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What's Better: Day Game or Night Game?

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day game vs. night game
Which is the better style of game for you: day game, or night game? Each has its perks, but which you prefer depends on what you want.

It’s the age-old seduction question: day game or night game?

Guys have debated the merits of both for as long as they’ve discussed game. Some guys are in the middle. Yet there are plenty of fervent devotees of each branch, who insist their style of game is superior.

I got my own start as an inveterate night gamer. It wasn’t until 3 or 4 years in I started to do more day game (more than the smattering of “here and there” I’d done before). I’ve gotten to see both sides, and everything in between, and have since run game in pretty much all kinds of scenarios.

Both daytime and nighttime have clear perks in the “meet girls” department. Which time of day you prefer is going to come down to which perks appeal to you more.

To help you pick, I’ve compared day game and night game across seven (7) distinct dimensions, so you can see exactly how each stacks up against the other.

So, let’s compare!

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Lawliet's picture

Hey Chase,

Great analysis on day and night game :)

Re: Separate bill
When we aren't in a server restaurant but instead fast food or such where you pay before you eat, how should you make it so you don't pay for her too but in a socially adept way? Sometimes servers will ask "Together or separate" before printing the bill. How would you avoid paying for her there?

I usually say separate when the cashier asks me. And that's it. I thought of letting her go first so she gets asked but not sure about that idea.

Re: Act with class & getting your way in social or romance
Being in control essentially... in a social situation vs. in a romantic situation

One of the things I admire about you Chase, is your intuition with class in social scenarios and how you handle them. My friends most aren't with the same "elegance" as I aim to be. I encountered a couple scenarios and hope to get some insight from you. It'll help lots for me to get the gist of it :).

Surely I can't and won't name every single one in my life as you won't have that time to follow me around of course, neither is it fun to. But I'll share one.

I was carpooling with friends and I wanted to turn on the radio, so I gave suggestion.
Another friend shouts, "Don't turn it on! Don't turn it on!"
It made me feel, yes he got what he wanted but it didn't come off classy.
It felt inelegant and since my goal is to be a high value man, I aim to do it with more elegance.
But no model in my life to model after.
So I ask you, yes "how to get what you want?"
But also, how to get it elegantly?

Re: Getting what you want,, socially vs. romance
Now I know it's different social vs. with girls.
With friends, you want to establish equal standing, but what they framed themselves as more superior?
Sometimes people older and they have a different tone.
What do you do as a high value man with friends?

I have a lot to learn from you!
It still stings me when a friend barks a command at me. If it's a cooperative task (ex. Grab the flashlight), fair enough. But still...

There's more from that one carpooling with those friends, but the above is already a lot to cover.
I'll save it for the next one.

Thanks Chase and happy valentines!
Lawliet

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Lawliet-

Like so:

Server: Together or separate?

You: Can you bring us two bills and we'll figure it out in the end?

Of course, you know, by the time they bring you two bills, you each have your own bill, and path of least resistance is for each to pay his own way.

But by using the non-committal request up front, you dodge having to decide up front and leave it ambiguous, even as you arrange things to make separate payments the most natural, fluid thing for you both to do.

Radio - pick your battles. I really don't care about listening to the radio or things like this, so I will tend to let other people turn this on or not, depending on their own preferences. But if, say, it's really hot, and I want the AC on, I'm going to frame the request in a way that isn't easily denied: "Hey, can we turn this AC on? It's like the surface of the sun in here." If I wanted music for whatever reason, I'd use the same kind of argument: "Can we get some music in here? This car ride is like a graveyard right now."

At that point, a guy trying to override you with nonsense loses if you just enforce your argument. The other thing you can do is just do it yourself / give commands:

You: Jack, will you turn the radio on? All I hear is road noise and Phil's breathing and it's driving me nuts.

Phil: Don't turn it on! Don't turn it on!

Jack: Uh...

You: Turn it to WFM3. They've got their commercial-free block running right now.

Jack: Okay.

As for friends framing themselves as superior, my recommendation is if they're anything other than awesome, drop them. Too annoying to have to deal with. If they actually are awesome, then either a.) it's fine to be in the apprentice role if they are better at you than key things you've more or less apprenticed yourself to them for, or b.) if it's more that they're great, but equals, then humor with a, "Yeah, sure man!" wink and smile whenever they're showboating, and otherwise shrug it off as a personality quirk (odds are they do it to everyone).

Chase

uForia's picture

It would be helpful to have pictures when you mention "genuinely beautiful" women in day game versus the "made-up, sexy, hot" women in night game. I'm not quite sure what to picture, do you mean genuinely beautiful as in women that look pretty even without sexy clothing and vice versa for the night game? Again, pictures would be nice, thanks.

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uForia-

Here's an example of makeup in action:

madeup girl

On the left, you've got a pretty ordinary looking girl. Nothing special about her lookswise; she's right in the middle of the pack. On the right you've got a girl most guys would agree is pretty darn hot... slap her in a sequined dress with a plunging neckline and a high hem (i.e., lots of boobs and legs on display) and every guy in the club will be beating the next guy with a 6" metal pipe to try and get this girl.

A genuinely beautiful woman looks more like the girl on the right... without makeup. Lips won't be as glossy and eyes won't have that same eyeliner contrast, but you can find girls who look more or less this way without the makeup.

Anyway, I plan on doing a makeup-no-makeup article at some point in the not-so-distant future. Will have a lot more examples in there when I do that. Some examples of how clothes impact rating in this article, too:

Chase

Jack's picture

Great compare & contrast analysis Chase.

For me the comparison between genuinely beautiful day game women versus made-up, sexy, hot & sultry nightclub girls illustrates the point that facial good looks are not a must-have for guys looking to meet quality women.

I have long noticed that girls of average or even below average faces can be viewed as super hot because those girls put in the work to get their fundamentals down. They got slim, dress themselves in clothes that fit, learned how to carry themselves well and exude sexiness . . . all things we as men can do with or without George Clooney looks.

It seems we as guys can do the same as the nightclub girls and bump up our attractiveness considerably with good fundamentals regardless of our levels of facial good looks.

Jack

Mr. b's picture

Hey Chase,

I find it SO MUCH easier to approach during the day as I find girls during the day to be much more "taken back" by the approach.

I find that a lot of what most guys fear, I can do relatively easy, but when when I go out at night I feel like I'm way lost and nervous. Seeing as you've worked with lots of guys, what would you say is going on in my head?

I recall you writing, "it takes a rare kind of guy to start gaming out of his circle"... I'm that guy.

Gaming anyone I know / gaming anyone while people I know are around or possibly around, I freeze up.

Thanks,

Mr. B

PS: I think I'm close to a breakthrough that's been holding me back the last couple of years, but after trying to analyze (I've analyzed it ALL), I'm find that understanding the core issue is even further out of reach. I'd love to hear your thoughts.

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Mr. B-

Sounds like you're in a good place. There's still going to be an adjustment period to nighttime if you're used to day. Nightlife venues are stimulus-heavy; loud music, darkness, strobe lights, drunk people, everyone crammed together like a sardine can. Women dressed up with hair, clothes, and makeup for maximum visual effect. Guys showboating and acting big and bad (or rich and powerful). Plus everything from staff to layout designed to make the environment hierarchical in the biggest clubs. Takes a while to be able to see the room.

Mostly this is conditioning. As you spend more time in nightlife venues the stimulation paralysis fades away and you'll be more comfortable in them. Particularly once you do approaches and everything turns out to be pretty normal.

With people you know around, better to focus on flirting. Probably don't cold approach girls in front of folks you know (unless it's a really chill circle). But flirting in front of folks you know is well worth getting comfortable with. Others will just see you as a flirt, which isn't a bad image to have. Often there are ways to grab a girl's contact info without your friends seeing. Even if they see you take a few girls' contact info though... probably not the end of the world, right? ;) This is another one you'll just have to get a little comfortable with, through doing it / exposure.

As for the core issue, it sounds like you're fearful of people viewing you as a sexual man. If others see you in public it's fine because they're strangers. But nightlife, who knows who's watching (maybe friends?), and with social circle, they'll definitely be watching. I'd suggest the breakthrough will be a switch from "I'd better not let people see me be sexual" to "I can't wait to let these guys and gals see how much chicks dig me."

Chase

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"I can't wait to let these
guys and gals see how much chicks dig me."

...and some more exposure...

Thanks ;)

Btw, I've been speed reading Casanova's book (your recommendation on another comment)... very interesting man. Will hand it to my future son one day.

Mr. B

patternRecognition's picture

Hey Chase,

interesting to read about the number/date ratio in night vs. day game. I have taken about a 100 numbers from daygame over the past 2 years and so many of these have never texted me back, i think i got maybe 20 dates from these 100 numbers. So about 4/5 of all numbers i take are worthless, seems a bit high to me, is this average? It always confused me, why would a girl give me her number, when she isn't interested in hearing from me again? My interactions are relatively short, no longer than 5 minutes usually, as this is what is advised in one of the older articles and as you pointed out there is often time pressure during the day. I wonder if short interaction time could be an issue (on the other hand i talked to girls for 10 minutes and more without any noticeable difference in outcome, but i do this rarely, so not enough data on that). With some girls i later found out they had a boyfriend, so they probably gave me their number and then got cold feet, wondering what they were thinking. But I don't think that makes up for most of the numbers that go bad. Or maybe these numbers were bad in the first place and i just got them out of politeness? But from my experience girls who are not interested either give you a wrong number (happens very rarely), or they just plain say that they're not interested. I don't think the text i send them is the prolem, as i usually just tell them to save my number if they didn't already (a few hours after we met) and otherwise just ask what they got going on the next days and if they want to grab a drink or coffee (this is send the next day). It's so draining to spend all this time outside for hours, waiting for a girl that you like the looks of and also gives you her number and then it's all for nothing most of the time. Any similar experience with this or ideas on how to troubleshoot?

Thanks,
#patternRecognition

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PR-

Somewhat depends on style, but an 80% worthless number rate is very high, yes. Even if you're doing nothing but extremely aggressive street stops, you should be seeing at least 50% of girls respond to your calls/texts if you make a good, attractive, memorable first impression. And if you're doing less aggressive approaches than this, it should be higher still.

One of two things is the issue here:

  • You're going for numbers too soon
  • You're not making a good impression

"Too soon" is relative to the impression you make. You could go for her number in 30 or 40 seconds if there is instant, immediate chemistry, and there's otherwise a compelling reason why you'd need to take it this fast and move on (say she's getting off the train). All I mean by this is going for the number before she's likely to be interested in meeting back up with you again. Reach the hook point first, then go for the number.

Not making a good impression means you're coming across too jarring, too scary, too unattractive, too [something not good], and not attractive enough. This is a mixture of game (you're doing/saying the wrong stuff or not doing/saying the right stuff) and fundamentals (you're not coming off as an attractive-enough guy).

5 minutes should be enough to not have 80% rubbish numbers if you're good on everything else, so your problem, I can say with high confidence, is you're not hitting the right notes on approach.

I'd do two things:

  1. Reevaluate all your fundamentals, especially hair style, facial hair style, fashion, body language, facial expressions, and voice, and look for some dramatic (and sexy) adjustments you can make

  2. Reevaluate the approach you're using right now and look for ways to make it pop more. Could be more playful banter, could be more compliance right up front, could be moving girls soon into meeting them, could be going for instant dates instead of phone numbers more. Look for places you can throw curve balls into your existing process to try to find something that works better. Once an approach clicks and gets you better results, it'll help clear up for you what was missing and what you needed to do different

Ideally, you get tight/sexy enough fundamentals and solid enough game that girls get very excited when you meet them and you have a 'good number rate' of 50%+. But you'll have to do some tweaking to get there, considering where you're at now.

Chase

patternRecognition's picture

Thanks Chase,

i should have noted that more than 20 % of girls text back, could be around 50 %, the 20 % is my number to date ratio, that means many girls text back, but i can't get them out on a date, even if this is the reason we swapped numbers in the first place (i never ask for the number without asking for a date first).

That noted, i think i usually do what could be considered aggressive street stops, which in my case means that most of the time i do not wait for any signs of interest, i just approach right away, because often enough she just doesn't see me in the first place and also if there's public transportation nearby she could be gone in the blink of an eye if you don't act fast.

Cecking your fundamentels is always a good thing, but i do have success with very beautiful women and many women do get excited on approach, so i think my fundamentals are in place. I guess the fact that i get numbers of women with boyfriends is also a testament to this. But I do have a problem with attainability, girls that i consider cute but not really a stunner tend to look at me more sceptically than the ones i really dig, maybe that could already be a problem when going for the number?

On the other hand, the last girl that wasn't responsive after the NC i did find very pretty and she seemed to be excited on approach. She started asking me questions and when we agreed to go out for a drink sometime and swapped numbers she said she was looking forward to it. So either she was a damn good liar or she was too nervous to meet me again, or her friends told her not to meet me or she met someone else in the meantime (or she had a boyfriend). Oh man, I don't know, many possibilities, very confusing.

In addition to that i noticed that girls text back more often if i DON'T have a good picture in my messenger app, i have professional pictures due to my work that i sometimes put in there, maybe a bit overkill for girls with less confidence?

I also noticed that younger girls tend to be more insecure and if you do daygame, you run into these a lot. A good amount of numbers that turned out useless where from younger girls, maybe i should stop taking them (on the other hand there's always a certain percentage that responds well, so i think i'll keep taking my chances).

Instant dates are not a good option for me, because of bad logistics, i did manage to pull of a handful, but way too much walking to get them to a spot close to my place from where i meet them most of the time.

Now waiting for the hookpoint could be something to work on indeed, i tend to go for number grabs a little soon sometimes, even if they're not all over me.

#patternRecognition

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