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How to Decipher Female Subcommunication, Part 2

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Joseph W. South's picture

In the last segment of the Practical Female Psychology series, we discussed how and why females developed the language of Subcommunication and how it gets used by women today.

We learned how women are often Ambivalent; that is, a woman will communicate in such a way so as to cause confusion in the male mind, make sure she keeps her options open, and attract resources and romantic affection from as many avenues as possible without crossing the line into social ostracism, where she risks getting labeled a “slut”.

We also learned how the men who best succeed with women understand this secret female language, and in turn have learned the art of Discretion, which is basically a conspiracy to allow females to operate in that certain way without any hindrance.

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Today we’ll discuss Subcommunication as it relates to the dangers and opportunities surrounding dating in the workplace; why no matter how much you learn about females, you still want to talk like a man does; and some more practical tips for mastering the fine art of interacting with females.

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Anonymous's picture

This article would have been better if you gave examples

Anonymous's picture

Now if only I could decipher Joseph W. South's writing maybe I'd have something for real! But seriously though this article makes no sense. Maybe some examples would've helped? Of like what does female subcommunication look like and how can I practice it as a man?

Luke V.'s picture

This article is very vague and touches on abstract notions that cannot be simply understood without inside experience. You only talk about the advantages of using "Womanes" but never properly define it. I would understand this language as "implying sexual conntation or underlying sexual tone without directly communiting it to her", which women do thoroughly enjoy. More examples and proper definition would have hepled this article more.

Anonymous's picture

yes Luke, the article does seem vague but that would be only to those who don't know or have little or no experience.

As for me I understood this really easily. Looking forward to the next in series.

Luke V.'s picture

I think bedding around 2 or 3 women consistently each week qualifies me as experienced, yet this article circles around concepts.

If you are so confident, then care to explain what the "two identities" are in this article (Masculine and Feminine side)? To my understanding , the masculine side is being assertive and blunt (graciously) while feminie side is tunning into women's subcommunication, hence balance between the two being crucial for long term success.

Anonymous's picture

Hmm, strange I m really tired right now reading this in a secondary language and found it easy to read and relate to. Guess I got some reference points allready. I like your style a lot.

Anonymous's picture

Hey man I like the article but could you add in some conversations examples of what this looks like. Also examples on when to go more masculine in conversation and when to go more feminine would help a lot, thanks!

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Joseph W. South's picture

Hey guys, here's one personal example:

"In my own life, I recall many times in my AFC days when my girlfriend would tell me about some “creepy guy at work”, or some other male acquaintance that she found “annoying”. These were clear examples of ambivalence, where on the one hand I got the impression she disliked the guy, but on the other hand I felt some jealousy! It made no sense to me at the time. Essentially the message was this: “I may or may not be attracted to this guy, and you will never know! You had better pay close attention to me, because I’m worth it!”

I'm not sure what you're having trouble understanding, but if you want to ask me a specific question about anything I am more than happy to answer it. Also I believe if you read the previous article in this series, it will help you understand the terms better.

Thank you.

Anonymous's picture

This article and many articles before it speaks to me a ton of informative information about women. Therefore... I did plan to write a novel about a woman as the main character but I'm really having a lot of 2nd thoughts. It is the matter of can I write realistically about a woman even if I'm not a woman myself. Can women/men look up to this woman I've created for inspiration, since women are Subcommunicative creatures. Can a woman even be a leader and can charge into enemy territory like the famous Joan of Arc. Or is my female character is revolved around sexual appeal for all eternity. Would like some feedback, I had planned the plot within my mind for a long while now.

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Joseph W. South's picture

Hey man, I think this is a fantastic idea if that's your passion!

Reporter: How do you write women so well?

Melvin Udall: I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability

– As Good as it Gets starring Jack Nicholson

That line was intended as bitter humour, but there is a lot of truth to that!

It is a topic I am interested in answering questions on, because I think once you can understand female subcommunication you can write about anything.

In order for me to thoroughly explain this to you, I must go into a lot of detail about tone of voice, context and body language. On that note, that is how female romance novels are written - from our perspective a lot of tedious detail resulting in the conclusion "yeah they're going to fuck". But if you can get through a romance novel you will see it is ALL subcommunication.

For example my favourite bartender will make sexual eye contact with me and if she mentions her boyfriend in an offhand way, she is looking at my face for permission to not be judged, for me to SEE her sexuality and not judge her adversely for it. And when you acknowledge this and can see her in that moment, there is a sexual electricity in the air, and you can BOTH feel it. You know that she knows that you know and so on.

So here's an example: my favourite female bartender might say to me: "My boyfriend likes to watch a lot of sports"

This phrase can mean:
I love him and I love to talk about him
He is boring and never wants to fuck me anymore
I am trying to make you jealous
I am trying to make my female coworker jealous
I am letting you know that I think it's ok that you watch sports too
I wonder if I could make you two guys have a fist fight and get thrown out of the bar
I am glad my boyfriend gets distracted long enough for me to watch porn/cheat/watch Oprah/eat ice cream/waste time on Facebook

I have experienced all of the above, with the same woman, and on both sides of the boyfriend/lover divide, and even on the same day or in the same conversation LOL

To be continued....

Anonymous's picture

Thanks for the support :)

The main theme about my story would be the female lead traveling from place-to-place to achieve goals along the way. Quite like treasure hunting, but not quite like treasure hunting. So... here's my problem, I originally planned to make the protagonist female as I feel it would be a refresher and quite interesting. However the more I think about it, the more I figured it would be better to have a male lead instead. If I removed reason and accountability, then having a female lead wouldn't make sense for the plot I had planned. Except I "do" want to make it happen, something like making a script so bizarre that you can't believe it flows... but it flows.

Can women be leaders basically, is what this novel seems to be revolved around.

Anonymous's picture

Before moving on to the next topic in this series, I strong recommend you do a How to Decipher Female Subcommunication, Part 2.5 with more concrete examples of some of the concepts that you discussed. Example dialogue!

For example you say: "you interpret what she says and put it through a Subcommunication Filter, as it were."
How to do this? What's the process to this effectively w/o misreading what she's saying/doing? What are some of the common things women/say sub-communicate that men should be on the lookout (BOLO) for?

You also say: "At times you will want to talk to women in a very masculine way, which means directly, succinctly, and logically. At other times, you will want to talk to women in the same manner that a female friend might."
What's an example dialogue that reflects this dynamic? Why does alternating between direct/indirect conversation arouse some women? Are we talking about saying one thing

Also you say: "You need to learn how to talk Womanese while at the same time keeping your focus on your masculine attitude. If you leave out the art of speaking in Womanese, you run the risk of becoming a cold, distant, and boring person in her eyes."
What's "Womanese? What does it look like and how to speak it/decipher it? Can you please provide example dialogue in which an abstract idea (like say a a person is attracted to another person, or wants to be in his/her company or whatever). How would that idea be conveyed in Womanese vs Manese? Consider including examples of other abstract ideas and the difference in how things are conveyed. What about during times of drama when a woman is behaving bad/illogical/not taking responsibility for her role etc. Is this a time to use Womanese and Manese?

You also say look for hidden sexual meaning in things women say. But even if you pick up on the hidden sexual meaning, particularly in the work place, how should a man best respond? Example dialogue please.

And to what extent do these examples of subcommunication and how to communicate with women and speak Womanese apply depending on ethnic background, location (i.e. city, country, etc?) And even within cities a venue on the street may require one kind of communication vs one-on-one like at work or at a bar, etc.

For example, regarding race: the style of "Womanese" of the typical white woman is different to that of the typical black American woman. Alot of black women aren't as subtle in their communication style, and directness and bold, blunt, brash, mixed with wit/humor works well with alot of them...but some white girls may be too intimidated by this and need a softer touch. What about Womenese when dealing with Hispanic women or American Asian women? What about Brazillian women or Far-east Asian women? Northern European women? What's the low-hanging fruit that men should keep in mind?

Also the geographic location where women are at makes a big difference too. Some of the rap songs from the 90's bears this out, for example Biggie Smalls' "One More Chance" where he says he doesn't chase 'em he replaces 'em shows the cold, aloof, ruthless bad-boy approach of males in urban centers like New York or Sao Paulo, which actually works wonders with some women. But this approach would be overkill in a small town community where women aren't as used to being approached by random men, particularly on the street.

There are different Dialects of Womanese, and a man must be well-versed in the dialect of his target population.

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Joseph W. South's picture

Hey man, lot of great questions here. I will write that article and with your blessing I am going to incorporate your questions into the prose of the article. It won't be in Q&A formnat but I will do my best to answer all of your question. I will also address your mention of cultural differences because I think that is an important point. Cool?

Anonymous's picture

Yeah I was confused..do you have any other examples?

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Joseph W. South's picture

A lot of great questions there and I see there is a need for a follow up article with more conversational examples.

Can you tell me before I write it – DID YOU read the two articles that preceded this one? Let me know if you need to read those first and whether your need for clarification changes. Here they are:

http://www.girlschase.com/content/female-basic-conflict-understanding-wo...

http://www.girlschase.com/content/how-decipher-female-subcommunication

Thank you.

mb1's picture

The book is incredible.

Jimbo's picture

That's one of the most interesting articles I've read lately.

I have one question though. You said:

Why do you need to alternate between two styles of conversation [masculine and feminine]? Because when it comes to the modern woman, she will alternate between preferring one style or the other, depending on the circumstances.

So in what circumstances does a woman prefer the masculine style and when does she prefer the feminine one?

Thanks

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Joseph W. South's picture

It really depends on what mood she's in, but remember, you should pace (match where she's currently at) and then lead (take her where you want her to go).

For example making sexually suggestive non-sequitur jokes, alternated by commands. She might say "damn it's hot in here", you reply, "that's what she said!" (feminine, non sequitur, funny with correct delivery), immediately followed by a stern "come sit over here!" (masculine command). If done smoothly, this will make her very horny, very fast.

Tease her mind with feminine conversation, and direct her body with masculine commands, is a winning formula.

In general and in the context of relationship, use feminine conversation when having fun, having sex (except that you should command her body as described above), when at social events, etc. Use masculine conversation when discussing plans, logistics, finances; anything that requires logical input and output. Be careful you're not seeking her approval when using masculine "logic"! This manifests itself as *justifying* your course of action in hopes of gaining her consent, as opposed to saying "here's what we are going to to and why" (assertive) or "I believe this is the correct course of action but I want to hear your feedback and then I will decide" (collaborative but still assertive - think Donald Trump on The Apprentice).

Jimbo's picture

Perfect response. Thanks again.

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