin myself, which created some problems for me with pimples when younger, but lends itself to healthy-looking skin that ages well as you age.

My best recommendation would be, if your skin is oily, simply make sure you clean your face in the morning and at night so the pores don't get blocked up and become pimples; if it isn't as oily, add moisturizer to your skin and avoid smoking and too much sun exposure to keep it from aging prematurely.

Aside from that, if you have specific skin problems, you should probably see a doctor (if it's pimples, though, try a hot compress; these work wonders). I've looked at the research on various skincare products, and the findings seem to be that there's no permanent "anti-aging" effect from any skin product; the best these do is simply moisturize the skin and make it appear younger. Moral of the story is, don't put too much salt in the advertising in the skincare industry.

Chase

Derrick's picture

Just a minor issue, but it's


Just a minor issue, but it's Robert Kurzban, not Robert Kurban

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Kurzban

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Thanks Derrick; just fixed.

Chase

Derrick's picture

You have a lot of really good


You have a lot of really good information on your site, I just still have a lot of AA, and since it's Winter I really just don't feel like fighting it.

Anonymous's picture

Great Article...what about attracting the different types?


This article is excellent, as usual. I appreciate what you do here man. Knowledge is power. And I read in one of your articles that girls obsess over dating information and try their hardest to improve. I was reminded of this the other day when I had some conversations some new girls and they started mentioning some dating philosophies (verbatim) that I only heard when I read it online and on here, and then it struck me how serious these Cosmopolitans take this stuff! Sometimes some girls misinterpret the information it seems and they try to frame you into boxes...which is why frame-control is an important skill to learn.

Anyway, one observation is that the conclusions provided here play an excellent role in the 'end' of things...assuming that you end up actually attracting a woman and got a chance to know her, and then assessing whether to keep her or understanding why things went wrong (incompatible personality types).

However, when you meet a new woman, you don't necessarily know the type of woman she is and therefore you must experiment and get her to act (instead of tell you), to really figure out who she is. Unfortunately many people, including women, wear masks, and you have to cut thru the BS to get to the quick of them. Some people are more willing to open up than others and I have a hard time trying to pry and get people to open up. Some girls prefer to just have sex and keep things shallow than to risk opening up and getting deep (thus having stronger feelings). When I have tried to get them to open up, I feel like I'm prying and I back off. Maybe there's conversational techniques that I haven't yet discovered that can help deep diving flow more fluidly without feeling like an interview or a shrink!

Anyway what I wanted to ask is if you have any advice on techniques to attract the different types? How they respond to dominance, sexiness, chase-framing flirting, etc? Which ones are more likely to have last minute resistance etc. A more of point A-Z approach, if you will. It's really hard to say because each woman is different, but if you have any ideas, it'd be great.

In my experience all girls that I have had relationships with like chase-framing to some degree but the more experienced types tend to understand and like it more... they seem appreciate the social savvy over being more blunt and direct (until of course you have them in bed, then the real deal comes out). With the less experienced types, I have to sometimes adjust on-the-fly and say things in less subtle ways so they have a clue of what I mean... but it's always fun to socialize!

Thanks man.

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Attracting Different Types

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Hey Anon-

That's a good question. For identifying early on, you can look for energy levels / enthusiasm / how reserved someone is or not... TRs tend to be more open and enthusiastic, while FTs tend to be more cautious and reserved. Experience-wise, INs are a bit more curious and "fresh," while EXes are rather more focused and "been there, done that"-like.

Attracting any of these types basically consists of adopting a type that they're most naturally attracted to. i.e., if you meet a girl who's TR/IN, if you act like an FT/EX she's going to run for cover, and if you act like another TR/IN she's not even going to notice you. But if you're a soft FT/IN, she may become excited and chase after you, or if you're a power-exuding TR/EX she may thrust herself upon you as a willing pupil and aspirant.

Conversely, if you meet an FT/IN, being a powerful TR/EX is going to terrify her into hiding, and she won't take note of you if you're another FT/IN. But if you're a TR/IN, she'll probably be checking you out shyly and hoping you'll approach, and if you're an FT/EX she'll think you're her soul mate the instant you look at her with your soft eyes.

LMR is both a product of her experience, and what role she wants you in in her life. e.g., if she's FT/IN, she doesn't know what she wants, and is likely to resist you no matter what. TR/INs are actually the least likely to resist, because they want to explore naturally and haven't learned to appear more ladylike by resisting more yet. FT/EXes and TR/EXes have learned to use LMR to increase their mate value, and will do so with you, unless they are certain they want to sleep with you AND certain you're someone they have no chance at a future with, in which case the LMR gets dropped.

Dominance and chase framing work especially well with the TRs, and relatively well with the FT/EXes. You need to dial these down a good bit with FT/INs to not make them feel overwhelmed and out of their element, however. An FT/EX enjoys these up to a point, but if it becomes too much for whatever her level of experience is, she'll begin to close off. TR/EXes have seen it all before, but they still enjoy it, since most men don't use these properly; TR/INs haven't seen it before, so it's doubly exciting for them - again, so long as they aren't overwhelmed (although their resistance to this is a bit higher than an FT/EX's).

Chase

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hey chase... not really sure


hey chase... not really sure where to post these questions but these are questions i've had for a long time and have been meaning to ask you?

1) what body type to you feel is most attractive to females? big and bulky or more lean and toned?

2) what's your opinion on meditation and dating?

3) what are your favorite stores to shop at?

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Body Types / Meditation

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Hi Anon,

Some pretty broad questions!

On 1), most women will tell you they prefer lean and toned. However, you'll notice that confident women respond with natural excitement to very big, bulky men. So I'd say, logically, it's lean and toned; viscerally / emotionally / sexually, it's big and bulky.

Not sure exactly what you mean combining meditation and dating, but you can use visualization while meditating to improve your results in dating, and this can be a great way of overcoming mental hangups you might have in the area.

On 3), I assume you mean clothing? I don't really go shopping much, and much of my clothing is custom made. However, when I look for new and interesting items, my first stop is always Guess... it's been the most consistent source of cool, trendy clothing out of any other clothing shop I've found, and compared to some of the higher end places, the prices aren't totally outrageous either. For dress shoes and dress/cowboy boots I like Aldo, and for sneakers it's Camper.

Chase

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Plugged In


Hey Chase. Good article. I was wondering if you have any suggestions on how to approach girls who are listening to their iPods with the earbuds in. This could be especially valuable information when paired up with your gym article. Thanks!

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iPods

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Anon-

Sure, this one's easy. You simply walk up to the girl, make eye contact, smile at her nicely, then, while holding eye contact, make a somewhat exaggerated hand gesture bringing your hands up to your ears, pretending to pull out your imaginary earbuds, and leave your hands hanging next to your head as you hold eye contact insistently in the "pulled out" gesture until she pulls her own earbuds out. Essentially, you're commanding her to take her earbuds out to listen to you. Once she does, you can start talking to her - usually you'll need to start with a direct opener here to make it relevant to having walked up and made a demand of her like this, although sometimes you might be able to find a situationally relevant reason.

Chase

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Chase how do you go about


Chase how do you go about picking up girls in yoga class?

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Yoga Class

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Student-

I'm not much help on this one - I can honestly say I've never been to a yoga class in my life! So, I'm not sure what the opportunities to talk are there, or if the instructor is constantly giving orders and you have to remain quiet, or what. There was a short thread on it on the forums here:

Yoga

Ross has some advice there for the question asker - his main point is one of the things you'll be fighting is getting seen as the guy who's "just there to meet girls."

Chase

ASky's picture

All you need to know


Don't try to pick up girls and you'll do well ;-)

Vaughn 's picture

Slowness/immature


Hey Chase, people have been calling me slow my entire life and I'm tired of it. I'm a laid back dude that will lose his attention if the topic is boring, I also have a lot of muscles so people think I'm like a jock, brawn over brain. But I've always done well in school and people are surprised when I do well, because they think I'm really dumb. Chase how am I suppose to act so people will think that I'm intelligent instead of slow?

How can I become more mature ? I feel immature.

You have nice pictures on your website. Are the girls, girls you picked up?

Thank you!!!!

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Hey Vaughn,

“Seeming intelligent” is a lot about the things you say / do in conversations, and your facial expressions. The more you look focused, the more intelligent you tend to look: zeroed-in eyes, clarity of speech, speaking less and either asking insightful questions or making insightful points when you do speak. Maturity’s related to this too… goofy / juvenile humor and behavior will get you labeled as “immature,” and if there’s too much of it people may assume you’re unintelligent, too. If you’re laid back, it could be facial expressions (e.g., lax / unfocused facial expressions rather than the sharp expressions perceived as intelligent and mature), could be things like how you laugh (certain kinds of laughs get pegged as “sounding dumb”)… could be a lot of things. I’d advise grabbing a couple of good friends and sitting down with them and saying, “Help me out, man, I’m trying to upgrade myself here. What about me makes me seem like I’m slow and immature?”

And as for the pictures on the site… they’re from stock photo sites ;)

Chase

Phil's picture

My girls friend bringing up the past


Hey chase my gf has a gay friend who keeps on bringing up her pass while I am present. The last two times we were all together he brought up her ex boyfriend. The first time he did it he did it as a joke and stated, "hey Phil I heard jay(ex bf) was here last week". I just stared at him and didn't say anything and there was an awkward silence until my gf said something and they continued on with a convo. My gf warned me that he is very possessive and protective of her, in a way he gets jealous when she has a bf. She also told me that he will do stuff like this so I was prepared. What irks me though is that he would actually bring stuff up and try to make me mad or annoyed on purpose. I just find it highly disrespectful to me and my gf, for he is trying to ruin a relationship. So I'm wondering is if I handled the situation correctly by ignoring him and putting social pressure on him? Or should I handle it in a different way next time it happens? I try my best to a avoid hanging out with her when she is with friends but this friend basically lives at her house. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

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Bothersome Friends

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Phil-

When it’s the girl’s friends who are being disruptive, don’t try to handle it yourself. Instead, ask her to handle it, like so:

“Anna, do you mind talking to Joey? He’s acting possessive and weird again.”

Don’t engage the guy, just keep asking the girl to deal with it. This does two things for you:

  • It shifts the work of dealing with HER friend’s odd behavior over to her, instead of you having to deal with it, and
  • It also shifts most of the annoyance over to her too, because she’s the one who’s having to deal with everything and figure it out

Ultimately, instead of his behavior annoying you the most, it begins annoying HER the most and starts becoming a burden to her. That’s the only way she either tells him to knock it off for good, or she starts winding down the amount of time she spends around him.

Chase

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female friends?


Hi Chase,

Do you have an article on this website on how to make female friends?

Funman

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Female Friends

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Funman,

Not female friends specifically, but one on friends (male and female) here:

How to Make Friends? The Master Key to New Friendships

You'll find that, at least with platonic female friends, it's very much the same making them as it is with males, and the rules in the post apply to both. The only discernible difference is you can be a bit more touchy and flirty with female friends, but otherwise it's completely the same.

Chase

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I moved up a bit...


Your article is clearly on point!

In 2011, I was cleary the Strong Inexperienced type and i dated a girl that was the Soft Experienced type... so I saw all the problems that u wrote...

Now after buying your ebook, reading the articles and going on a few dates I am looking more like the Strong Experienced type. And i got irritated by the neediness of a soft inexperienced type of girl that I called it off with her!

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Cool to hear it, Tayo! Now that you've made the transition, it's a good bet you could end up with a bunch more FT/EXes like that... but this time, most of those problems will be ancient history.

Chase

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Planning Pick ups


Yo chase lately ive had a plan to pick up all the most admired girls in school, I have always been picking up the hottest girls but I'm coming out of a long relationship and im free to get back in the game, already have a girls attention but lately I've been thinking that when i pick girls up i always forget how i managed to do it, its like the only girls i get are girls who by luck end up alone with me... so decided I'm going to start going for what i want rather than waiting for the right moments (escalation windows) so ive been thinking, will planning my pick ups add to my success rate? espI'veecially with people you see almost everyday, you need to have an element of scarcity in pick ups and sometimes i seem to wait for the opportunities to come my way rather than making them happen! so ive had an idea of placing a deadline on my next pick up, i think this would also help people to move faster and feel pressured to move things. so ive read the article on how to get girls alone and i want to hear your thoughts on planning pick ups and also how you should manage pick ups with people you see every day, questions like should if i deep dive consecutively for a week with one girl would it mean by the weekend i can go in for the first kiss? or should i see her 3 times a week in order to add the element of scarcity... will seeing her and getting her alone spending time with her violate the law of least effort? i ask this because one of my friends is an amazing pick up artist and has a girl chasing by the end of a week just by talking to her over and over (probably deep diving he makes her talk 70% of the time) I'm dealing with a soft/inexperienced girl who has a pretty high wall, how can i prevent the whole " i don't know you that well" scenario even if you know all about her? (effective deep diving)and lastly, what if i want to go for a girl who is a year ahead? how can i bring the immpressron that I'm not a kid but s potential lover? would i have to make a few friends to have social proof and preselection? or can i get her alone and still manage to complete the pick up?

please give your thoughts and opinions and guide me, this is a test of if I've still got it! and is there a way i can email you my daily progress and you can guide me on my pick up? because i would really love to get coached by you, i mean just your posts alone have changed the way i live my life! from my voice, walk all the way to being one of the most popular and successful men in school. thank you

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Hey Student-

Depends on how you’re inclined to think and feel about things, but for most guys you want to have logistics generally planned out, but don’t plan it out more than that. Just know “I’ll talk to her for one hour here, then move her here and talk for another hour, then take her back home here.” Getting too detailed can mess with your head, so best normally just to have a logistical skeleton to flesh a seduction out on.

Talking to a girl over the course of the week… if you’re in school, this might work. Again, I’m really not the one to ask about high school game – while I was certainly good at getting attention and making a name for myself, I was sitting at a table by myself during high school, rather than macking on babes. Generally I’d advise not to go into connecting with a girl at all until you’re ready to close things out with her and take her to bed… but, maybe there are different rules in high school; it simply isn’t in my area of expertise (and it’s a little late for me to go back and get that expertise, too ;). If that’s working for your friend, I’d suggest sitting down with him to pick his brain a little more and figure out exactly how he sets things up and what kinds of results that gets him.

On email, I stopped offering email coaching packages simply because I felt like the rate I was going to have to charge to make it worth doing was plainly and simply going to be too high for most people. Ricardus is still available via email coaching – we have a 2-email / $100 package up for him (that’s here if interested). His students tend to get some pretty solid results – worth checking out if you want some hands-on guidance.

Aside from that, we have a “Journals” board on the forum that you can use for chronicling your adventures, and if you’re regularly meeting new women you can write up reports for that on the “Field Reports” board and get feedback and critique from other members. Have a look at those – you may just find what you’re looking for.

Chase

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Single Dads


Hey Chase,

I know this is off topic and likely not your expertise, but any tips for single dads? Doing well in general with the ladies (more dates and women then I can handle) and can just keep it a secret, but if I bring it up after 3 dates or so it tends to go downhill afterwards. Test it out sometime if you want, if you're looking for something new to try (1st date or 3rd or whatever).

James

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Hey James-

We had a discussion going on on the forums about exactly this:

When do I tell her I have kids?

The general consensus of the guys there (and I agree) is if you’re not planning on it being something serious, don’t tell her, as it isn’t relevant.

Although, if you’re looking for something more long term, that’s where it gets sticky. I think the two schools of thought on that are:

  • Tell her on Date #1, just as you’re talking about your life, and make it not a big deal, or
  • Sleep with her first, then tell her

I haven’t done this one myself, so I don’t know. Talking about kids is a different variable to throw in, and the reaction you get likely depends on you, her, your age, and her age (e.g., if you’re 40 and telling a 40 year old you’ve got kids, I don’t expect she’ll be all that shocked; if you’re 22 and telling another 22 year old though, she might be surprised).

I’d probably go with not mentioning it at all, and treat all relationships as if they’re going to be casual. If you end up wanting something more serious with her later, sit down with her then and tell her, “Look, we’re starting to get more serious, which I kinda wasn’t expecting. Anyway, I like you, and I dig you, but I don’t want to have anything here where there are differing expectations or whatever. So, I figured I should tell you I have a son/daughter… I don’t think it affects things all that much, but if we do end up being serious you should probably know.”

Of course, if you’re living with your child, that makes things a bit different, and then you probably do need to tell on Date #1. Otherwise, I’d save that for only the situations where a casual relationship starts turning serious, and then just handle it in a very calm, matter-of-fact, not-a-big-deal way.

Chase

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I think she is crawling back


Hey Chase. You have some great article's. I am leaving on a trip soon so I wont be able to catch your answer to my question till I arrive back. Anyway, here it is. I've learned over the years girls enjoy being pursued but if you then cut of said pursuit, it bugs the girl. "Why did he stop chasing me?!" I have had a lot of success of giving a girl some attention and chase and then quickly getting her to be the chaser as I have more important priorities...and it draws girls in. My question however is this. "I think a girl I have some feelings for, who has a boyfriend, may slowly be falling for me. This will then end their relationship if she does fall for me. Do I allow this to happen? As it goes to show she must not like the other guy as much...or...do I let natural selection take its course and stay clear? There are always other girls and I'm sure I will soon find another girl just as great."

I have become quite efficient and strong in the field all because of your advice, and then actually going out and trying it. Not just reading it. Thanks man

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Ex-Girlfriend Crawling Back

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Curiosity-

Well, that depends on what you want. Me, I have a personal philosophy of “never go back, unless you want to get mired in the past,” but then again, I’m probably more hardcore about this stuff than most people are. I’d say if you have options with women and girls to replace her that are as good / better than her, then leave her be and let her have her relationship.

My general feeling on taking girls back is, don’t do it unless you’re ready to give her whatever it is she wanted but didn’t get before. For a girl, the older she gets, the lower quality man she can get, so if you’ve tried her out once and it failed, don’t make her spend more time on you again unless you’re certain that you’re now ready to give her whatever it was she wants that she didn’t get the first time around. There are plenty of other women you can meet, and you can let her be free to go find a man who’ll give her what she wants.

Otherwise, there’s a good chance you end up wasting her time, lowering her market value further, and depressing her efforts to find and land a good man.

Remember, if she’s coming back to you, it’s with hope that things are going to be different this time. I’d recommend not taking her back unless you can make sure they are.

You’ll learn a lot more by shedding the past and bringing a lot more new women into your life than you will by revisiting the girlfriends of Christmases past, in any event ;)

Chase

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RE: Why are girls more likely to talk to me when im unkempt?


Hi Chase,

This is an awesome article, I can definitely attest that what you say hits the jackpot in real life!! Reading through the article, I was reminded how even shy girls often were more keen to talk to me when I thought I was really unkempt. I am in my last year of college and sometimes I go to class without showering or wearing my "go-to" clothes, instead wearing stuff that I might wear at home. I also have messy hair and stubble. In this case, girls seem to walk to talk me me much more than usual, is there a reason why? Would love to hear your opinion on this!! Thanks!!

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Unkempt

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Hey Richard,

Yeah, it's an interesting one, huh?

On stubble, check out this article:

Facial Hair Styles to Make You Look Cool Sharp and Sexy

... there's actually research in there about what women find attractive stubble-wise. The theory is, a male looks older and more testosterone-fueled and dominant with facial hair (facial hair's largely a product of testosterone - so, a clean shaven man looks boyish, while a stubbled or bearded one looks like a powerful, sexual man).

On messy hair, it's essentially that the guy didn't have time to spend a lot of time styling it. I'm not sure if this is inborn or cultural; it's probably cultural. If your hair is neat and perfectly done, it looks like you have a lot of free time and you're trying very hard to look good. If it's messy, not so much. There may also be a subtle sexual cue... look at your hair after sex sometime, and it's probably about as sexy as it'll get. Look at a girl's after sex, and you'll notice it's a wild mane of really sexy-looking hair as well. Wild hair may be a sexual cue that announces, "I am sexually active," which can serve as an invitation (in the case of women's wild hair) or an announcement of being preselected by women (in the case of a man's wild hair).

On showering - I've got a post coming up on colognes, scents, and body odor, and you should find some answers on that one in there. Keep tuning in...

Chase

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I was laughing all the way


I was laughing all the way through the article thinking TR/EX = tyrannosaurus rex, and then you mentioned it, I was like ahh he did it on purpose!
I feel this is really accurate though, I was thinking the other day what it was that made me like the more strong independant girls, so its pretty ironic you've put up a post all about it. also explains why I keep my distance from the TR/IN, it seems like they're tri'n' (trying) too hard too be commanding without actually 'being' commanding. however, just leave them alone for a while and they turn into great people :)
I love these types of personality things, Its like the MBTI! I wonder if the two of these could be linked somehow...
What are your thoughts of men who are FT/EX, i can imagine that not many men make it to that stage, as they start off as FT/IN Which (telling you from experience) is possibly the worst thing for a man in terms of seduction. I got 'lucky' in that i knew a lot of cool people and travelled a lot so I had pretty solid ground to practice. not sure if the same could be said for all men though.
I think its great what your teaching, you clearly put a lot of work into this site and I hope it pays off soon ;)

Good luck
John

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FT/EX Men

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John-

Thanks! I hope so too... ;)

Thoughts on men who are FT/EX - well, depends what kinds of thoughts you mean, but personally, I like them! They make great, solid, loyal employees, friends, and partners - you don't need to spend much time coaching them on whatever it is they need to do, you can just throw them at things and trust them to do a good job. They're a lot less likely to peel off and go do their own things and you have to train someone else later too, because they like security, and if they can find somewhere that they feel secure and satisfied and they're getting their needs met, they're generally content.

In terms of whom you date, a TR/EX girl will make you feel alive, while an FT/IN girl makes you feel warm and fuzzy. Which one you prefer probably depends on where you're at with your life... e.g., if everything's going great and you're in need of some adventure, you'll probably lean TR/EX. If things are bumpier and you'd like some tranquility and peace, you'll prefer FT/IN. But, when things change, so will your preferences... though, I guess that's life, huh?

Chase

Anonymous's picture

being TR/IN


love active girls, who show lack of bitterness and that I can spend time with without worrying about saying something wrong. These articles are amazing, I've read most of them and I'm so glad I found this site it lead me to acknowledge girls so much further and be like an expert in the signs that girls show. Anyway so I'll be looking for TR/EX and FT/IN and see what will come of it

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Re: being TR/IN

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Glad to hear it, Anon! Hopefully the TR/EX and FT/IN descriptions help you target those active girls better and snag them more easily... :)

Chase

ASky's picture

A summary well done


Good job :-)

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