Some background: I'm in my mid-30s. Tall enough and good-looking enough. Done thousands of approaches, gotten laid plenty, have fbs. I am charismatic when I want to be, screen hard, and lead. I know what I want. Women over 30 chase me, the 27-30 girls are easy with a lil effort, and 24-26 are a challenge but usually end up going down.
I live and work nearby two universities so I've been meeting and interacting with lots of girls in the 19-23 age range. From body language, etc its obvious that they are attracted to me. In setting up a "date" I keep it casual. After running into this issue the first few times I started giving them more hoops to jump through before the date since I was thinking that more compliance early on would lead to better compliance later and ultimately submission. Wrong.
So here's the thing. Meet. Exchange numbers. Text. Get them out. At this point there's attraction and compliance, and I've lead the interaction the whole way in terms of texting and setting up the meet. But I keep getting shut down at two points: 1) If I try to change venues, etc to somewhere more conducive to sex happening they agree at first but then say sorry I can't gotta do xxxx whatever OR 2) when physical escalation goes from light touching to she knows she's gonna get fucked. Its one thing to say "maybe she's not comfortable with escalation in public" and thats fine, but then she fights all attempts to go somewhere nonpublic.
Its like these girls have some internal frame that says she's the boss and I'm not, and no matter if I get compliance and them chasing me "I had so much fun, I want to see you again, you're hot, etc" they still snap right back to shutting the escalation down and refusing to let me lead.
I sense no guile or duplicity in them. When they say "I can't Logan, I have to be up at 6am tomorrow" they're not lying to me. Its like I get them in this emotional,turned on state (face and chest flushed bright red, change in breathing) and start the escalation but then they stop me dead in my tracks. Its different from LMR.
Also its different from the older girls playing hard-to-get. They have this twinkle in their eyes as they're shutting you down, and they are practically begging you to overcome their resistance (ASD). The young ones just give their reason/excuse for not complying in a completely frank, matter-of-fact tone of voice. Its outside of their reality that this would happen. I get it, some of you are thinking "Well if they are attracted to you and you are leading and escalating then they would submit, their emotions would overcome their logic and they would fuck you." While I understand that, I honestly don't know what else to do in these situations in the moment since I executed the fundamentals and I've done it hundreds of times.
So I have two ideas:
1. They need more *comfort* and time. This is all fine and good, and I've heard from some other playas that with the younger ones you just gotta Netflix and chill several times until one day she's horny enough that she says "lets fuck." The ones who want bfs have them, and the others seem to be busy with school, work and their gfs that men become an afterthought. They only hookup when drunk enough and horny enough AND the right guy is there. So basically sexy social circle boy. I am perfectly ok with slowing things down and not escalating hard but then she's basically leading, and now I have to get her out another time which involves texting, coordinating, etc. which as we all know can be challenging.
2. Alcohol. I hate to say it but its true. I've even had one or two have nicknames for their drunk selves and she's the one who hooks up, sober girl is a virgin lol. I don't enjoy drinking that much and don't like the rapey implications.
3. Get her chasing. I've tried the frames I know for making myself the prize and it hasn't worked so far. Maybe one of you know some sort of inceptscalation
Any thoughts or suggestions gentlemen?
I live and work nearby two universities so I've been meeting and interacting with lots of girls in the 19-23 age range. From body language, etc its obvious that they are attracted to me. In setting up a "date" I keep it casual. After running into this issue the first few times I started giving them more hoops to jump through before the date since I was thinking that more compliance early on would lead to better compliance later and ultimately submission. Wrong.
So here's the thing. Meet. Exchange numbers. Text. Get them out. At this point there's attraction and compliance, and I've lead the interaction the whole way in terms of texting and setting up the meet. But I keep getting shut down at two points: 1) If I try to change venues, etc to somewhere more conducive to sex happening they agree at first but then say sorry I can't gotta do xxxx whatever OR 2) when physical escalation goes from light touching to she knows she's gonna get fucked. Its one thing to say "maybe she's not comfortable with escalation in public" and thats fine, but then she fights all attempts to go somewhere nonpublic.
Its like these girls have some internal frame that says she's the boss and I'm not, and no matter if I get compliance and them chasing me "I had so much fun, I want to see you again, you're hot, etc" they still snap right back to shutting the escalation down and refusing to let me lead.
I sense no guile or duplicity in them. When they say "I can't Logan, I have to be up at 6am tomorrow" they're not lying to me. Its like I get them in this emotional,turned on state (face and chest flushed bright red, change in breathing) and start the escalation but then they stop me dead in my tracks. Its different from LMR.
Also its different from the older girls playing hard-to-get. They have this twinkle in their eyes as they're shutting you down, and they are practically begging you to overcome their resistance (ASD). The young ones just give their reason/excuse for not complying in a completely frank, matter-of-fact tone of voice. Its outside of their reality that this would happen. I get it, some of you are thinking "Well if they are attracted to you and you are leading and escalating then they would submit, their emotions would overcome their logic and they would fuck you." While I understand that, I honestly don't know what else to do in these situations in the moment since I executed the fundamentals and I've done it hundreds of times.
So I have two ideas:
1. They need more *comfort* and time. This is all fine and good, and I've heard from some other playas that with the younger ones you just gotta Netflix and chill several times until one day she's horny enough that she says "lets fuck." The ones who want bfs have them, and the others seem to be busy with school, work and their gfs that men become an afterthought. They only hookup when drunk enough and horny enough AND the right guy is there. So basically sexy social circle boy. I am perfectly ok with slowing things down and not escalating hard but then she's basically leading, and now I have to get her out another time which involves texting, coordinating, etc. which as we all know can be challenging.
2. Alcohol. I hate to say it but its true. I've even had one or two have nicknames for their drunk selves and she's the one who hooks up, sober girl is a virgin lol. I don't enjoy drinking that much and don't like the rapey implications.
3. Get her chasing. I've tried the frames I know for making myself the prize and it hasn't worked so far. Maybe one of you know some sort of inceptscalation
Any thoughts or suggestions gentlemen?