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Frost

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Hello everyone,

It's been a while since the last time I've posted here, and I actually have been lagging behind in my game as well for a lot of reasons, primarily the weather, lack of momentum and school that's taking too much of my time.

I'm gonna tell you about what happened last night at a party, and how I lost the girl I was talking to.


Context and Intro

I've been in Paris for about 8 months now, and the biggest student association (which I'm part of) in the school I'm in hosts open bar parties every now and then. Last night was one of those times, and being in the association I had a shift on the shots bar from 1am till 2am.

I get to the party at around 11pm, I chill with my friends a bit, then grab a beer. While getting away from the bar I spot a group of friends, all foreigners like me, including a German guy I know, who had brought a girl with him (I know because I put her on the entry list). The girl was in the group as well, but not talking to him, rather chatting with another guy. So I go in, say hello to everyone and introduce myself to the girl. She seems like she doesn't speak French very well, so I ask her about it and it turns out she's American. Great I can speak freely in English now. I keep chatting with her, the other guy she was talking with falls back and, I separate her from the group after a bit, seeing that we have our "bubble" built up. I asked her if she came with the German guy and she said yes, but didn't talk much about that. For the record, the German guy kind of embodies the stereotype of German people who are very serious and almost robot-like, so I was having a hard time imagining him with a date to begin with.

The Conversation

After splitting her from the group we kept the conversation going. Honestly it's one of the rare times where the conversation flowed very easily with almost no effort. There were certainly silences where I didn't know what to say, but then I would ask her about her experience in Paris or something similar and that would drag on for a bit. I moved her quite a bit, from inside to outside to back inside. I had social proof on my side, people would pass and say hello to me. At one point 2 of my Lebanese friends came and talked to me for a few seconds giving me more social proof. Since I'm in the student association I simply went behind the bar and refilled my beer which adds more to it as well.

What I lacked on the other hand was the sexual vibe. It was fun and everything, and the eye contact was really strong but the interaction was not very sexual. I did a bit of incidental touching, high fives and so on, and she seemed pretty comfortable with it, but I didn't escalate much further (no idea why). And the alcohol actually hit me harder and faster than I expected, probably because I hadn't eaten beforehand. Now that I think about it I could have also opened a sexual topic, the transition wouldn't have been very difficult.

At one point we were talking inside, the German guy comes to us and he tells her that they are dancing inside if she wants to join them. She says okay and turns back to me.

How To Lose Your Girl

This is the interesting part, and frankly my main motivation for writing this post. Sometimes, no matter what we do, something is gonna go awry, and you can't do anything about it.

As we continued to talk, I look at my watch; it's almost 1pm, time for my shift. I tell her that I have my shift till 2pm, and I ask her if she's still gonna be there. She says probably yes, and that she didn't have a plan, so she'll stay for as long she wants. I tell her to come with me to the bar so that I make us 2 shots. When I get there, I start prepping the shots, a guy who was ordering some asks her if she wants to drink with them, she was like what? and then the guy says you said yes come on. So I make the shots, I look up, she was gone with that guy. Yep that fast. I was caught off guard at first but then I realized that this is how it goes in parties.

Long story short, I end up going to the other bar to help serving cocktails and beer, and she comes to the bar with the guy and asks me for a gin tonic. Afterwards I saw her with the German guy again but doesn't really matter to the story anymore.


Conclusion

I guess the lesson here is don't let anything sabotage your pickup. There are a lot of articles about how to deal with potential cockblocks, whether it's your friends, hers or any person who decides to tag along. Moving fast is also a good thing to do. But as you've seen in this story, sometimes there are circumstances out of our control that can fuck things up.

The lessons I learned for myself is that I need to get back in the game after this period of inactivity and build my momentum back up. I also have to be more sexual, verbally and non-verbally, and calibrate my vibe to the situation.
 

andersen09

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkRDzqZOGFc

This scene goes perfectly with the scenario you're talking about.
You have to understand a girl is only going to give you a certain time limit before she goes away.

In order to stand think of it like this.

On a larger scale of women psychology, her prime ages are 18-24, maybe 25, 26. So she only has a certain time limit of years to reproduce with the BEST GUY possible hence she starts looking for a guy with those characteristics and doesn't waste time.
(I.E Doesn't waste time, moves things forward fast, knows why he's interacting with her)

So on a smaller scale likea bar scenario, every girl comes out to 'socialize' but the truth is, she's looking for a guy she can fuck whether subconsciously or consciously. NO MATTER what she says, if it's a right guy, she'll go with him 100%. Why? Because she's placed herself in a situation that opens her up to the possibility.

The right guy now comes down to what accomplishes her goal on a larger scale - the best guy she can mate with. Which in a bar scenario, is the best guy within her IMMEDIATE surrounding.

With that understanding, you had ENHANCEMENTS, that gives you MORE rights to move things faster than say had you not.

(Social Proof, Authority, Being fun, Social) They are GREAT to have. BUT they only SERVE as an ENHANCE FACTOR, not the seduction itself. Such as good looks, personality, and so on. You could have all the social proof in the world, but if a guy with a legit game came in, he would destroy anyone with social proof who's unsure of himself.

DOMINANCE & GAME > ALL OTHER FACTORS

And that's exactly what happened.
When she was with you, she wasn't sure if you were just being friendly or wanted to get with her, because you yourself sounded like you weren't sure what you wanted to do with her right than and there. At best "lets hang around and see how she responds and how this goes"

So when a guy came in who did know what he wanted to do, she left with him
"You want a drink?" "What?" "That means yes, come on" = Conveys - Dominance, Strong, assurance, direction.
ALIGNS WITH WHAT SHES LOOKING FOR. (Even in that short moment)

And thats what his FIRST IMPRESSION conveyed, just like the video.

Your social proof is great. Keep doing that. But it's only there to increase your percentage to a girl being MORE open to your advances and knowing you're not a creeper/threat. Itself won't seduce the girl for you.

Game trumps all.
Dominance trumps all.

Hope that helps!
 

Frost

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Thank you andersen for your reply. I completely agree with you. I know I screwed up by not moving fast enough, but I also know that in my mind I knew that I couldn't do anything before my shift. I should ask for shifts earlier in the night, so that I would get the social proof when women see me behind the bar (maybe even throw some compliments to plant seeds for later), and then afterwards I can approach and be more at ease in moving forward.
 

andersen09

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Frost said:
Thank you andersen for your reply. I completely agree with you. I know I screwed up by not moving fast enough, but I also know that in my mind I knew that I couldn't do anything before my shift. I should ask for shifts earlier in the night, so that I would get the social proof when women see me behind the bar (maybe even throw some compliments to plant seeds for later), and then afterwards I can approach and be more at ease in moving forward.

If you're in a situation where you're disadvantageous, make it into a positive for you.

So if you knew you couldn't move her or do anything with her, build up the tension so that SHE wishes you weren't in the situation.
(Chase Framing/Seeds/Barriers)

General examples
Comfort Stage - "Too bad I'm working my shift, you seem like a cool girl I'd like to get to know"
Sexual Stage - "Too bad I'm working my shift and there's so many people.. there's so many things I'd do to you"

And so on. So if you're limited on what you could do, the next best option is to build tension and make HER want you.
Its better than looking lost or directionless. Because women don't go "Oh he's not leading, because he's working his shift"
They just judge you by what they see in front of them in the moment, so might as well make it work for you!


Hope this can serve you in your future!
 
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